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[00:00] How do I know the difference between
[00:02] How do I know the difference between whether I have ADHD or I'm just
[00:05] whether I have ADHD or I'm just distracted because we're living in an
[00:07] distracted because we're living in an overwhelming time? Short attention span,
[00:09] overwhelming time? Short attention span, distractability, disorganization,
[00:11] distractability, disorganization, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They
[00:14] impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They can't sit still. Psychiatrist and
[00:17] can't sit still. Psychiatrist and clinical neuroscientist Dr. Daniel
[00:19] clinical neuroscientist Dr. Daniel Ammon. One pioneering psychiatrist says
[00:21] Ammon. One pioneering psychiatrist says that feeling better starts with
[00:23] that feeling better starts with understanding your brain. And 90% of
[00:26] understanding your brain. And 90% of mothers work outside the house. When
[00:29] mothers work outside the house. When they have untreated
[00:31] they have untreated ADD, they often look depressed and they
[00:34] ADD, they often look depressed and they get on something like Flexipro, which
[00:37] get on something like Flexipro, which actually makes them more ADD, happier,
[00:41] actually makes them more ADD, happier, but more distracted, happier, less
[00:44] but more distracted, happier, less focused, happier, more impulsive.
[00:47] focused, happier, more impulsive. You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy,
[00:51] You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of
[00:54] artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADB. No way.
[00:58] the kids lost their ADB. No way. Someone's sitting here thinking, "Well,
[00:59] Someone's sitting here thinking, "Well, I'm not going to achieve anything with
[01:00] I'm not going to achieve anything with my life because I've got ADHD.
[01:02] What would you say to them?
[01:06] The number one health and wellness podcast, J Shetty.
[01:08] J Shetty, the one, the only J Shetty.
[01:14] I want to start pretty direct.
[01:17] Why does it seem like everyone today has ADHD?
[01:21] A lot of people do, but our society is dramatically elevating it.
[01:25] When you think of the gadgets that steal our attention, the ultrarocessed foods that our brain really doesn't like, the chronic stress, it's like, what's the simple answer?
[01:47] And the simple answer is, let me medicate you.
[01:49] and you'll focus better, but not for long.
[01:54] And so, as our society has taken more medication, we have not
[02:01] taken more medication, we have not gotten healthier.
[02:04] So, I think for people who really have ADD or ADHD, and I use those terms interchangeably because the way we diagnose people, it used to be ADD and by a vote of people, they changed it to ADHD, which I think was actually a big mistake.
[02:23] It's always been there, right?
[02:25] You can actually look in the Old Testament and you go, "These people had ADD."
[02:30] The real ADD is genetic.
[02:33] You get it from your mom or dad.
[02:35] You can see it in your people.
[02:38] You can see it in your ancestors.
[02:41] And left untreated, they're very serious problems.
[02:45] So if I think somebody really has ADD and that medicine would help them, they always go, "What are the side effects?"
[02:52] Always tell them, "Your appetite will be less.
[02:55] Take it too late in the day, you may have trouble sleeping."
[03:00] Um, sometimes people get headaches or tummy aches.
[03:01] People get headaches or tummy aches.
[03:01] Those almost always go away.
[03:04] If you're prone to ticks, you may have more ticks.
[03:06] But I want them to ask the other question is what are the side effects of not taking appropriate treatment for ADD?
[03:15] And it's things like school failure and drug abuse and incarceration, divorce, bankruptcy.
[03:26] I'm so happy we're talking about it because this is a really serious issue because if you go to places like prison, there's a high percentage of people who have untreated ADD that did not have proper focus or impulse control.
[03:46] So would you say that is ADHD being overdiagnosed?
[03:49] I think it's overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed.
[03:54] overdiagnosed o overall because people see this as the simple answer.
[03:57] Underdiagnosed especially in people who
[04:04] Underdiagnosed especially in people who are not hyperactive.
[04:06] are not hyperactive or females.
[04:08] or females because we still have gender bias in this country.
[04:11] If you have a little boy and he's not doing well in school, you get really worried because you realize he's going to have to take care of her family someday.
[04:13] this country. If you have a little boy and he's not doing well in school, you
[04:16] get really worried because you realize he's going to have to take care of her
[04:18] he's going to have to take care of her family someday. for a girl if she's not doing as well.
[04:19] family someday. for a girl if she's not
[04:22] doing as well. Well, you think maybe she's not that smart and you hope she marries somebody nice, which is completely irrational given that we now have three generations of women who are in the workforce here in California.
[04:24] doing as well. Well, you think maybe she's not that smart and you hope she
[04:26] she's not that smart and you hope she marries somebody nice, which is
[04:28] marries somebody nice, which is completely irrational
[04:30] completely irrational given that we now have three generations
[04:35] given that we now have three generations of women who are in the workforce here in California.
[04:37] of women who are in the workforce here in California. 90% of mothers work
[04:40] in California. 90% of mothers work outside the house. And when they have
[04:45] outside the house. And when they have untreated
[04:47] untreated ADD,
[04:48] ADD, they often look depressed and they get on something like Lexapro on an SSRI,
[04:51] they often look depressed and they get on something like Lexapro on an SSRI,
[04:55] on something like Lexapro on an SSRI, which actually makes them more ADD, but
[04:59] which actually makes them more ADD, but now they don't care that they're more ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about
[05:02] now they don't care that they're more ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about
[05:05] ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about it, they counterbalance each other.
[05:08] So it, they counterbalance each other.
[05:11] So serotonin is the neurotransmitter of happiness of flexibility.
[05:15] Dopamine more the neurotransmitter focus motivation.
[05:20] motivation.
[05:22] Let's follow through and get this done.
[05:25] And when one goes up, so serotonin goes up, someone puts you on an SSRI, dopamine goes down.
[05:32] And so happier but more distracted.
[05:35] happier, less focused, happier, more impulsive.
[05:38] Yeah.
[05:40] And I think that's what so many people are feeling today where they naturally feel a sense of brain fog.
[05:45] They're overwhelmed with information.
[05:47] I was reading somewhere that we now consume 72 gigabytes of information per day which someone had translated to reading a 100,000 words every single day which when you think about that that is so overwhelming.
[06:04] So how do I know the
[06:07] overwhelming.
[06:07] So how do I know the difference between whether I have ADHD or I'm just distracted because we're living in an overwhelming time.
[06:14] So you look for patterns of behavior over time.
[06:20] So the hallmark features of ADD or ADHD, the first one is short attention span.
[06:25] It's really hard to focus, but not for everything.
[06:28] And this is what fools people.
[06:31] It's short attention span for regular routine everyday things, school work, homework, paperwork, chores.
[06:35] the things that make life work.
[06:40] And if you have a half an hour of homework, parents will often say it takes him or her two hours to do and I have to structure their time.
[06:44] That's very common.
[06:48] But for things that are new, novel, highly stimulating or frightening, people with ADD can pay
[07:09] or frightening, people with ADD can pay attention just fine because they have attention just fine because they have their own intrinsic dopamine.
[07:16] And what I find is love is a drug. Love is dopamine.
[07:23] So say you're getting all C's and D's except one A. and the A whether it's in history or whatever, it's because you love the teacher or you love the subject.
[07:35] But it's not this one thing we should be looking at. It's the pattern of your attention span over time.
[07:43] The second is they're easily distracted. And what that means is they see too much, they hear too much, they taste too much, they smell too much.
[07:54] So they're constantly distracted by the world coming at them.
[07:58] The brain is really good at suppressing unnecessary noises or unnecessary thoughts.
[08:08] But when you're preffrontal cortex, so we'll talk
[08:10] you're preffrontal cortex, so we'll talk about that.
[08:12] The front part of your brain, the front third of your brain, largest in humans than any other animal by far.
[08:21] When it's sleepy, it can't sort of suppress the noise.
[08:25] I grew up three houses from the freeway in Southern California and lots of noise, but I never heard it because my brain went, "Oh, you don't need to listen to that."
[08:37] So, it would suppress it.
[08:39] So, someone who has ADHD, can't suppress it.
[08:42] Interesting.
[08:45] And so, the world comes at them too much.
[08:48] And you you see it with the clothes they wear.
[08:51] They hate seams and they hate tags because their body feels it.
[08:54] So, I've been married twice.
[08:57] Both of my wives have ADD of one form or another.
[09:01] And the first time when I got married, I went, it's like right after I got married, I went to my closet to get a shirt and I noticed the tag was cut
[09:10] a shirt and I noticed the tag was cut out of my shirt.
[09:14] And I'm like, that's out of my shirt.
[09:15] And I'm like, that's weird.
[09:18] And then I looked at all of my shirts and all of the tags were out and I felt violated.
[09:21] And I went into the living room with the shirt and I'm like, "Why is my shirt missing the tag?"
[09:26] She goes, "Oh, don't you hate tags?
[09:29] Like, I hate tags.
[09:31] I thought you'd really like that I cut them all out for you."
[09:33] And I'm like, "I've never felt a tag in my life.
[09:36] Please don't damage my clothing."
[09:40] That's Yeah, that's fascinating to me.
[09:43] So, because I can relate to what you said, I'm very unaffected by outside noise and definitely my brain creates the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
[09:49] noise and definitely my brain creates the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
[09:53] the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
[09:54] does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
[09:56] environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
[09:58] internal if I'm focused on something.
[10:01] Now, does that mean that we're born with ADHD or can we train attention?
[10:03] Well, we can train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
[10:07] can train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
[10:10] train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
[10:14] talking about is what you're born with.
[10:17] What you see it in your mom, you see it in your dad.
[10:21] in your dad. I have, they told you my first wife had ADD, which means
[10:24] first wife had ADD, which means three of my children have it.
[10:28] three of my children have it. So, I know more about this than I want to.
[10:32] more about this than I want to. And if you think of distractability,
[10:34] you think of distractability, what does an orgasm require?
[10:37] what does an orgasm require? Focus.
[10:40] Focus. You have to pay attention to the feeling long enough
[10:43] feeling long enough in order to have an orgasm.
[10:46] in order to have an orgasm. And so if that becomes really hard, well, that's a
[10:49] that becomes really hard, well, that's a problem for both the person and their partner because their partner will like,
[10:52] partner because their partner will like, "Oh, she doesn't love me or I'm not enough."
[10:54] "Oh, she doesn't love me or I'm not enough." when it has nothing to do with that.
[10:57] enough." when it has nothing to do with that. It's just they're easily distracted.
[11:00] that. It's just they're easily distracted. People with sort of the real
[11:02] distracted. People with sort of the real ADD, they need white noise at night.
[11:05] ADD, they need white noise at night. And I'm like, it's the middle of winter.
[11:09] I'm like, it's the middle of winter. It's Washington DC. The fan is on.
[11:16] Like, why is the fan on?
[11:18] It's like, oh, I need the noise or I won't be able to sleep cuz I hear everything that's in the house.
[11:24] So, short attention span, not for everything.
[11:26] easily distracted, disorganized.
[11:29] So, it's hard for them.
[11:31] It's not natural for them.
[11:34] If you look at their rooms, their desks, their book bags, their filing cabinets, and time, they're often late.
[11:36] And I like to be early.
[11:40] I'm like, if I have if I have a flight, I'm there two hours early because my brain thinks of all the things that could go wrong on the way to the airport and the flight's important to me.
[11:45] People with ADD, it's last minute.
[11:50] Last minute.
[11:52] And I used to fight.
[11:54] I'm like, "No, we need to go."
[11:56] And and then I just started lying.
[11:58] It's like the flight is at noon.
[12:01] Uh when really it was at 1:00.
[12:04] And because her organization wasn't such, she didn't
[12:17] organization wasn't such, she didn't really catch on to how much of that is training.
[12:19] Like I feel like I grew up with a mom who is very meticulous with time.
[12:24] So my mom trained me to always believe that if you're not early, you're late.
[12:29] And so I also live in a world that you do, which is I'm always at the airport early.
[12:34] I'm always making sure of anything that could go wrong.
[12:36] Security could take a bit longer.
[12:38] There's so many other things that to me I've always felt came because I had a mom who was super organized and I've inherited that by watching her even now like my mom trained me how to make sure we locked all the doors at night and you know we didn't grow up in a really safe area so there was this very hyper attention to make sure so I'm very good at that and how could have been because her brain was busy in the front and she also gave that to you.
[13:10] Yeah. Right. So, some of it is training, but if she had ADD, she wouldn't give that to you and you would
[13:18] wouldn't give that to you and you would often be chronically stressed because
[13:21] often be chronically stressed because she wouldn't get you to school on time
[13:23] she wouldn't get you to school on time or she wouldn't be there on time to pick
[13:26] or she wouldn't be there on time to pick you up or it's really important you have
[13:30] you up or it's really important you have a soccer practice and you're late.
[13:33] a soccer practice and you're late. the the level of stress in ADD ADHD families
[13:38] the level of stress in ADD ADHD families is very high because of the
[13:42] is very high because of the distractability, the disorganization.
[13:45] distractability, the disorganization. And the fourth one is procrastination.
[13:48] And the fourth one is procrastination. They don't do things until someone's mad
[13:50] at them to get it done. They need stress
[13:54] in order to get stuff done. And that
[13:58] just makes everybody around them
[14:00] stressed. Uh, and it makes them stress
[14:03] because, you know, they're often late
[14:05] because they actually don't start
[14:06] getting ready until it's like, "Oh my
[14:08] god, I'm late." And then they always
[14:10] show up like either right on time,
[14:13] flustered, or 10 minutes late, always
[14:16] apologizing. And that's different from
[14:18] apologizing. And that's different from people who perform well under stress.
[14:20] people who perform well under stress. This is someone who needs stress in order to perform.
[14:23] In order to perform.
[14:24] Yeah. Right. If your child's struggling in school, make sure they're not taking their iPad to bed.
[14:29] So often it's because kids are sleepdeprived. They look like they have ADD because parents are really not properly supervising the kids.
[14:41] You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADD.
[14:52] No way. So the first thing is not let me give you this drug in my mind. The first thing is do a digital detox and do an elimination diet and do it for a month.
[15:06] Food is so important. If they really have ADD or ADHD, they're going to have it 3 months from now or four months from now.
[15:15] Let's do this and see because I think if someone
[15:20] and see because I think if someone really has ADD, withholding medicine is really has ADD, withholding medicine is like withholding glasses from someone who can't see.
[15:28] And that's neglect.
[15:31] When I first started imaging, it was on an ADD woman.
[15:34] So, I went into a lecture on brain spec imaging in my hospital in April 1991.
[15:39] And I walked out and I had a new patient.
[15:43] and her name was Sandy and she was 44 and she was beautiful and undermployed.
[15:48] She had an IQ of 144 and she was a lap tech and she was in the hospital because she had a suicide attempt the night before in an impulsive act when she and her husband had a fight.
[15:55] And I'm like, ADD, ADD, ADD.
[16:01] She had an 8-year-old son that had ADD.
[16:04] And I'm like, I think you have ADD.
[16:06] And she's like, oh, adults can't have it.
[16:08] And thinking to myself, but not saying it because I don't have ADD.
[16:11] It's like, I'm the doctor.
[16:12] Adults totally can have ADD.
[16:15] And I said, "Can I scan you?"
[16:18] Cuz
[16:22] ADD. And I said, "Can I scan you?"
[16:23] Cuz I've just learned about this new technology.
[16:26] And I scanned her twice.
[16:28] Once at rest, once when she did a concentration task.
[16:33] And when she tried to concentrate, the front part of her brain shut down rather than what it should have done was turn on.
[16:40] And I put the This is why I love imaging.
[16:42] I put the scans on her hospital table and I was explaining to them and she started to cry and she said, "You mean it's not my fault?"
[16:55] And that's the moment I got hooked on imaging cuz I already knew the diagnosis.
[16:59] She it immediately evaporated shame.
[17:03] And then she's like, "All right, let's talk about adult ADD."
[17:10] and she had all of the things including the impulse control issues, but because she was so bright, she didn't bring enough negative attention to herself and never gotten the help.
[17:24] the help. And after I treated her, she finished college.
[17:26] She stopped picking on her husband.
[17:29] Because another trait that a lot of people don't understand is they become negative seeking,
[17:34] conflict seeking, and excitement seeking.
[17:40] And those are all dopamined driven behavior.
[17:42] So if you have a low level of dopamine, well, if you pick a fight with someone, now all of a sudden there's some excitement going on.
[17:51] If you jump out of an airplane, that has a whole bunch of dopamine associated with it.
[17:56] But and I experienced this. It was that poking.
[18:00] It's like, we're going on vacation. Why are we having a problem?
[18:02] and activating their frontal loes, they're less negative.
[18:08] And I'm just publishing a study on negativity bias.
[18:11] So, I'm very interested in are you positive or are you negative?
[18:17] Now, unbridled positive thinking is a disaster. You die early.
[18:19] But negative thinking, you actually have low function
[18:26] thinking, you actually have low function in your frontal loes.
[18:31] And many of the in your frontal loes.
[18:34] And many of the ADD people I see tend to see the glass as half empty and that wears on them.
[18:39] So if we highlight the short attention span not for everything disorganization
[18:45] disorganization procrastination
[18:47] procrastination impulse control it's like the break in their brain is vulnerable
[18:54] and they say things often that you shouldn't say.
[18:59] It's like the inside voice gets out.
[19:01] They do things that it's like wish I hadn't done that.
[19:08] So they actually live with a lot of regret.
[19:14] And your preffrontal cortex is called the executive part of the brain because it's
[19:17] executive part of the brain because it's like the boss at work.
[19:20] It's involved in focus, forethought, judgment, impulse
[19:27] focus, forethought, judgment, impulse control, organization, planning,
[19:29] control, organization, planning, empathy, learning from the mistakes you
[19:32] empathy, learning from the mistakes you make. And when it's sleepy,
[19:35] make. And when it's sleepy, you have all those problems which just
[19:38] you have all those problems which just describes ADD. And um strengthening it
[19:45] describes ADD. And um strengthening it is critical to your humanity.
[19:49] is critical to your humanity. Did you know that sociopaths have 10%
[19:53] Did you know that sociopaths have 10% less volume in their preffrontal cortex?
[19:58] less volume in their preffrontal cortex? So they're a little less human, if you
[20:02] So they're a little less human, if you will. Even 10% has that impact. 10%.
[20:06] will. Even 10% has that impact. 10%. It's huge. And this is why you should
[20:09] It's huge. And this is why you should never let a child hit a soccer ball with
[20:12] never let a child hit a soccer ball with their forehead. It's just so stupid. And
[20:16] their forehead. It's just so stupid. And like I'm not a huge fan of allowing kids
[20:18] like I'm not a huge fan of allowing kids to play tackle football because it's
[20:21] to play tackle football because it's more likely to damage the part of them
[20:25] more likely to damage the part of them that
[20:27] that is the boss. And people who have ADD are
[20:31] is the boss. And people who have ADD are often executives of their own companies
[20:35] often executives of their own companies because they don't work well often with
[20:38] because they don't work well often with other people. And so they're
[20:40] other people. And so they're entrepreneurial and some wildly famous
[20:44] entrepreneurial and some wildly famous people have said they had ADD like the
[20:48] people have said they had ADD like the person who started JetBlue. He was
[20:51] person who started JetBlue. He was public with that. It can look false. It
[20:54] public with that. It can look false. It can be masquerade. you have ADD because
[20:57] can be masquerade. you have ADD because your parents gave you an iPhone when you
[21:00] your parents gave you an iPhone when you were a year old. And I think we're
[21:01] were a year old. And I think we're wising up. That's not a good thing to
[21:04] wising up. That's not a good thing to do. But still,
[21:06] do. But still, children should not have smartphones
[21:09] children should not have smartphones until they're 15, 16. Social media.
[21:13] until they're 15, 16. Social media. Australia banned social media under 16.
[21:17] Australia banned social media under 16. I think that's so great, right? Taking
[21:20] I think that's so great, right? Taking the neuroscience and making it public
[21:22] the neuroscience and making it public policy. California, you can't start
[21:24] policy. California, you can't start school in the morning before 8:00.
[21:27] school in the morning before 8:00. Taking the what we know with
[21:29] Taking the what we know with neuroscience, kids who get just an hour
[21:31] neuroscience, kids who get just an hour less sleep have a higher incidence of
[21:35] less sleep have a higher incidence of depression and suicide. So, all right,
[21:38] depression and suicide. So, all right, cut out the zero periods. I love that
[21:40] cut out the zero periods. I love that neuroscience and then public policy. Do
[21:43] neuroscience and then public policy. Do we know what causes ADHD? It's genetic.
[21:47] we know what causes ADHD? It's genetic. people are not producing
[21:50] people are not producing enough dopamine and the medicines we use
[21:53] enough dopamine and the medicines we use like rolin or aderall they increase the
[21:57] like rolin or aderall they increase the availability of dopamine now the problem
[22:01] availability of dopamine now the problem is is if you don't really have it what
[22:03] is is if you don't really have it what you have is society induced ADHD the
[22:06] you have is society induced ADHD the medicine will disrupt you and make you
[22:08] medicine will disrupt you and make you worse and early on I realized when I
[22:12] worse and early on I realized when I scanned people cuz I've scanned 30 or
[22:15] scanned people cuz I've scanned 30 or 40,000 people who have ADD of one type
[22:19] 40,000 people who have ADD of one type or another. It's not one thing. Early
[22:22] or another. It's not one thing. Early on, I'm like, "Oh, it's seven different
[22:25] on, I'm like, "Oh, it's seven different things." And so, my book, Healing ADD, I
[22:29] things." And so, my book, Healing ADD, I talk about seeing heal the seven types.
[22:32] talk about seeing heal the seven types. And so, can I talk about the type? That
[22:35] And so, can I talk about the type? That I was just about to ask my next
[22:36] I was just about to ask my next question. You you're already you're
[22:38] question. You you're already you're already one step ahead of me. So, let me
[22:40] already one step ahead of me. So, let me let me ask you. So, type one is the
[22:41] let me ask you. So, type one is the classic most people think of ADHD. short
[22:45] classic most people think of ADHD. short attention span, distractability,
[22:46] attention span, distractability, disorganization, impulsivity, and
[22:49] disorganization, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They can't sit still. And
[22:53] hyperactivity. They can't sit still. And one of my kids when she was born, we
[22:57] one of my kids when she was born, we thought she was going to be a boy
[22:58] thought she was going to be a boy because in her mother's womb, she was so
[23:01] because in her mother's womb, she was so active. And the lore is the more active
[23:03] active. And the lore is the more active a baby is inside their mother, the more
[23:05] a baby is inside their mother, the more likely they are to be a boy. She wasn't.
[23:07] likely they are to be a boy. She wasn't. When I held her older sister, we could
[23:10] When I held her older sister, we could watch movies. She'd sit on my lap. She
[23:14] watch movies. She'd sit on my lap. She was just calm. Her sister when he tried
[23:16] was just calm. Her sister when he tried to hold her was like trying to hold a
[23:18] to hold her was like trying to hold a live salmon. She's so wiggly. And then I
[23:21] live salmon. She's so wiggly. And then I take her to the mall. She would have
[23:24] take her to the mall. She would have been one of those children on the little
[23:25] been one of those children on the little yellow leashes, the big bird leashes in
[23:28] yellow leashes, the big bird leashes in the mall. But I wrote a column in the
[23:30] the mall. But I wrote a column in the local newspaper. So when I went to the
[23:32] local newspaper. So when I went to the mall, people recognized me. It's like,
[23:34] mall, people recognized me. It's like, Dr. Ammon, I loved your column. Why is
[23:36] Dr. Ammon, I loved your column. Why is your child on a leash? So, what I used
[23:38] your child on a leash? So, what I used to do with Kaitlyn is put her in her
[23:41] to do with Kaitlyn is put her in her stroller and tie her shoes together so
[23:44] stroller and tie her shoes together so she couldn't get out cuz she's like,
[23:46] she couldn't get out cuz she's like, "Where are you going?" And I remember
[23:49] "Where are you going?" And I remember just holding her hand. I take my little
[23:51] just holding her hand. I take my little pinky and wrap it around her wrist
[23:54] pinky and wrap it around her wrist because and I had spiritual problems
[23:56] because and I had spiritual problems because of this child. We would go to
[23:58] because of this child. We would go to church and I don't know why Catholics
[24:00] church and I don't know why Catholics take children into church rather than,
[24:03] take children into church rather than, you know, send them to children's
[24:05] you know, send them to children's church. But anyways, she was so active
[24:08] church. But anyways, she was so active and blurting out and I'm like the only
[24:12] and blurting out and I'm like the only child psychiatrist in the county and if
[24:16] child psychiatrist in the county and if my child is the worst one that's bad for
[24:20] my child is the worst one that's bad for business. So I used to take her out and
[24:23] business. So I used to take her out and threaten her life and now I'm worried
[24:25] threaten her life and now I'm worried about her eternal soul. and I adore her
[24:28] about her eternal soul. and I adore her and she's 37 now and Haven is just like
[24:33] and she's 37 now and Haven is just like her, which is, you know, my six-year-old
[24:35] her, which is, you know, my six-year-old granddaughter is just like her. It's
[24:39] granddaughter is just like her. It's genetic. And when we first got her
[24:43] genetic. And when we first got her diagnosed, the doctor who was really
[24:45] diagnosed, the doctor who was really great looked at me and then looked at
[24:49] great looked at me and then looked at her mother and goes, "So, who has this
[24:51] her mother and goes, "So, who has this cuz it's genetic." And I'm like, "It's
[24:53] cuz it's genetic." And I'm like, "It's not me. I do everything early." now
[24:56] not me. I do everything early." now written 42 books. Every one of them's
[24:58] written 42 books. Every one of them's been handed in early. And her mom goes,
[25:00] been handed in early. And her mom goes, "It's not me." But then I was so
[25:02] "It's not me." But then I was so grateful cuz it took her like 12 years
[25:05] grateful cuz it took her like 12 years to get through college. And she just she
[25:08] to get through college. And she just she asked her this one question. This is a
[25:10] asked her this one question. This is a great adult ADD question cuz she was
[25:13] great adult ADD question cuz she was still in college at the time. She goes,
[25:14] still in college at the time. She goes, "How do you study?" She goes, "Oh, I can
[25:16] "How do you study?" She goes, "Oh, I can never study at home. I get so
[25:18] never study at home. I get so distracted." I go inside my little car
[25:21] distracted." I go inside my little car underneath a street lamp. No kids, no
[25:24] underneath a street lamp. No kids, no noise, nothing. there I can study and
[25:26] noise, nothing. there I can study and the doctor goes you have ADD
[25:29] the doctor goes you have ADD it was very helpful for me and for her
[25:33] it was very helpful for me and for her that's type one that's type one classic
[25:37] that's type one that's type one classic type two is inattentive ADD
[25:41] type two is inattentive ADD short attention span distractability
[25:45] short attention span distractability disorganized procrastinate but they're
[25:48] disorganized procrastinate but they're not impulsive and more common in girls
[25:52] not impulsive and more common in girls they're not hyperactive in fact they can
[25:54] they're not hyperactive in fact they can a little bit hypo active. And those
[25:58] a little bit hypo active. And those first two types were described in the
[26:01] first two types were described in the DSM when they first created this
[26:04] DSM when they first created this diagnostic category in 1980. I describe
[26:08] diagnostic category in 1980. I describe the next five types. The third one is
[26:11] the next five types. The third one is overfocused ADD where the problem is not
[26:14] overfocused ADD where the problem is not so much you can't concentrate,
[26:17] so much you can't concentrate, it's you can't shift your attention that
[26:20] it's you can't shift your attention that you get stuck. And if you can't shift
[26:23] you get stuck. And if you can't shift your attention, you cannot pay
[26:25] your attention, you cannot pay attention. But it's a different
[26:28] attention. But it's a different mechanism. And I found this to be a
[26:30] mechanism. And I found this to be a particularly true in children and
[26:32] particularly true in children and grandchildren of alcoholics. And they
[26:36] grandchildren of alcoholics. And they tend to be argumentative,
[26:38] tend to be argumentative, oppositional
[26:39] oppositional worry. If things don't go their way,
[26:42] worry. If things don't go their way, they get upset. And on the surface, they
[26:45] they get upset. And on the surface, they appear selfish. They're really not
[26:48] appear selfish. They're really not selfish. they're just not flexible and
[26:53] selfish. they're just not flexible and stimulants tend to make them more
[26:56] stimulants tend to make them more worried and more upset. Type four is
[27:00] worried and more upset. Type four is called limbic ADD. It's where their
[27:02] called limbic ADD. It's where their emotional brain is too busy and it's
[27:05] emotional brain is too busy and it's sort of like ADD plus
[27:09] sort of like ADD plus mild depression and the glass is always
[27:12] mild depression and the glass is always half empty for them. Type five I think
[27:15] half empty for them. Type five I think is such an interesting one is temporal
[27:17] is such an interesting one is temporal lobe ADD. They have problems in one or
[27:19] lobe ADD. They have problems in one or both of their temporal loes. Often goes
[27:21] both of their temporal loes. Often goes with learning problems, but mood
[27:24] with learning problems, but mood instability, irritability, temper
[27:27] instability, irritability, temper problems. One of my first great cases
[27:29] problems. One of my first great cases was Chris. He his third psychiatric
[27:32] was Chris. He his third psychiatric hospitalization. This time he took a
[27:35] hospitalization. This time he took a pencil and put it in the neck of one of
[27:37] pencil and put it in the neck of one of his classmates. Stimulants made him
[27:40] his classmates. Stimulants made him hallucinate uh all the other medicines.
[27:43] hallucinate uh all the other medicines. And I'm like, I'm scanning you. And he
[27:46] And I'm like, I'm scanning you. And he had left problem. which goes with
[27:49] had left problem. which goes with violence. I put him on an
[27:50] violence. I put him on an anti-combulsant, an anti-seizure
[27:53] anti-combulsant, an anti-seizure medicine, became the sweetest kid. And
[27:56] medicine, became the sweetest kid. And then he still had trouble concentrating.
[27:58] then he still had trouble concentrating. So then after I got the temporal
[28:00] So then after I got the temporal override, I gave him a stimulant.
[28:02] override, I gave him a stimulant. Masterful. I mean, this kid just did
[28:04] Masterful. I mean, this kid just did phenomenally
[28:06] phenomenally well. And then the ring of fire, that's
[28:09] well. And then the ring of fire, that's one I may be most known for. The problem
[28:11] one I may be most known for. The problem is not low activity, it's too much
[28:14] is not low activity, it's too much activity. Please don't give them a
[28:15] activity. Please don't give them a stimulant because they can become
[28:18] stimulant because they can become violent and aggressive. Actually use a
[28:20] violent and aggressive. Actually use a supplement to calm things down in their
[28:23] supplement to calm things down in their brain. Very effective. Then the last
[28:25] brain. Very effective. Then the last one's anxious ADD where they're really
[28:29] one's anxious ADD where they're really anxious and so they tend to be early to
[28:32] anxious and so they tend to be early to things but disorganized, distracted, so
[28:35] things but disorganized, distracted, so on. So knowing the type and that's why
[28:38] on. So knowing the type and that's why rolin has a bad reputation for the right
[28:42] rolin has a bad reputation for the right brain it's miraculous for the wrong
[28:46] brain it's miraculous for the wrong brain it's a nightmare a lot of people
[28:48] brain it's a nightmare a lot of people who have ADHD say they feel emotions
[28:51] who have ADHD say they feel emotions much more strongly and deeply can they
[28:54] much more strongly and deeply can they start to regulate their emotions is
[28:56] start to regulate their emotions is there a way to do that or is that
[28:58] there a way to do that or is that medication well and sometimes with the
[28:59] medication well and sometimes with the medicine they don't like it because it
[29:01] medicine they don't like it because it feels like it suppresses their emotions
[29:04] feels like it suppresses their emotions interesting And my daughter Caitlyn when
[29:08] interesting And my daughter Caitlyn when I put her on rolin cuz she was
[29:12] I put her on rolin cuz she was hyperactive and then she was
[29:15] hyperactive and then she was dramatically less hyperactive. But I
[29:17] dramatically less hyperactive. But I found I had to titrate the dose down
[29:20] found I had to titrate the dose down because I could see it putting a lid on
[29:23] because I could see it putting a lid on her personality, which is not what you
[29:25] her personality, which is not what you want to do. And so often you want to
[29:28] want to do. And so often you want to work with someone who's really
[29:29] work with someone who's really knowledgeable to titrate the dose up and
[29:33] knowledgeable to titrate the dose up and down effectively. If you're a baseball
[29:38] down effectively. If you're a baseball player, so just thinking of athletes,
[29:41] player, so just thinking of athletes, the medicine gives you a better batting
[29:43] the medicine gives you a better batting average. If you're a linebacker in
[29:45] average. If you're a linebacker in football, you might be a little bit less
[29:47] football, you might be a little bit less aggressive
[29:49] aggressive because you're more thoughtful, right?
[29:51] because you're more thoughtful, right? So if you want to play with abandon, you
[29:54] So if you want to play with abandon, you probably don't want a stimulant. on
[29:56] probably don't want a stimulant. on board. But I find for some of my
[29:59] board. But I find for some of my professional athletes, they're just much
[30:03] professional athletes, they're just much more focused and less likely to get
[30:05] more focused and less likely to get technical fouls because they're not a
[30:08] technical fouls because they're not a hotthead. And when you see the world
[30:09] hotthead. And when you see the world like I see it and you're watching, you
[30:12] like I see it and you're watching, you know, someone have a meltdown on the
[30:13] know, someone have a meltdown on the court, I'm like, I wonder what's going
[30:14] court, I'm like, I wonder what's going on in that person's brain, right? Rather
[30:17] on in that person's brain, right? Rather than just judge them is bad. I haven't
[30:20] than just judge them is bad. I haven't scanned Draymond Green, but I want to. I
[30:22] scanned Draymond Green, but I want to. I saw a study that found that children
[30:25] saw a study that found that children with untreated ADHD are nearly twice as
[30:29] with untreated ADHD are nearly twice as likely to develop an alcohol use
[30:31] likely to develop an alcohol use disorder or other substance abuse
[30:34] disorder or other substance abuse problem. Why is that? Because of the
[30:36] problem. Why is that? Because of the lack of impulse control and they don't
[30:38] lack of impulse control and they don't like how they feel. Right? If you've
[30:41] like how they feel. Right? If you've been told every day to settle down or
[30:44] been told every day to settle down or you've brought negative attention to
[30:46] you've brought negative attention to yourself over time, it activates
[30:51] yourself over time, it activates your emotional brain and you want to
[30:56] your emotional brain and you want to settle it down and you don't have good
[30:57] settle it down and you don't have good forethought or good impulse control and
[31:00] forethought or good impulse control and you're more likely to drink and it's
[31:04] you're more likely to drink and it's just so prevalent. Plus with society.
[31:07] just so prevalent. Plus with society. During the Super Bowl, there were 30
[31:09] During the Super Bowl, there were 30 beer commercials and the rest of them
[31:12] beer commercials and the rest of them were Jack in the Box, right? So, it's
[31:14] were Jack in the Box, right? So, it's like we we're just being flooded with
[31:17] like we we're just being flooded with these awful messages that take people
[31:19] these awful messages that take people who have ADD, make them more ADD, and
[31:22] who have ADD, make them more ADD, and then they engage in habits that aren't
[31:25] then they engage in habits that aren't helpful. Do you think there should be a
[31:26] helpful. Do you think there should be a ban on alcohol advertisements as much as
[31:29] ban on alcohol advertisements as much as there is obviously on smoking? Like,
[31:32] there is obviously on smoking? Like, yeah, it's not a health food. I mean,
[31:33] yeah, it's not a health food. I mean, the American Cancer Society came out
[31:36] the American Cancer Society came out three years ago and said you shouldn't
[31:39] three years ago and said you shouldn't drink because it increases your risk of
[31:42] drink because it increases your risk of seven different types of cancer. The
[31:45] seven different types of cancer. The surgeon general last year said we should
[31:47] surgeon general last year said we should put alcohol cancer warning label signs
[31:51] put alcohol cancer warning label signs on alcohol. I think when you just look
[31:54] on alcohol. I think when you just look at our society from the digital
[31:56] at our society from the digital addictions and social media and
[32:00] addictions and social media and technology to the bad food, the
[32:03] technology to the bad food, the ultrarocessed food that so many people
[32:05] ultrarocessed food that so many people that's 80 or 90% of their diet to
[32:09] that's 80 or 90% of their diet to marijuana is innocuous which is a
[32:12] marijuana is innocuous which is a complete lie. Alcohol is a health food.
[32:15] complete lie. Alcohol is a health food. No. And now the big new thing is
[32:18] No. And now the big new thing is psilocybin. It's great medicine. And
[32:21] psilocybin. It's great medicine. And it's an anti-depressant. It'll treat
[32:23] it's an anti-depressant. It'll treat your PTSD
[32:24] your PTSD and it's increased
[32:28] and it's increased psychosis to emergency rooms 300%.
[32:32] psychosis to emergency rooms 300%. It is not innocuous. Now, might it
[32:35] It is not innocuous. Now, might it become a a good treatment? I don't know.
[32:38] become a a good treatment? I don't know. But I feel like I've seen this party
[32:41] But I feel like I've seen this party before, right? One of the big benefits
[32:43] before, right? One of the big benefits of being 70 is you've seen lots of
[32:45] of being 70 is you've seen lots of things. The early 80s, benzo are
[32:49] things. The early 80s, benzo are innocuous. their mommy little helper. We
[32:51] innocuous. their mommy little helper. We know benzo are highly addictive and
[32:53] know benzo are highly addictive and increased the risk of dementia. The
[32:57] increased the risk of dementia. The early 90s alcohol is good for your
[32:59] early 90s alcohol is good for your heart. You should drink. It's a lie. You
[33:01] heart. You should drink. It's a lie. You shouldn't drink. It increases your risk
[33:03] shouldn't drink. It increases your risk of stupidity and cancer, right? And if
[33:07] of stupidity and cancer, right? And if you're ADD and you have sleepy frontal
[33:09] you're ADD and you have sleepy frontal loes, now you drink, you have sleepier
[33:10] loes, now you drink, you have sleepier frontal loes, still not a good thing.
[33:14] frontal loes, still not a good thing. And then pain is the fifth vital sign,
[33:17] And then pain is the fifth vital sign, right? The Purdue Pharmaceuticals came
[33:20] right? The Purdue Pharmaceuticals came out with let's let's get more people to
[33:23] out with let's let's get more people to take opiates and came out with these
[33:25] take opiates and came out with these campaigns and spent billions of dollars
[33:27] campaigns and spent billions of dollars on marketing and it was a disaster. And
[33:32] on marketing and it was a disaster. And then the whole marijuana is innocuous
[33:34] then the whole marijuana is innocuous during not this presidential campaign,
[33:37] during not this presidential campaign, the last one. Joe Biden was debating and
[33:42] the last one. Joe Biden was debating and they asked him, "Should the federal
[33:44] they asked him, "Should the federal government legalize marijuana?" And he
[33:46] government legalize marijuana?" And he said, "No, I don't think there's enough
[33:48] said, "No, I don't think there's enough research." And Cy Booker, the senator
[33:51] research." And Cy Booker, the senator from New Jersey, shames him on national
[33:55] from New Jersey, shames him on national television and he said, "Man, are you
[33:59] television and he said, "Man, are you high like the science is settled." Well,
[34:04] high like the science is settled." Well, as more places legalize it, the science
[34:08] as more places legalize it, the science is getting settled. It's bad for us,
[34:11] is getting settled. It's bad for us, right? If you use as a teenager, it
[34:14] right? If you use as a teenager, it increases anxiety, depression,
[34:17] increases anxiety, depression, psychosis, and suicide in your 20s. I
[34:20] psychosis, and suicide in your 20s. I published a study on a thousand
[34:22] published a study on a thousand marijuana users. Every area of the brain
[34:25] marijuana users. Every area of the brain is lower in blood flow. And I got so
[34:29] is lower in blood flow. And I got so much grief for it. And two months ago in
[34:31] much grief for it. And two months ago in Jamama psychiatry
[34:33] Jamama psychiatry on a thousand marijuana users the memory
[34:36] on a thousand marijuana users the memory and learning centers are lower in blood
[34:39] and learning centers are lower in blood flow and activity. This is not
[34:41] flow and activity. This is not innocuous.
[34:43] innocuous. It's all these lies that then increase
[34:46] It's all these lies that then increase the expression of ADD. And so you know
[34:51] the expression of ADD. And so you know how do you know? You look at someone's
[34:53] how do you know? You look at someone's history over time, right? All of us have
[34:57] history over time, right? All of us have ADD moments, but that's not ADD. Having
[35:01] ADD moments, but that's not ADD. Having ADD is these hallmark symptoms have
[35:05] ADD is these hallmark symptoms have followed you most of your life. So for
[35:08] followed you most of your life. So for parents who are listening right now and
[35:10] parents who are listening right now and they're starting to see a young child
[35:12] they're starting to see a young child maybe have one of the types or some of
[35:15] maybe have one of the types or some of the symptoms, what would you encourage
[35:17] the symptoms, what would you encourage them to do? You know, I have a free
[35:18] them to do? You know, I have a free online test called addypetest.com.
[35:22] online test called addypetest.com. they could take that for people if
[35:25] they could take that for people if you've been struggling and it's like you
[35:28] you've been struggling and it's like you really believe it's not just
[35:30] really believe it's not just environmental right I mean the first
[35:33] environmental right I mean the first thing if your child's struggling in
[35:34] thing if your child's struggling in school make sure they're not taking
[35:37] school make sure they're not taking their iPad to bed so often it's because
[35:40] their iPad to bed so often it's because kids are sleepdeprived they look like
[35:42] kids are sleepdeprived they look like they have ADD because parents are really
[35:45] they have ADD because parents are really not properly supervising the kids do a
[35:49] not properly supervising the kids do a digital detox and then I have to say
[35:52] digital detox and then I have to say this because there's this great study
[35:54] this because there's this great study published in the Lancet replicated that
[35:58] published in the Lancet replicated that when you put kids on an elimination
[36:00] when you put kids on an elimination diet. So what does that mean? You
[36:02] diet. So what does that mean? You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy,
[36:05] eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of
[36:09] artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADD. No way. So the
[36:13] the kids lost their ADD. No way. So the first thing is not let me give you this
[36:17] first thing is not let me give you this drug. In my mind, the first thing is do
[36:20] drug. In my mind, the first thing is do a digital detox. and do an elimination
[36:23] a digital detox. and do an elimination diet and do it for a month. And I was
[36:25] diet and do it for a month. And I was like, "Oh, I can't do that." It's like,
[36:26] like, "Oh, I can't do that." It's like, "It's not that hard." My wife, Tana,
[36:29] "It's not that hard." My wife, Tana, wrote a cookbook, Healing ADD at Home
[36:31] wrote a cookbook, Healing ADD at Home Through Food, or The Brain Warriors Way.
[36:34] Through Food, or The Brain Warriors Way. That's her big cookbook. It's been
[36:36] That's her big cookbook. It's been reprinted like 53 times. I'm so proud of
[36:39] reprinted like 53 times. I'm so proud of her. And find foods the kids love that
[36:43] her. And find foods the kids love that love them back. Food is so important. Do
[36:49] love them back. Food is so important. Do that first. And I always tell I'm like,
[36:51] that first. And I always tell I'm like, "Look, if they really have ADD or ADHD,
[36:55] "Look, if they really have ADD or ADHD, they're going to have it 3 months from
[36:57] they're going to have it 3 months from now or 4 months from now. Let's do this
[37:01] now or 4 months from now. Let's do this and see." I have an online course called
[37:04] and see." I have an online course called Healing ADD at home in 30 days. And it's
[37:07] Healing ADD at home in 30 days. And it's basically before you give them medicine,
[37:10] basically before you give them medicine, do these things first. And it's so
[37:15] do these things first. And it's so helpful. Why does changing our diet
[37:18] helpful. Why does changing our diet affect ADHD? Why does removing gluten,
[37:22] affect ADHD? Why does removing gluten, removing processed foods, etc. Why does
[37:25] removing processed foods, etc. Why does that impact it? Your brain is 2% about
[37:29] that impact it? Your brain is 2% about your body's weight. It uses 20 to 30% of
[37:33] your body's weight. It uses 20 to 30% of the calories you consume. And so if you
[37:36] the calories you consume. And so if you have a fast food diet, you're likely to
[37:39] have a fast food diet, you're likely to have a fast food mind. And both gluten
[37:44] have a fast food mind. And both gluten and dairy when they go to your stomach
[37:48] and dairy when they go to your stomach when it mixes with stomach acid, it
[37:51] when it mixes with stomach acid, it turns into something called
[37:53] turns into something called glutiomorphins
[37:55] glutiomorphins which work on the heroin centers or the
[37:58] which work on the heroin centers or the opiate centers of your brain and it just
[38:00] opiate centers of your brain and it just sort of spaces you out. For milk, it's
[38:04] sort of spaces you out. For milk, it's quomorphins
[38:06] quomorphins and it's why we love pizza. If you think
[38:09] and it's why we love pizza. If you think of gluten and dairy, right, it's pizza.
[38:12] of gluten and dairy, right, it's pizza. Um, but it's also why you feel spacey
[38:16] Um, but it's also why you feel spacey afterwards. And too often, what do we
[38:18] afterwards. And too often, what do we feed kids? Like when I was growing up,
[38:21] feed kids? Like when I was growing up, it was frosted flakes or Pop-Tarts or a
[38:25] it was frosted flakes or Pop-Tarts or a muffin or donuts. And if you get a sugar
[38:30] muffin or donuts. And if you get a sugar burst, well, a half an hour later, your
[38:33] burst, well, a half an hour later, your brain is walking in mud. And yet that's
[38:36] brain is walking in mud. And yet that's what we feed children in the morning.
[38:38] what we feed children in the morning. ADD kids who have protein in the
[38:41] ADD kids who have protein in the morning, their medicine works longer
[38:44] morning, their medicine works longer throughout the day. And so in the 50s,
[38:48] throughout the day. And so in the 50s, you know, we grow up with bacon and eggs
[38:52] you know, we grow up with bacon and eggs and much better than the processed
[38:57] and much better than the processed cereals. I love your thoughts on how to
[39:00] cereals. I love your thoughts on how to do it before we get to medicine, like
[39:03] do it before we get to medicine, like before we get to medication. looking at
[39:05] before we get to medication. looking at technology, looking at our diet and and
[39:09] technology, looking at our diet and and that way you could potentially save
[39:11] that way you could potentially save yourself from having to go down the
[39:12] yourself from having to go down the medicine route, right? And then parents
[39:14] medicine route, right? And then parents who are generally resistant to the idea
[39:18] who are generally resistant to the idea of medicine and perhaps more so than
[39:22] of medicine and perhaps more so than they should be because I think if
[39:25] they should be because I think if someone really has ADD, withholding
[39:29] someone really has ADD, withholding medicine is like withholding glasses
[39:32] medicine is like withholding glasses from someone who can't see. And that's
[39:36] from someone who can't see. And that's neglect. And we're we're in this
[39:38] neglect. And we're we're in this society, right? The more educated you
[39:40] society, right? The more educated you are, it's like, "Oh, no. I'd never give
[39:43] are, it's like, "Oh, no. I'd never give my child medicine. And then all of a
[39:45] my child medicine. And then all of a sudden you see they're failing in
[39:48] sudden you see they're failing in school. And if you struggle in school,
[39:50] school. And if you struggle in school, you begin to hang out with the other
[39:54] you begin to hang out with the other kids who are struggling, which may not
[39:56] kids who are struggling, which may not be ultimately in their best interest. If
[40:00] be ultimately in their best interest. If you haven't been diagnosed by the time
[40:03] you haven't been diagnosed by the time you're 10, odds are your self-esteem has
[40:07] you're 10, odds are your self-esteem has been negatively impacted because people
[40:10] been negatively impacted because people have said repeatedly to you, you're
[40:14] have said repeatedly to you, you're smarter than this. You could do better
[40:16] smarter than this. You could do better than this, try harder. But what I show
[40:19] than this, try harder. But what I show on the scans when they try to
[40:21] on the scans when they try to concentrate, their brain drops in
[40:23] concentrate, their brain drops in activity. In fact, the harder they try,
[40:28] activity. In fact, the harder they try, the worse it gets. Why is that? Because
[40:31] the worse it gets. Why is that? Because their brain is turning off when it
[40:34] their brain is turning off when it should be the frontal lobe turning on
[40:36] should be the frontal lobe turning on their frontal lobe. If you don't have
[40:38] their frontal lobe. If you don't have enough dopamine to keep your frontal
[40:41] enough dopamine to keep your frontal lobe engaged,
[40:44] lobe engaged, it sort of withers with effort. And what
[40:47] it sort of withers with effort. And what does that teach you? To give up. It's
[40:50] does that teach you? To give up. It's this idea of learned helplessness.
[40:53] this idea of learned helplessness. There's a psychologist who's really
[40:55] There's a psychologist who's really famous, Marty Seligman. You probably
[40:58] famous, Marty Seligman. You probably know of him because he's famous for
[40:59] know of him because he's famous for positive psychology. He helped start
[41:01] positive psychology. He helped start that movement. Uh but he was way famous
[41:04] that movement. Uh but he was way famous before then because he coined this term
[41:07] before then because he coined this term learned helplessness. And with
[41:09] learned helplessness. And with depression, it's like you try and it
[41:11] depression, it's like you try and it doesn't work. You try and it doesn't
[41:13] doesn't work. You try and it doesn't work. You try and it doesn't work. And
[41:15] work. You try and it doesn't work. And then you say to hell with it and you
[41:17] then you say to hell with it and you stop trying. And that happens with so
[41:19] stop trying. And that happens with so many people who have ADD. In fact, when
[41:23] many people who have ADD. In fact, when I diagnose and treat an adult woman, a
[41:27] I diagnose and treat an adult woman, a common scenario,
[41:29] common scenario, uh, she brings her hyperactive son to me
[41:32] uh, she brings her hyperactive son to me and I'm like, where did this come from?
[41:34] and I'm like, where did this come from? And say, it comes from the mom and then
[41:38] And say, it comes from the mom and then I treat her. She gets dramatically
[41:41] I treat her. She gets dramatically better and then she gets depressed
[41:43] better and then she gets depressed because she starts thinking about what
[41:47] because she starts thinking about what would my life have been like if someone
[41:50] would my life have been like if someone would have noticed this if I would have
[41:53] would have noticed this if I would have been treated. Now that's you don't give
[41:56] been treated. Now that's you don't give her an anti-depressant for that. you
[41:58] her an anti-depressant for that. you like do grief work with her and like
[42:01] like do grief work with her and like okay but now you know so your son
[42:03] okay but now you know so your son doesn't have to go through this and
[42:07] doesn't have to go through this and you don't want to argue with the past
[42:09] you don't want to argue with the past you want to look forward have you seen
[42:11] you want to look forward have you seen people break the cycle as we're talking
[42:13] people break the cycle as we're talking about it's genetically passed down if
[42:15] about it's genetically passed down if you saw in your parents have you seen
[42:18] you saw in your parents have you seen that be possible is it possible to break
[42:20] that be possible is it possible to break the cycle completely so that you don't
[42:22] the cycle completely so that you don't pass it on you know I I think so but
[42:25] pass it on you know I I think so but we're starting at such a disadvantage
[42:27] we're starting at such a disadvantage age. And you know, as I think because
[42:31] age. And you know, as I think because you know, my real passion in life is to
[42:33] you know, my real passion in life is to create a brain health revolution.
[42:36] create a brain health revolution. And where would that start? It has to
[42:40] And where would that start? It has to start with kids before they have babies.
[42:43] start with kids before they have babies. Because when that mother was born, she
[42:47] Because when that mother was born, she was born with all of the eggs in her
[42:50] was born with all of the eggs in her ovaries she will ever have. And so if
[42:55] ovaries she will ever have. And so if we're going to help her children be
[42:58] we're going to help her children be healthier, we have to get to her when
[43:00] healthier, we have to get to her when she's a child and help her make really
[43:04] she's a child and help her make really good decisions when she's a teenager.
[43:09] good decisions when she's a teenager. And too often parents go, "Oh, I don't
[43:12] And too often parents go, "Oh, I don't have control." And they abdicate their
[43:15] have control." And they abdicate their parental role over teenagers on who they
[43:18] parental role over teenagers on who they hang out with and what they eat. and you
[43:21] hang out with and what they eat. and you know, we're not drinking together and
[43:23] know, we're not drinking together and we're not smoking pot together and you
[43:26] we're not smoking pot together and you know, like all the insanity that's going
[43:28] know, like all the insanity that's going on in our society today. I think we have
[43:31] on in our society today. I think we have to get to their ovaries early because if
[43:37] to get to their ovaries early because if you're born with all of the eggs you'll
[43:38] you're born with all of the eggs you'll ever have, whatever you do in life turns
[43:42] ever have, whatever you do in life turns on or off certain genes, making illness
[43:46] on or off certain genes, making illness more or less likely in you. Yes. But
[43:50] more or less likely in you. Yes. But also your babies and grandbabies. So
[43:53] also your babies and grandbabies. So that's how we decrease the incidence is
[43:57] that's how we decrease the incidence is we get mom and dad cuz his sperm really
[44:01] we get mom and dad cuz his sperm really matters to be as healthy as possible.
[44:06] matters to be as healthy as possible. [Music]
[44:07] [Music] If you love this episode, you'll enjoy
[44:09] If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Aemon on
[44:12] my interview with Dr. Daniel Aemon on how to change your life by changing your
[44:14] how to change your life by changing your brain. If we want a healthy mind, it
[44:18] brain. If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain.
[44:21] actually starts with a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or the
[44:23] You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over a thousand convicted
[44:27] curse to scan over a thousand convicted felons and over a hundred murderers and
[44:30] felons and over a hundred murderers and their brains are very damaged.
Full Transcript (Bilingual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMDGW2Mpjc
Translation: zh-TW
[00:00] How do I know the difference between
我如何知道區別
[00:02] How do I know the difference between whether I have ADHD or I'm just
我如何知道我患有注意力不足過動症還是只是
[00:05] whether I have ADHD or I'm just distracted because we're living in an
我患有注意力不足過動症還是只是因為我們生活在一個
[00:07] distracted because we're living in an overwhelming time? Short attention span,
令人不知所措的時代而分心？注意力不集中，
[00:09] overwhelming time? Short attention span, distractability, disorganization,
令人不知所措的時代？注意力不集中，易分心，組織混亂，
[00:11] distractability, disorganization, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They
易分心，組織混亂，衝動和過度活躍。他們
[00:14] impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They can't sit still. Psychiatrist and
衝動和過度活躍。他們坐不住。精神科醫生和
[00:17] can't sit still. Psychiatrist and clinical neuroscientist Dr. Daniel
坐不住。精神科醫生和臨床神經科學家丹尼爾博士
[00:19] clinical neuroscientist Dr. Daniel Ammon. One pioneering psychiatrist says
臨床神經科學家丹尼爾博士。一位開創性的精神科醫生說
[00:21] Ammon. One pioneering psychiatrist says that feeling better starts with
阿蒙。一位開創性的精神科醫生說，感覺好轉始於
[00:23] that feeling better starts with understanding your brain. And 90% of
感覺好轉始於了解你的大腦。而 90% 的
[00:26] understanding your brain. And 90% of mothers work outside the house. When
了解你的大腦。而 90% 的母親在外工作。當
[00:29] mothers work outside the house. When they have untreated
母親在外工作。當她們患有未經治療的
[00:31] they have untreated ADD, they often look depressed and they
她們患有未經治療的注意力不足症時，她們常常看起來很沮喪，而且她們
[00:34] ADD, they often look depressed and they get on something like Flexipro, which
注意力不足症時，她們常常看起來很沮喪，而且她們服用了像 Flexipro 這樣的藥物，這
[00:37] get on something like Flexipro, which actually makes them more ADD, happier,
服用了像 Flexipro 這樣的藥物，這實際上讓她們的注意力不足症更嚴重，更開心，
[00:41] actually makes them more ADD, happier, but more distracted, happier, less
實際上讓她們的注意力不足症更嚴重，更開心，但更分心，更開心，更不
[00:44] but more distracted, happier, less focused, happier, more impulsive.
但更分心，更開心，更不專注，更開心，更衝動。
[00:47] focused, happier, more impulsive. You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy,
專注，更開心，更衝動。你戒掉麩質、乳製品、玉米、大豆、
[00:51] You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of
你戒掉麩質、乳製品、玉米、大豆、人工色素和甜味劑。 70% 的
[00:54] artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADB. No way.
人工色素和甜味劑。 70% 的孩子失去了他們的 ADB。不可能。
[00:58] the kids lost their ADB. No way. Someone's sitting here thinking, "Well,
孩子們失去了他們的 ADB。不可能。有人在這裡想：「嗯，
[00:59] Someone's sitting here thinking, "Well, I'm not going to achieve anything with
有人在這裡想：「嗯，我什麼也做不成，
[01:00] I'm not going to achieve anything with my life because I've got ADHD.
我的人生將一事無成，因為我有注意力不足過動症。
[01:02] What would you say to them?
你會對他們說什麼？
[01:06] The number one health and wellness podcast, J Shetty.
排名第一的健康與保健播客，J Shetty。
[01:08] J Shetty, the one, the only J Shetty.
J Shetty，獨一無二的 J Shetty。
[01:14] I want to start pretty direct.
我想直接切入重點。
[01:17] Why does it seem like everyone today has ADHD?
為什麼現在好像每個人都有注意力不足過動症？
[01:21] A lot of people do, but our society is dramatically elevating it.
很多人確實有，但我們的社會正在大幅誇大它。
[01:25] When you think of the gadgets that steal our attention, the ultrarocessed foods that our brain really doesn't like, the chronic stress, it's like, what's the simple answer?
當你想到那些分散我們注意力的裝置、我們的大腦非常不喜歡的超加工食品、長期的壓力，就會覺得，簡單的答案是什麼？
[01:47] And the simple answer is, let me medicate you.
而簡單的答案是，讓我給你藥物治療。
[01:49] and you'll focus better, but not for long.
你將會更專注，但不會持久。
[01:54] And so, as our society has taken more medication, we have not
因此，隨著我們的社會服用了更多藥物，我們並沒有
[02:01] taken more medication, we have not gotten healthier.
服用了更多藥物，我們並沒有變得更健康。
[02:04] So, I think for people who really have ADD or ADHD, and I use those terms interchangeably because the way we diagnose people, it used to be ADD and by a vote of people, they changed it to ADHD, which I think was actually a big mistake.
所以，我認為對於真正患有注意力不足症或注意力不足過動症的人，我將這些術語互換使用，因為我們診斷人的方式，過去是注意力不足症，經過人們投票，他們將其改為注意力不足過動症，我認為這實際上是一個大錯誤。
[02:23] It's always been there, right?
它一直都在那裡，對吧？
[02:25] You can actually look in the Old Testament and you go, "These people had ADD."
你實際上可以看看舊約，你會說，「這些人患有注意力不足症。」
[02:30] The real ADD is genetic.
真正的注意力不足症是遺傳的。
[02:33] You get it from your mom or dad.
你從你的媽媽或爸爸那裡遺傳。
[02:35] You can see it in your people.
你可以在你的人群中看到它。
[02:38] You can see it in your ancestors.
你可以在你的祖先身上看到它。
[02:41] And left untreated, they're very serious problems.
而且未經治療，它們是非常嚴重的問題。
[02:45] So if I think somebody really has ADD and that medicine would help them, they always go, "What are the side effects?"
所以，如果我認為某人真的患有注意力不足症，並且藥物會幫助他們，他們總是問，「有什麼副作用？」
[02:52] Always tell them, "Your appetite will be less.
我總是告訴他們，「你的食慾會減少。
[02:55] Take it too late in the day, you may have trouble sleeping."
一天中太晚服用，你可能會難以入睡。」
[03:00] Um, sometimes people get headaches or tummy aches.
嗯，有時人們會頭痛或肚子痛。
[03:01] People get headaches or tummy aches.
人們會頭痛或肚子痛。
[03:01] Those almost always go away.
那些幾乎總會消失。
[03:04] If you're prone to ticks, you may have more ticks.
如果你容易抽搐，你可能會抽搐得更多。
[03:06] But I want them to ask the other question is what are the side effects of not taking appropriate treatment for ADD?
但我想讓他們問另一個問題是，不對注意力不足症進行適當治療會有什麼副作用？
[03:15] And it's things like school failure and drug abuse and incarceration, divorce, bankruptcy.
而這就像學業失敗、藥物濫用、監禁、離婚、破產。
[03:26] I'm so happy we're talking about it because this is a really serious issue because if you go to places like prison, there's a high percentage of people who have untreated ADD that did not have proper focus or impulse control.
我很高興我們正在談論它，因為這是一個非常嚴重的問題，因為如果你去像監獄這樣的地方，有很高比例的人患有未經治療的注意力不足症，他們沒有適當的專注力或衝動控制。
[03:46] So would you say that is ADHD being overdiagnosed?
那麼你會說注意力不足過動症被過度診斷了嗎？
[03:49] I think it's overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed.
我認為它被過度診斷和診斷不足。
[03:54] overdiagnosed o overall because people see this as the simple answer.
總體來說被過度診斷，因為人們認為這是簡單的答案。
[03:57] Underdiagnosed especially in people who
診斷不足，尤其是在那些
[04:04] Underdiagnosed especially in people who are not hyperactive.
在那些不活躍的人身上尤其容易被漏診。
[04:06] are not hyperactive or females.
不活躍或女性。
[04:08] or females because we still have gender bias in this country.
或女性，因為在這個國家我們仍然存在性別偏見。
[04:11] If you have a little boy and he's not doing well in school, you get really worried because you realize he's going to have to take care of her family someday.
如果你有一個小男孩，他在學校表現不好，你會非常擔心，因為你意識到他將來要照顧他的家人。
[04:13] this country. If you have a little boy and he's not doing well in school, you
這個國家。如果你有一個小男孩，他在學校表現不好，你會
[04:16] get really worried because you realize he's going to have to take care of her
非常擔心，因為你意識到他將來要照顧她的家人
[04:18] he's going to have to take care of her family someday. for a girl if she's not doing as well.
他將來要照顧她的家人。對於一個女孩，如果她表現不如預期。
[04:19] family someday. for a girl if she's not
家人。對於一個女孩，如果她沒有
[04:22] doing as well. Well, you think maybe she's not that smart and you hope she marries somebody nice, which is completely irrational given that we now have three generations of women who are in the workforce here in California.
表現得很好。嗯，你會覺得她可能不太聰明，你希望她嫁給一個好人，這完全不合理，因為我們現在有三代在加州的職場工作的女性。
[04:24] doing as well. Well, you think maybe she's not that smart and you hope she
表現得很好。嗯，你會覺得她可能不太聰明，你希望她
[04:26] she's not that smart and you hope she marries somebody nice, which is
她不太聰明，你希望她嫁給一個好人，這
[04:28] marries somebody nice, which is completely irrational
嫁給一個好人，這完全不合理
[04:30] completely irrational given that we now have three generations
完全不合理，因為我們現在有三代
[04:35] given that we now have three generations of women who are in the workforce here in California.
我們現在有三代在加州的職場工作的女性。
[04:37] of women who are in the workforce here in California. 90% of mothers work
在加州的職場工作的女性。90%的母親工作
[04:40] in California. 90% of mothers work outside the house. And when they have
在加州。90%的母親在家外工作。當她們有
[04:45] outside the house. And when they have untreated
在家外工作。當她們有未經治療的
[04:47] untreated ADD,
未經治療的ADD，
[04:48] ADD, they often look depressed and they get on something like Lexapro on an SSRI,
ADD，她們常常看起來很沮喪，她們會服用像Lexapro這樣的SSRI藥物，
[04:51] they often look depressed and they get on something like Lexapro on an SSRI,
她們常常看起來很沮喪，她們會服用像Lexapro這樣的SSRI藥物，
[04:55] on something like Lexapro on an SSRI, which actually makes them more ADD, but
服用像Lexapro這樣的SSRI藥物，這實際上讓她們的ADD更嚴重，但是
[04:59] which actually makes them more ADD, but now they don't care that they're more ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about
這實際上讓她們的ADD更嚴重，但是現在她們不在乎她們的ADD更嚴重，因為血清素，我們稍後會談到
[05:02] now they don't care that they're more ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about
現在她們不在乎她們的ADD更嚴重，因為血清素，我們稍後會談到
[05:05] ADD because serotonin, we'll talk about it, they counterbalance each other.
添加，因為血清素，我們稍後會談到它，它們會相互抵消。
[05:08] So it, they counterbalance each other.
所以，它們會相互抵消。
[05:11] So serotonin is the neurotransmitter of happiness of flexibility.
所以血清素是快樂和靈活性的神經傳導物質。
[05:15] Dopamine more the neurotransmitter focus motivation.
多巴胺更多的是專注和動力的神經傳導物質。
[05:20] motivation.
動力。
[05:22] Let's follow through and get this done.
讓我們堅持到底並完成它。
[05:25] And when one goes up, so serotonin goes up, someone puts you on an SSRI, dopamine goes down.
當一個上升時，血清素就會上升，有人給你開 SSRI，多巴胺就會下降。
[05:32] And so happier but more distracted.
所以更快樂但更分心。
[05:35] happier, less focused, happier, more impulsive.
更快樂，專注力較差，更快樂，衝動性較強。
[05:38] Yeah.
是的。
[05:40] And I think that's what so many people are feeling today where they naturally feel a sense of brain fog.
而且我認為這就是今天許多人感受到的，他們自然會感到一種腦霧。
[05:45] They're overwhelmed with information.
他們被資訊淹沒了。
[05:47] I was reading somewhere that we now consume 72 gigabytes of information per day which someone had translated to reading a 100,000 words every single day which when you think about that that is so overwhelming.
我在某處讀到，我們現在每天消耗 72 GB 的資訊，有人將其翻譯為每天閱讀 100,000 個單詞，當你想到這一點時，這真是太壓倒性了。
[06:04] So how do I know the
那麼我怎麼知道
[06:07] overwhelming.
壓倒性的。
[06:07] So how do I know the difference between whether I have ADHD or I'm just distracted because we're living in an overwhelming time.
那麼我如何分辨我患有注意力不足過動症，還是我只是因為我們生活在一個壓倒性的時代而分心呢？
[06:14] So you look for patterns of behavior over time.
所以你要觀察長期的行為模式。
[06:20] So the hallmark features of ADD or ADHD, the first one is short attention span.
所以注意力不足症或注意力不足過動症的標誌性特徵，第一個是注意力不集中。
[06:25] It's really hard to focus, but not for everything.
真的很難集中注意力，但並非對所有事情都如此。
[06:28] And this is what fools people.
這就是人們被愚弄的地方。
[06:31] It's short attention span for regular routine everyday things, school work, homework, paperwork, chores.
這是對常規的日常事務、學校功課、家庭作業、文書工作、雜務的注意力不集中。
[06:35] the things that make life work.
那些讓生活得以運作的事情。
[06:40] And if you have a half an hour of homework, parents will often say it takes him or her two hours to do and I have to structure their time.
如果你有半小時的功課，父母們常會說他或她需要花兩個小時才能完成，而我必須安排他們的時間。
[06:44] That's very common.
這是很常見的。
[06:48] But for things that are new, novel, highly stimulating or frightening, people with ADD can pay
但對於新奇、有創意、高度刺激或令人恐懼的事物，患有注意力不足症的人可以支付
[07:09] or frightening, people with ADD can pay attention just fine because they have attention just fine because they have their own intrinsic dopamine.
或者令人沮喪，患有多動症的人可以專心致志，因為他們有自己的內在多巴胺。
[07:16] And what I find is love is a drug. Love is dopamine.
我發現愛是一種毒品。愛是多巴胺。
[07:23] So say you're getting all C's and D's except one A. and the A whether it's in history or whatever, it's because you love the teacher or you love the subject.
所以說你得了除了A之外的所有C和D。而那個A，無論是在歷史課還是其他什麼課，都是因為你愛老師或者你愛這門學科。
[07:35] But it's not this one thing we should be looking at. It's the pattern of your attention span over time.
但這不是我們應該關注的唯一一件事。而是你的注意力跨度隨時間變化的模式。
[07:43] The second is they're easily distracted. And what that means is they see too much, they hear too much, they taste too much, they smell too much.
第二是他們很容易分心。這意味著他們看到太多，聽到太多，嚐到太多，聞到太多。
[07:54] So they're constantly distracted by the world coming at them.
所以他們不斷地被湧向他們的世界所干擾。
[07:58] The brain is really good at suppressing unnecessary noises or unnecessary thoughts.
大腦非常擅長抑制不必要的噪音或不必要的想法。
[08:08] But when you're preffrontal cortex, so we'll talk
但是當你處於前額葉皮層時，所以我們會談論
[08:10] you're preffrontal cortex, so we'll talk about that.
你是前額葉皮質，所以我們會談論它。
[08:12] The front part of your brain, the front third of your brain, largest in humans than any other animal by far.
你大腦的前部，你大腦的前三分之一，比任何其他動物都大得多。
[08:21] When it's sleepy, it can't sort of suppress the noise.
當它疲倦時，它無法抑制噪音。
[08:25] I grew up three houses from the freeway in Southern California and lots of noise, but I never heard it because my brain went, "Oh, you don't need to listen to that."
我在南加州的公路旁長大，離公路只有三棟房子，有很多噪音，但我從沒聽過，因為我的大腦會說：「哦，你不需要聽那個。」
[08:37] So, it would suppress it.
所以，它會抑制它。
[08:39] So, someone who has ADHD, can't suppress it.
所以，患有注意力不足過動症的人，無法抑制它。
[08:42] Interesting.
有趣。
[08:45] And so, the world comes at them too much.
所以，世界對他們的影響太大了。
[08:48] And you you see it with the clothes they wear.
你可以在他們穿的衣服上看到這一點。
[08:51] They hate seams and they hate tags because their body feels it.
他們討厭縫線和標籤，因為他們的身體能感覺到。
[08:54] So, I've been married twice.
所以我結過兩次婚。
[08:57] Both of my wives have ADD of one form or another.
我的兩任妻子都有不同形式的注意力不足症。
[09:01] And the first time when I got married, I went, it's like right after I got married, I went to my closet to get a shirt and I noticed the tag was cut
第一次結婚時，我剛結婚後，去衣櫃拿襯衫，我注意到標籤被剪掉了
[09:10] a shirt and I noticed the tag was cut out of my shirt.
一件襯衫，我注意到我襯衫上的標籤被剪掉了。
[09:14] And I'm like, that's out of my shirt.
我心想，這是我襯衫上的。
[09:15] And I'm like, that's weird.
我心想，這很奇怪。
[09:18] And then I looked at all of my shirts and all of the tags were out and I felt violated.
然後我看了看我所有的襯衫，所有的標籤都被剪掉了，我感覺受到了侵犯。
[09:21] And I went into the living room with the shirt and I'm like, "Why is my shirt missing the tag?"
我拿著襯衫走進客廳，心想：「我的襯衫為什麼少了標籤？」
[09:26] She goes, "Oh, don't you hate tags?
她說：「哦，你不討厭標籤嗎？
[09:29] Like, I hate tags.
我討厭標籤。
[09:31] I thought you'd really like that I cut them all out for you."
我以為你會很喜歡我把它們都剪掉給你。 」
[09:33] And I'm like, "I've never felt a tag in my life.
我心想：「我這輩子從來沒感覺過標籤。
[09:36] Please don't damage my clothing."
請不要損壞我的衣服。」
[09:40] That's Yeah, that's fascinating to me.
這真是，是的，這對我來說很奇妙。
[09:43] So, because I can relate to what you said, I'm very unaffected by outside noise and definitely my brain creates the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
所以，因為我能體會你說的話，我對外界的噪音非常不受影響，而且我的大腦肯定會創造出你說的你那樣的界限，即使我在一個非常嘈雜的環境中，如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[09:49] noise and definitely my brain creates the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
噪音，而且我的大腦肯定會創造出你說的你那樣的界限，即使我在一個非常嘈雜的環境中，如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[09:53] the same boundary that you said yours does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
你說的你那樣的界限，即使我在一個非常嘈雜的環境中，如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[09:54] does, where I could be in a really noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
你那樣，即使我在一個非常嘈雜的環境中，如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[09:56] environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm focused on something.
環境，但如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[09:58] internal if I'm focused on something.
如果我專注於某件事，我也可以完全沉浸在內。
[10:01] Now, does that mean that we're born with ADHD or can we train attention?
現在，這是否意味著我們天生就有注意力不足過動症，還是我們可以訓練注意力？
[10:03] Well, we can train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
嗯，我們可以訓練注意力，但我說的注意力不足過動症是我們天生就有的。
[10:07] can train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
我們可以訓練注意力，但我說的注意力不足過動症是我們天生就有的。
[10:10] train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about is what you're born with.
訓練注意力，但我說的注意力不足過動症是我們天生就有的。
[10:14] talking about is what you're born with.
談論的是你天生就有的。我看到它在你媽媽身上，
[10:17] What you see it in your mom, you see it in your dad.
我看到它在你爸爸身上。我有，他們告訴我我的
[10:21] in your dad. I have, they told you my first wife had ADD, which means
我的第一個妻子患有注意力不足過動症，這意味著
[10:24] first wife had ADD, which means three of my children have it.
我的三個孩子也有。所以，
[10:28] three of my children have it. So, I know more about this than I want to.
我對這件事的了解比我想要的還多。而且，如果你想到分心，
[10:32] more about this than I want to. And if you think of distractability,
如果你想到分心，
[10:34] you think of distractability, what does an orgasm require?
高潮需要什麼？
[10:37] what does an orgasm require? Focus.
專注。你必須專注於那種感覺足夠長的時間
[10:40] Focus. You have to pay attention to the feeling long enough
才能達到高潮。所以，如果
[10:43] feeling long enough in order to have an orgasm.
那變得非常困難，嗯，這對個人和他們的伴侶來說都是一個問題，
[10:46] in order to have an orgasm. And so if that becomes really hard, well, that's a
因為他們的伴侶會想，
[10:49] that becomes really hard, well, that's a problem for both the person and their partner because their partner will like,
「哦，她不愛我，或者我做得不夠好。」
[10:52] partner because their partner will like, "Oh, she doesn't love me or I'm not enough."
而這與那完全無關。她們只是容易分心。
[10:54] "Oh, she doesn't love me or I'm not enough." when it has nothing to do with that.
患有真正注意力不足過動症的人，他們晚上需要白噪音。
[10:57] enough." when it has nothing to do with that. It's just they're easily distracted.
而我則想，現在是冬天。
[11:00] that. It's just they're easily distracted. People with sort of the real
這裡是華盛頓特區。風扇開著。
[11:02] distracted. People with sort of the real ADD, they need white noise at night.
[11:05] ADD, they need white noise at night. And I'm like, it's the middle of winter.
[11:09] I'm like, it's the middle of winter. It's Washington DC. The fan is on.
[11:16] Like, why is the fan on?
像是，為什麼風扇開著？
[11:18] It's like, oh, I need the noise or I won't be able to sleep cuz I hear everything that's in the house.
就像，哦，我需要噪音，否則我無法入睡，因為我聽得到房子裡的一切。
[11:24] So, short attention span, not for everything.
所以，注意力不集中，不是為了所有事情。
[11:26] easily distracted, disorganized.
容易分心，雜亂無章。
[11:29] So, it's hard for them.
所以，對他們來說很難。
[11:31] It's not natural for them.
這對他們來說不自然。
[11:34] If you look at their rooms, their desks, their book bags, their filing cabinets, and time, they're often late.
如果你看看他們的房間、書桌、書包、文件櫃和時間，他們常常遲到。
[11:36] And I like to be early.
而我喜歡早到。
[11:40] I'm like, if I have if I have a flight, I'm there two hours early because my brain thinks of all the things that could go wrong on the way to the airport and the flight's important to me.
我會想，如果我有，如果我有航班，我會提前兩小時到，因為我的大腦會想到所有可能在去機場的路上出錯的事情，而航班對我來說很重要。
[11:45] People with ADD, it's last minute.
患有注意力不足過動症的人，都是最後一刻。
[11:50] Last minute.
最後一刻。
[11:52] And I used to fight.
我以前會爭執。
[11:54] I'm like, "No, we need to go."
我會說，「不，我們該走了。」
[11:56] And and then I just started lying.
然後我就開始撒謊了。
[11:58] It's like the flight is at noon.
就像航班是中午。
[12:01] Uh when really it was at 1:00.
呃，但實際上是下午一點。
[12:04] And because her organization wasn't such, she didn't
因為她的組織能力不怎麼樣，她沒有
[12:17] organization wasn't such, she didn't really catch on to how much of that is training.
組織並非如此，她並沒有真正理解其中有多少是訓練。
[12:19] Like I feel like I grew up with a mom who is very meticulous with time.
我感覺我是在一個對時間非常講究的媽媽的撫養下長大的。
[12:24] So my mom trained me to always believe that if you're not early, you're late.
所以我媽媽訓練我，讓我一直相信，如果你不早到，你就是遲到。
[12:29] And so I also live in a world that you do, which is I'm always at the airport early.
所以我也是活在一個你所處的世界裡，那就是我總是提早到機場。
[12:34] I'm always making sure of anything that could go wrong.
我總是確保任何可能出錯的事情。
[12:36] Security could take a bit longer.
安檢可能會花費更長的時間。
[12:38] There's so many other things that to me I've always felt came because I had a mom who was super organized and I've inherited that by watching her even now like my mom trained me how to make sure we locked all the doors at night and you know we didn't grow up in a really safe area so there was this very hyper attention to make sure so I'm very good at that and how could have been because her brain was busy in the front and she also gave that to you.
還有很多其他的事情，對我來說，我一直覺得這些事情的發生是因為我有一個超級有條理的媽媽，而且我透過觀察她繼承了這一點，即使是現在，我媽媽也訓練我如何確保我們晚上鎖好所有的門，你知道我們並沒有在一個真正安全的地區長大，所以有這種非常高度的關注來確保，所以我很擅長這一點，而且這可能是因為她的腦袋在前額葉很活躍，她也把這一點傳給了你。
[13:10] Yeah. Right. So, some of it is training, but if she had ADD, she wouldn't give that to you and you would
對。對。所以，其中一部分是訓練，但如果她有注意力不足過動症，她就不會把這個給你，而你會
[13:18] wouldn't give that to you and you would often be chronically stressed because
不會給你那個，而且你常常會承受慢性壓力，因為
[13:21] often be chronically stressed because she wouldn't get you to school on time
常常承受慢性壓力，因為她不會準時送你上學
[13:23] she wouldn't get you to school on time or she wouldn't be there on time to pick
她不會準時送你上學，或者她不會準時去接
[13:26] or she wouldn't be there on time to pick you up or it's really important you have
或者她不會準時去接你，或者真的有很重要的事情，像是
[13:30] you up or it's really important you have a soccer practice and you're late.
接你，而你有足球練習，而且你遲到了。
[13:33] a soccer practice and you're late. the the level of stress in ADD ADHD families
足球練習，而且你遲到了。在有多動症/注意力不足過動症的家庭中，壓力程度
[13:38] the level of stress in ADD ADHD families is very high because of the
壓力程度非常高，因為
[13:42] is very high because of the distractability, the disorganization.
非常高，因為注意力不集中、組織能力差。
[13:45] distractability, the disorganization. And the fourth one is procrastination.
注意力不集中、組織能力差。第四個是拖延症。
[13:48] And the fourth one is procrastination. They don't do things until someone's mad
第四個是拖延症。他們不做事，除非有人對他們生氣
[13:50] at them to get it done. They need stress
要他們完成。他們需要壓力
[13:54] in order to get stuff done. And that
才能把事情做完。而那
[13:58] just makes everybody around them
就讓他們周圍的每個人
[14:00] stressed. Uh, and it makes them stress
感到壓力。呃，這也讓他們感到壓力
[14:03] because, you know, they're often late
因為，你知道的，他們常常遲到
[14:05] because they actually don't start
因為他們實際上沒有開始
[14:06] getting ready until it's like, "Oh my
準備，直到他們說：「我的天啊
[14:08] god, I'm late." And then they always
我遲到了。」然後他們總是
[14:10] show up like either right on time,
準時出現，或者
[14:13] flustered, or 10 minutes late, always
慌慌張張，或者遲到十分鐘，總是
[14:16] apologizing. And that's different from
道歉。這和
[14:18] apologizing. And that's different from people who perform well under stress.
道歉。這與在壓力下表現良好的人不同。
[14:20] people who perform well under stress. This is someone who needs stress in order to perform.
在壓力下表現良好的人。這是需要壓力才能表現的人。
[14:23] In order to perform.
為了表現。
[14:24] Yeah. Right. If your child's struggling in school, make sure they're not taking their iPad to bed.
對。正確。如果您的孩子在學校學習有困難，請確保他們不要將 iPad 帶到床上。
[14:29] So often it's because kids are sleepdeprived. They look like they have ADD because parents are really not properly supervising the kids.
很多時候是因為孩子睡眠不足。他們看起來有注意力不足症，因為父母沒有 properly 監督孩子。
[14:41] You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADD.
您要排除麩質、乳製品、玉米、大豆、人工色素和甜味劑。70% 的孩子擺脫了注意力不足症。
[14:52] No way. So the first thing is not let me give you this drug in my mind. The first thing is do a digital detox and do an elimination diet and do it for a month.
不可能。所以第一件事不是讓我給你這種藥。第一件事是進行數位排毒並進行排除飲食，並持續一個月。
[15:06] Food is so important. If they really have ADD or ADHD, they're going to have it 3 months from now or four months from now.
食物非常重要。如果他們真的有注意力不足症或過動症，他們會在三個月或四個月後仍然有。
[15:15] Let's do this and see because I think if someone
讓我們試試看，因為我認為如果有人
[15:20] and see because I think if someone really has ADD, withholding medicine is really has ADD, withholding medicine is like withholding glasses from someone who can't see.
而且你看，因為我認為如果一個人真的患有多動症，扣留藥物就像是扣留眼鏡給一個看不見的人。
[15:28] And that's neglect.
那就是疏忽。
[15:31] When I first started imaging, it was on an ADD woman.
當我剛開始做影像學檢查時，對象是一位患有多動症的女性。
[15:34] So, I went into a lecture on brain spec imaging in my hospital in April 1991.
所以，我參加了我醫院裡一個關於腦SPECT影像學的講座，時間是1991年4月。
[15:39] And I walked out and I had a new patient.
然後我走出來，就得到了一位新病人。
[15:43] and her name was Sandy and she was 44 and she was beautiful and undermployed.
她的名字叫Sandy，她44歲，她很漂亮，而且工作未充分利用。
[15:48] She had an IQ of 144 and she was a lap tech and she was in the hospital because she had a suicide attempt the night before in an impulsive act when she and her husband had a fight.
她的智商有144，她是一名實驗室技術員，她住院是因為前一天晚上她衝動地自殺未遂，當時她和她的丈夫吵架了。
[15:55] And I'm like, ADD, ADD, ADD.
我心想，多動症，多動症，多動症。
[16:01] She had an 8-year-old son that had ADD.
她有一個8歲的兒子患有多動症。
[16:04] And I'm like, I think you have ADD.
我心想，我認為你有ADHD。
[16:06] And she's like, oh, adults can't have it.
她卻說，哦，成年人不會有這個病。
[16:08] And thinking to myself, but not saying it because I don't have ADD.
我心裡想，但沒有說出來，因為我沒有ADHD。
[16:11] It's like, I'm the doctor.
就像，我是醫生。
[16:12] Adults totally can have ADD.
成年人絕對可以患有多動症。
[16:15] And I said, "Can I scan you?"
我說，「我可以掃描你嗎？」
[16:18] Cuz
因為
[16:22] ADD. And I said, "Can I scan you?"
注意力不足症。我說：「我可以掃描妳嗎？」
[16:23] Cuz I've just learned about this new technology.
因為我剛學到這項新技術。
[16:26] And I scanned her twice.
我掃描了她兩次。
[16:28] Once at rest, once when she did a concentration task.
一次是休息時，一次是她進行專注任務時。
[16:33] And when she tried to concentrate, the front part of her brain shut down rather than what it should have done was turn on.
當她試圖專注時，她大腦的前部關閉了，而不是像應該要做的那樣開啟。
[16:40] And I put the This is why I love imaging.
我放了，這就是為什麼我喜歡影像學。
[16:42] I put the scans on her hospital table and I was explaining to them and she started to cry and she said, "You mean it's not my fault?"
我把掃描結果放在她的病床桌上，我正在向他們解釋，她開始哭了，她說：「妳是說這不是我的錯嗎？」
[16:55] And that's the moment I got hooked on imaging cuz I already knew the diagnosis.
那就是我對影像學產生興趣的時刻，因為我已經知道診斷結果了。
[16:59] She it immediately evaporated shame.
她，羞恥感立刻消失了。
[17:03] And then she's like, "All right, let's talk about adult ADD."
然後她說：「好吧，我們來談談成人注意力不足症。」
[17:10] and she had all of the things including the impulse control issues, but because she was so bright, she didn't bring enough negative attention to herself and never gotten the help.
她有所有症狀，包括衝動控制問題，但因為她很聰明，所以她沒有給自己帶來足夠的負面關注，也從未得到幫助。
[17:24] the help. And after I treated her, she finished college.
她的幫助。在我治療她之後，她完成了大學學業。
[17:26] She stopped picking on her husband.
她不再欺負她的丈夫。
[17:29] Because another trait that a lot of people don't understand is they become negative seeking,
因為另一個很多人不理解的特質是他們變得尋求負面，
[17:34] conflict seeking, and excitement seeking.
尋求衝突，以及尋求刺激。
[17:40] And those are all dopamined driven behavior.
而這些都是由多巴胺驅動的行為。
[17:42] So if you have a low level of dopamine, well, if you pick a fight with someone, now all of a sudden there's some excitement going on.
所以如果你有多巴胺水平低，嗯，如果你和某人吵架，現在突然之間就會有一些刺激發生。
[17:51] If you jump out of an airplane, that has a whole bunch of dopamine associated with it.
如果你從飛機上跳下來，那會與大量的多巴胺相關。
[17:56] But and I experienced this. It was that poking.
但我也經歷過這個。那是那種挑釁。
[18:00] It's like, we're going on vacation. Why are we having a problem?
就像，我們要去度假了。為什麼我們要製造問題？
[18:02] and activating their frontal loes, they're less negative.
並激活他們的前額葉，他們就不那麼消極了。
[18:08] And I'm just publishing a study on negativity bias.
我正在發表一項關於消極偏見的研究。
[18:11] So, I'm very interested in are you positive or are you negative?
所以，我非常感興趣的是你是積極的還是消極的？
[18:17] Now, unbridled positive thinking is a disaster. You die early.
現在，不受約束的積極思考是災難。你會早死。
[18:19] But negative thinking, you actually have low function
但消極思考，你實際上功能低下
[18:26] thinking, you actually have low function in your frontal loes.
思考，你的額葉功能其實很低。
[18:31] And many of the in your frontal loes.
而且我看到的許多注意力不足過動症患者，
[18:34] And many of the ADD people I see tend to see the glass as half empty and that wears on them.
傾向於看到杯子是半空，這讓他們很疲憊。
[18:39] So if we highlight the short attention span not for everything disorganization
所以，如果我們強調注意力不集中，而不是所有的事情，像是組織混亂、
[18:45] disorganization procrastination
拖延、
[18:47] procrastination impulse control it's like the break in their brain is vulnerable
衝動控制，這就像他們大腦的某個部分很脆弱，
[18:54] and they say things often that you shouldn't say.
而且他們經常說一些不該說的話。
[18:59] It's like the inside voice gets out.
就像內心的聲音跑了出來。
[19:01] They do things that it's like wish I hadn't done that.
他們做了一些事情，事後會想「我真希望我沒做過」。
[19:08] So they actually live with a lot of regret.
所以他們實際上活在很多悔恨之中。
[19:14] And your preffrontal cortex is called the executive part of the brain because it's
而你的前額葉皮質被稱為大腦的執行區，因為它
[19:17] executive part of the brain because it's like the boss at work.
就像是公司裡的頭頭。
[19:20] It's involved in focus, forethought, judgment, impulse
它涉及到專注、預想、判斷、衝動控制，
[19:27] focus, forethought, judgment, impulse control, organization, planning,
專注、預思、判斷、衝動控制、組織、規劃，
[19:29] control, organization, planning, empathy, learning from the mistakes you
控制、組織、規劃、同理心、從你犯的錯誤中學習，
[19:32] empathy, learning from the mistakes you make. And when it's sleepy,
同理心、從你犯的錯誤中學習。而且當它昏昏欲睡時，
[19:35] make. And when it's sleepy, you have all those problems which just
犯錯。而且當它昏昏欲睡時，你會有所有那些問題，這些問題簡直
[19:38] you have all those problems which just describes ADD. And um strengthening it
你會有所有那些問題，這些問題簡直描述了注意力不足症。而且，加強它
[19:45] describes ADD. And um strengthening it is critical to your humanity.
描述了注意力不足症。而且，加強它對你的人性至關重要。
[19:49] is critical to your humanity. Did you know that sociopaths have 10%
對你的人性至關重要。你知道反社會者有 10%
[19:53] Did you know that sociopaths have 10% less volume in their preffrontal cortex?
你知道反社會者有 10% 的前額葉皮層體積較小嗎？
[19:58] less volume in their preffrontal cortex? So they're a little less human, if you
體積較小的前額葉皮層？所以他們稍微不那麼像人類，如果你
[20:02] So they're a little less human, if you will. Even 10% has that impact. 10%.
這麼說的話。即使是 10% 也有那樣的影響。 10%。
[20:06] will. Even 10% has that impact. 10%. It's huge. And this is why you should
說的。即使是 10% 也有那樣的影響。 10%。這太大了。這就是為什麼你應該
[20:09] It's huge. And this is why you should never let a child hit a soccer ball with
這太大了。這就是為什麼你應該永遠不要讓孩子用他們的額頭去頂足球，
[20:12] never let a child hit a soccer ball with their forehead. It's just so stupid. And
永遠不要讓孩子用他們的額頭去頂足球。這真是太愚蠢了。而且
[20:16] their forehead. It's just so stupid. And like I'm not a huge fan of allowing kids
他們的額頭。這真是太愚蠢了。而且，我不是那種很贊成讓孩子
[20:18] like I'm not a huge fan of allowing kids to play tackle football because it's
我不是那種很贊成讓孩子們玩擒抱式橄欖球，因為它
[20:21] to play tackle football because it's more likely to damage the part of them
玩擒抱式橄欖球，因為它更有可能損壞他們身上的那個部分
[20:25] more likely to damage the part of them that
更有可能損壞他們身上的那個部分，那個
[20:27] that is the boss. And people who have ADD are
[20:31] is the boss. And people who have ADD are often executives of their own companies
[20:35] often executives of their own companies because they don't work well often with
[20:38] because they don't work well often with other people. And so they're
[20:40] other people. And so they're entrepreneurial and some wildly famous
[20:44] entrepreneurial and some wildly famous people have said they had ADD like the
[20:48] people have said they had ADD like the person who started JetBlue. He was
[20:51] person who started JetBlue. He was public with that. It can look false. It
[20:54] public with that. It can look false. It can be masquerade. you have ADD because
[20:57] can be masquerade. you have ADD because your parents gave you an iPhone when you
[21:00] your parents gave you an iPhone when you were a year old. And I think we're
[21:01] were a year old. And I think we're wising up. That's not a good thing to
[21:04] wising up. That's not a good thing to do. But still,
[21:06] do. But still, children should not have smartphones
[21:09] children should not have smartphones until they're 15, 16. Social media.
[21:13] until they're 15, 16. Social media. Australia banned social media under 16.
[21:17] Australia banned social media under 16. I think that's so great, right? Taking
[21:20] I think that's so great, right? Taking the neuroscience and making it public
[21:22] the neuroscience and making it public policy. California, you can't start
[21:24] policy. California, you can't start school in the morning before 8:00.
[21:27] school in the morning before 8:00. Taking the what we know with
[21:29] Taking the what we know with neuroscience, kids who get just an hour
[21:31] neuroscience, kids who get just an hour less sleep have a higher incidence of
[21:35] less sleep have a higher incidence of depression and suicide. So, all right,
[21:38] depression and suicide. So, all right, cut out the zero periods. I love that
[21:40] cut out the zero periods. I love that neuroscience and then public policy. Do
[21:43] neuroscience and then public policy. Do we know what causes ADHD? It's genetic.
[21:47] we know what causes ADHD? It's genetic. people are not producing
[21:50] people are not producing enough dopamine and the medicines we use
[21:53] enough dopamine and the medicines we use like rolin or aderall they increase the
[21:57] like rolin or aderall they increase the availability of dopamine now the problem
[22:01] availability of dopamine now the problem is is if you don't really have it what
[22:03] is is if you don't really have it what you have is society induced ADHD the
[22:06] you have is society induced ADHD the medicine will disrupt you and make you
[22:08] medicine will disrupt you and make you worse and early on I realized when I
[22:12] worse and early on I realized when I scanned people cuz I've scanned 30 or
[22:15] scanned people cuz I've scanned 30 or 40,000 people who have ADD of one type
[22:19] 40,000 people who have ADD of one type or another. It's not one thing. Early
[22:22] or another. It's not one thing. Early on, I'm like, "Oh, it's seven different
[22:25] on, I'm like, "Oh, it's seven different things." And so, my book, Healing ADD, I
[22:29] things." And so, my book, Healing ADD, I talk about seeing heal the seven types.
[22:32] talk about seeing heal the seven types. And so, can I talk about the type? That
[22:35] And so, can I talk about the type? That I was just about to ask my next
[22:36] I was just about to ask my next question. You you're already you're
[22:38] question. You you're already you're already one step ahead of me. So, let me
[22:40] already one step ahead of me. So, let me let me ask you. So, type one is the
[22:41] let me ask you. So, type one is the classic most people think of ADHD. short
[22:45] classic most people think of ADHD. short attention span, distractability,
[22:46] attention span, distractability, disorganization, impulsivity, and
[22:49] disorganization, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They can't sit still. And
[22:53] hyperactivity. They can't sit still. And one of my kids when she was born, we
[22:57] one of my kids when she was born, we thought she was going to be a boy
[22:58] thought she was going to be a boy because in her mother's womb, she was so
[23:01] because in her mother's womb, she was so active. And the lore is the more active
[23:03] active. And the lore is the more active a baby is inside their mother, the more
[23:05] a baby is inside their mother, the more likely they are to be a boy. She wasn't.
[23:07] likely they are to be a boy. She wasn't. When I held her older sister, we could
[23:10] When I held her older sister, we could watch movies. She'd sit on my lap. She
[23:14] watch movies. She'd sit on my lap. She was just calm. Her sister when he tried
[23:16] was just calm. Her sister when he tried to hold her was like trying to hold a
[23:18] to hold her was like trying to hold a live salmon. She's so wiggly. And then I
[23:21] live salmon. She's so wiggly. And then I take her to the mall. She would have
[23:24] take her to the mall. She would have been one of those children on the little
[23:25] been one of those children on the little yellow leashes, the big bird leashes in
[23:28] yellow leashes, the big bird leashes in the mall. But I wrote a column in the
[23:30] the mall. But I wrote a column in the local newspaper. So when I went to the
[23:32] local newspaper. So when I went to the mall, people recognized me. It's like,
[23:34] mall, people recognized me. It's like, Dr. Ammon, I loved your column. Why is
[23:36] Dr. Ammon, I loved your column. Why is your child on a leash? So, what I used
[23:38] your child on a leash? So, what I used to do with Kaitlyn is put her in her
[23:41] to do with Kaitlyn is put her in her stroller and tie her shoes together so
[23:44] stroller and tie her shoes together so she couldn't get out cuz she's like,
[23:46] she couldn't get out cuz she's like, "Where are you going?" And I remember
[23:49] "Where are you going?" And I remember just holding her hand. I take my little
[23:51] just holding her hand. I take my little pinky and wrap it around her wrist
[23:54] pinky and wrap it around her wrist because and I had spiritual problems
[23:56] because and I had spiritual problems because of this child. We would go to
[23:58] because of this child. We would go to church and I don't know why Catholics
[24:00] church and I don't know why Catholics take children into church rather than,
[24:03] take children into church rather than, you know, send them to children's
[24:05] you know, send them to children's church. But anyways, she was so active
[24:08] church. But anyways, she was so active and blurting out and I'm like the only
[24:12] and blurting out and I'm like the only child psychiatrist in the county and if
[24:16] child psychiatrist in the county and if my child is the worst one that's bad for
[24:20] my child is the worst one that's bad for business. So I used to take her out and
[24:23] business. So I used to take her out and threaten her life and now I'm worried
[24:25] threaten her life and now I'm worried about her eternal soul. and I adore her
[24:28] about her eternal soul. and I adore her and she's 37 now and Haven is just like
[24:33] and she's 37 now and Haven is just like her, which is, you know, my six-year-old
[24:35] her, which is, you know, my six-year-old granddaughter is just like her. It's
[24:39] granddaughter is just like her. It's genetic. And when we first got her
[24:43] genetic. And when we first got her diagnosed, the doctor who was really
[24:45] diagnosed, the doctor who was really great looked at me and then looked at
[24:49] great looked at me and then looked at her mother and goes, "So, who has this
[24:51] her mother and goes, "So, who has this cuz it's genetic." And I'm like, "It's
[24:53] cuz it's genetic." And I'm like, "It's not me. I do everything early." now
[24:56] not me. I do everything early." now written 42 books. Every one of them's
[24:58] written 42 books. Every one of them's been handed in early. And her mom goes,
[25:00] been handed in early. And her mom goes, "It's not me." But then I was so
[25:02] "It's not me." But then I was so grateful cuz it took her like 12 years
[25:05] grateful cuz it took her like 12 years to get through college. And she just she
[25:08] to get through college. And she just she asked her this one question. This is a
[25:10] asked her this one question. This is a great adult ADD question cuz she was
[25:13] great adult ADD question cuz she was still in college at the time. She goes,
[25:14] still in college at the time. She goes, "How do you study?" She goes, "Oh, I can
[25:16] "How do you study?" She goes, "Oh, I can never study at home. I get so
[25:18] never study at home. I get so distracted." I go inside my little car
[25:21] distracted." I go inside my little car underneath a street lamp. No kids, no
[25:24] underneath a street lamp. No kids, no noise, nothing. there I can study and
[25:26] noise, nothing. there I can study and the doctor goes you have ADD
[25:29] the doctor goes you have ADD it was very helpful for me and for her
[25:33] it was very helpful for me and for her that's type one that's type one classic
[25:37] that's type one that's type one classic type two is inattentive ADD
[25:41] type two is inattentive ADD short attention span distractability
[25:45] short attention span distractability disorganized procrastinate but they're
[25:48] disorganized procrastinate but they're not impulsive and more common in girls
[25:52] not impulsive and more common in girls they're not hyperactive in fact they can
[25:54] they're not hyperactive in fact they can a little bit hypo active. And those
[25:58] a little bit hypo active. And those first two types were described in the
[26:01] first two types were described in the DSM when they first created this
[26:04] DSM when they first created this diagnostic category in 1980. I describe
[26:08] diagnostic category in 1980. I describe the next five types. The third one is
[26:11] the next five types. The third one is overfocused ADD where the problem is not
[26:14] overfocused ADD where the problem is not so much you can't concentrate,
[26:17] so much you can't concentrate, it's you can't shift your attention that
[26:20] it's you can't shift your attention that you get stuck. And if you can't shift
[26:23] you get stuck. And if you can't shift your attention, you cannot pay
[26:25] your attention, you cannot pay attention. But it's a different
[26:28] attention. But it's a different mechanism. And I found this to be a
[26:30] mechanism. And I found this to be a particularly true in children and
[26:32] particularly true in children and grandchildren of alcoholics. And they
[26:36] grandchildren of alcoholics. And they tend to be argumentative,
[26:38] tend to be argumentative, oppositional
[26:39] oppositional worry. If things don't go their way,
[26:42] worry. If things don't go their way, they get upset. And on the surface, they
[26:45] they get upset. And on the surface, they appear selfish. They're really not
[26:48] appear selfish. They're really not selfish. they're just not flexible and
[26:53] selfish. they're just not flexible and stimulants tend to make them more
[26:56] stimulants tend to make them more worried and more upset. Type four is
[27:00] worried and more upset. Type four is called limbic ADD. It's where their
[27:02] called limbic ADD. It's where their emotional brain is too busy and it's
[27:05] emotional brain is too busy and it's sort of like ADD plus
[27:09] sort of like ADD plus mild depression and the glass is always
[27:12] mild depression and the glass is always half empty for them. Type five I think
[27:15] half empty for them. Type five I think is such an interesting one is temporal
[27:17] is such an interesting one is temporal lobe ADD. They have problems in one or
[27:19] lobe ADD. They have problems in one or both of their temporal loes. Often goes
[27:21] both of their temporal loes. Often goes with learning problems, but mood
[27:24] with learning problems, but mood instability, irritability, temper
[27:27] instability, irritability, temper problems. One of my first great cases
[27:29] problems. One of my first great cases was Chris. He his third psychiatric
[27:32] was Chris. He his third psychiatric hospitalization. This time he took a
[27:35] hospitalization. This time he took a pencil and put it in the neck of one of
[27:37] pencil and put it in the neck of one of his classmates. Stimulants made him
[27:40] his classmates. Stimulants made him hallucinate uh all the other medicines.
[27:43] hallucinate uh all the other medicines. And I'm like, I'm scanning you. And he
[27:46] And I'm like, I'm scanning you. And he had left problem. which goes with
[27:49] had left problem. which goes with violence. I put him on an
[27:50] violence. I put him on an anti-combulsant, an anti-seizure
[27:53] anti-combulsant, an anti-seizure medicine, became the sweetest kid. And
[27:56] medicine, became the sweetest kid. And then he still had trouble concentrating.
[27:58] then he still had trouble concentrating. So then after I got the temporal
[28:00] So then after I got the temporal override, I gave him a stimulant.
[28:02] override, I gave him a stimulant. Masterful. I mean, this kid just did
[28:04] Masterful. I mean, this kid just did phenomenally
[28:06] phenomenally well. And then the ring of fire, that's
[28:09] well. And then the ring of fire, that's one I may be most known for. The problem
[28:11] one I may be most known for. The problem is not low activity, it's too much
[28:14] is not low activity, it's too much activity. Please don't give them a
[28:15] activity. Please don't give them a stimulant because they can become
[28:18] stimulant because they can become violent and aggressive. Actually use a
[28:20] violent and aggressive. Actually use a supplement to calm things down in their
[28:23] supplement to calm things down in their brain. Very effective. Then the last
[28:25] brain. Very effective. Then the last one's anxious ADD where they're really
[28:29] one's anxious ADD where they're really anxious and so they tend to be early to
[28:32] anxious and so they tend to be early to things but disorganized, distracted, so
[28:35] things but disorganized, distracted, so on. So knowing the type and that's why
[28:38] on. So knowing the type and that's why rolin has a bad reputation for the right
[28:42] rolin has a bad reputation for the right brain it's miraculous for the wrong
[28:46] brain it's miraculous for the wrong brain it's a nightmare a lot of people
[28:48] brain it's a nightmare a lot of people who have ADHD say they feel emotions
[28:51] who have ADHD say they feel emotions much more strongly and deeply can they
[28:54] much more strongly and deeply can they start to regulate their emotions is
[28:56] start to regulate their emotions is there a way to do that or is that
[28:58] there a way to do that or is that medication well and sometimes with the
[28:59] medication well and sometimes with the medicine they don't like it because it
[29:01] medicine they don't like it because it feels like it suppresses their emotions
[29:04] feels like it suppresses their emotions interesting And my daughter Caitlyn when
[29:08] interesting And my daughter Caitlyn when I put her on rolin cuz she was
[29:12] I put her on rolin cuz she was hyperactive and then she was
[29:15] hyperactive and then she was dramatically less hyperactive. But I
[29:17] dramatically less hyperactive. But I found I had to titrate the dose down
[29:20] found I had to titrate the dose down because I could see it putting a lid on
[29:23] because I could see it putting a lid on her personality, which is not what you
[29:25] her personality, which is not what you want to do. And so often you want to
[29:28] want to do. And so often you want to work with someone who's really
[29:29] work with someone who's really knowledgeable to titrate the dose up and
[29:33] knowledgeable to titrate the dose up and down effectively. If you're a baseball
[29:38] down effectively. If you're a baseball player, so just thinking of athletes,
[29:41] player, so just thinking of athletes, the medicine gives you a better batting
[29:43] the medicine gives you a better batting average. If you're a linebacker in
[29:45] average. If you're a linebacker in football, you might be a little bit less
[29:47] football, you might be a little bit less aggressive
[29:49] aggressive because you're more thoughtful, right?
[29:51] because you're more thoughtful, right? So if you want to play with abandon, you
[29:54] So if you want to play with abandon, you probably don't want a stimulant. on
[29:56] probably don't want a stimulant. on board. But I find for some of my
[29:59] board. But I find for some of my professional athletes, they're just much
[30:03] professional athletes, they're just much more focused and less likely to get
[30:05] more focused and less likely to get technical fouls because they're not a
[30:08] technical fouls because they're not a hotthead. And when you see the world
[30:09] hotthead. And when you see the world like I see it and you're watching, you
[30:12] like I see it and you're watching, you know, someone have a meltdown on the
[30:13] know, someone have a meltdown on the court, I'm like, I wonder what's going
[30:14] court, I'm like, I wonder what's going on in that person's brain, right? Rather
[30:17] on in that person's brain, right? Rather than just judge them is bad. I haven't
[30:20] than just judge them is bad. I haven't scanned Draymond Green, but I want to. I
[30:22] scanned Draymond Green, but I want to. I saw a study that found that children
[30:25] saw a study that found that children with untreated ADHD are nearly twice as
[30:29] with untreated ADHD are nearly twice as likely to develop an alcohol use
[30:31] likely to develop an alcohol use disorder or other substance abuse
[30:34] disorder or other substance abuse problem. Why is that? Because of the
[30:36] problem. Why is that? Because of the lack of impulse control and they don't
[30:38] lack of impulse control and they don't like how they feel. Right? If you've
[30:41] like how they feel. Right? If you've been told every day to settle down or
[30:44] been told every day to settle down or you've brought negative attention to
[30:46] you've brought negative attention to yourself over time, it activates
[30:51] yourself over time, it activates your emotional brain and you want to
[30:56] your emotional brain and you want to settle it down and you don't have good
[30:57] settle it down and you don't have good forethought or good impulse control and
[31:00] forethought or good impulse control and you're more likely to drink and it's
[31:04] you're more likely to drink and it's just so prevalent. Plus with society.
[31:07] just so prevalent. Plus with society. During the Super Bowl, there were 30
[31:09] During the Super Bowl, there were 30 beer commercials and the rest of them
[31:12] beer commercials and the rest of them were Jack in the Box, right? So, it's
[31:14] were Jack in the Box, right? So, it's like we we're just being flooded with
[31:17] like we we're just being flooded with these awful messages that take people
[31:19] these awful messages that take people who have ADD, make them more ADD, and
[31:22] who have ADD, make them more ADD, and then they engage in habits that aren't
[31:25] then they engage in habits that aren't helpful. Do you think there should be a
[31:26] helpful. Do you think there should be a ban on alcohol advertisements as much as
[31:29] ban on alcohol advertisements as much as there is obviously on smoking? Like,
[31:32] there is obviously on smoking? Like, yeah, it's not a health food. I mean,
[31:33] yeah, it's not a health food. I mean, the American Cancer Society came out
[31:36] the American Cancer Society came out three years ago and said you shouldn't
[31:39] three years ago and said you shouldn't drink because it increases your risk of
[31:42] drink because it increases your risk of seven different types of cancer. The
[31:45] seven different types of cancer. The surgeon general last year said we should
[31:47] surgeon general last year said we should put alcohol cancer warning label signs
[31:51] put alcohol cancer warning label signs on alcohol. I think when you just look
[31:54] on alcohol. I think when you just look at our society from the digital
[31:56] at our society from the digital addictions and social media and
[32:00] addictions and social media and technology to the bad food, the
[32:03] technology to the bad food, the ultrarocessed food that so many people
[32:05] ultrarocessed food that so many people that's 80 or 90% of their diet to
[32:09] that's 80 or 90% of their diet to marijuana is innocuous which is a
[32:12] marijuana is innocuous which is a complete lie. Alcohol is a health food.
[32:15] complete lie. Alcohol is a health food. No. And now the big new thing is
[32:18] No. And now the big new thing is psilocybin. It's great medicine. And
[32:21] psilocybin. It's great medicine. And it's an anti-depressant. It'll treat
[32:23] it's an anti-depressant. It'll treat your PTSD
[32:24] your PTSD and it's increased
[32:28] and it's increased psychosis to emergency rooms 300%.
[32:32] psychosis to emergency rooms 300%. It is not innocuous. Now, might it
[32:35] It is not innocuous. Now, might it become a a good treatment? I don't know.
[32:38] become a a good treatment? I don't know. But I feel like I've seen this party
[32:41] But I feel like I've seen this party before, right? One of the big benefits
[32:43] before, right? One of the big benefits of being 70 is you've seen lots of
[32:45] of being 70 is you've seen lots of things. The early 80s, benzo are
[32:49] things. The early 80s, benzo are innocuous. their mommy little helper. We
[32:51] innocuous. their mommy little helper. We know benzo are highly addictive and
[32:53] know benzo are highly addictive and increased the risk of dementia. The
[32:57] increased the risk of dementia. The early 90s alcohol is good for your
[32:59] early 90s alcohol is good for your heart. You should drink. It's a lie. You
[33:01] heart. You should drink. It's a lie. You shouldn't drink. It increases your risk
[33:03] shouldn't drink. It increases your risk of stupidity and cancer, right? And if
[33:07] of stupidity and cancer, right? And if you're ADD and you have sleepy frontal
[33:09] you're ADD and you have sleepy frontal loes, now you drink, you have sleepier
[33:10] loes, now you drink, you have sleepier frontal loes, still not a good thing.
[33:14] frontal loes, still not a good thing. And then pain is the fifth vital sign,
[33:17] And then pain is the fifth vital sign, right? The Purdue Pharmaceuticals came
[33:20] right? The Purdue Pharmaceuticals came out with let's let's get more people to
[33:23] out with let's let's get more people to take opiates and came out with these
[33:25] take opiates and came out with these campaigns and spent billions of dollars
[33:27] campaigns and spent billions of dollars on marketing and it was a disaster. And
[33:32] on marketing and it was a disaster. And then the whole marijuana is innocuous
[33:34] then the whole marijuana is innocuous during not this presidential campaign,
[33:37] during not this presidential campaign, the last one. Joe Biden was debating and
[33:42] the last one. Joe Biden was debating and they asked him, "Should the federal
[33:44] they asked him, "Should the federal government legalize marijuana?" And he
[33:46] government legalize marijuana?" And he said, "No, I don't think there's enough
[33:48] said, "No, I don't think there's enough research." And Cy Booker, the senator
[33:51] research." And Cy Booker, the senator from New Jersey, shames him on national
[33:55] from New Jersey, shames him on national television and he said, "Man, are you
[33:59] television and he said, "Man, are you high like the science is settled." Well,
[34:04] high like the science is settled." Well, as more places legalize it, the science
[34:08] as more places legalize it, the science is getting settled. It's bad for us,
[34:11] is getting settled. It's bad for us, right? If you use as a teenager, it
[34:14] right? If you use as a teenager, it increases anxiety, depression,
[34:17] increases anxiety, depression, psychosis, and suicide in your 20s. I
[34:20] psychosis, and suicide in your 20s. I published a study on a thousand
[34:22] published a study on a thousand marijuana users. Every area of the brain
[34:25] marijuana users. Every area of the brain is lower in blood flow. And I got so
[34:29] is lower in blood flow. And I got so much grief for it. And two months ago in
[34:31] much grief for it. And two months ago in Jamama psychiatry
[34:33] Jamama psychiatry on a thousand marijuana users the memory
[34:36] on a thousand marijuana users the memory and learning centers are lower in blood
[34:39] and learning centers are lower in blood flow and activity. This is not
[34:41] flow and activity. This is not innocuous.
[34:43] innocuous. It's all these lies that then increase
[34:46] It's all these lies that then increase the expression of ADD. And so you know
[34:51] the expression of ADD. And so you know how do you know? You look at someone's
[34:53] how do you know? You look at someone's history over time, right? All of us have
[34:57] history over time, right? All of us have ADD moments, but that's not ADD. Having
[35:01] ADD moments, but that's not ADD. Having ADD is these hallmark symptoms have
[35:05] ADD is these hallmark symptoms have followed you most of your life. So for
[35:08] followed you most of your life. So for parents who are listening right now and
[35:10] parents who are listening right now and they're starting to see a young child
[35:12] they're starting to see a young child maybe have one of the types or some of
[35:15] maybe have one of the types or some of the symptoms, what would you encourage
[35:17] the symptoms, what would you encourage them to do? You know, I have a free
[35:18] them to do? You know, I have a free online test called addypetest.com.
[35:22] online test called addypetest.com. they could take that for people if
[35:25] they could take that for people if you've been struggling and it's like you
[35:28] you've been struggling and it's like you really believe it's not just
[35:30] really believe it's not just environmental right I mean the first
[35:33] environmental right I mean the first thing if your child's struggling in
[35:34] thing if your child's struggling in school make sure they're not taking
[35:37] school make sure they're not taking their iPad to bed so often it's because
[35:40] their iPad to bed so often it's because kids are sleepdeprived they look like
[35:42] kids are sleepdeprived they look like they have ADD because parents are really
[35:45] they have ADD because parents are really not properly supervising the kids do a
[35:49] not properly supervising the kids do a digital detox and then I have to say
[35:52] digital detox and then I have to say this because there's this great study
[35:54] this because there's this great study published in the Lancet replicated that
[35:58] published in the Lancet replicated that when you put kids on an elimination
[36:00] when you put kids on an elimination diet. So what does that mean? You
[36:02] diet. So what does that mean? You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy,
[36:05] eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of
[36:09] artificial dyes, and sweeteners. 70% of the kids lost their ADD. No way. So the
[36:13] the kids lost their ADD. No way. So the first thing is not let me give you this
[36:17] first thing is not let me give you this drug. In my mind, the first thing is do
[36:20] drug. In my mind, the first thing is do a digital detox. and do an elimination
[36:23] a digital detox. and do an elimination diet and do it for a month. And I was
[36:25] diet and do it for a month. And I was like, "Oh, I can't do that." It's like,
[36:26] like, "Oh, I can't do that." It's like, "It's not that hard." My wife, Tana,
[36:29] "It's not that hard." My wife, Tana, wrote a cookbook, Healing ADD at Home
[36:31] wrote a cookbook, Healing ADD at Home Through Food, or The Brain Warriors Way.
[36:34] Through Food, or The Brain Warriors Way. That's her big cookbook. It's been
[36:36] That's her big cookbook. It's been reprinted like 53 times. I'm so proud of
[36:39] reprinted like 53 times. I'm so proud of her. And find foods the kids love that
[36:43] her. And find foods the kids love that love them back. Food is so important. Do
[36:49] love them back. Food is so important. Do that first. And I always tell I'm like,
[36:51] that first. And I always tell I'm like, "Look, if they really have ADD or ADHD,
[36:55] "Look, if they really have ADD or ADHD, they're going to have it 3 months from
[36:57] they're going to have it 3 months from now or 4 months from now. Let's do this
[37:01] now or 4 months from now. Let's do this and see." I have an online course called
[37:04] and see." I have an online course called Healing ADD at home in 30 days. And it's
[37:07] Healing ADD at home in 30 days. And it's basically before you give them medicine,
[37:10] basically before you give them medicine, do these things first. And it's so
[37:15] do these things first. And it's so helpful. Why does changing our diet
[37:18] helpful. Why does changing our diet affect ADHD? Why does removing gluten,
[37:22] affect ADHD? Why does removing gluten, removing processed foods, etc. Why does
[37:25] removing processed foods, etc. Why does that impact it? Your brain is 2% about
[37:29] that impact it? Your brain is 2% about your body's weight. It uses 20 to 30% of
[37:33] your body's weight. It uses 20 to 30% of the calories you consume. And so if you
[37:36] the calories you consume. And so if you have a fast food diet, you're likely to
[37:39] have a fast food diet, you're likely to have a fast food mind. And both gluten
[37:44] have a fast food mind. And both gluten and dairy when they go to your stomach
[37:48] and dairy when they go to your stomach when it mixes with stomach acid, it
[37:51] when it mixes with stomach acid, it turns into something called
[37:53] turns into something called glutiomorphins
[37:55] glutiomorphins which work on the heroin centers or the
[37:58] which work on the heroin centers or the opiate centers of your brain and it just
[38:00] opiate centers of your brain and it just sort of spaces you out. For milk, it's
[38:04] sort of spaces you out. For milk, it's quomorphins
[38:06] quomorphins and it's why we love pizza. If you think
[38:09] and it's why we love pizza. If you think of gluten and dairy, right, it's pizza.
[38:12] of gluten and dairy, right, it's pizza. Um, but it's also why you feel spacey
[38:16] Um, but it's also why you feel spacey afterwards. And too often, what do we
[38:18] afterwards. And too often, what do we feed kids? Like when I was growing up,
[38:21] feed kids? Like when I was growing up, it was frosted flakes or Pop-Tarts or a
[38:25] it was frosted flakes or Pop-Tarts or a muffin or donuts. And if you get a sugar
[38:30] muffin or donuts. And if you get a sugar burst, well, a half an hour later, your
[38:33] burst, well, a half an hour later, your brain is walking in mud. And yet that's
[38:36] brain is walking in mud. And yet that's what we feed children in the morning.
[38:38] what we feed children in the morning. ADD kids who have protein in the
[38:41] ADD kids who have protein in the morning, their medicine works longer
[38:44] morning, their medicine works longer throughout the day. And so in the 50s,
[38:48] throughout the day. And so in the 50s, you know, we grow up with bacon and eggs
[38:52] you know, we grow up with bacon and eggs and much better than the processed
[38:57] and much better than the processed cereals. I love your thoughts on how to
[39:00] cereals. I love your thoughts on how to do it before we get to medicine, like
[39:03] do it before we get to medicine, like before we get to medication. looking at
[39:05] before we get to medication. looking at technology, looking at our diet and and
[39:09] technology, looking at our diet and and that way you could potentially save
[39:11] that way you could potentially save yourself from having to go down the
[39:12] yourself from having to go down the medicine route, right? And then parents
[39:14] medicine route, right? And then parents who are generally resistant to the idea
[39:18] who are generally resistant to the idea of medicine and perhaps more so than
[39:22] of medicine and perhaps more so than they should be because I think if
[39:25] they should be because I think if someone really has ADD, withholding
[39:29] someone really has ADD, withholding medicine is like withholding glasses
[39:32] medicine is like withholding glasses from someone who can't see. And that's
[39:36] from someone who can't see. And that's neglect. And we're we're in this
[39:38] neglect. And we're we're in this society, right? The more educated you
[39:40] society, right? The more educated you are, it's like, "Oh, no. I'd never give
[39:43] are, it's like, "Oh, no. I'd never give my child medicine. And then all of a
[39:45] my child medicine. And then all of a sudden you see they're failing in
[39:48] sudden you see they're failing in school. And if you struggle in school,
[39:50] school. And if you struggle in school, you begin to hang out with the other
[39:54] you begin to hang out with the other kids who are struggling, which may not
[39:56] kids who are struggling, which may not be ultimately in their best interest. If
[40:00] be ultimately in their best interest. If you haven't been diagnosed by the time
[40:03] you haven't been diagnosed by the time you're 10, odds are your self-esteem has
[40:07] you're 10, odds are your self-esteem has been negatively impacted because people
[40:10] been negatively impacted because people have said repeatedly to you, you're
[40:14] have said repeatedly to you, you're smarter than this. You could do better
[40:16] smarter than this. You could do better than this, try harder. But what I show
[40:19] than this, try harder. But what I show on the scans when they try to
[40:21] on the scans when they try to concentrate, their brain drops in
[40:23] concentrate, their brain drops in activity. In fact, the harder they try,
[40:28] activity. In fact, the harder they try, the worse it gets. Why is that? Because
[40:31] the worse it gets. Why is that? Because their brain is turning off when it
[40:34] their brain is turning off when it should be the frontal lobe turning on
[40:36] should be the frontal lobe turning on their frontal lobe. If you don't have
[40:38] their frontal lobe. If you don't have enough dopamine to keep your frontal
[40:41] enough dopamine to keep your frontal lobe engaged,
[40:44] lobe engaged, it sort of withers with effort. And what
[40:47] it sort of withers with effort. And what does that teach you? To give up. It's
[40:50] does that teach you? To give up. It's this idea of learned helplessness.
[40:53] this idea of learned helplessness. There's a psychologist who's really
[40:55] There's a psychologist who's really famous, Marty Seligman. You probably
[40:58] famous, Marty Seligman. You probably know of him because he's famous for
[40:59] know of him because he's famous for positive psychology. He helped start
[41:01] positive psychology. He helped start that movement. Uh but he was way famous
[41:04] that movement. Uh but he was way famous before then because he coined this term
[41:07] before then because he coined this term learned helplessness. And with
[41:09] learned helplessness. And with depression, it's like you try and it
[41:11] depression, it's like you try and it doesn't work. You try and it doesn't
[41:13] doesn't work. You try and it doesn't work. You try and it doesn't work. And
[41:15] work. You try and it doesn't work. And then you say to hell with it and you
[41:17] then you say to hell with it and you stop trying. And that happens with so
[41:19] stop trying. And that happens with so many people who have ADD. In fact, when
[41:23] many people who have ADD. In fact, when I diagnose and treat an adult woman, a
[41:27] I diagnose and treat an adult woman, a common scenario,
[41:29] common scenario, uh, she brings her hyperactive son to me
[41:32] uh, she brings her hyperactive son to me and I'm like, where did this come from?
[41:34] and I'm like, where did this come from? And say, it comes from the mom and then
[41:38] And say, it comes from the mom and then I treat her. She gets dramatically
[41:41] I treat her. She gets dramatically better and then she gets depressed
[41:43] better and then she gets depressed because she starts thinking about what
[41:47] because she starts thinking about what would my life have been like if someone
[41:50] would my life have been like if someone would have noticed this if I would have
[41:53] would have noticed this if I would have been treated. Now that's you don't give
[41:56] been treated. Now that's you don't give her an anti-depressant for that. you
[41:58] her an anti-depressant for that. you like do grief work with her and like
[42:01] like do grief work with her and like okay but now you know so your son
[42:03] okay but now you know so your son doesn't have to go through this and
[42:07] doesn't have to go through this and you don't want to argue with the past
[42:09] you don't want to argue with the past you want to look forward have you seen
[42:11] you want to look forward have you seen people break the cycle as we're talking
[42:13] people break the cycle as we're talking about it's genetically passed down if
[42:15] about it's genetically passed down if you saw in your parents have you seen
[42:18] you saw in your parents have you seen that be possible is it possible to break
[42:20] that be possible is it possible to break the cycle completely so that you don't
[42:22] the cycle completely so that you don't pass it on you know I I think so but
[42:25] pass it on you know I I think so but we're starting at such a disadvantage
[42:27] we're starting at such a disadvantage age. And you know, as I think because
[42:31] age. And you know, as I think because you know, my real passion in life is to
[42:33] you know, my real passion in life is to create a brain health revolution.
[42:36] create a brain health revolution. And where would that start? It has to
[42:40] And where would that start? It has to start with kids before they have babies.
[42:43] start with kids before they have babies. Because when that mother was born, she
[42:47] Because when that mother was born, she was born with all of the eggs in her
[42:50] was born with all of the eggs in her ovaries she will ever have. And so if
[42:55] ovaries she will ever have. And so if we're going to help her children be
[42:58] we're going to help her children be healthier, we have to get to her when
[43:00] healthier, we have to get to her when she's a child and help her make really
[43:04] she's a child and help her make really good decisions when she's a teenager.
[43:09] good decisions when she's a teenager. And too often parents go, "Oh, I don't
[43:12] And too often parents go, "Oh, I don't have control." And they abdicate their
[43:15] have control." And they abdicate their parental role over teenagers on who they
[43:18] parental role over teenagers on who they hang out with and what they eat. and you
[43:21] hang out with and what they eat. and you know, we're not drinking together and
[43:23] know, we're not drinking together and we're not smoking pot together and you
[43:26] we're not smoking pot together and you know, like all the insanity that's going
[43:28] know, like all the insanity that's going on in our society today. I think we have
[43:31] on in our society today. I think we have to get to their ovaries early because if
[43:37] to get to their ovaries early because if you're born with all of the eggs you'll
[43:38] you're born with all of the eggs you'll ever have, whatever you do in life turns
[43:42] ever have, whatever you do in life turns on or off certain genes, making illness
[43:46] on or off certain genes, making illness more or less likely in you. Yes. But
[43:50] more or less likely in you. Yes. But also your babies and grandbabies. So
[43:53] also your babies and grandbabies. So that's how we decrease the incidence is
[43:57] that's how we decrease the incidence is we get mom and dad cuz his sperm really
[44:01] we get mom and dad cuz his sperm really matters to be as healthy as possible.
[44:06] matters to be as healthy as possible. [Music]
[44:07] [Music] If you love this episode, you'll enjoy
[44:09] If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Aemon on
[44:12] my interview with Dr. Daniel Aemon on how to change your life by changing your
[44:14] how to change your life by changing your brain. If we want a healthy mind, it
[44:18] brain. If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain.
[44:21] actually starts with a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or the
[44:23] You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over a thousand convicted
[44:27] curse to scan over a thousand convicted felons and over a hundred murderers and
[44:30] felons and over a hundred murderers and their brains are very damaged.
