Pierre Poilievre: The Economy Is About to Collapse! America Is Making a Huge Mistake!

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[00:00] Trump threw the election and then
[00:01] Trump threw the election and then thereafter said that
[00:02] thereafter said that >> Canada should honestly become our 51st
[00:05] Canada should honestly become our 51st state [laughter]
[00:07] state [laughter] >> which is never going to happen.
[00:09] which is never going to happen. >> Pierre Polyv, leader of his majesty's
[00:11] Pierre Polyv, leader of his majesty's loyal opposition.
[00:13] loyal opposition. There's a significant probability that you could be Canada's
[00:14] probability that you could be Canada's next leader and your team said I can ask
[00:17] next leader and your team said I can ask you whatever I want.
[00:18] you whatever I want. >> Okay.
[00:19] Okay. >> So it appears that the United States
[00:21] So it appears that the United States have made the decision to kind of go it
[00:22] have made the decision to kind of go it alone in the world
[00:23] alone in the world >> and that is a very big strategic
[00:25] and that is a very big strategic mistake. In Canada's case, we have
[00:27] mistake. In Canada's case, we have everything the United States needs if
[00:29] everything the United States needs if they treat us like a friend. So, for
[00:30] they treat us like a friend. So, for example, we have the fourth biggest
[00:32] example, we have the fourth biggest supply of oil. And if you look at the
[00:34] supply of oil. And if you look at the leading five, which of these countries
[00:36] leading five, which of these countries do you think the United States can most
[00:38] do you think the United States can most rely on?
[00:39] rely on? >> And I'm looking at the third vial there
[00:40] And I'm looking at the third vial there in the row, Iran.
[00:41] in the row, Iran. >> Mhm.
[00:42] Mhm. >> Has Trump taken the right course of
[00:43] Has Trump taken the right course of action?
[00:44] action? >> The Iranian government has been
[00:45] The Iranian government has been extremely hostile and very dangerous to
[00:47] extremely hostile and very dangerous to Canada. [music] They are the leading
[00:48] Canada. [music] They are the leading world sponsor of terrorism. And there's
[00:51] world sponsor of terrorism. And there's no doubt in my mind that the only
[00:52] no doubt in my mind that the only [music] reason that they are enriching
[00:54] [music] reason that they are enriching uranium is for the purpose of developing
[00:56] uranium is for the purpose of developing a weapon. [music] And there's a far
[00:57] a weapon. [music] And there's a far greater risk to them having a nuclear
[00:59] greater risk to them having a nuclear weapon than even North Korea. So the
[01:01] weapon than even North Korea.
[01:03] So the initial actions were definitely necessary.
[01:04] But how do you think this plays out?
[01:05] And if Trump had called you and asked for your support, would you have given it?
[01:08] Well, let let's put it this way.
[01:11] What is the thing that you're most concerned about?
[01:13] We're overt taxing our population.
[01:14] We're punishing initiative.
[01:17] We have 20,000 immigrant doctors who can't work in medicine.
[01:18] Wages have been destroyed.
[01:21] Young people can't start a family in this economy.
[01:22] And that is why the working class across the Western [music] world is so angry.
[01:24] The good news is we can reverse all of that.
[01:28] And the other thing that I actually was really keen to talk about is this.
[01:30] Wow.
[01:35] I can see the emotion in your face.
[01:36] Yeah.
[01:37] It's still there.
[01:39] Yeah.
[01:40] I hadn't thought about that in a while.
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[02:48] Pierre Polyv, leader of his majesty's loyal opposition.
[02:52] There is so much I want to talk to you about.
[02:54] I think you have a truly fascinating formative childhood.
[02:58] One of which I've I've really seldom seen on this show, especially
[03:03] seldom seen on this show, especially when the person rises so high in their political ambitions.
[03:09] But I think the most appropriate thing to start with because [clears throat] it's just front of mind for me at the moment is what the hell is going on in the world?
[03:15] hell is going on in the world? [laughter]
[03:17] And I mean that's genuinely I'm I'm up all night trying to figure out if we're on the verge of World War II.
[03:23] on the verge of World War II. What's going on with all these alliances we used to have?
[03:26] used to have? What is going on in the world?
[03:26] world? >> The history of starts really in the post-war period with a massive increase in the power and the wealth of the United States.
[03:31] post-war period with a massive increase in the power and the wealth of the United States.
[03:33] in the power and the wealth of the United States.
[03:35] United States. They unleashed the capitalist system.
[03:37] capitalist system. They effectively buried the Soviet Union just by out hustling, out producing and out outgrowing until the Soviet Union collapsed.
[03:42] hustling, out producing and out outgrowing until the Soviet Union collapsed.
[03:44] collapsed. And then a new authoritarian power snuck up on the United States.
[03:47] collapsed. And then a new authoritarian power snuck up on the United States.
[03:50] power snuck up on the United States. China went from having 80% of its population living on one less than a dollar a day to being the second biggest economy in the world.
[03:52] China went from having 80% of its population living on one less than a dollar a day to being the second biggest economy in the world.
[03:54] population living on one less than a dollar a day to being the second biggest economy in the world.
[03:56] dollar a day to being the second biggest economy in the world.
[03:58] economy in the world. At the same time, uh, the American working class has been thoroughly screwed over by relentless
[04:01] uh, the American working class has been thoroughly screwed over by relentless
[04:04] thoroughly screwed over by relentless money printing that has inflated their cost of living while also inflating the wealth of of a small group of elites.
[04:11] And I think this resulted in a major push back.
[04:13] Now, some of that was justified.
[04:14] That push back is justified, but I also think some of it is very much unjustified.
[04:18] Tariffing countries like Canada makes no sense.
[04:20] uh if you're the United States, you should want more friends, more trade with those friends.
[04:27] And that's one of the reasons why I've been touring the United States to make the case for Canada and to remind our American friends that they are stronger working with countries like Canada and the United Kingdom than they are pushing those natural allies away.
[04:42] It appears that the United States have made the decision to kind of go it alone in the world.
[04:44] I mean, I was at Davos and I saw what Trump said.
[04:48] I saw a variety of things in the leadup to there talking about taking Greenland, turning Canada into one of the United States 51st states.
[04:57] Is that what he said?
[05:00] 51st state.
[05:01] That's never going to happen.
[05:02] It seems to be very adversarial. And
[05:04] It seems to be very adversarial.
[05:05] And through my childhood and through my childhood and through my adulthood, over the last 30 years, the US has always been the strong ally, not an individualistic isolated force in the world.
[05:12] What's what's going on here?
[05:15] I think that is a very big strategic mistake.
[05:17] Uh I think America would be better off working with the the traditional Western alliance that helped win the Cold War.
[05:22] Uh we had a very big menace as a nuclear armed Soviet Union that was expansionary.
[05:27] Its empire was pushing eastward into Europe and the response of the United States was to build a strong NATO alliance and then to unleash its economy to just outproduce the Soviets and bring them to their knees.
[05:38] In Canada's case, we have everything the United States needs uh if they treat us like a friend.
[05:44] We have the fourth biggest supply of oil.
[05:49] You can see it here.
[05:52] That's right.
[05:54] We could uh maybe pull that over here.
[05:57] This is the oil reserves by country.
[05:59] As you can see, Canada is number four.
[06:03] And after us is Iraq and then the United States.
[06:03] But if you look
[06:05] then the United States.
[06:08] But if you look at the leading five, which of these at the leading five, which of these countries do you think the United States countries do you think the United States can most rely on?
[06:14] Is it Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Iraq?
[06:18] No, it's Canada.
[06:20] It works very well with American refineries and we sell it to the United States at enormous price discount.
[06:25] Furthermore, we could build up an enormous reserve of this oil so that if, god forbid, the straight of Hormuse were to be closed, just a random example, you're from the American America's friends in neighboring Canada would have a couple hundred millions barrels that are already produced and ready for use uh if uh if it's needed.
[06:48] So this is really uh kind of rocket fuel for the Canadian economy, but it's strategically important for our American friends.
[06:56] We could cooperate better on this if we got a friendly posture and a fully tariff-free trade ar arrangement with the US.
[07:04] What's interesting when I look at these uh vials of oil that we have on
[07:06] at these uh vials of oil that we have on the table and I see that Venezuela's the table and I see that Venezuela's number one, Saudi Arabia is number two.
[07:09] number one, Saudi Arabia is number two, Iran, Canada, Iraq, and then the US is a lot of these countries that have a lot of oil are in conflict with the United States right now.
[07:17] States right now.
[07:18] That's right.
[07:20] And it now as I look at this, it seems like I understand why.
[07:22] So, Venezuela, I mean, Trump just flew in and took the leader of Venezuela and his wife out of bed and sees the country.
[07:29] Iran, US are at war with Iran now.
[07:31] Um, Iraq, I mean, that's a a story already.
[07:34] And Canada has been the other one where it's been incredibly adversarial over the last couple of months.
[07:38] Is this just all about oil?
[07:39] Frankly, we don't really understand what the dispute with Canada is about because we've been a very good and friendly partner to the United States ever since the early 1800s before we even formed as a confederation.
[07:52] What I would say to Americans though is you shouldn't have to worry about all of these countries.
[07:57] If you're working collaboratively with Canada and you're trading freely with a a separate country to the north, then you will not be bound by what happens in
[08:08] you will not be bound by what happens in these other less stable and arguably more hostile countries.
[08:13] What I believe we as Canadians need to do is use our natural resources as leverage to get what we want from this administration and future ones.
[08:24] What we want is tariff-free trade for our steel, aluminum, lumber, and automobiles.
[08:33] And in exchange for that, we can produce more oil and sell more of it at better prices to the United States of America.
[08:38] Oil is only one part of it.
[08:40] There's also the strategic minerals that are necessary for, god forbid, modern warfare, and we have those as well.
[08:48] We are a resource superpower, and I want to leverage that to get what we want from the US and from other nations.
[08:57] I'm looking at the third vial there in the row, Iran.
[08:59] Mhm.
[09:01] Has Trump taken the right course of action in bombing Iran in the way that he has?
[09:05] And the other question that's I think on everyone's mind is like, how do you get out of this?
[09:07] Is is this going to
[09:10] you get out of this?
[09:10] Is is this going to end?
[09:11] Well, end?
[09:11] Well, the Iranian government has been extremely hostile and very dangerous to Canada.
[09:14] They killed 55 Canadian citizens and 30 permanent residents by shooting a civilian aircraft out of the sky, PS752, uh for reasons we still do not understand and with no explanation whatsoever.
[09:30] They have unleashed agents into our communities and streets to harass the Jewish and Persian communities of Canada.
[09:36] and uh they are the leading world sponsor of terrorism.
[09:39] It it is absolutely unacceptable for the Iranian government to ever acquire nuclear weapons.
[09:45] And there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason that they are enriching uranium is for marshall purposes.
[09:52] There's no need to enrich it to the degree they have in order just to have nuclear power plants.
[09:56] I have no doubt that they were doing it for u the purpose of developing a weapon and if that were to happen uh it could be catastrophic for neighboring countries but also for far away lands if given the
[10:10] but also for far away lands if given the ability to develop uh long range missiles.
[10:15] So uh we my view and the view of the Canadian government is that the Iranian government cannot be allowed to develop nuclear weapons and any action to stop them from doing that is necessary for world peace.
[10:25] Was this action necessary to stop that in your view?
[10:27] I think that the initial actions were definitely necessary, particularly the bombings four or five months ago to target the nuclear development sites.
[10:37] But I think any actions to degrade their nuclear capabilities, prevent them from ever achieving them is favorable.
[10:43] And I hope that it will weaken the regime enough for the people to overtake it and claim control of their country.
[10:50] It doesn't look like that's the case.
[10:52] I think they've appointed the son of the Ayatollah to lead the country now and they seem to be firing at everybody in the region.
[10:59] There was some reports that they might have ballistic missiles that could reach Europe as well.
[11:02] Yes.
[11:02] And and this is what we have to stop.
[11:05] I mean the idea that they are they are carrying out this aggression simply because they've been attacked is false.
[11:08] They would have
[11:11] been attacked is false.
[11:11] They would have eventually carried it out.
[11:12] The question is when and with what means.
[11:15] And if we had just sort of slept and waited, we would have ended up with a catastrophe.
[11:20] This is different than North Korea.
[11:21] North Korea was allowed to get nuclear weapons, but they don't have the same celestial fundamentalist ideology there.
[11:27] Ultimately, the regime in North Korea is interested in its own survival and its power.
[11:35] The regime in Thran has a theocratic dream.
[11:39] They believe that there's an an afterlife in which they could be rewarded for carrying out mass destruction on what they call the infidels.
[11:48] They don't respond to deterrence the same way that Pyongyang in North Korea would.
[11:52] There's a far greater risk to them having a nuclear weapon than than even having that in in a communist totalitarian state like North Korea.
[12:01] But for Canada in this environment, our superpower is again our resources.
[12:07] And that's why it has been one of my major obsessions to unblock
[12:11] one of my major obsessions to unblock our resources, get them to tide water,
[12:14] our resources, get them to tide water, accumulate them in a strategic reserve
[12:17] accumulate them in a strategic reserve that would allow us to really flex our
[12:19] that would allow us to really flex our energy muscles in environments like this
[12:22] energy muscles in environments like this and also reduce dependence on regime
[12:24] and also reduce dependence on regime like Iran, like Saudi Arabia, like
[12:26] like Iran, like Saudi Arabia, like Venezuela.
[12:27] Venezuela.
[12:27] If Trump had called you and asked for your support, had you been leading the government of Canada, would you have given the support?
[12:36] This is the big conversation at the moment in the UK because K Starmmer was reluctant to send troops originally and it seems to have irked Trump in an interesting way.
[12:43] irked Trump in an interesting way.
[12:43] So our prime minister did support the attack and I agreed with Prime Minister Carney on that point.
[12:51] That is distinct from contributing Canadian soldiers or sailors and air crew.
[12:57] I'm not proposing that we send ground troops to Iran and we are not in a position right now to supply a lot of the demands that this conflict would require.
[13:07] It depends on what they ask for um before we get an answer from Canada on what what it is
[13:11] answer from Canada on what what it is that we can provide.
[13:12] that we can provide.
[13:13] You're someone that knows a lot about history.
[13:15] You seem to know a lot about a lot, frankly.
[13:17] Um [laughter] and I I don't know a lot about a lot.
[13:21] So when you think through how this could go, it doesn't appear that the Iranians are going to roll over very easily.
[13:26] The the Iranian leadership are going to roll over very easily.
[13:30] Trump doesn't appear to be a man that likes taking hits to his ego.
[13:33] So it doesn't appear that he's just going to pull out and let you know things unravel.
[13:37] Uh and then the third option one would say is that they double down even further and send troops to the region.
[13:41] What how do you think this plays out based on everything that you know about both history about Trump and from your pattern recognition?
[13:43] Well, it could go a variety of ways.
[13:44] Remember the first Persian Gulf War, George Herbert Walker Bush decided that he had downgraded and penalized Saddam Hussein enough for the invasion of Kuwait.
[13:46] He declared victory and he moved on and ultimately that left a lot of stability in the region.
[13:47] his son then went and and
[14:12] in the region.
[14:15] his son then went and and and pursued a full uh out-and-out regime change and that was a much longer enterprise.
[14:20] Uh the the president will have to decide which of those two Bushes he uses as a model.
[14:26] But I think that the important thing is to know what the objective is for me.
[14:29] The objective has to be to make sure that the Iranian government never gets the capacity to send long range nuclear missiles to countries uh or even short and medium range to Israel for that matter.
[14:41] Beyond that, I think it's up to the Iranian people to take advantage of the weakness of the regime and rise up and reclaim their country.
[14:51] I I I don't think this regime has popular support.
[14:54] Uh I know a lot of Iranians, we're blessed to have a lot of very secular, pro-western Persians who live in Canada, are proudly Canadian, and they will tell you that there's almost no support for the regime among the people of of Iran.
[15:07] Mhm. >> They need to find a way to overturn the regime.
[15:10] Uh, and that would that would give a a lot of comfort and peace to the
[15:14] give a a lot of comfort and peace to the rest of the world, but it would also give democracy to a deserving people.
[15:17] give democracy to a deserving people.
[15:20] What would you do if you were Trump?
[15:22] Oh, that's a good question.
[15:27] and no offense to
[15:28] like I said, I would focus on the core objective of making sure that there's not a nuclear armed Iran without getting involved in a permanent quagmire.
[15:37] So everything's been bombed now. Fordo has been bombed.
[15:39] So is this the time to pull out then?
[15:41] I think it all depends on the intelligence they have about the nuclear capacity.
[15:46] That that is the the hinge point. We cannot allow a nuclearpowered um Iranian military.
[15:53] That is what they they need to determine.
[15:54] For me at the moment it looks a little bit like it's a little bit lose-lose for Trump in an interesting way.
[16:00] And I think this is also reflecting the fact that nobody really has a perfect answer for what to do next because it's all just trade-offs.
[16:06] That's right.
[16:08] That's right. I mean, that's what the the great uh Thomas Soul said.
[16:12] There's no solutions, just trade-offs in life.
[16:14] And it's hitting the the price of um gas at the pumps in a big way.
[16:16] at the pumps in a big way.
[16:17] Yes.
[16:17] Yes.
[16:19] A way that concerns you or
[16:19] A way that concerns you or
[16:21] Well, it's funny you [snorts] should ask because it shouldn't have to concern
[16:23] Canadians.
[16:23] Our enormous supply of oil should actually insulate us from it.
[16:29] Normally what what used to happen in
[16:30] Canada is when the global price of oil rose, our dollar would rise with it
[16:35] because people would be buying more of
[16:37] our oil, which meant they had to first
[16:38] buy our dollar.
[16:41] A more powerful Canadian dollar meant that we had more buying
[16:43] power for internationally priced
[16:45] commodities like oil and food.
[16:48] So, we used to be protected from international
[16:51] oil price increases in a way that we're
[16:53] not anymore because our sector is no
[16:55] longer as strong and as big as it was as
[16:58] a share of our economy.
[17:01] And so, uh, what I want to do is unleash oil production
[17:04] in Canada, clear, uh, the regulatory
[17:08] bureaucracy, the government gatekeepers,
[17:10] get rid of industrial carbon taxes, and
[17:13] have a stronger dollar that makes life
[17:15] more affordable and much more
[17:17] more affordable and much more geostrategic power in the world.
[17:19] geostrategic power in the world.
[17:21] There's a quite significant probability that you could be Canada's next leader.
[17:24] that you could be Canada's next leader.
[17:25] And for you to achieve all those things you've just described, you'll need to have, you know, productive relationship with the United States.
[17:30] with the United States.
[17:32] Trump if all follows the law won't be able to be elected.
[17:33] So it'll probably be a different leader by the time that you were in power.
[17:37] Although I know that you know there could be a vote of no confidence which mean that you could get into power earlier.
[17:41] into power earlier.
[17:41] Your relationship with Trump good, bad, indifferent.
[17:47] I've never met him.
[17:47] I've never spoken to him.
[17:48] No, I don't have.
[17:51] No. Um I made the decision that uh we have one prime minister at a time and because we are negotiating a trade deal or it's more like a review of an existing deal uh I don't want our side as Canadians to be divided even though I obviously disagree with my prime minister on a whole range of policy issues.
[18:09] I don't want to uh undermine in any way the the Canadian side of the bargaining table.
[18:13] I would only do that kind of conversation with a teamwork uh with the current government.
[18:17] But what I've said is that our approach visa be
[18:19] I've said is that our approach visa be Trump should be to focus on what we can control.
[18:24] So why not focus on what what we can do at home?
[18:26] Um unlock our resources, build up a strategic reserve of of minerals that are important to our American friends, but also to our other allies.
[18:38] Clear the way to export more goods to overseas markets.
[18:40] uh build alliances with the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia uh to diversify and become more self-sufficient.
[18:48] You keep using this word unlock.
[18:50] Yes.
[18:51] And clear the way.
[18:52] Yes.
[18:53] What are you referring to when you say clear the way and unlock?
[18:57] Removing bureau bureaucratic obstacles.
[19:00] Um the the resources we have are massively profitable for the private sector to mine, refine, store, and ship as long as they can get the permits and the low enough taxes to do it.
[19:13] So we need to remove those obstacles so that it now becomes uh possible for private investment, not subsidized by
[19:20] investment, not subsidized by government, no handouts for business.
[19:23] government, no handouts for business, but private investment to unlock and
[19:25] but private investment to unlock and unblock those resources.
[19:27] You're just saying there you don't want to get in the way of Mark Carney.
[19:30] Well, I I don't want to get in the way of of negotiations with a foreign country.
[19:38] I obviously my job is to to be his opposition in the House of Commons on domestic issues and even on international issues, but not to do so in a way that undermines the national interest.
[19:46] A lot of countries aren't like that.
[19:48] It was interesting because you're on Joe Rogan's show.
[19:50] It's got a global audience.
[19:51] Yes.
[19:52] So, you know, if you talk about him there, you're talking about him all over the world.
[19:55] And you said you wouldn't criticize the leader of the opposition unless you were in Canada.
[20:00] But you know that you know you're reaching everybody everywhere all the time.
[20:04] That's true.
[20:06] No, that's true. That's true. But uh I I just think it's it's a good principle to follow particularly during a negotiation that's happening across the border in that country.
[20:15] like you know I think it would be a little different if we were in normal times and there was no trade dispute or if we were in a country with which we have no particular contention.
[20:22] which we have no particular contention that for me to say something critical
[20:24] that for me to say something critical about the government's policy back home
[20:26] about the government's policy back home would not have any repercussions for the
[20:28] would not have any repercussions for the nation but particularly over the next
[20:30] nation but particularly over the next several months while these talks are are
[20:32] several months while these talks are are hopefully going to go on uh I want to
[20:34] hopefully going to go on uh I want to get the best outcome for Canada and I
[20:36] get the best outcome for Canada and I have to put my country above myself.
[20:38] have to put my country above myself. >> Why are you better than the current
[20:41] >> Why are you better than the current leader of the Canadian government? Well,
[20:44] leader of the Canadian government? Well, what what what is it you offer that is
[20:45] what what what is it you offer that is better than what he has to offer?
[20:47] better than what he has to offer? >> My mission is to make Canada the most
[20:51] >> My mission is to make Canada the most affordable
[20:52] affordable uh freest and richest country in the
[20:55] uh freest and richest country in the world. My upbringing, I grew up in very
[20:58] world. My upbringing, I grew up in very humble beginnings. I grew up surrounded
[21:00] humble beginnings. I grew up surrounded by working-class people. Yeah, these are
[21:02] by working-class people. Yeah, these are my folks. Yeah, that's an old one.
[21:04] my folks. Yeah, that's an old one. >> Got a photo of you there and your your
[21:06] >> Got a photo of you there and your your parents and your is it your stepbrother?
[21:08] parents and your is it your stepbrother? Your half brother?
[21:09] Your half brother? >> Half brother. Yes. So, uh it's my dad
[21:11] >> Half brother. Yes. So, uh it's my dad and my my mother. or they were school
[21:13] and my my mother. or they were school teachers. Uh my brother is my half
[21:15] teachers. Uh my brother is my half brother because we came from the same
[21:16] brother because we came from the same biological mother but a different
[21:19] biological mother but a different biological fathers adopted into the same
[21:21] biological fathers adopted into the same family. Kind of a complicated story.
[21:23] family. Kind of a complicated story. >> Your biological mother adopted you at 16
[21:25] >> Your biological mother adopted you at 16 years old.
[21:26] years old. >> Put us up for adoption at 16 years old.
[21:28] >> Put us up for adoption at 16 years old. She was 16 and then um then about 3
[21:31] She was 16 and then um then about 3 years later she had another little boy
[21:33] years later she had another little boy and he Patrick was then uh adopted by
[21:36] and he Patrick was then uh adopted by the same parents.
[21:37] the same parents. >> And they were two teachers that adopted
[21:38] >> And they were two teachers that adopted you and Patrick.
[21:39] you and Patrick. >> Yes, that's right. Yeah. I still
[21:40] >> Yes, that's right. Yeah. I still remember when we went to pick him up. It
[21:42] remember when we went to pick him up. It was uh so we we went to this um we got a
[21:44] was uh so we we went to this um we got a phone call and he said, "There's a
[21:46] phone call and he said, "There's a little boy who happens to be half
[21:47] little boy who happens to be half brothers with your with with Pierre.
[21:49] brothers with your with with Pierre. Would you like to to adopt him, too?"
[21:51] Would you like to to adopt him, too?" And he said, "Absolutely." So, we went
[21:53] And he said, "Absolutely." So, we went over to this building and we walk into
[21:55] over to this building and we walk into this room and there were all these rows
[21:57] this room and there were all these rows of babies
[21:59] of babies >> and uh you know, we walked past them and
[22:01] >> and uh you know, we walked past them and then we said, they said, "That's him
[22:03] then we said, they said, "That's him right there." And that was when I met my
[22:04] right there." And that was when I met my brother. You know, we picked him up.
[22:06] brother. You know, we picked him up. That's why I thought that's where babies
[22:07] That's why I thought that's where babies came from. There was a store. you know,
[22:09] came from. There was a store. you know, we go to a store and get your your
[22:10] we go to a store and get your your groceries. There's a store where you can
[22:11] groceries. There's a store where you can go and get a baby. That's what I thought
[22:13] go and get a baby. That's what I thought cuz that was my first experience with
[22:15] cuz that was my first experience with it. And um we brought him home and and
[22:17] it. And um we brought him home and and we grew up in working-class
[22:18] we grew up in working-class neighborhoods. When I was about 3,
[22:20] neighborhoods. When I was about 3, fourish, uh we lost everything. We got
[22:23] fourish, uh we lost everything. We got smashed by high interest rates. My
[22:26] smashed by high interest rates. My mother had had saved up enough to buy
[22:28] mother had had saved up enough to buy two little rental properties. We lost
[22:30] two little rental properties. We lost those and our home and had to borrow
[22:33] those and our home and had to borrow from our grandfather to get a down
[22:35] from our grandfather to get a down payment so we'd have a place to live. My
[22:37] payment so we'd have a place to live. My dad was driving this old mobile that was
[22:39] dad was driving this old mobile that was falling apart and our neighbors were,
[22:41] falling apart and our neighbors were, you know, workingass folks. They were
[22:43] you know, workingass folks. They were just, you know, electricians, uh, oil
[22:45] just, you know, electricians, uh, oil workers, police officers. So, that's
[22:48] workers, police officers. So, that's those are the people I grew up with. And
[22:50] those are the people I grew up with. And I always grew up admiring those those
[22:52] I always grew up admiring those those people, uh, admiring what they were able
[22:54] people, uh, admiring what they were able to do and believing that they were
[22:57] to do and believing that they were generally taken advantage of by
[22:59] generally taken advantage of by government, never listened to, and
[23:01] government, never listened to, and definitely and kept on the outside of
[23:03] definitely and kept on the outside of decision-m.
[23:04] decision-m. And my mission has been to bring back
[23:07] And my mission has been to bring back what I call the promise of Canada that
[23:10] what I call the promise of Canada that uh anyone can achieve anything. It
[23:12] uh anyone can achieve anything. It doesn't matter if you start off as an
[23:13] doesn't matter if you start off as an adopted kid uh raised by school teachers
[23:16] adopted kid uh raised by school teachers uh or you know an immigrant from
[23:17] uh or you know an immigrant from Batswana who uh grows up really poor. If
[23:21] Batswana who uh grows up really poor. If you you work at it, you should be able
[23:23] you you work at it, you should be able to buy a house uh launch a business,
[23:26] to buy a house uh launch a business, become a you know a famous global
[23:28] become a you know a famous global podcaster uh or maybe cure a disease.
[23:31] podcaster uh or maybe cure a disease. And that was what Canada was all about.
[23:33] And that was what Canada was all about. And that is what I'm trying to
[23:34] And that is what I'm trying to reinstate.
[23:36] reinstate. >> What age do you get to meet your
[23:37] >> What age do you get to meet your biological mother for the first time?
[23:39] biological mother for the first time? >> 21 22. My adopted mother was very
[23:44] >> 21 22. My adopted mother was very gracious because I said I won't meet my
[23:47] gracious because I said I won't meet my biological mother without the permission
[23:50] biological mother without the permission of my adopted mother. She did all the
[23:52] of my adopted mother. She did all the work of raising me. all the hardships,
[23:53] work of raising me. all the hardships, all of my she put up with all of my
[23:56] all of my she put up with all of my rambunctiousness and teenage years and
[23:58] rambunctiousness and teenage years and uh drove me to hockey practice and you
[24:01] uh drove me to hockey practice and you know emptied her bank account to pay for
[24:03] know emptied her bank account to pay for our food and stuff. So I did not want
[24:05] our food and stuff. So I did not want her to feel like she was going to be
[24:07] her to feel like she was going to be left behind or forgotten about or
[24:09] left behind or forgotten about or replaced. And I asked her, you know,
[24:11] replaced. And I asked her, you know, would you be okay if I met her? And she
[24:14] would you be okay if I met her? And she said, "Yes, of course, cuz I won't
[24:15] said, "Yes, of course, cuz I won't always be here and I always want you to
[24:16] always be here and I always want you to have a mother." And I thought that was
[24:18] have a mother." And I thought that was um a really incredible thing to do
[24:21] um a really incredible thing to do because it's so big part such a big part
[24:24] because it's so big part such a big part of um a mother's identity is that they
[24:27] of um a mother's identity is that they are the mother of that child. But to
[24:30] are the mother of that child. But to have a love that's so much deeper than
[24:33] have a love that's so much deeper than that personal identity or interest is
[24:36] that personal identity or interest is something I'll always remember. It's one
[24:37] something I'll always remember. It's one of the most gracious things I've ever
[24:38] of the most gracious things I've ever seen.
[24:39] seen. >> I can see the emotion in your face as
[24:40] >> I can see the emotion in your face as you say it.
[24:41] you say it. >> Yeah.
[24:42] >> Yeah. >> It's still there.
[24:43] >> It's still there. >> Yeah. I hadn't thought about that in a
[24:45] >> Yeah. I hadn't thought about that in a while.
[24:50] What beautiful people.
[24:51] What beautiful people. >> Yes, we're very blessed. And uh
[24:54] >> Yes, we're very blessed. And uh um and it's and it's it's it's people
[24:56] um and it's and it's it's it's people like these that inspire me that uh keep
[24:59] like these that inspire me that uh keep me going in in uh in this crazy world of
[25:02] me going in in uh in this crazy world of politics.
[25:03] politics. >> So you get to meet your biological
[25:05] >> So you get to meet your biological mother at 21, 22.
[25:06] mother at 21, 22. >> Yeah, around that.
[25:07] >> Yeah, around that. >> Yeah.
[25:08] >> Yeah. >> What does one say? What are the
[25:09] >> What does one say? What are the questions one needs to ask if any?
[25:15] I'm trying to remember. We went on we
[25:16] I'm trying to remember. We went on we went on a bit of a road trip from uh
[25:18] went on a bit of a road trip from uh Ottawa to Montreal and we just got to
[25:21] Ottawa to Montreal and we just got to know each other. Uh she had a lot of uh
[25:24] know each other. Uh she had a lot of uh questions about how my life had been and
[25:27] questions about how my life had been and uh I had a lot of questions about our
[25:29] uh I had a lot of questions about our our biological family, about her father
[25:31] our biological family, about her father who was a really great man. I would go
[25:33] who was a really great man. I would go on to meet a great Irishman
[25:36] on to meet a great Irishman and um the circumstances that led to my
[25:40] and um the circumstances that led to my my conception and and birth. And I
[25:43] my conception and and birth. And I really came to understand her decision
[25:45] really came to understand her decision to put me up for adoption. And I've
[25:47] to put me up for adoption. And I've never been resentful for it at all. She
[25:48] never been resentful for it at all. She she was 16. She just lost her mother to
[25:51] she was 16. She just lost her mother to a heart attack. She um didn't have a lot
[25:55] a heart attack. She um didn't have a lot of means. And she just made a selfless
[25:56] of means. And she just made a selfless decision that we would have more
[25:58] decision that we would have more opportunity if we were raised by someone
[25:59] opportunity if we were raised by someone else.
[26:00] else. >> Did you ever learn anything about your
[26:02] >> Did you ever learn anything about your biological father?
[26:03] biological father? >> Yes. Yeah. He he works at at a um a
[26:09] >> Yes. Yeah. He he works at at a um a concrete plant in British Columbia. And
[26:11] concrete plant in British Columbia. And so I went and met him. He's a great
[26:13] so I went and met him. He's a great father with children that that he
[26:14] father with children that that he subsequently had and raised and and so
[26:17] subsequently had and raised and and so he he's a very good man as well. And my
[26:19] he he's a very good man as well. And my my adoptive father is a a teacher and uh
[26:22] my adoptive father is a a teacher and uh he gave me a lot of uh wonderful lessons
[26:25] he gave me a lot of uh wonderful lessons and I think is responsible for my way
[26:27] and I think is responsible for my way with words.
[26:29] with words. >> Marlene and Donald.
[26:30] >> Marlene and Donald. >> That's right.
[26:31] >> That's right. >> So Marlene's your adopted mother.
[26:33] >> So Marlene's your adopted mother. Donald's your adopted father. They
[26:34] Donald's your adopted father. They divorce when you're 12 years old.
[26:36] divorce when you're 12 years old. >> Yes. It would be around that time. I was
[26:38] >> Yes. It would be around that time. I was in grade five.
[26:39] in grade five. very difficult time for parents to
[26:41] very difficult time for parents to divorce. Very difficult time. I remember
[26:43] divorce. Very difficult time. I remember that that period of life very very
[26:45] that that period of life very very clearly because I remember one day my
[26:47] clearly because I remember one day my parents coming to me and telling me that
[26:48] parents coming to me and telling me that they didn't love each other anymore that
[26:49] they didn't love each other anymore that they were going to get a divorce. They
[26:50] they were going to get a divorce. They didn't.
[26:51] didn't. >> Okay.
[26:51] >> Okay. >> But I remember bit which you know I
[26:53] >> But I remember bit which you know I think did enough damage for [laughter]
[26:55] think did enough damage for [laughter] but it was around that age and I I
[26:57] but it was around that age and I I remember where I was stood in the house.
[26:59] remember where I was stood in the house. I remember what I was wearing when they
[27:00] I remember what I was wearing when they said that to me cuz it's
[27:01] said that to me cuz it's earthshattering.
[27:03] earthshattering. >> It is actually.
[27:04] >> It is actually. >> I just can't I can't unforget it. It was
[27:05] >> I just can't I can't unforget it. It was it was traumatizing. Well, we were my
[27:08] it was traumatizing. Well, we were my dad told me and he wanted to tell me
[27:10] dad told me and he wanted to tell me alone. So, he we we got into uh the car.
[27:13] alone. So, he we we got into uh the car. He said he wanted to take me for a drive
[27:15] He said he wanted to take me for a drive and we drove to the local corner store
[27:17] and we drove to the local corner store and we parked in the car and he told me
[27:19] and we parked in the car and he told me that there. But it is very traumatizing
[27:21] that there. But it is very traumatizing and um but at the same time like they
[27:25] and um but at the same time like they were very very good parents. So, I I I
[27:28] were very very good parents. So, I I I don't judge them for how they ended up
[27:30] don't judge them for how they ended up uh apart. Uh we were very blessed. Uh,
[27:33] uh apart. Uh we were very blessed. Uh, you know, they gave me a great start in
[27:35] you know, they gave me a great start in life. Even though they weren't together,
[27:37] life. Even though they weren't together, they they loved us very much and they
[27:38] they they loved us very much and they gave us all all they could.
[27:40] gave us all all they could. >> And Donald would would eventually come
[27:42] >> And Donald would would eventually come out as gay.
[27:42] out as gay. >> That's right.
[27:43] >> That's right. >> One would assume that he was dealing
[27:44] >> One would assume that he was dealing with the conflict of feelings.
[27:47] with the conflict of feelings. >> Yes.
[27:48] >> Yes. >> For much of the time,
[27:49] >> For much of the time, >> he had been raised in a very devotly
[27:51] >> he had been raised in a very devotly French Catholic household and that's why
[27:52] French Catholic household and that's why we have a French name. And before he got
[27:55] we have a French name. And before he got married, he'd even consider going into
[27:56] married, he'd even consider going into the priesthood and he so he was a very
[27:58] the priesthood and he so he was a very devoutly Catholic person. He genuinely
[28:00] devoutly Catholic person. He genuinely loved my mother, but obviously he wasn't
[28:03] loved my mother, but obviously he wasn't programmed uh that way. You know, he has
[28:05] programmed uh that way. You know, he has a wonderful partner and we're friends
[28:07] a wonderful partner and we're friends with uh very close with him and his
[28:09] with uh very close with him and his partner Ross right now.
[28:11] partner Ross right now. >> Do you see how that's changed you as a
[28:13] >> Do you see how that's changed you as a man um as you've grown up, whether it's
[28:15] man um as you've grown up, whether it's your sort of your perspective on what
[28:17] your sort of your perspective on what love and romance is or anything else? I
[28:20] love and romance is or anything else? I think that if everything just been, you
[28:21] think that if everything just been, you know, white picket fences and, you know,
[28:24] know, white picket fences and, you know, hu, you know, totally predictable and as
[28:27] hu, you know, totally predictable and as then then I wouldn't be the kind of
[28:29] then then I wouldn't be the kind of person I am today. I think it's also,
[28:32] person I am today. I think it's also, you know, it's it's like you I would you
[28:34] you know, it's it's like you I would you have been as successful as you are if
[28:36] have been as successful as you are if you had had a very easy childhood? I
[28:38] you had had a very easy childhood? I doubt it. I bet all the the hardships
[28:40] doubt it. I bet all the the hardships that you had and the the twists and
[28:43] that you had and the the twists and turns that took you from Batswana to the
[28:44] turns that took you from Batswana to the United Kingdom and and then onward
[28:47] United Kingdom and and then onward probably gave you some superpower. And
[28:49] probably gave you some superpower. And so uh this I think it gave me the chance
[28:52] so uh this I think it gave me the chance to understand that you have you don't
[28:53] to understand that you have you don't judge people. You you love them for who
[28:56] judge people. You you love them for who they are. My parents also taught me an
[28:59] they are. My parents also taught me an important lesson that uh Shakespeare
[29:01] important lesson that uh Shakespeare says to thine own self be true. Um my
[29:04] says to thine own self be true. Um my mother had when she was a a small baby,
[29:08] mother had when she was a a small baby, she was in a car accident and her
[29:10] she was in a car accident and her fingers were burned off and she had
[29:11] fingers were burned off and she had horrible scars um horrible burns on her
[29:14] horrible scars um horrible burns on her hand at the time. And as I got to my
[29:18] hand at the time. And as I got to my adolescence, I said to my dad, um did it
[29:21] adolescence, I said to my dad, um did it ever bother you when you started dating
[29:22] ever bother you when you started dating her that she she had this injury?
[29:26] her that she she had this injury? And he said, "No, because it didn't
[29:28] And he said, "No, because it didn't bother her. She was totally at peace and
[29:31] bother her. She was totally at peace and she never hid it." It wasn't long after
[29:33] she never hid it." It wasn't long after we met that I forgot it was even there.
[29:36] we met that I forgot it was even there. And the message that I took from that is
[29:39] And the message that I took from that is be yourself. Don't try to hide the
[29:42] be yourself. Don't try to hide the scars. Scars are the trophies of
[29:44] scars. Scars are the trophies of survival.
[29:46] survival. So those are some of the the lessons
[29:48] So those are some of the the lessons that my mother and father taught me. And
[29:49] that my mother and father taught me. And my dad was the same about who he was. He
[29:52] my dad was the same about who he was. He just lived his life unapologetically and
[29:55] just lived his life unapologetically and openly and he never apologized for who
[29:57] openly and he never apologized for who he was. And that has stayed with me.
[30:00] he was. And that has stayed with me. When you speak of Marlene, you you speak
[30:01] When you speak of Marlene, you you speak up with her with a great fondness and
[30:03] up with her with a great fondness and expression in your face that you know I
[30:04] expression in your face that you know I sit I've sat here six 700 times. So you
[30:06] sit I've sat here six 700 times. So you get to see who matters most to people in
[30:09] get to see who matters most to people in their lives just by looking at their
[30:10] their lives just by looking at their face.
[30:12] face. And she's she's clearly on the podium.
[30:16] And she's she's clearly on the podium. >> Yeah. She's a very feisty little lady,
[30:18] >> Yeah. She's a very feisty little lady, very short and very uh very forceful.
[30:22] very short and very uh very forceful. She she taught me a lot about being, you
[30:24] She she taught me a lot about being, you know, pugnacious and fighting for what
[30:26] know, pugnacious and fighting for what you want and what you need in life. and
[30:29] you want and what you need in life. and um [laughter] and we argued a lot when I
[30:32] um [laughter] and we argued a lot when I was a kid and I think that maybe forged
[30:34] was a kid and I think that maybe forged some of my current uh political uh
[30:37] some of my current uh political uh argumentation as well. My wife is a has
[30:39] argumentation as well. My wife is a has a big part of it as well. She's a very
[30:41] a big part of it as well. She's a very strong feisty intelligent lady with an
[30:44] strong feisty intelligent lady with an incredible upbringing as well. She's a a
[30:46] incredible upbringing as well. She's a a refugee from Venezuela and came with
[30:49] refugee from Venezuela and came with really nothing. And so she has this sort
[30:51] really nothing. And so she has this sort of maggyver like skill set to to get
[30:54] of maggyver like skill set to to get anything done no matter how difficult
[30:57] anything done no matter how difficult the logistics. So I've been very very uh
[30:59] the logistics. So I've been very very uh blessed with strong women around me.
[31:02] blessed with strong women around me. >> At a very young age, it appears that you
[31:04] >> At a very young age, it appears that you took a a liking to politics. I mean you
[31:08] took a a liking to politics. I mean you I mean you mentioned hockey first and
[31:10] I mean you mentioned hockey first and Marlene taking you to hockey. I've got a
[31:12] Marlene taking you to hockey. I've got a found a couple of photos of you playing
[31:13] found a couple of photos of you playing hockey which I found to be quite
[31:14] hockey which I found to be quite interesting but um
[31:15] interesting but um >> yes
[31:16] >> yes >> but politics when did politics come into
[31:19] >> but politics when did politics come into your your psyche?
[31:20] your your psyche? >> I would have been uh kind of in my mid-
[31:22] >> I would have been uh kind of in my mid- teens. Well, I I got into football, hurt
[31:25] teens. Well, I I got into football, hurt my back in football, so I couldn't stay
[31:28] my back in football, so I couldn't stay on the team. My mother had always gone
[31:30] on the team. My mother had always gone to these sort of local conservative
[31:32] to these sort of local conservative meetings. Um sometimes just bringing
[31:34] meetings. Um sometimes just bringing baked goods or uh attending a volunteer
[31:37] baked goods or uh attending a volunteer meeting. And I said, "Well, why don't
[31:38] meeting. And I said, "Well, why don't you bring me to one of those cuz I'm
[31:40] you bring me to one of those cuz I'm bored out of my skull." And she did.
[31:42] bored out of my skull." And she did. This gives me meaning. This gives me
[31:44] This gives me meaning. This gives me purpose. I want to go and pursue this.
[31:46] purpose. I want to go and pursue this. So, I started getting more and more
[31:48] So, I started getting more and more involved. I got an internship uh making
[31:50] involved. I got an internship uh making almost no money and uh and dressing up
[31:53] almost no money and uh and dressing up in a used suit and really threw myself
[31:56] in a used suit and really threw myself fully into this mission.
[31:58] fully into this mission. >> One of the books that I um I realized
[32:00] >> One of the books that I um I realized you'd read at that time from some
[32:01] you'd read at that time from some research is this book Adam Smith the
[32:03] research is this book Adam Smith the theory of moral sentiments.
[32:05] theory of moral sentiments. >> Yes. So this is this really this book
[32:09] >> Yes. So this is this really this book has to be accompanied by its more famous
[32:12] has to be accompanied by its more famous sister book which is the wealth of
[32:14] sister book which is the wealth of nations which that's the book that most
[32:16] nations which that's the book that most people know Adam Smith for. think of him
[32:18] people know Adam Smith for. think of him as kind of the father of capitalism
[32:20] as kind of the father of capitalism because in 1776
[32:22] because in 1776 he wrote this book which described what
[32:25] he wrote this book which described what we now call the free market system. And
[32:28] we now call the free market system. And this was a really revolutionary idea
[32:30] this was a really revolutionary idea because up until then we basically had
[32:32] because up until then we basically had various forms of feudalism.
[32:34] various forms of feudalism. >> What's that?
[32:34] >> What's that? >> Where a small group of lords and knights
[32:37] >> Where a small group of lords and knights and aristocrats control all the land and
[32:41] and aristocrats control all the land and the the the great masses do all the
[32:43] the the the great masses do all the work. And so you called them surfs. They
[32:46] work. And so you called them surfs. They would uh do all the heavy labor and then
[32:48] would uh do all the heavy labor and then the lords of the manor would would take
[32:50] the lords of the manor would would take all of the benefit. Along came the
[32:53] all of the benefit. Along came the system of free enterprise that Adam
[32:55] system of free enterprise that Adam Smith describes which is basically it
[32:58] Smith describes which is basically it has a very simple premise voluntary
[33:00] has a very simple premise voluntary exchange of work for wages, product for
[33:03] exchange of work for wages, product for payment and investment for interest. And
[33:06] payment and investment for interest. And that the economy rather than being
[33:08] that the economy rather than being guided by the iron fist of the king or
[33:11] guided by the iron fist of the king or the state is guided by the invisible
[33:13] the state is guided by the invisible hand of the free market. And this had
[33:16] hand of the free market. And this had been it had been thought that this was
[33:17] been it had been thought that this was crazy. How could the economy just sort
[33:19] crazy. How could the economy just sort of run itself? And the answer is through
[33:21] of run itself? And the answer is through price signals. If the price of something
[33:23] price signals. If the price of something goes up, people just automatically start
[33:25] goes up, people just automatically start making more of it. And if you need more
[33:27] making more of it. And if you need more workers to make that thing, well, you
[33:28] workers to make that thing, well, you raise the wages and all of a sudden,
[33:30] raise the wages and all of a sudden, what do you know? The workers arrive.
[33:32] what do you know? The workers arrive. And this system is absolutely ingenious.
[33:35] And this system is absolutely ingenious. Like, it's why when you go into a coffee
[33:37] Like, it's why when you go into a coffee shop and you buy your coffee, you say
[33:39] shop and you buy your coffee, you say thank you. They don't say you're
[33:40] thank you. They don't say you're welcome. They say thank you because they
[33:43] welcome. They say thank you because they have something worth more to them than
[33:44] have something worth more to them than they had before, the money, and you have
[33:46] they had before, the money, and you have something worth more to you than you had
[33:48] something worth more to you than you had before. And this voluntary exchange puts
[33:50] before. And this voluntary exchange puts everyone on equal scale. Even if you're
[33:52] everyone on equal scale. Even if you're a massive corporation, you want to sell
[33:54] a massive corporation, you want to sell something to a 15-year-old kid, you have
[33:56] something to a 15-year-old kid, you have to convince them that's worth more than
[33:57] to convince them that's worth more than the cost. So, everybody has to be better
[34:00] the cost. So, everybody has to be better off in the exchange for it to occur. And
[34:02] off in the exchange for it to occur. And that was how free enterprise formed. And
[34:05] that was how free enterprise formed. And it has led to a spectacular increase in
[34:08] it has led to a spectacular increase in the quality of living and the economic
[34:10] the quality of living and the economic growth 200fold increase in economic
[34:12] growth 200fold increase in economic growth in the in the free enterprise era
[34:14] growth in the in the free enterprise era versus the feudal era. So a lot of
[34:17] versus the feudal era. So a lot of people thought Adam Smith is only
[34:19] people thought Adam Smith is only interested in a in a system where people
[34:21] interested in a in a system where people are out serving themselves their
[34:24] are out serving themselves their self-interest. That's what they took
[34:26] self-interest. That's what they took from the statement in the wealth of
[34:27] from the statement in the wealth of nations that it is not from the b
[34:29] nations that it is not from the b benevolence of the brewer, the baker or
[34:32] benevolence of the brewer, the baker or the butcher that we get our meal but
[34:35] the butcher that we get our meal but from his own self-interest.
[34:37] from his own self-interest. But that was only half the story. The
[34:39] But that was only half the story. The other half was in this book called the
[34:41] other half was in this book called the theory of moral sentiments in which he
[34:44] theory of moral sentiments in which he explains how self-interest overlaps with
[34:49] explains how self-interest overlaps with virtue. So what he said is that we have
[34:53] virtue. So what he said is that we have something called fellow feeling which is
[34:56] something called fellow feeling which is to say we feel for the other person and
[35:00] to say we feel for the other person and we feel good when someone else does
[35:02] we feel good when someone else does good. It's why we explain that you know
[35:05] good. It's why we explain that you know people donate to charity or they leave
[35:07] people donate to charity or they leave the door open for a stranger or they
[35:09] the door open for a stranger or they might help an injured person uh on the
[35:12] might help an injured person uh on the street because they feel bad when they
[35:14] street because they feel bad when they see someone else their fellow suffering
[35:16] see someone else their fellow suffering and they feel good when they see him
[35:18] and they feel good when they see him succeeding. And that's why it's called
[35:20] succeeding. And that's why it's called sentiments because you feel these
[35:21] sentiments because you feel these things. I saw this in my own son. He um
[35:24] things. I saw this in my own son. He um for the first time he got a little toy
[35:26] for the first time he got a little toy and he gave it to his sister. It was the
[35:28] and he gave it to his sister. It was the first gift he'd ever given his life. And
[35:30] first gift he'd ever given his life. And he was so happy. Like he literally ran
[35:33] he was so happy. Like he literally ran in a big circle around our the foyer of
[35:35] in a big circle around our the foyer of our of our residence and just laughing
[35:37] our of our residence and just laughing and screaming. It just made him so
[35:39] and screaming. It just made him so happy. Happier than she was to even
[35:41] happy. Happier than she was to even receive it. And this is the best of
[35:43] receive it. And this is the best of human nature that his interest, his
[35:45] human nature that his interest, his happiness was served by seeing his his
[35:48] happiness was served by seeing his his sister better off. And this is really
[35:51] sister better off. And this is really laid out in some detail in the theory of
[35:53] laid out in some detail in the theory of moral sentiments. And it for me it's
[35:55] moral sentiments. And it for me it's like it like brings together all of
[35:58] like it like brings together all of human nature in one place. Now he's not
[36:01] human nature in one place. Now he's not naive. He does accept that there are
[36:03] naive. He does accept that there are bad, you know, dark angels in our
[36:04] bad, you know, dark angels in our nature, but he gives the only plausible
[36:07] nature, but he gives the only plausible explanation that I have seen about how
[36:09] explanation that I have seen about how you intersect self-interest with
[36:13] you intersect self-interest with altruism.
[36:14] altruism. >> And how did that change your perspective
[36:16] >> And how did that change your perspective and therefore you know your policies and
[36:18] and therefore you know your policies and your career? I have found that
[36:23] your career? I have found that those who push a socialist ideology have
[36:26] those who push a socialist ideology have a gross contradiction
[36:29] a gross contradiction in their view of human nature. They say
[36:33] in their view of human nature. They say that human beings are wretched,
[36:35] that human beings are wretched, self-interested, greedy when they're in
[36:38] self-interested, greedy when they're in the private voluntary economy, but
[36:41] the private voluntary economy, but they're angels when they're in the
[36:42] they're angels when they're in the governmental economy. And therefore they
[36:44] governmental economy. And therefore they argue that the government should just
[36:45] argue that the government should just control everything because then we have
[36:47] control everything because then we have all these angels that will decide for
[36:50] all these angels that will decide for us, decide what we get to where how our
[36:52] us, decide what we get to where how our money is spent, what we're supposed to
[36:53] money is spent, what we're supposed to believe in the modern day what kind of
[36:56] believe in the modern day what kind of vehicles we drive, what we should think.
[36:59] vehicles we drive, what we should think. Um but that is a a huge contradiction.
[37:02] Um but that is a a huge contradiction. If a if a man if man is not capable of
[37:04] If a if a man if man is not capable of deciding for himself, surely he's not
[37:06] deciding for himself, surely he's not capable of deciding for others. And I
[37:08] capable of deciding for others. And I think the worst the worst vices in human
[37:11] think the worst the worst vices in human nature come out when there is too much
[37:13] nature come out when there is too much power and concentrated in their hands.
[37:16] power and concentrated in their hands. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So
[37:19] Absolute power corrupts absolutely. So my ideology is that we should disperse
[37:22] my ideology is that we should disperse power that it should be a bottom-up
[37:24] power that it should be a bottom-up system with as much freedom and agency
[37:26] system with as much freedom and agency as humanly possible that people should
[37:28] as humanly possible that people should be free to choose for themselves and
[37:31] be free to choose for themselves and that the go the purpose of the
[37:32] that the go the purpose of the government is to do only those things
[37:34] government is to do only those things people cannot do for themselves. I guess
[37:36] people cannot do for themselves. I guess if there's, you know, socialists
[37:38] if there's, you know, socialists listening now, they might think, well,
[37:40] listening now, they might think, well, we tried this sort of capitalistic
[37:41] we tried this sort of capitalistic approach to the economy and it's
[37:44] approach to the economy and it's resulted in us being able to buy less uh
[37:47] resulted in us being able to buy less uh food and vegetables for our money. It's
[37:49] food and vegetables for our money. It's mean the price has gone up at the pumps.
[37:51] mean the price has gone up at the pumps. People are struggling. It seems that
[37:53] People are struggling. It seems that inequality has widened and the the
[37:55] inequality has widened and the the working class seem to be struggling more
[37:57] working class seem to be struggling more now than ever before. They can't buy
[37:58] now than ever before. They can't buy homes anymore like my my parents or my
[38:01] homes anymore like my my parents or my grandparents could could have. So
[38:03] grandparents could could have. So clearly we need socialism they would
[38:05] clearly we need socialism they would argue because the current system has not
[38:07] argue because the current system has not worked.
[38:08] worked. >> Well, what we have now is socialism for
[38:11] >> Well, what we have now is socialism for the very rich. We have governments that
[38:13] the very rich. We have governments that are actively redistributing wealth from
[38:15] are actively redistributing wealth from the working class to the very very
[38:18] the working class to the very very wealthy. And that is why we see record
[38:22] wealthy. And that is why we see record inequality. Government is actively
[38:24] inequality. Government is actively intervening in the economy to forcefully
[38:26] intervening in the economy to forcefully redistribute wealth up the chain.
[38:30] redistribute wealth up the chain. >> Up the chain.
[38:30] >> Up the chain. >> Absolutely. And there are countless
[38:32] >> Absolutely. And there are countless examples of it. When they block home
[38:34] examples of it. When they block home building with heavy regulations, they
[38:36] building with heavy regulations, they limit the supply of homes. Those who
[38:37] limit the supply of homes. Those who have mansions therefore are wit richer
[38:39] have mansions therefore are wit richer because their houses are worth more. But
[38:42] because their houses are worth more. But young people, newcomers, working-class
[38:43] young people, newcomers, working-class people can't actually get a home. Uh
[38:46] people can't actually get a home. Uh that is a one example of state
[38:48] that is a one example of state intervention. Well, we could do maybe do
[38:50] intervention. Well, we could do maybe do an illustration here.
[38:51] an illustration here. >> Okay. So, this is um this is the total
[38:53] >> Okay. So, this is um this is the total amount of land in Canada.
[38:55] amount of land in Canada. >> Yes.
[38:55] >> Yes. >> Where homes could be built. And actually
[38:57] >> Where homes could be built. And actually this is quite reflective I think of the
[38:59] this is quite reflective I think of the much of the western world even the UK
[39:02] much of the western world even the UK >> and this is a penny.
[39:03] >> and this is a penny. >> Yes.
[39:03] >> Yes. >> Do you you understand this
[39:04] >> Do you you understand this demonstration?
[39:05] demonstration? >> Yes. I think what you're trying to say
[39:06] >> Yes. I think what you're trying to say is that this is about how much land we
[39:08] is that this is about how much land we live on.
[39:08] live on. >> Yes.
[39:09] >> Yes. >> Yes.
[39:09] >> Yes. >> So um Canada is a great example of this
[39:13] >> So um Canada is a great example of this because we have 10 times as much land
[39:16] because we have 10 times as much land per person as the second closest G7
[39:18] per person as the second closest G7 country. And yet we have the fewest
[39:22] country. And yet we have the fewest homes per capita to live in. And why is
[39:25] homes per capita to live in. And why is that? It's because that the vast
[39:27] that? It's because that the vast majority of the cost that goes into
[39:28] majority of the cost that goes into building a new home is not land, labor,
[39:33] building a new home is not land, labor, or lumber. It's government. It's
[39:36] or lumber. It's government. It's government taxes, fees, charges, uh,
[39:39] government taxes, fees, charges, uh, bureaucracy,
[39:40] bureaucracy, lobbyists, consultants. So if you think
[39:43] lobbyists, consultants. So if you think of this home here,
[39:46] of this home here, this home here in Canada, when you buy
[39:50] this home here in Canada, when you buy this house, more of the money for your
[39:51] this house, more of the money for your purchase would go to bureaucrats in
[39:53] purchase would go to bureaucrats in office buildings than to the carpenters,
[39:56] office buildings than to the carpenters, electricians, and plumbers who actually
[39:58] electricians, and plumbers who actually build the home.
[39:59] build the home. >> Why? How?
[40:00] >> Why? How? >> Because the bureaucracy has grown like
[40:02] >> Because the bureaucracy has grown like um any organism in nature which seeks to
[40:05] um any organism in nature which seeks to to survive and multiply. They uh give us
[40:08] to survive and multiply. They uh give us the second slowest building permits of
[40:10] the second slowest building permits of any country in the OECD. They charge
[40:13] any country in the OECD. They charge enormous development taxes which started
[40:16] enormous development taxes which started out just to pay for plumbing and and
[40:19] out just to pay for plumbing and and roads for the the related housing but
[40:22] roads for the the related housing but now have grown into just a huge cash cow
[40:25] now have grown into just a huge cash cow for local governments because sales
[40:26] for local governments because sales taxes still apply on most new homes. And
[40:29] taxes still apply on most new homes. And all of that gets consp.
[40:36] In fact, we [music] uh we are the most
[40:37] In fact, we [music] uh we are the most expensive in the G7 even though we
[40:40] expensive in the G7 even though we should be it should be dirt cheap to own
[40:42] should be it should be dirt cheap to own a home in Canada because we have the
[40:43] a home in Canada because we have the most dirt to build on. Uh and my goal is
[40:47] most dirt to build on. Uh and my goal is to remove all of that bureaucracy speed
[40:50] to remove all of that bureaucracy speed have the fastest permits in the world
[40:52] have the fastest permits in the world and and make it tax-free to build homes
[40:55] and and make it tax-free to build homes so that everyone can afford one. I was
[40:57] so that everyone can afford one. I was reading some stat that said, again, I
[40:59] reading some stat that said, again, I might butcher this a little bit, but it
[41:00] might butcher this a little bit, but it said that Canada needs to build between
[41:03] said that Canada needs to build between four roughly 450,000 new homes every
[41:06] four roughly 450,000 new homes every single year until 2035.
[41:09] single year until 2035. >> Yes.
[41:09] >> Yes. >> Just to restore affordability.
[41:11] >> Just to restore affordability. >> That's right. And we're building about
[41:14] >> That's right. And we're building about 240,000 per year. So, we need to roughly
[41:18] 240,000 per year. So, we need to roughly double our home building to do that. The
[41:21] double our home building to do that. The good news is we have 100,000 Well, it's
[41:23] good news is we have 100,000 Well, it's not good news. We have 100,000
[41:25] not good news. We have 100,000 unemployed construction workers who'd be
[41:26] unemployed construction workers who'd be happy to pick up a hammer and start
[41:29] happy to pick up a hammer and start building. We have hundreds of billions
[41:31] building. We have hundreds of billions of dollars of investment that's ready to
[41:33] of dollars of investment that's ready to do it. We have an abundance of land.
[41:35] do it. We have an abundance of land. What we need are fast permits and low
[41:36] What we need are fast permits and low taxes so that we can unlock that
[41:38] taxes so that we can unlock that building.
[41:39] building. >> What is the case for slow permits?
[41:41] >> What is the case for slow permits? >> There isn't one.
[41:43] >> There isn't one. >> There isn't one.
[41:43] >> There isn't one. >> Zero. There is no benefit to having slow
[41:46] >> Zero. There is no benefit to having slow permits. They do not protect the
[41:48] permits. They do not protect the environment. They do not uh protect
[41:50] environment. They do not uh protect public safety. We used to build houses
[41:54] public safety. We used to build houses um a lot faster and they didn't fall
[41:56] um a lot faster and they didn't fall down. After the Second World War,
[41:58] down. After the Second World War, permits were almost instantaneous. We
[42:00] permits were almost instantaneous. We had a massive buildup of homes so that
[42:02] had a massive buildup of homes so that our returning veterans could have a
[42:03] our returning veterans could have a place to live. In many neighborhoods of
[42:05] place to live. In many neighborhoods of Canada, those homes are still standing.
[42:07] Canada, those homes are still standing. They have not collapsed. There's no I'm
[42:10] They have not collapsed. There's no I'm not saying we get rid of building codes.
[42:12] not saying we get rid of building codes. They should all have to follow standards
[42:15] They should all have to follow standards of environmental responsibility and be
[42:17] of environmental responsibility and be fire resistant and and safe. But it
[42:20] fire resistant and and safe. But it doesn't it shouldn't take seven years to
[42:21] doesn't it shouldn't take seven years to approve a subdivision to do that. We we
[42:23] approve a subdivision to do that. We we know how the the developers know how to
[42:26] know how the the developers know how to build according to the rules. They just
[42:28] build according to the rules. They just need quick permits and freed up land to
[42:30] need quick permits and freed up land to do it.
[42:30] do it. >> You'd think now with AI you'd be able to
[42:32] >> You'd think now with AI you'd be able to approve these permits within minutes.
[42:34] approve these permits within minutes. >> Look, with all the technology, housing
[42:36] >> Look, with all the technology, housing should be so much cheaper than it than
[42:38] should be so much cheaper than it than it was before. Uh in fact, everything
[42:41] it was before. Uh in fact, everything should be so much cheaper. But this is
[42:43] should be so much cheaper. But this is another area where government is re
[42:45] another area where government is re redistributing wealth from the working
[42:47] redistributing wealth from the working class to the super rich. It's the
[42:50] class to the super rich. It's the monetary inflation where we're creating
[42:53] monetary inflation where we're creating cash at a far faster rate than we're
[42:56] cash at a far faster rate than we're creating the stuff that cash buys. We've
[42:58] creating the stuff that cash buys. We've in Canada increased the number of homes
[43:01] in Canada increased the number of homes over the last 10 years by 13%. But we've
[43:04] over the last 10 years by 13%. But we've increased the money supply by 100%. In
[43:07] increased the money supply by 100%. In other words, there is now eight the the
[43:10] other words, there is now eight the the growth in the money supply is eight
[43:11] growth in the money supply is eight times faster than the growth in the
[43:13] times faster than the growth in the growth in the housing supply,
[43:14] growth in the housing supply, >> which means for the average person that
[43:17] >> which means for the average person that it bids up the price. Now, you might
[43:19] it bids up the price. Now, you might say, well, if everybody's equally
[43:20] say, well, if everybody's equally getting their share of that money, then
[43:24] getting their share of that money, then who cares? But they're not. There's
[43:26] who cares? But they're not. There's something called the Catalon effect,
[43:28] something called the Catalon effect, which is that the first people to touch
[43:30] which is that the first people to touch the money in a uh monetary expansion are
[43:33] the money in a uh monetary expansion are those who are already wealthy and
[43:35] those who are already wealthy and already connected to the financial
[43:37] already connected to the financial system. So when government creates cash
[43:39] system. So when government creates cash to fund its deficits, it doesn't just
[43:41] to fund its deficits, it doesn't just dump the the bills out of an airplane
[43:42] dump the the bills out of an airplane into a suburban neighborhood. It injects
[43:45] into a suburban neighborhood. It injects it into the banking system by buying
[43:47] it into the banking system by buying government bonds at inflated prices. And
[43:49] government bonds at inflated prices. And those who trade in those bonds are the
[43:51] those who trade in those bonds are the first to get the cash. Those connected
[43:52] first to get the cash. Those connected to the to the financial system are the
[43:54] to the to the financial system are the first to borrow it. they get to deploy
[43:56] first to borrow it. they get to deploy it before it loses its value. By the
[43:58] it before it loses its value. By the time it trickles down to the
[43:59] time it trickles down to the workingclass people, it's lost its value
[44:02] workingclass people, it's lost its value and their wages have been destroyed. And
[44:05] and their wages have been destroyed. And this has been happening on and off
[44:06] this has been happening on and off throughout all of human history. But
[44:09] throughout all of human history. But it's been particularly bad in the last
[44:10] it's been particularly bad in the last 55 years. And that is why I think the
[44:13] 55 years. And that is why I think the working class across the Western world
[44:15] working class across the Western world is so angry.
[44:16] is so angry. >> Canada have consistently dropped down
[44:18] >> Canada have consistently dropped down the sort of happiness league table.
[44:20] the sort of happiness league table. >> Well, actually from 2015 we've gone from
[44:23] >> Well, actually from 2015 we've gone from fifth to 25th. the 18th. We went from
[44:26] fifth to 25th. the 18th. We went from 18th to 25th just in the last year.
[44:28] 18th to 25th just in the last year. >> So you were the fifth happiest country
[44:30] >> So you were the fifth happiest country in the world and now you're 25th.
[44:31] in the world and now you're 25th. >> That's right. And part of it is food. We
[44:34] >> That's right. And part of it is food. We have the worst food price inflation in
[44:36] have the worst food price inflation in the G7 today. It's due to a lot of
[44:39] the G7 today. It's due to a lot of hidden taxes that are baked into food
[44:41] hidden taxes that are baked into food production. Uh we have an industrial
[44:43] production. Uh we have an industrial carbon tax that it charges on farm
[44:45] carbon tax that it charges on farm equipment, fertilizer, and uh food
[44:48] equipment, fertilizer, and uh food producers. We have a new fuel tax that's
[44:51] producers. We have a new fuel tax that's just come in. single-use plastic is now
[44:54] just come in. single-use plastic is now banned, which makes it that so that food
[44:56] banned, which makes it that so that food goes bad about five days quicker. So, it
[44:59] goes bad about five days quicker. So, it sounds kind of very virtuous. We're not
[45:00] sounds kind of very virtuous. We're not going to use plastic anymore, but it
[45:02] going to use plastic anymore, but it ultimately means food uh goes bad and
[45:04] ultimately means food uh goes bad and and somebody pays for that. So, uh we we
[45:08] and somebody pays for that. So, uh we we need I want to get rid of all of those
[45:09] need I want to get rid of all of those taxes and fees and unnecessary
[45:12] taxes and fees and unnecessary regulations that do nothing for our
[45:14] regulations that do nothing for our health and safety so that we can have
[45:16] health and safety so that we can have more affordable food. But um more
[45:19] more affordable food. But um more broadly, we have to get rid of the the
[45:21] broadly, we have to get rid of the the monetary inflation that I described. As
[45:24] monetary inflation that I described. As I said, we've doubled our money supply
[45:26] I said, we've doubled our money supply in Canada from 1.4 trillion to 2.8
[45:30] in Canada from 1.4 trillion to 2.8 trillion in 10 years. So, it is not
[45:32] trillion in 10 years. So, it is not actually that these things cost more.
[45:34] actually that these things cost more. It's that the money with which we buy
[45:36] It's that the money with which we buy them is worth less
[45:38] them is worth less >> because
[45:39] >> because >> because we're creating so much of it.
[45:41] >> because we're creating so much of it. And it's
[45:41] And it's >> and why why are you doing that?
[45:43] >> and why why are you doing that? >> To fund deficits
[45:44] >> To fund deficits >> to pay for debts.
[45:45] >> to pay for debts. >> That's right. And that's why all
[45:47] >> That's right. And that's why all government, it's not just Canada, by the
[45:48] government, it's not just Canada, by the way, it's across the Western world,
[45:50] way, it's across the Western world, they're creating cash to fund deficits.
[45:52] they're creating cash to fund deficits. >> And the deficits come from having a big
[45:54] >> And the deficits come from having a big government.
[45:55] government. >> Yes.
[45:56] >> Yes. >> Government that's too big.
[45:57] >> Government that's too big. >> That's right.
[45:57] >> That's right. >> That's too involved.
[45:58] >> That's too involved. >> That's right. And the result is that
[46:01] >> That's right. And the result is that we're we're creating cash faster than we
[46:03] we're we're creating cash faster than we grow food, build homes, or produce
[46:06] grow food, build homes, or produce energy. And my mission, Stephen, is to
[46:09] energy. And my mission, Stephen, is to flip that. I want us to create more of
[46:12] flip that. I want us to create more of what kash buys by unblocking food
[46:15] what kash buys by unblocking food production, energy production and home
[46:17] production, energy production and home building so that we add those things
[46:19] building so that we add those things faster than we add what um we add the
[46:23] faster than we add what um we add the cash to the system.
[46:24] cash to the system. >> Why I mean I saw this graph here this
[46:27] >> Why I mean I saw this graph here this chart which is GDP per capita with
[46:29] chart which is GDP per capita with international counterparts. So on there
[46:31] international counterparts. So on there it has Canada, United States, OECD and
[46:34] it has Canada, United States, OECD and it shows it's quite stark. It shows that
[46:36] it shows it's quite stark. It shows that Canada has basically plateaued in terms
[46:37] Canada has basically plateaued in terms of GDP per capita. What does for the
[46:39] of GDP per capita. What does for the average person what is GDP per capita?
[46:42] average person what is GDP per capita? What does that actually mean?
[46:43] What does that actually mean? >> It's your income really. It's the it it
[46:46] >> It's your income really. It's the it it ultimately the GDP gross domestic
[46:49] ultimately the GDP gross domestic product is the the value of all the
[46:51] product is the the value of all the things that you produce. If you're
[46:54] things that you produce. If you're producing more per person over time,
[46:58] producing more per person over time, people will see their wages rise, their
[47:00] people will see their wages rise, their real wages rise. If you don't produce
[47:02] real wages rise. If you don't produce more per person, then your wages are
[47:04] more per person, then your wages are flat. And so that is what we've
[47:07] flat. And so that is what we've effectively had in Canada over the last
[47:10] effectively had in Canada over the last 10 years.
[47:11] 10 years. >> Why? [snorts]
[47:14] >> Why? [snorts] >> Because we we are not unlocking our
[47:18] >> Because we we are not unlocking our resources. Our biggest industry is oil
[47:20] resources. Our biggest industry is oil and gas and it's locked behind uh very
[47:23] and gas and it's locked behind uh very aggressive anti-development laws and
[47:26] aggressive anti-development laws and bureaucracies because we're we're
[47:28] bureaucracies because we're we're blocking home building and because we're
[47:29] blocking home building and because we're overt taxing our population. We're
[47:31] overt taxing our population. We're punishing initiative with high taxes.
[47:34] punishing initiative with high taxes. The good news is that we can reverse all
[47:35] The good news is that we can reverse all of these things. If we we have the most
[47:38] of these things. If we we have the most prodevelopment, and the fastest permits
[47:40] prodevelopment, and the fastest permits in the world, if we cut taxes on work,
[47:42] in the world, if we cut taxes on work, investment, home building, and energy,
[47:44] investment, home building, and energy, then we can massively increase our
[47:47] then we can massively increase our output of the things that we need to
[47:49] output of the things that we need to have a good life and the wages that
[47:51] have a good life and the wages that people earn to buy it.
[47:53] people earn to buy it. >> This seems to be a familiar story across
[47:55] >> This seems to be a familiar story across some Western nations.
[47:56] some Western nations. >> It is.
[47:57] >> It is. >> What are those Western nations and what
[47:58] >> What are those Western nations and what is the thing that they've all got in
[48:00] is the thing that they've all got in wrong in common?
[48:02] wrong in common? Well, I think that it's probably true in
[48:03] Well, I think that it's probably true in the UK and the European Union as well.
[48:07] the UK and the European Union as well. Well, let's take Germany. They shut down
[48:09] Well, let's take Germany. They shut down their nuclear sector and they tried to
[48:11] their nuclear sector and they tried to effectively drive oil and gas out of
[48:13] effectively drive oil and gas out of their country. The end result was
[48:15] their country. The end result was extremely high energy costs. And this
[48:18] extremely high energy costs. And this was another intervention that took from
[48:19] was another intervention that took from workingclass people and gave to the very
[48:21] workingclass people and gave to the very rich. Those who were able to get the
[48:23] rich. Those who were able to get the subsidies for windmills and solar panels
[48:25] subsidies for windmills and solar panels got fabulously wealthy, all very
[48:27] got fabulously wealthy, all very powerful people. But the workers in the
[48:30] powerful people. But the workers in the in the plants and the mines of rural
[48:32] in the plants and the mines of rural Germany ended up losing their jobs and
[48:35] Germany ended up losing their jobs and paying higher prices for electricity.
[48:37] paying higher prices for electricity. All of which, by the way, has been
[48:39] All of which, by the way, has been reversed because now the Germans are
[48:40] reversed because now the Germans are back to burning coal. So it did
[48:42] back to burning coal. So it did absolutely nothing for the environment.
[48:44] absolutely nothing for the environment. Uh this is another example of government
[48:46] Uh this is another example of government intervention totally screwing over the
[48:48] intervention totally screwing over the working class, a phenomenon across the
[48:50] working class, a phenomenon across the western world. And this is the big lie.
[48:53] western world. And this is the big lie. The big lie is that when government gets
[48:55] The big lie is that when government gets big, it gives people their fair share.
[48:57] big, it gives people their fair share. What it does in fact is it gives the
[48:58] What it does in fact is it gives the money and the resources to those who
[49:00] money and the resources to those who have the most political power. Those
[49:02] have the most political power. Those people are all rich and it pays for it
[49:04] people are all rich and it pays for it by taking from the working class. So my
[49:06] by taking from the working class. So my mission in politics is to reverse that
[49:08] mission in politics is to reverse that entire approach. Have a small government
[49:10] entire approach. Have a small government with big people, a meritocracy that
[49:13] with big people, a meritocracy that rewards work and a free enterprise
[49:15] rewards work and a free enterprise system that requires businesses compete
[49:18] system that requires businesses compete for workers with higher wages and
[49:20] for workers with higher wages and consumers with lower prices.
[49:22] consumers with lower prices. >> I'm looking here at the GDP forecasts
[49:24] >> I'm looking here at the GDP forecasts for various countries around the world.
[49:26] for various countries around the world. In the United States, uh, GDP forecast
[49:28] In the United States, uh, GDP forecast looks like it's, um, it's been pretty,
[49:30] looks like it's, um, it's been pretty, you know, pretty strong relative to
[49:32] you know, pretty strong relative to others. Canada looks like it's going
[49:33] others. Canada looks like it's going down. 2025 estimates 1.7%,
[49:37] down. 2025 estimates 1.7%, 26 estimates 1.3. The United Kingdom as
[49:40] 26 estimates 1.3. The United Kingdom as well seems to have been lagging. Um,
[49:43] well seems to have been lagging. Um, both the United States and Canada. And
[49:45] both the United States and Canada. And Germany, as you said, in 2024, their GDP
[49:47] Germany, as you said, in 2024, their GDP growth was only 0.2, two, which is
[49:50] growth was only 0.2, two, which is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and
[49:51] hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of percentages lower than the
[49:53] hundreds of percentages lower than the United States, Canada, or even the UK.
[49:56] United States, Canada, or even the UK. But clearly there is a problem with GDP
[49:57] But clearly there is a problem with GDP growth here
[49:58] growth here >> um for Canada, for the United Sta, for
[50:01] >> um for Canada, for the United Sta, for the United Kingdom relative to a country
[50:03] the United Kingdom relative to a country like the United States. It looks like
[50:04] like the United States. It looks like the United States are doing something
[50:06] the United States are doing something right.
[50:06] right. >> If you look at GDP growth is the main
[50:08] >> If you look at GDP growth is the main measure.
[50:09] measure. >> Look, um there are some policies that we
[50:13] >> Look, um there are some policies that we can learn from. Um it's not just the
[50:15] can learn from. Um it's not just the United States though. Look at uh look at
[50:18] United States though. Look at uh look at Switzerland for example. Uh the Swiss
[50:20] Switzerland for example. Uh the Swiss are among the wealthiest in the world.
[50:22] are among the wealthiest in the world. They have the best money, the lowest
[50:23] They have the best money, the lowest inflation. They have almost no inflation
[50:25] inflation. They have almost no inflation in Switzerland by the way. They have
[50:27] in Switzerland by the way. They have very strong money. The the Swiss Frank
[50:30] very strong money. The the Swiss Frank is the best currency in the world,
[50:32] is the best currency in the world, better than the euro or the American
[50:33] better than the euro or the American dollar. What do they have? Free
[50:35] dollar. What do they have? Free enterprise, small government. the share
[50:37] enterprise, small government. the share of of the economy consumed by government
[50:39] of of the economy consumed by government spending is significantly lower than
[50:41] spending is significantly lower than anywhere else in the western world um
[50:44] anywhere else in the western world um outside of uh outside of Asia and so
[50:47] outside of uh outside of Asia and so they do very well. How is it that the
[50:48] they do very well. How is it that the Singaporeans have become one of the
[50:50] Singaporeans have become one of the wealthiest nations on earth? They have
[50:52] wealthiest nations on earth? They have no resources, literally nothing. They
[50:55] no resources, literally nothing. They have to import their water for God's
[50:57] have to import their water for God's sakes. They they took an a swampy uh
[51:00] sakes. They they took an a swampy uh mosquitoinfested island and three
[51:03] mosquitoinfested island and three peoples who were struggling to survive
[51:06] peoples who were struggling to survive in their homelands and they came
[51:07] in their homelands and they came together and created the wealthiest
[51:09] together and created the wealthiest country in the world outside of the Gulf
[51:11] country in the world outside of the Gulf States. Why? They have free enterprise.
[51:13] States. Why? They have free enterprise. They have low taxes. It's easy to start
[51:15] They have low taxes. It's easy to start a business. You're rewarded for your
[51:17] a business. You're rewarded for your hard work. This is the kind of thing we
[51:18] hard work. This is the kind of thing we could be doing.
[51:19] could be doing. >> So looking at the numbers of Singapore,
[51:20] >> So looking at the numbers of Singapore, Singapore operates in a league of its
[51:22] Singapore operates in a league of its own, outperforming both the UK, Canada,
[51:24] own, outperforming both the UK, Canada, and the USA in terms of growth. um and
[51:27] and the USA in terms of growth. um and per capita wealth as a hub economy. It
[51:30] per capita wealth as a hub economy. It is currently riding the wave of the
[51:31] is currently riding the wave of the global AI boom because they've enabled
[51:33] global AI boom because they've enabled entrepreneurship and it is more than GD
[51:36] entrepreneurship and it is more than GD from a GDP perspective last year more
[51:39] from a GDP perspective last year more than double the United States GDP
[51:40] than double the United States GDP growth. Um and I mean it's it's left uh
[51:44] growth. Um and I mean it's it's left uh Canada and the United Kingdom and even
[51:45] Canada and the United Kingdom and even Switzerland in its tracks in that
[51:47] Switzerland in its tracks in that regard. Interesting.
[51:48] regard. Interesting. >> It's a spectacular achievement. And I
[51:50] >> It's a spectacular achievement. And I mean uh Lee Kuanlu who founded the
[51:52] mean uh Lee Kuanlu who founded the country and created this miracle uh
[51:55] country and created this miracle uh should be studied by every leader in the
[51:57] should be studied by every leader in the world. Um because I don't think there's
[51:59] world. Um because I don't think there's anyone who's been able to generate such
[52:00] anyone who's been able to generate such a a a massive uh increase in the quality
[52:04] a a a massive uh increase in the quality of life and to do it with literally no
[52:06] of life and to do it with literally no resources whatsoever except for
[52:09] resources whatsoever except for geography that and they managed to
[52:10] geography that and they managed to exploit their geography as you said to
[52:13] exploit their geography as you said to be kind of like modern-day Nabotans.
[52:15] be kind of like modern-day Nabotans. They're a trading hub uh for for all of
[52:17] They're a trading hub uh for for all of Asia. Every sort of economic policy or
[52:21] Asia. Every sort of economic policy or philosophy does have a trade-off.
[52:23] philosophy does have a trade-off. >> I mean, it's one thing you learn as a
[52:24] >> I mean, it's one thing you learn as a podcaster. There's just always
[52:25] podcaster. There's just always trade-offs. And if you're not clear on
[52:27] trade-offs. And if you're not clear on what the trade-offs are, then they might
[52:28] what the trade-offs are, then they might surprise you,
[52:29] surprise you, >> right?
[52:29] >> right? >> I mean, that, you know, you can talk
[52:31] >> I mean, that, you know, you can talk about socialism or you can talk about
[52:32] about socialism or you can talk about capitalism, whatever. All of them have
[52:34] capitalism, whatever. All of them have trade-offs. What are the trade-offs of
[52:36] trade-offs. What are the trade-offs of your economic
[52:38] your economic strategy and philosophy?
[52:40] strategy and philosophy? >> Well, the the leadership has to have
[52:42] >> Well, the the leadership has to have humility because it has to let go of
[52:44] humility because it has to let go of power and and and turn it back to the
[52:46] power and and and turn it back to the people. And um that is a very hard thing
[52:48] people. And um that is a very hard thing for politicians to do. Um I mean uh no
[52:51] for politicians to do. Um I mean uh no politician wants to have written on
[52:53] politician wants to have written on their gravestone. Um he stayed out of
[52:55] their gravestone. Um he stayed out of the way, left people alone so that they
[52:57] the way, left people alone so that they could do great things without him.
[52:59] could do great things without him. [laughter]
[53:00] [laughter] Although I think we'd be better off if
[53:02] Although I think we'd be better off if more of them did. But I should also say
[53:04] more of them did. But I should also say that like there is a role for
[53:05] that like there is a role for government. I'm not suggesting that
[53:07] government. I'm not suggesting that there isn't. There there should be a
[53:08] there isn't. There there should be a basic social safety net that provides
[53:11] basic social safety net that provides the things that people who are less
[53:13] the things that people who are less advantaged would not be able to have for
[53:15] advantaged would not be able to have for themselves to make sure that everyone
[53:16] themselves to make sure that everyone has health care even if uh they can't
[53:18] has health care even if uh they can't afford to pay for it. That there's basic
[53:20] afford to pay for it. That there's basic schooling and roads and infrastructure.
[53:23] schooling and roads and infrastructure. But what happens is that once you get
[53:25] But what happens is that once you get beyond providing those basics and
[53:27] beyond providing those basics and government starts to to metastasize into
[53:29] government starts to to metastasize into well well uh all kinds of other things
[53:31] well well uh all kinds of other things that are not its core responsibility
[53:34] that are not its core responsibility each dollar spent has less and less
[53:36] each dollar spent has less and less return and then it turns into a negative
[53:38] return and then it turns into a negative return where the more they spend the
[53:40] return where the more they spend the more damage they do and I think we're
[53:42] more damage they do and I think we're beyond that point on the curve
[53:44] beyond that point on the curve >> because I'm thinking about how
[53:45] >> because I'm thinking about how immigration ties into all of this and to
[53:47] immigration ties into all of this and to GDP growth. I think in Canada from the
[53:49] GDP growth. I think in Canada from the research I was doing there has been a
[53:51] research I was doing there has been a decline in birth rates. Yes.
[53:53] decline in birth rates. Yes. >> So there's significantly less people
[53:55] >> So there's significantly less people getting married. There's significantly
[53:57] getting married. There's significantly less people being born. So how does one
[53:59] less people being born. So how does one run their economy when you're not having
[54:01] run their economy when you're not having new children being born without bringing
[54:04] new children being born without bringing in lots of immigrants to to help support
[54:06] in lots of immigrants to to help support that economy?
[54:09] that economy? >> Well, first of all, I think we have to
[54:10] >> Well, first of all, I think we have to ask ourselves why has the birth rate
[54:12] ask ourselves why has the birth rate gone down? And I I would argue that it's
[54:14] gone down? And I I would argue that it's economic re reasons. Uh if you cannot
[54:16] economic re reasons. Uh if you cannot afford a home, then you have no place to
[54:20] afford a home, then you have no place to raise children. Um, you know, we have
[54:22] raise children. Um, you know, we have this phenomenon of in Canada of
[54:24] this phenomenon of in Canada of 35-year-olds still living in their
[54:25] 35-year-olds still living in their parents' basements. And h how do you
[54:28] parents' basements. And h how do you even get a date? I mean, how do you
[54:30] even get a date? I mean, how do you bring a date home? [laughter]
[54:32] bring a date home? [laughter] You know, it's it's a challenge if if
[54:36] You know, it's it's a challenge if if you're 35. And these are great high
[54:38] you're 35. And these are great high achieving people who've got jobs, but
[54:41] achieving people who've got jobs, but they just can't afford a place to live
[54:43] they just can't afford a place to live or they're stuck in a a small apartment
[54:47] or they're stuck in a a small apartment because that's all their paycheck will
[54:49] because that's all their paycheck will buy them in the way of rent. And so I
[54:52] buy them in the way of rent. And so I think for those economic constraints, we
[54:54] think for those economic constraints, we we have a lot of young people who
[54:56] we have a lot of young people who otherwise would love to have children in
[54:58] otherwise would love to have children in their late 20s, early 30s who simply
[55:00] their late 20s, early 30s who simply have nowhere to raise them.
[55:02] have nowhere to raise them. >> Am I right in thinking that a lot of
[55:03] >> Am I right in thinking that a lot of these western economies have allowed a
[55:05] these western economies have allowed a lot of people into their countries to
[55:07] lot of people into their countries to make up for
[55:09] make up for the the willingness or desire or the
[55:11] the the willingness or desire or the availability of people to do the sort of
[55:13] availability of people to do the sort of low wage jobs? Is this is what is this
[55:16] low wage jobs? Is this is what is this what's happened globally? Because it's
[55:17] what's happened globally? Because it's what people tell me in the UK. Yes, I
[55:19] what people tell me in the UK. Yes, I think I frankly I think that a lot of
[55:20] think I frankly I think that a lot of multinational corporations have abused
[55:22] multinational corporations have abused the immigration system in order to drive
[55:25] the immigration system in order to drive down wages. Um in Canada, for example,
[55:28] down wages. Um in Canada, for example, the government massively expanded um the
[55:31] the government massively expanded um the international student and temporary
[55:32] international student and temporary foreign worker programs and that allowed
[55:36] foreign worker programs and that allowed corporations to pay artificially low
[55:38] corporations to pay artificially low wages to people who do not have the same
[55:42] wages to people who do not have the same mobility rights and opportunities. and
[55:45] mobility rights and opportunities. and that drove down wages, displaced people
[55:47] that drove down wages, displaced people from their jobs and ultimately ballooned
[55:50] from their jobs and ultimately ballooned housing costs. And so my position is
[55:52] housing costs. And so my position is that we need to to cap numbers um and
[55:55] that we need to to cap numbers um and ensure that the the economy, healthcare
[55:58] ensure that the the economy, healthcare and housing grows faster than the
[56:00] and housing grows faster than the population at all times.
[56:01] population at all times. >> If you cap numbers, does that mean that
[56:02] >> If you cap numbers, does that mean that these corporations, these entrepreneurs,
[56:04] these corporations, these entrepreneurs, these companies don't have enough people
[56:07] these companies don't have enough people to fill the roles in their companies and
[56:08] to fill the roles in their companies and therefore have to move somewhere else?
[56:09] therefore have to move somewhere else? What what does it mean? No, we have
[56:11] What what does it mean? No, we have unemployment. We have people without
[56:12] unemployment. We have people without jobs. But they just some multinationals
[56:15] jobs. But they just some multinationals don't want to pay full wages. So they
[56:17] don't want to pay full wages. So they think, well, I just undercut the wage by
[56:20] think, well, I just undercut the wage by bringing someone in from a very poor
[56:21] bringing someone in from a very poor country who's willing to work for a lot
[56:23] country who's willing to work for a lot less and who has fewer rights because
[56:25] less and who has fewer rights because they can't leave the job to go to
[56:26] they can't leave the job to go to another employer. So it's uh kind of
[56:29] another employer. So it's uh kind of like easy street. And so my view is that
[56:32] like easy street. And so my view is that when you've got unemployed people and
[56:34] when you've got unemployed people and you're trying to fill your workplace,
[56:35] you're trying to fill your workplace, pay higher wages. Give uh give people a
[56:38] pay higher wages. Give uh give people a better return on their work. You've got
[56:40] better return on their work. You've got unemployment. Are those people trained
[56:42] unemployment. Are those people trained and skilled and willing to do the jobs
[56:45] and skilled and willing to do the jobs that Canada needs them to do?
[56:47] that Canada needs them to do? >> Yes, absolutely. I mean, we have 100,000
[56:48] >> Yes, absolutely. I mean, we have 100,000 unemployed construction workers. They
[56:50] unemployed construction workers. They could be building the homes that we need
[56:52] could be building the homes that we need built. Uh we have um young people coming
[56:54] built. Uh we have um young people coming out of um out of high school without a
[56:57] out of um out of high school without a job. We have a 30-year highs in
[57:00] job. We have a 30-year highs in unemployment among youth. They should be
[57:03] unemployment among youth. They should be getting those jobs. And you know,
[57:04] getting those jobs. And you know, Starbucks says, "Well, they don't want
[57:06] Starbucks says, "Well, they don't want to take them." Well, maybe you're not
[57:07] to take them." Well, maybe you're not paying enough. If you're not paying the
[57:09] paying enough. If you're not paying the right wage, then you're not going to get
[57:10] right wage, then you're not going to get the right worker. But pay an equivalent
[57:12] the right worker. But pay an equivalent wage and you'll attract a worker who
[57:14] wage and you'll attract a worker who will who will do the job.
[57:15] will who will do the job. >> Again, I'm trying to play devil's
[57:16] >> Again, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. So, you know, Starbucks
[57:18] advocate here. So, you know, Starbucks increase wages. Yes. Which means that
[57:20] increase wages. Yes. Which means that Starbucks then will increase the cost of
[57:22] Starbucks then will increase the cost of a cup of coffee presumably.
[57:24] a cup of coffee presumably. >> Well, unless they can find more
[57:25] >> Well, unless they can find more efficient ways to run their systems. You
[57:28] efficient ways to run their systems. You know, more competition in the system
[57:30] know, more competition in the system will allow the worker to gain more and
[57:31] will allow the worker to gain more and the consumer to pay less. and the
[57:34] the consumer to pay less. and the entrepreneur in the middle has to find
[57:35] entrepreneur in the middle has to find ways to to save and operate more
[57:37] ways to to save and operate more efficiently. That's the magic of the
[57:39] efficiently. That's the magic of the market is that everybody has a a a
[57:42] market is that everybody has a a a vested interest in driving the most
[57:44] vested interest in driving the most value for the lowest cost.
[57:46] value for the lowest cost. >> One of the interesting ways lots of
[57:47] >> One of the interesting ways lots of employers are finding ways to drive
[57:48] employers are finding ways to drive efficiencies is this new technology
[57:50] efficiencies is this new technology called AI,
[57:51] called AI, >> right?
[57:51] >> right? >> And again, maybe somewhat ironically
[57:53] >> And again, maybe somewhat ironically here, Anthropic, who one of the world's
[57:55] here, Anthropic, who one of the world's leading AI companies, released a report
[57:57] leading AI companies, released a report two weeks ago. I'll throw the graph up
[57:59] two weeks ago. I'll throw the graph up on the screen, but it shows where job
[58:00] on the screen, but it shows where job disruption will take place based on how
[58:02] disruption will take place based on how people are currently using their tools.
[58:04] people are currently using their tools. And one of the things they noticed is
[58:06] And one of the things they noticed is that there's been a
[58:08] that there's been a increase by I think roughly 14% in youth
[58:11] increase by I think roughly 14% in youth unemployment because entry- levelvel
[58:12] unemployment because entry- levelvel jobs are the ones often in white collar
[58:15] jobs are the ones often in white collar industries that are being taken out
[58:16] industries that are being taken out first,
[58:16] first, >> right?
[58:17] >> right? >> And you hear these things and you go,
[58:18] >> And you hear these things and you go, oh, you know, that's some stats and
[58:19] oh, you know, that's some stats and whatever and it's, you know, not
[58:21] whatever and it's, you know, not necessarily tanked the economy yet. But
[58:23] necessarily tanked the economy yet. But as an employer of hundreds and hundreds
[58:24] as an employer of hundreds and hundreds of people all over the world now, I have
[58:26] of people all over the world now, I have started to notice that the case for
[58:30] started to notice that the case for hiring certain groups of people is
[58:33] hiring certain groups of people is becoming much more tricky now because of
[58:36] becoming much more tricky now because of these tools. And doesn't make me sound
[58:38] these tools. And doesn't make me sound great saying that. It's not that we're
[58:39] great saying that. It's not that we're not hiring hundreds of people, but
[58:40] not hiring hundreds of people, but there's this certain set when I look at
[58:42] there's this certain set when I look at specifically entry level grads. if they
[58:45] specifically entry level grads. if they aren't really AI proficient, they are a
[58:48] aren't really AI proficient, they are a lot less appealing in some roles than
[58:51] lot less appealing in some roles than people young grads that that are
[58:52] people young grads that that are extremely AI proficient. The problem is
[58:54] extremely AI proficient. The problem is not many of them are. And that just in a
[58:57] not many of them are. And that just in a company like mine, if you're AI
[58:59] company like mine, if you're AI proficient, really irrespective of age,
[59:00] proficient, really irrespective of age, and you know how to build this thing
[59:01] and you know how to build this thing called AI agents, it's kind of like you
[59:04] called AI agents, it's kind of like you come with 50 team members of your own.
[59:06] come with 50 team members of your own. >> Wow.
[59:07] >> Wow. >> That's what it's like. So, I've got a
[59:08] >> That's what it's like. So, I've got a kid called Cass here. You know, he's a
[59:10] kid called Cass here. You know, he's a young guy in his 20 his 20ies. He's
[59:13] young guy in his 20 his 20ies. He's built a team of agents that now work for
[59:15] built a team of agents that now work for him. So hiring Cass means I get Cass and
[59:19] him. So hiring Cass means I get Cass and his team of agents because he's
[59:20] his team of agents because he's proficient in that technology. Most of
[59:22] proficient in that technology. Most of the workforce hasn't been trained
[59:24] the workforce hasn't been trained because of the education system to know
[59:25] because of the education system to know a thing about this. So it's becoming
[59:27] a thing about this. So it's becoming increasingly difficult to to hire entry-
[59:29] increasingly difficult to to hire entry- level people but actually all the way up
[59:31] level people but actually all the way up the board unless you have deep expertise
[59:33] the board unless you have deep expertise in a domain which would mean that I can
[59:36] in a domain which would mean that I can get Cass to make you the agents. So like
[59:39] get Cass to make you the agents. So like on my CFO, you know, for example, you
[59:41] on my CFO, you know, for example, you know, 50 50 years working in finance,
[59:45] know, 50 50 years working in finance, etc. deep expertise. I just need her and
[59:48] etc. deep expertise. I just need her and then she can build out a team of AI
[59:49] then she can build out a team of AI agents to work with her. Back in the
[59:51] agents to work with her. Back in the day, if you'd got 5 years ago, I would
[59:53] day, if you'd got 5 years ago, I would have needed her and her to have a
[59:55] have needed her and her to have a massive team of people, right?
[59:56] massive team of people, right? >> I say all this to say that there's a
[59:58] >> I say all this to say that there's a certain group in society, people that
[01:00:00] certain group in society, people that have deep domain expertise and people
[01:00:01] have deep domain expertise and people that are technical that I think are in
[01:00:04] that are technical that I think are in higher demand than ever before. and
[01:00:06] higher demand than ever before. and everybody else um as AI continues to
[01:00:08] everybody else um as AI continues to replace them through things like
[01:00:09] replace them through things like autonomous driving and um robotics is
[01:00:11] autonomous driving and um robotics is around the corner um is I I think there
[01:00:14] around the corner um is I I think there needs to be a real conversation about
[01:00:16] needs to be a real conversation about what happens to these people.
[01:00:17] what happens to these people. >> Can I ask you a question?
[01:00:19] >> Can I ask you a question? >> So
[01:00:20] >> So throughout history we've had these
[01:00:22] throughout history we've had these scares where new technological
[01:00:24] scares where new technological developments
[01:00:26] developments have threatened to replace and in
[01:00:28] have threatened to replace and in reality have replaced certain human
[01:00:30] reality have replaced certain human labor. So you had like the during the
[01:00:32] labor. So you had like the during the industrial revolution machines were
[01:00:35] industrial revolution machines were replacing muscular power and then you
[01:00:36] replacing muscular power and then you had the lites who came and tried to
[01:00:38] had the lites who came and tried to smash those machines to protect their
[01:00:39] smash those machines to protect their jobs. In the end they just got different
[01:00:41] jobs. In the end they just got different jobs with higher pay because they could
[01:00:43] jobs with higher pay because they could do more with these machines and they
[01:00:45] do more with these machines and they didn't have to walk behind a you know a
[01:00:47] didn't have to walk behind a you know a mule's ass pushing a pushing a plow in
[01:00:50] mule's ass pushing a pushing a plow in the hot sun all day. They had a tractor
[01:00:52] the hot sun all day. They had a tractor that would pull the plow um and so on
[01:00:54] that would pull the plow um and so on and so forth. But and then in the in the
[01:00:57] and so forth. But and then in the in the dotcom era, we were told again that
[01:00:59] dotcom era, we were told again that people are going to lose their jobs to
[01:01:00] people are going to lose their jobs to computers.
[01:01:02] computers. In fact, they were made more productive
[01:01:03] In fact, they were made more productive by computers. Do you think this time is
[01:01:06] by computers. Do you think this time is fundamentally different than those prior
[01:01:09] fundamentally different than those prior technological revolutions?
[01:01:10] technological revolutions? >> I would say first thing is nobody knows.
[01:01:14] >> I would say first thing is nobody knows. The second thing I'd say is yes. Okay.
[01:01:16] The second thing I'd say is yes. Okay. >> And the reason I'd say yes is just the
[01:01:17] >> And the reason I'd say yes is just the speed of disruption. So unlike the in
[01:01:20] speed of disruption. So unlike the in the industrial revolution where you know
[01:01:21] the industrial revolution where you know it takes some time for the new
[01:01:23] it takes some time for the new technologies to become adopted because
[01:01:24] technologies to become adopted because of the nature of their of what those
[01:01:26] of the nature of their of what those technologies were this technology is
[01:01:28] technologies were this technology is built on the internet which has global
[01:01:30] built on the internet which has global distribution. So open claw is a good
[01:01:32] distribution. So open claw is a good example of a technology that is very to
[01:01:35] example of a technology that is very to to simplify it for the audience. It can
[01:01:37] to simplify it for the audience. It can do anything on my computer.
[01:01:40] do anything on my computer. So if I put a computer here on this
[01:01:42] So if I put a computer here on this table I can text openclaw on WhatsApp
[01:01:44] table I can text openclaw on WhatsApp and tell it to go on this podcast right
[01:01:47] and tell it to go on this podcast right now. Look at the part of the
[01:01:48] now. Look at the part of the conversation that was most replayed by
[01:01:50] conversation that was most replayed by the audience. Clip it. Add subtitles to
[01:01:52] the audience. Clip it. Add subtitles to it. Tweet it or send it to my Slack
[01:01:54] it. Tweet it or send it to my Slack channel. I can get it to I'll tell tell
[01:01:56] channel. I can get it to I'll tell tell you something I did the other day. I was
[01:01:58] you something I did the other day. I was in my house in Los Angeles and it was
[01:02:00] in my house in Los Angeles and it was very very hot cuz there's a heat wave at
[01:02:01] very very hot cuz there's a heat wave at the moment. So I said to it, can you can
[01:02:03] the moment. So I said to it, can you can you go on take a look at my house online
[01:02:06] you go on take a look at my house online um buy me a umbrella that I can put
[01:02:09] um buy me a umbrella that I can put because I like to work outside. I
[01:02:10] because I like to work outside. I actually voiced it this and what it did
[01:02:12] actually voiced it this and what it did is it went on Google Maps. It looked all
[01:02:13] is it went on Google Maps. It looked all around my house from all around the
[01:02:15] around my house from all around the outside because it knew where I lived
[01:02:16] outside because it knew where I lived for some bizarre reason. It knew that I
[01:02:18] for some bizarre reason. It knew that I charcoal umbrella at a certain size
[01:02:21] charcoal umbrella at a certain size would suit that table out there. It went
[01:02:23] would suit that table out there. It went on Amazon, found the charcoal umbrella,
[01:02:25] on Amazon, found the charcoal umbrella, it ordered it, arrives at my house,
[01:02:27] it ordered it, arrives at my house, >> and it transacted like you
[01:02:28] >> and it transacted like you >> transacted because it had my my login
[01:02:30] >> transacted because it had my my login details to transact on this particular
[01:02:31] details to transact on this particular website. So, but it's just, you know,
[01:02:34] website. So, but it's just, you know, the framing is it can do anything that
[01:02:35] the framing is it can do anything that you would you would do on a computer. um
[01:02:37] you would you would do on a computer. um a lot of people work on computers and
[01:02:40] a lot of people work on computers and the speed of adoption that we're seeing
[01:02:41] the speed of adoption that we're seeing is is staggering. So my my concern is
[01:02:43] is is staggering. So my my concern is actually the sort of near-term
[01:02:45] actually the sort of near-term displacement before we figure out the
[01:02:47] displacement before we figure out the types of jobs that um the types of new
[01:02:50] types of jobs that um the types of new jobs and then with robotics on the way,
[01:02:52] jobs and then with robotics on the way, you know, you hear someone like Elon
[01:02:53] you know, you hear someone like Elon Musk saying that there'll be more
[01:02:56] Musk saying that there'll be more humanoid robots than humans, you know,
[01:02:59] humanoid robots than humans, you know, and people say, well, you know, he's
[01:03:00] and people say, well, you know, he's saying that because he's a he's got a
[01:03:02] saying that because he's a he's got a vested interest, right? However, what
[01:03:04] vested interest, right? However, what I'd say is his timelines have sometimes
[01:03:06] I'd say is his timelines have sometimes not been right. But when he said he was
[01:03:08] not been right. But when he said he was going to make those spaceships land on
[01:03:10] going to make those spaceships land on chopsticks, the spaceships eventually
[01:03:13] chopsticks, the spaceships eventually >> Oh, he's a brilliant mind. Don't
[01:03:14] >> Oh, he's a brilliant mind. Don't underestimate him.
[01:03:15] underestimate him. >> And my car out there drives itself
[01:03:17] >> And my car out there drives itself [laughter] without without intervention.
[01:03:19] [laughter] without without intervention. So,
[01:03:20] So, >> I don't know. It's a really interesting
[01:03:21] >> I don't know. It's a really interesting time. I can both see why this techn is
[01:03:23] time. I can both see why this techn is going to change the world for the better
[01:03:25] going to change the world for the better and I believe it will. But then I'm just
[01:03:27] and I believe it will. But then I'm just really concerned about certain economies
[01:03:28] really concerned about certain economies and countries that aren't taking it
[01:03:30] and countries that aren't taking it seriously because they're so distracted
[01:03:32] seriously because they're so distracted by other things. Like a lot of them race
[01:03:34] by other things. Like a lot of them race baiting. A lot of them are like
[01:03:35] baiting. A lot of them are like immigration seems to be the winning
[01:03:36] immigration seems to be the winning lever. Like just say the brown people
[01:03:38] lever. Like just say the brown people are the problem. But I'm like maybe the
[01:03:40] are the problem. But I'm like maybe the alien is something else. Maybe the alien
[01:03:42] alien is something else. Maybe the alien is are these agents that are actually
[01:03:44] is are these agents that are actually going to take our jobs. I believe the
[01:03:46] going to take our jobs. I believe the basic human need is is meaning to have
[01:03:50] basic human need is is meaning to have the a purpose in life. And often the
[01:03:53] the a purpose in life. And often the question we have to ask is how can we
[01:03:56] question we have to ask is how can we guide
[01:03:57] guide this uh revolution in technology so that
[01:04:01] this uh revolution in technology so that it empowers people to do things that
[01:04:04] it empowers people to do things that continue to give them meaning. I think
[01:04:05] continue to give them meaning. I think it was John Adams who said something to
[01:04:07] it was John Adams who said something to the effect of my father studied
[01:04:11] the effect of my father studied warfare so that I would have the
[01:04:13] warfare so that I would have the security to study commerce. I study
[01:04:15] security to study commerce. I study commerce so that my children will have
[01:04:17] commerce so that my children will have the prosperity to study arts. If these
[01:04:21] the prosperity to study arts. If these new systems give us the ability to focus
[01:04:25] new systems give us the ability to focus on the things that we love doing that
[01:04:27] on the things that we love doing that give us meaning in our lives and that
[01:04:28] give us meaning in our lives and that could be a different thing for each
[01:04:30] could be a different thing for each person
[01:04:31] person while at the same time supplying with us
[01:04:33] while at the same time supplying with us with a lot of our material needs. It
[01:04:35] with a lot of our material needs. It could be very positive. If it simply
[01:04:38] could be very positive. If it simply strips away our own utility and leaves
[01:04:40] strips away our own utility and leaves lots of people without the ability to
[01:04:42] lots of people without the ability to work at all, then it could be very very
[01:04:43] work at all, then it could be very very dangerous to to our our our lives. So,
[01:04:47] dangerous to to our our our lives. So, uh I think that we have the public
[01:04:49] uh I think that we have the public policy objective is to to to ensure that
[01:04:51] policy objective is to to to ensure that it becomes an enabler of humanity, not a
[01:04:54] it becomes an enabler of humanity, not a replacement for it.
[01:04:56] replacement for it. >> So, you could come into power in is it
[01:04:57] >> So, you could come into power in is it 2029 if there's no uh overthrowing of
[01:05:01] 2029 if there's no uh overthrowing of the the current leader? [snorts]
[01:05:03] the the current leader? [snorts] >> 2029 is going to be an interesting time.
[01:05:05] >> 2029 is going to be an interesting time. uh if these sort of forecasts that we're
[01:05:07] uh if these sort of forecasts that we're getting from some of the world's leading
[01:05:08] getting from some of the world's leading experts in artificial intelligence and
[01:05:10] experts in artificial intelligence and robotics come true, have you thought
[01:05:12] robotics come true, have you thought much yet about how you would counteract
[01:05:15] much yet about how you would counteract that? What you would do to make sure
[01:05:17] that? What you would do to make sure that there isn't huge job job disruption
[01:05:19] that there isn't huge job job disruption because you know a lot of a lot of
[01:05:21] because you know a lot of a lot of people like Sam Alman have suggested
[01:05:23] people like Sam Alman have suggested through their actions that they might
[01:05:25] through their actions that they might support things like universal basic
[01:05:27] support things like universal basic income. In fact, Sam Alman's Sam Alman
[01:05:29] income. In fact, Sam Alman's Sam Alman being the founder and um co-founder of
[01:05:31] being the founder and um co-founder of OpenAI, which makes Chat GBT. I think
[01:05:34] OpenAI, which makes Chat GBT. I think his other startup is called WorldCoin,
[01:05:36] his other startup is called WorldCoin, which uses your retina scan to to
[01:05:39] which uses your retina scan to to validate that you're a real human being
[01:05:41] validate that you're a real human being so that you they can distribute money to
[01:05:44] so that you they can distribute money to people because in a world of AI, we're
[01:05:46] people because in a world of AI, we're going to need to find a way to
[01:05:47] going to need to find a way to distribute wealth. And if you listen to
[01:05:49] distribute wealth. And if you listen to Elon, he says, "We're going to live in
[01:05:50] Elon, he says, "We're going to live in the age of abundance where working is
[01:05:51] the age of abundance where working is going to be optional." He says, "Now, if
[01:05:53] going to be optional." He says, "Now, if you're a surgeon and you're training to
[01:05:55] you're a surgeon and you're training to be a surgeon," he says, "Absolutely
[01:05:56] be a surgeon," he says, "Absolutely don't. Because in a couple of couple of
[01:05:58] don't. Because in a couple of couple of years time there's going to be no human
[01:06:00] years time there's going to be no human that's better than any AI surgeon.
[01:06:03] that's better than any AI surgeon. >> Wow. So if these things are true like
[01:06:05] >> Wow. So if these things are true like surely you should be making plans
[01:06:08] surely you should be making plans and you know when a lot of smart you
[01:06:10] and you know when a lot of smart you know I know they have an incentive
[01:06:11] know I know they have an incentive they're raising money and they want they
[01:06:13] they're raising money and they want they have a certain narrative which helps
[01:06:14] have a certain narrative which helps them raise money but if they are right
[01:06:18] them raise money but if they are right the future looks very different from the
[01:06:20] the future looks very different from the past.
[01:06:21] past. >> That's true.
[01:06:22] >> That's true. >> Do you have a plan?
[01:06:24] >> Do you have a plan? I I have principles that I would apply
[01:06:26] I I have principles that I would apply as these technologies present
[01:06:28] as these technologies present themselves. And the principle for me is
[01:06:31] themselves. And the principle for me is how do we make sure that the AI
[01:06:34] how do we make sure that the AI enables and empowers people to make more
[01:06:37] enables and empowers people to make more decisions for themselves and have more
[01:06:39] decisions for themselves and have more freedom and a and um to pursue their own
[01:06:42] freedom and a and um to pursue their own meaning
[01:06:44] meaning rather than replacing and rendering them
[01:06:47] rather than replacing and rendering them um giving them a sense of of lost
[01:06:50] um giving them a sense of of lost meaning and purpose. And so, do I think
[01:06:54] meaning and purpose. And so, do I think it's great that every minimum wage
[01:06:56] it's great that every minimum wage worker might have a personal assistant
[01:06:58] worker might have a personal assistant and a chauffeur vehicle? I do. Because
[01:07:00] and a chauffeur vehicle? I do. Because that that would make more of their life
[01:07:02] that that would make more of their life uh uh they could spend on the the things
[01:07:05] uh uh they could spend on the the things that thrill them and make them happy and
[01:07:07] that thrill them and make them happy and less of their life would be spent on the
[01:07:09] less of their life would be spent on the drudgery of having to drive in a traffic
[01:07:11] drudgery of having to drive in a traffic jam or uh or, you know, sweep their
[01:07:13] jam or uh or, you know, sweep their floor. Um but uh at the same time we
[01:07:17] floor. Um but uh at the same time we have to make sure that that people have
[01:07:19] have to make sure that that people have the ability to work and contribute and
[01:07:22] the ability to work and contribute and and give themselves a sense of meaning
[01:07:23] and give themselves a sense of meaning in their lives. So the other thing I
[01:07:26] in their lives. So the other thing I would say is that as these technologies
[01:07:28] would say is that as these technologies bring down costs, those savings should
[01:07:31] bring down costs, those savings should be passed on to people. They should not
[01:07:33] be passed on to people. They should not be inflated away. The government should
[01:07:35] be inflated away. The government should not use this as an opportunity to just
[01:07:36] not use this as an opportunity to just print more cash to reflate the cost of
[01:07:38] print more cash to reflate the cost of living. We should actually seek as our
[01:07:40] living. We should actually seek as our goal to lower the cost of living, make
[01:07:43] goal to lower the cost of living, make life more affordable, make our dollars
[01:07:45] life more affordable, make our dollars go further, which is which hasn't
[01:07:47] go further, which is which hasn't happened in in generations. And so if
[01:07:50] happened in in generations. And so if technology is going to allow us to
[01:07:51] technology is going to allow us to produce more for less, then let's make
[01:07:53] produce more for less, then let's make sure that the workingclass people
[01:07:54] sure that the workingclass people actually enjoy that benefit rather than
[01:07:58] actually enjoy that benefit rather than having it inflated away. It is quite
[01:07:59] having it inflated away. It is quite concerning that you know if wealth does
[01:08:01] concerning that you know if wealth does acrew to these big companies and you
[01:08:03] acrew to these big companies and you know people like Elon who incredible
[01:08:05] know people like Elon who incredible entrepreneur
[01:08:06] entrepreneur >> is going to become the world's first
[01:08:08] >> is going to become the world's first trillionaire right
[01:08:09] trillionaire right >> I don't think he'll be the last the way
[01:08:11] >> I don't think he'll be the last the way things are going with with artificial
[01:08:12] things are going with with artificial intelligence that and then if there is
[01:08:15] intelligence that and then if there is job disruption
[01:08:17] job disruption I do think there's going to potentially
[01:08:18] I do think there's going to potentially need to be some government intervention
[01:08:22] need to be some government intervention corrective government intervention do
[01:08:23] corrective government intervention do you not I don't know
[01:08:25] you not I don't know >> nobody knows exactly what's going to
[01:08:26] >> nobody knows exactly what's going to happen I mean it was you know um Paul
[01:08:29] happen I mean it was you know um Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prizewinning uh
[01:08:32] Krugman, the Nobel Prizewinning uh economist who embarrassingly predicted
[01:08:35] economist who embarrassingly predicted that the internet would have no more
[01:08:36] that the internet would have no more impact on our lives than the fax
[01:08:38] impact on our lives than the fax machine.
[01:08:39] machine. >> And and [clears throat] he's a Nobel
[01:08:40] >> And and [clears throat] he's a Nobel Prize uh economist, I think, from
[01:08:41] Prize uh economist, I think, from Princeton or Yale or something. So
[01:08:44] Princeton or Yale or something. So nobody's Nostradamus on these things,
[01:08:46] nobody's Nostradamus on these things, but we have to have guiding principles
[01:08:49] but we have to have guiding principles and and mine are the rules around
[01:08:51] and and mine are the rules around technology should always be geared
[01:08:52] technology should always be geared towards giving people more agency, more
[01:08:55] towards giving people more agency, more meaning, and more control over their
[01:08:56] meaning, and more control over their lives and not less.
[01:08:59] lives and not less. >> It's funny cuz I don't hear it reflected
[01:09:01] >> It's funny cuz I don't hear it reflected enough in political discourse. I hear us
[01:09:03] enough in political discourse. I hear us focusing on other things. And one of
[01:09:05] focusing on other things. And one of those things is immigration. across the
[01:09:08] those things is immigration. across the western world, the subject of
[01:09:09] western world, the subject of immigration seems to be a bit of a
[01:09:11] immigration seems to be a bit of a winning formula for political leaders.
[01:09:13] winning formula for political leaders. If I think about the UK, what Trump said
[01:09:16] If I think about the UK, what Trump said about, you know, being invaded by
[01:09:18] about, you know, being invaded by rapists and murderers from the the
[01:09:20] rapists and murderers from the the southern border, do you feel that it's a
[01:09:22] southern border, do you feel that it's a it's a sort of a weaponized, divisive
[01:09:24] it's a sort of a weaponized, divisive tool for people to get elected,
[01:09:26] tool for people to get elected, complaining about the brown people or or
[01:09:29] complaining about the brown people or or foreigners? I
[01:09:30] foreigners? I >> I'll just give you the Canadian
[01:09:31] >> I'll just give you the Canadian experience. So for roughly 200 years, we
[01:09:34] experience. So for roughly 200 years, we had the most successful immigration
[01:09:36] had the most successful immigration system in the world by far. In fact,
[01:09:38] system in the world by far. In fact, other countries, both Republicans and
[01:09:40] other countries, both Republicans and Democrats in the United States used to
[01:09:42] Democrats in the United States used to say, "We need to study the Canadian
[01:09:43] say, "We need to study the Canadian system because it has been so
[01:09:44] system because it has been so successful." We had a point system that
[01:09:46] successful." We had a point system that that measured whether someone would be a
[01:09:48] that measured whether someone would be a good fit for our labor market, whether
[01:09:50] good fit for our labor market, whether they would would integrate well into our
[01:09:51] they would would integrate well into our our system. And overwhelmingly, people
[01:09:54] our system. And overwhelmingly, people integrated, intermarried, uh, you know,
[01:09:57] integrated, intermarried, uh, you know, my wife is a is a refugee from
[01:09:59] my wife is a is a refugee from Venezuela. That is not an uncommon story
[01:10:01] Venezuela. That is not an uncommon story in Canada. What we encountered was a
[01:10:04] in Canada. What we encountered was a very sudden and inexplicable increase in
[01:10:06] very sudden and inexplicable increase in the numbers uh in the period from 2021
[01:10:09] the numbers uh in the period from 2021 to 2024
[01:10:11] to 2024 that was strictly out of line with our
[01:10:14] that was strictly out of line with our our ability to absorb people into
[01:10:17] our ability to absorb people into housing, healthcare, and jobs. And this
[01:10:19] housing, healthcare, and jobs. And this upset the the social piece on
[01:10:21] upset the the social piece on immigration that we had had for two
[01:10:23] immigration that we had had for two centuries leading up to it. And um now
[01:10:27] centuries leading up to it. And um now everyone across the political spectrum
[01:10:30] everyone across the political spectrum agrees that it went too far too fast.
[01:10:33] agrees that it went too far too fast. And the approach that we're taking is
[01:10:36] And the approach that we're taking is that uh that we have to make it a lawful
[01:10:38] that uh that we have to make it a lawful system. It has to follow the rules. You
[01:10:41] system. It has to follow the rules. You people have to come in legally in
[01:10:43] people have to come in legally in numbers that we can absorb and
[01:10:45] numbers that we can absorb and ultimately integrate into jobs, society,
[01:10:49] ultimately integrate into jobs, society, and uh our way of life. population
[01:10:51] and uh our way of life. population cannot grow faster than the housing
[01:10:53] cannot grow faster than the housing stock or you'll run out of places to
[01:10:55] stock or you'll run out of places to live. It can't grow faster than the
[01:10:57] live. It can't grow faster than the number of jobs or you'll run out of
[01:10:59] number of jobs or you'll run out of paychecks for people. And so we need a a
[01:11:02] paychecks for people. And so we need a a controlled orderly system that's both
[01:11:05] controlled orderly system that's both compassionate and common sense.
[01:11:06] compassionate and common sense. >> It's such a divisive subject. You've
[01:11:08] >> It's such a divisive subject. You've seen what's happened here in the United
[01:11:09] seen what's happened here in the United States with ICE,
[01:11:10] States with ICE, >> right? Yeah. It it's a it's a different
[01:11:13] >> right? Yeah. It it's a it's a different situation in the US. Um we the
[01:11:17] situation in the US. Um we the immigration problem in the US goes back
[01:11:19] immigration problem in the US goes back many many years. uh many many years of
[01:11:21] many many years. uh many many years of chaos at their the southern border. We
[01:11:23] chaos at their the southern border. We didn't have that in Canada. Like that
[01:11:25] didn't have that in Canada. Like that was unheard of. We we had roughly 1% of
[01:11:29] was unheard of. We we had roughly 1% of population immigrating to Canada for 200
[01:11:33] population immigrating to Canada for 200 years. It was uncontroversial in Canada
[01:11:36] years. It was uncontroversial in Canada up until this very strange, inexplicable
[01:11:40] up until this very strange, inexplicable spike that really only helped very
[01:11:43] spike that really only helped very wealthy landlords and employers that
[01:11:47] wealthy landlords and employers that wanted to drive wages down and rents up.
[01:11:49] wanted to drive wages down and rents up. they were the only beneficiaries of the
[01:11:52] they were the only beneficiaries of the extreme increase in numbers.
[01:11:54] extreme increase in numbers. >> If you don't get the replacement rate
[01:11:56] >> If you don't get the replacement rate back up to a level where you're having
[01:11:58] back up to a level where you're having enough kids in Canada,
[01:11:59] enough kids in Canada, >> does it track that eventually you would
[01:12:01] >> does it track that eventually you would have to rely on more immigration
[01:12:04] have to rely on more immigration to solve for the sort of GDP issues?
[01:12:07] to solve for the sort of GDP issues? >> Look, economic immigration of
[01:12:09] >> Look, economic immigration of high-skilled um people to our country is
[01:12:12] high-skilled um people to our country is is has always been successful and uh
[01:12:16] is has always been successful and uh nobody resents that. Uh, one of the
[01:12:19] nobody resents that. Uh, one of the things that we have to do though is when
[01:12:20] things that we have to do though is when people get to Canada, they have to be
[01:12:22] people get to Canada, they have to be able to fulfill their potential. In
[01:12:23] able to fulfill their potential. In Canada today, we have these gatekeepers
[01:12:26] Canada today, we have these gatekeepers that block immigrant professionals from
[01:12:28] that block immigrant professionals from even working in their field. So, for
[01:12:30] even working in their field. So, for example, we have 20,000 immigrant
[01:12:33] example, we have 20,000 immigrant doctors and 32,000 immigrant nurses who
[01:12:35] doctors and 32,000 immigrant nurses who can't work in medicine because they
[01:12:37] can't work in medicine because they can't get a license to practice. There's
[01:12:39] can't get a license to practice. There's this incredibly bureaucratic system they
[01:12:41] this incredibly bureaucratic system they have to go through that takes eight or
[01:12:43] have to go through that takes eight or nine years to prove that they actually
[01:12:44] nine years to prove that they actually have the qualifications.
[01:12:46] have the qualifications. I have it's so crazy that when I went in
[01:12:48] I have it's so crazy that when I went in for my eye surgery, there's a technician
[01:12:50] for my eye surgery, there's a technician there who literally flies to the UAE to
[01:12:54] there who literally flies to the UAE to do eye surgeries 10 days a month and
[01:12:57] do eye surgeries 10 days a month and then comes back to his family in Ottawa
[01:12:59] then comes back to his family in Ottawa where we only let him work as as a
[01:13:01] where we only let him work as as a technician. And so UAE is a more
[01:13:05] technician. And so UAE is a more technologically advanced country than
[01:13:06] technologically advanced country than Canada. And eyeballs are the same in the
[01:13:09] Canada. And eyeballs are the same in the UAE as they are in Canada. immigrants in
[01:13:12] UAE as they are in Canada. immigrants in Canada have historically been more
[01:13:14] Canada have historically been more educated than our Canadian-born
[01:13:16] educated than our Canadian-born population just in terms of their
[01:13:18] population just in terms of their credentials, but have not been able to
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[01:13:23] fulfill their work because our licensing system shuts them out. So, I want to fix
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[01:16:28] do you think to the western world and the western way of living? Cuz people
[01:16:29] the western way of living? Cuz people often, you know, they point at Iran,
[01:16:30] often, you know, they point at Iran, they say China, they say Russia.
[01:16:32] they say China, they say Russia. >> I think it depends on what China decides
[01:16:34] >> I think it depends on what China decides to do. I China is a a spectacular and
[01:16:38] to do. I China is a a spectacular and brilliant civilization with so much to
[01:16:41] brilliant civilization with so much to contribute to to world harmony. if
[01:16:44] contribute to to world harmony. if that's their choice. If the if the
[01:16:46] that's their choice. If the if the government decides that it's going to to
[01:16:49] government decides that it's going to to direct the immense um successes of that
[01:16:52] direct the immense um successes of that country towards um trading and working
[01:16:55] country towards um trading and working with other countries, then there's no
[01:16:57] with other countries, then there's no nothing to worry about. But if it is a
[01:16:59] nothing to worry about. But if it is a very aggressive Bellose approach using
[01:17:02] very aggressive Bellose approach using technology for espionage uh interference
[01:17:06] technology for espionage uh interference in foreign countries as they have done
[01:17:07] in foreign countries as they have done in Canada uh invading Taiwan then China
[01:17:11] in Canada uh invading Taiwan then China and Beijing in particular the regime
[01:17:14] and Beijing in particular the regime could become the biggest risk and threat
[01:17:16] could become the biggest risk and threat to our country and our world.
[01:17:18] to our country and our world. >> What does history say about this kind of
[01:17:20] >> What does history say about this kind of moment in time where there's seemingly
[01:17:22] moment in time where there's seemingly two world powers? Mhm. Well, there is an
[01:17:24] two world powers? Mhm. Well, there is an incredible book called Thusidities Trap
[01:17:27] incredible book called Thusidities Trap uh which a professor named Allison um
[01:17:30] uh which a professor named Allison um said that throughout history he took I
[01:17:33] said that throughout history he took I think 20 occasions where the where an
[01:17:38] think 20 occasions where the where an incumbent superpower was caught up on by
[01:17:42] incumbent superpower was caught up on by a challenging superpower and in I think
[01:17:45] a challenging superpower and in I think the majority of cases it did end up in
[01:17:47] the majority of cases it did end up in war and now he said it's not necessary
[01:17:50] war and now he said it's not necessary though and it doesn't have to happen. it
[01:17:52] though and it doesn't have to happen. it can be avoided and uh he lays out a plan
[01:17:55] can be avoided and uh he lays out a plan in his book for it to be avoided. I
[01:17:57] in his book for it to be avoided. I think it can be avoided as well if uh
[01:18:00] think it can be avoided as well if uh Beijing can be made to understand that
[01:18:02] Beijing can be made to understand that it is in in the interest of China to be
[01:18:04] it is in in the interest of China to be part of the community of nations to work
[01:18:06] part of the community of nations to work collaboratively to trade freely to uh to
[01:18:09] collaboratively to trade freely to uh to be a partner rather than an enemy and I
[01:18:12] be a partner rather than an enemy and I hope they make the right decision. Is it
[01:18:14] hope they make the right decision. Is it fair to say that the United States is
[01:18:16] fair to say that the United States is really at war with China now already,
[01:18:18] really at war with China now already, but just through proxy wars and other
[01:18:20] but just through proxy wars and other types of sort of economic wars? And
[01:18:22] types of sort of economic wars? And because now that they both have nuclear
[01:18:23] because now that they both have nuclear weapons, you can't really have a direct
[01:18:27] weapons, you can't really have a direct conflict, can you?
[01:18:28] conflict, can you? >> Well, let let's put it this way. Um,
[01:18:33] >> Well, let let's put it this way. Um, Venezuela,
[01:18:35] Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, these are all countries that
[01:18:38] Iran, Cuba, these are all countries that were in the realm of influence of
[01:18:40] were in the realm of influence of Beijing.
[01:18:41] Beijing. and um they're the countries where the
[01:18:45] and um they're the countries where the United States is pursuing uh change. So
[01:18:48] United States is pursuing uh change. So there there is the the war that we watch
[01:18:51] there there is the the war that we watch on the evening news and the the real
[01:18:54] on the evening news and the the real interest behind them that that is
[01:18:56] interest behind them that that is driving it.
[01:18:57] driving it. >> Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons,
[01:18:58] >> Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons, does it?
[01:18:58] does it? >> No, we do not.
[01:18:59] >> No, we do not. >> Why?
[01:19:00] >> Why? >> We made a decision, I think it was about
[01:19:02] >> We made a decision, I think it was about I I want to say about 40 or 50 years ago
[01:19:05] I I want to say about 40 or 50 years ago not to pursue nuclear arm. We didn't
[01:19:07] not to pursue nuclear arm. We didn't think we had any need need for it. lots
[01:19:09] think we had any need need for it. lots of nuclear power, lots of uranium, but
[01:19:11] of nuclear power, lots of uranium, but we don't use it for for weaponry.
[01:19:13] we don't use it for for weaponry. >> Do you think Canada should have nuclear
[01:19:15] >> Do you think Canada should have nuclear weapons?
[01:19:16] weapons? >> I don't see a need for that. Um I don't
[01:19:19] >> I don't see a need for that. Um I don't know what we would get from it. We don't
[01:19:21] know what we would get from it. We don't uh we don't have any desire to to
[01:19:24] uh we don't have any desire to to threaten anyone with nuclear weapons.
[01:19:25] threaten anyone with nuclear weapons. So, um uh I don't I don't see a purpose
[01:19:29] So, um uh I don't I don't see a purpose for that right now.
[01:19:32] for that right now. [laughter]
[01:19:32] [laughter] >> What you think?
[01:19:34] >> What you think? >> Sounds quite Canadian.
[01:19:36] >> Sounds quite Canadian. >> That's true. But listen, we are a
[01:19:39] >> That's true. But listen, we are a warrior nation. Uh make no mistake about
[01:19:41] warrior nation. Uh make no mistake about it. We were in the World Wars two years
[01:19:42] it. We were in the World Wars two years before the Americans. Uh and we we are
[01:19:47] before the Americans. Uh and we we are we're kind of like a a golden retriever.
[01:19:49] we're kind of like a a golden retriever. Uh we're friendly. We're likable. Uh we
[01:19:52] Uh we're friendly. We're likable. Uh we like to get along, but if provoked, we
[01:19:54] like to get along, but if provoked, we will fight back.
[01:19:55] will fight back. >> Canada is building up its military.
[01:19:57] >> Canada is building up its military. >> Absolutely.
[01:19:58] >> Absolutely. >> Why? because there's a consensus that we
[01:20:01] >> Why? because there's a consensus that we have not done enough to to protect our
[01:20:03] have not done enough to to protect our territory from the incursions of hostile
[01:20:07] territory from the incursions of hostile powers and uh we often say in Canada if
[01:20:10] powers and uh we often say in Canada if you don't use it you lose it. Uh there's
[01:20:12] you don't use it you lose it. Uh there's large territories of our country that
[01:20:14] large territories of our country that are very hard to live in. We have an
[01:20:16] are very hard to live in. We have an incredible Inuit population but
[01:20:19] incredible Inuit population but obviously you know you can't heavily
[01:20:21] obviously you know you can't heavily populate the Arctic archipelago with
[01:20:24] populate the Arctic archipelago with industry and stuff. So, how do you
[01:20:26] industry and stuff. So, how do you assert sovereignty over those treasured
[01:20:29] assert sovereignty over those treasured uh territories? Well, you have to have a
[01:20:31] uh territories? Well, you have to have a military presence there.
[01:20:32] military presence there. >> What's changed
[01:20:34] >> What's changed >> for Canada? It's it's that we want to
[01:20:37] >> for Canada? It's it's that we want to maintain and ensure that we can make our
[01:20:39] maintain and ensure that we can make our own decisions without relying on the
[01:20:41] own decisions without relying on the Americans
[01:20:42] Americans >> because the Americans have expressed
[01:20:44] >> because the Americans have expressed that they are maybe not going to be as
[01:20:46] that they are maybe not going to be as collaborative and friendly
[01:20:47] collaborative and friendly >> and we want to be able to decide for
[01:20:48] >> and we want to be able to decide for ourselves. We want to be masters in our
[01:20:50] ourselves. We want to be masters in our own home. uh in Quebec they say mashu
[01:20:53] own home. uh in Quebec they say mashu and uh so if we want to control our own
[01:20:56] and uh so if we want to control our own destiny and territory we have to pro we
[01:20:57] destiny and territory we have to pro we have to be able to protect ourselves. It
[01:20:59] have to be able to protect ourselves. It has been
[01:21:01] has been very good for Canada to be next door to
[01:21:03] very good for Canada to be next door to the biggest military power the world has
[01:21:05] the biggest military power the world has ever seen and have friend friendly
[01:21:07] ever seen and have friend friendly relations that go back to um the early
[01:21:10] relations that go back to um the early 1800s before we were even a country. We
[01:21:13] 1800s before we were even a country. We had largely friendly relations with this
[01:21:16] had largely friendly relations with this enormous power. But what has become
[01:21:18] enormous power. But what has become clear is that we cannot simply rely on
[01:21:21] clear is that we cannot simply rely on the Americans to protect us. We have to
[01:21:23] the Americans to protect us. We have to be able to protect ourselves. And that
[01:21:25] be able to protect ourselves. And that requires a massive military buildup for
[01:21:27] requires a massive military buildup for a country of our size, the second
[01:21:29] a country of our size, the second biggest country anywhere in the world.
[01:21:30] biggest country anywhere in the world. We have the longest oceanic coastline,
[01:21:32] We have the longest oceanic coastline, even longer than Russia. So that takes
[01:21:35] even longer than Russia. So that takes money and it takes a a buildup like
[01:21:38] money and it takes a a buildup like we've never seen. And that's what we're
[01:21:40] we've never seen. And that's what we're we as Canadians agree has to happen.
[01:21:42] we as Canadians agree has to happen. Now,
[01:21:43] Now, >> this is in part because of Trump.
[01:21:45] >> this is in part because of Trump. >> In part, yes. because Trump threw the
[01:21:47] >> In part, yes. because Trump threw the election and then thereafter said that
[01:21:48] election and then thereafter said that he was going to make Canada an American
[01:21:50] he was going to make Canada an American state [laughter]
[01:21:52] state [laughter] >> which is never going to happen.
[01:21:54] >> which is never going to happen. >> But that you know with the the leader of
[01:21:57] >> But that you know with the the leader of the most powerful military on earth says
[01:22:00] the most powerful military on earth says even jokingly that they are about to
[01:22:02] even jokingly that they are about to take your country you can laugh but at
[01:22:06] take your country you can laugh but at the same time one if I was leading
[01:22:09] the same time one if I was leading Canada I'd go wait is this possible? Are
[01:22:11] Canada I'd go wait is this possible? Are we ready to defend ourselves? we uh as
[01:22:14] we ready to defend ourselves? we uh as Canadians react very badly to that and
[01:22:16] Canadians react very badly to that and uh we're we're we're not going to uh
[01:22:19] uh we're we're we're not going to uh ever be the 51st state or or any part of
[01:22:22] ever be the 51st state or or any part of the United States of America. The
[01:22:24] the United States of America. The American people are our friends. They've
[01:22:25] American people are our friends. They've been our top trading partner, our
[01:22:27] been our top trading partner, our closest ally. As uh President Kennedy
[01:22:30] closest ally. As uh President Kennedy said, um history has made us friends,
[01:22:33] said, um history has made us friends, economics has made us partners. Uh
[01:22:36] economics has made us partners. Uh geography has made us neighbors and
[01:22:38] geography has made us neighbors and necessity has made us allies. those whom
[01:22:41] necessity has made us allies. those whom nature have thus joined together. Let no
[01:22:43] nature have thus joined together. Let no man put us under. But he understood that
[01:22:46] man put us under. But he understood that that Canada was a separate country that
[01:22:48] that Canada was a separate country that had its own unique interests. And I
[01:22:51] had its own unique interests. And I think the American people understand
[01:22:53] think the American people understand that as well. I I think the American
[01:22:55] that as well. I I think the American people are very fond of Canada as a
[01:22:57] people are very fond of Canada as a neighbor and friend. Um but they
[01:22:59] neighbor and friend. Um but they understand we will always be a sovereign
[01:23:00] understand we will always be a sovereign country.
[01:23:01] country. >> You would have been negotiating with
[01:23:03] >> You would have been negotiating with Trump right now if um the election, the
[01:23:05] Trump right now if um the election, the recent election in Canada had gone your
[01:23:07] recent election in Canada had gone your way. This is a pretty uh pretty stark
[01:23:11] way. This is a pretty uh pretty stark graph that I've just lid you. It shows
[01:23:13] graph that I've just lid you. It shows that you were leading in the polls
[01:23:15] that you were leading in the polls seemingly up until the very very last
[01:23:17] seemingly up until the very very last moment in the elections.
[01:23:19] moment in the elections. >> Is that accurate that poll?
[01:23:20] >> Is that accurate that poll? >> Yeah, I think that's probably a weighted
[01:23:22] >> Yeah, I think that's probably a weighted average, but yeah, I think more or less.
[01:23:24] average, but yeah, I think more or less. >> What happened?
[01:23:25] >> What happened? >> Well, if you look what happened, we our
[01:23:26] >> Well, if you look what happened, we our support didn't drop that much. Uh the
[01:23:28] support didn't drop that much. Uh the other parties collapsed in behind the
[01:23:30] other parties collapsed in behind the Liberal party and uh it was largely due
[01:23:34] Liberal party and uh it was largely due to the uh the Canada US issue that you
[01:23:37] to the uh the Canada US issue that you raised
[01:23:38] raised >> really. So, but at the same time, we got
[01:23:40] >> really. So, but at the same time, we got the biggest vote count we had ever
[01:23:42] the biggest vote count we had ever received and the highest share of vote
[01:23:45] received and the highest share of vote that we've received since 1988. So, we
[01:23:48] that we've received since 1988. So, we did perform very well. Our opponents
[01:23:50] did perform very well. Our opponents performed even better. And now we have
[01:23:53] performed even better. And now we have to build on the solid base that we've
[01:23:55] to build on the solid base that we've accumulated in order to win the next
[01:23:57] accumulated in order to win the next election.
[01:23:58] election. >> Just as the election comes into the home
[01:24:00] >> Just as the election comes into the home stretch, your polling basically stays
[01:24:03] stretch, your polling basically stays the same.
[01:24:03] the same. >> Um, slight little bit of a drop, but
[01:24:06] >> Um, slight little bit of a drop, but roughly stays the same.
[01:24:08] roughly stays the same. >> [snorts]
[01:24:08] >> [snorts] >> What caused the drop in that sort of
[01:24:10] >> What caused the drop in that sort of home stretch there? Do you think
[01:24:12] home stretch there? Do you think >> what one of the challenges I had was I
[01:24:14] >> what one of the challenges I had was I wanted to focus on the things that were
[01:24:15] wanted to focus on the things that were going on in people's lives, the doubling
[01:24:19] going on in people's lives, the doubling of housing costs, the rising crime rate,
[01:24:21] of housing costs, the rising crime rate, the inflation crisis, and my solutions
[01:24:24] the inflation crisis, and my solutions to all of those problems. But a lot of
[01:24:26] to all of those problems. But a lot of that was swept off of the conversation
[01:24:29] that was swept off of the conversation because everyone was focused suddenly on
[01:24:32] because everyone was focused suddenly on the the tariffs and the president the
[01:24:35] the the tariffs and the president the president saying that he was going to
[01:24:36] president saying that he was going to take Canada as a state but also him
[01:24:38] take Canada as a state but also him saying that he was going to apply
[01:24:39] saying that he was going to apply tariffs.
[01:24:40] tariffs. >> That's right. And those tariffs are
[01:24:42] >> That's right. And those tariffs are still in place.
[01:24:44] still in place. >> Why did that impact you and help Mark
[01:24:46] >> Why did that impact you and help Mark Carney?
[01:24:47] Carney? >> That's a good question. I think I think
[01:24:49] >> That's a good question. I think I think it allowed the conversation to move away
[01:24:52] it allowed the conversation to move away from the domestic record of the
[01:24:54] from the domestic record of the government and on to two external
[01:24:57] government and on to two external factors and that always helps the
[01:24:59] factors and that always helps the incumbent and hurts the challenger.
[01:25:02] incumbent and hurts the challenger. >> How was this emotionally?
[01:25:04] >> How was this emotionally? >> Oh, it was a roller coaster and it was
[01:25:06] >> Oh, it was a roller coaster and it was like so things were changing so fast and
[01:25:08] like so things were changing so fast and moving so quickly in the moment. It's
[01:25:11] moving so quickly in the moment. It's like you don't really have time to feel
[01:25:13] like you don't really have time to feel anything. you're just doing so much so
[01:25:15] anything. you're just doing so much so quickly
[01:25:16] quickly >> that um your emotions
[01:25:20] >> that um your emotions they're put on delay until after it's
[01:25:22] they're put on delay until after it's all over.
[01:25:22] all over. >> So after it's all over, I've got this
[01:25:24] >> So after it's all over, I've got this wonderful photo of that.
[01:25:26] wonderful photo of that. >> Yes.
[01:25:26] >> Yes. >> You and your family. You said the
[01:25:28] >> You and your family. You said the emotions came after cuz you were going
[01:25:30] emotions came after cuz you were going going going.
[01:25:31] going going. >> Yes. So my leadership started in 2022 as
[01:25:35] >> Yes. So my leadership started in 2022 as we were coming out of co and there were
[01:25:37] we were coming out of co and there were so many people who placed so much hope
[01:25:40] so many people who placed so much hope in me who had suffered so much. They
[01:25:42] in me who had suffered so much. They would tell me they felt like they lost
[01:25:44] would tell me they felt like they lost control of their lives and that they
[01:25:46] control of their lives and that they vested hope in me. So I'd get young
[01:25:48] vested hope in me. So I'd get young people would say, "You have to win
[01:25:50] people would say, "You have to win because I want to start a family and I
[01:25:53] because I want to start a family and I can't start a family in this economy."
[01:25:56] can't start a family in this economy." Or mothers would say, "We just can't
[01:25:58] Or mothers would say, "We just can't afford food anymore." Or police officers
[01:26:01] afford food anymore." Or police officers say, "I've arrested the same guy four
[01:26:04] say, "I've arrested the same guy four times this week and he keeps getting
[01:26:05] times this week and he keeps getting released." You have to win to fix these
[01:26:08] released." You have to win to fix these problems. It's not about you, Mr. Polyv.
[01:26:10] problems. It's not about you, Mr. Polyv. It's about the stuff that's happening in
[01:26:12] It's about the stuff that's happening in our lives and and you have to fix it.
[01:26:15] our lives and and you have to fix it. You know, uh I had a lady come to one of
[01:26:17] You know, uh I had a lady come to one of my rallies cuz when you vote in a to
[01:26:19] my rallies cuz when you vote in a to choose a leader of a party, you have to
[01:26:22] choose a leader of a party, you have to pay $15 to join the party. And she came
[01:26:25] pay $15 to join the party. And she came up and told me about her life story. And
[01:26:27] up and told me about her life story. And then she went up to the membership desk
[01:26:29] then she went up to the membership desk and said, "Can I borrow $8?" And they
[01:26:33] and said, "Can I borrow $8?" And they said, "What do you need it for?" She
[01:26:34] said, "What do you need it for?" She said, "Well, I only have $7." They said,
[01:26:36] said, "Well, I only have $7." They said, "Oh, well, there's a bank machine
[01:26:38] "Oh, well, there's a bank machine downstairs. you can go get some more
[01:26:39] downstairs. you can go get some more cash. And she says, I don't have a bank
[01:26:41] cash. And she says, I don't have a bank card. And they said, well, is there
[01:26:44] card. And they said, well, is there perhaps could you go to your car and get
[01:26:45] perhaps could you go to your car and get some money? She said, well, uh, I don't
[01:26:47] some money? She said, well, uh, I don't have any money in my car. What about
[01:26:48] have any money in my car. What about your home? Um, because we're not allowed
[01:26:51] your home? Um, because we're not allowed to buy them under the rules for other
[01:26:53] to buy them under the rules for other people. And she said, I don't have a
[01:26:54] people. And she said, I don't have a home. I live in my car, and the $7 is
[01:26:57] home. I live in my car, and the $7 is all the money I own, and I'm spending it
[01:26:59] all the money I own, and I'm spending it on a membership so that I can vote for
[01:27:01] on a membership so that I can vote for Mr. Polyia because he is my only hope.
[01:27:03] Mr. Polyia because he is my only hope. This is the only chance I have. So, I
[01:27:07] This is the only chance I have. So, I wanted to deliver for these people and
[01:27:10] wanted to deliver for these people and when we didn't win, uh, I felt I felt
[01:27:13] when we didn't win, uh, I felt I felt terrible that I hadn't delivered for
[01:27:14] terrible that I hadn't delivered for them.
[01:27:15] them. >> What does that look like? The
[01:27:17] >> What does that look like? The disappointment of not delivering for
[01:27:18] disappointment of not delivering for people the night of election, the day
[01:27:20] people the night of election, the day after, if I'm watching you as a fly on
[01:27:23] after, if I'm watching you as a fly on the wall, what do I see?
[01:27:24] the wall, what do I see? >> You know, I didn't spend a lot of time
[01:27:26] >> You know, I didn't spend a lot of time on that. I just got back at it because
[01:27:28] on that. I just got back at it because at the end of the day, you have to focus
[01:27:30] at the end of the day, you have to focus on what you can control. And my my
[01:27:32] on what you can control. And my my approach in life is to zero in on what
[01:27:35] approach in life is to zero in on what is in your control. That is the greatest
[01:27:38] is in your control. That is the greatest thing you can do for your mental health
[01:27:41] thing you can do for your mental health and for your output as a person. I
[01:27:43] and for your output as a person. I believe in a stoic approach. So I didn't
[01:27:46] believe in a stoic approach. So I didn't spend a lot of time sort of rolling
[01:27:48] spend a lot of time sort of rolling around on the ground um in melancholy.
[01:27:52] around on the ground um in melancholy. >> Do you think that if Trump hadn't have
[01:27:53] >> Do you think that if Trump hadn't have said the thing about taking Canada and
[01:27:55] said the thing about taking Canada and he hadn't have done the tariffs, you
[01:27:57] he hadn't have done the tariffs, you would be leading Canada right now?
[01:27:59] would be leading Canada right now? >> We'll never know. I mean uh these are
[01:28:01] >> We'll never know. I mean uh these are the kinds of uh things you speculate
[01:28:03] the kinds of uh things you speculate about but at the end of the day what
[01:28:04] about but at the end of the day what what good does it does it uh do to
[01:28:06] what good does it does it uh do to speculate and I also don't like to make
[01:28:08] speculate and I also don't like to make excuses. I like to say look I'm uh if if
[01:28:11] excuses. I like to say look I'm uh if if this person hadn't done X then I then I
[01:28:13] this person hadn't done X then I then I would be in charge. I have to own my
[01:28:15] would be in charge. I have to own my result and that's what I do.
[01:28:17] result and that's what I do. >> As someone that doesn't know a ton about
[01:28:18] >> As someone that doesn't know a ton about this stuff I'm asking kind of for me I
[01:28:21] this stuff I'm asking kind of for me I find it interesting to see how
[01:28:22] find it interesting to see how consequential
[01:28:23] consequential >> these what do they call them? not um
[01:28:26] >> these what do they call them? not um butterfly effect or just how the
[01:28:29] butterfly effect or just how the unexpected dominoes can fall and change
[01:28:30] unexpected dominoes can fall and change the course of history.
[01:28:32] the course of history. >> So if Trump hadn't have said those
[01:28:33] >> So if Trump hadn't have said those things, if we were to speculate, do you
[01:28:37] things, if we were to speculate, do you think it would have changed the outcome
[01:28:38] think it would have changed the outcome of the election?
[01:28:39] of the election? >> I don't know because we we don't know
[01:28:40] >> I don't know because we we don't know what would have happened in absent of
[01:28:42] what would have happened in absent of that.
[01:28:42] that. >> If you had to bet your house,
[01:28:44] >> If you had to bet your house, >> I don't have to bet my house. So outcome
[01:28:47] >> I don't have to bet my house. So outcome either way. I I don't I don't want to
[01:28:48] either way. I I don't I don't want to blame someone else for the outcome of
[01:28:50] blame someone else for the outcome of the election because at the end of the
[01:28:51] the election because at the end of the day, the people voted and they made
[01:28:53] day, the people voted and they made their decision. I have to be at peace
[01:28:54] their decision. I have to be at peace with it. So, I can't spend my time
[01:28:57] with it. So, I can't spend my time thinking on whatifs because if that
[01:28:59] thinking on whatifs because if that whatif hadn't happened, then there might
[01:29:01] whatif hadn't happened, then there might have been another whatif. So, I have to
[01:29:03] have been another whatif. So, I have to focus on what I can control.
[01:29:05] focus on what I can control. >> Dealing with those moments. You
[01:29:06] >> Dealing with those moments. You mentioned stoicism. I found this book u
[01:29:09] mentioned stoicism. I found this book u meditations by Marco Surelius, which I
[01:29:11] meditations by Marco Surelius, which I think was quite formative for how you
[01:29:13] think was quite formative for how you see things in some respects and
[01:29:14] see things in some respects and generally stoicism.
[01:29:16] generally stoicism. >> Yes. Um it's it's a great book. The
[01:29:18] >> Yes. Um it's it's a great book. The amazing thing about it is it's so
[01:29:19] amazing thing about it is it's so readable. Like he he talks about um this
[01:29:23] readable. Like he he talks about um this is just a random page but it's a very
[01:29:25] is just a random page but it's a very interesting uh excerpt. When you wake up
[01:29:27] interesting uh excerpt. When you wake up in the morning tell yourself the people
[01:29:28] in the morning tell yourself the people I deal with today will be meddling,
[01:29:30] I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous
[01:29:32] ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous and sirly. They are like this because
[01:29:34] and sirly. They are like this because they can't tell good from ego evil. But
[01:29:37] they can't tell good from ego evil. But if you go in and read it, what it
[01:29:39] if you go in and read it, what it basically says is expect these things
[01:29:41] basically says is expect these things and if you do but don't be controlled by
[01:29:45] and if you do but don't be controlled by them. These are control. These are
[01:29:47] them. These are control. These are factors outside of your control. Put all
[01:29:50] factors outside of your control. Put all of your emphasis on the things that are
[01:29:52] of your emphasis on the things that are within your control and it will bring a
[01:29:54] within your control and it will bring a tremendous amount of peace because when
[01:29:57] tremendous amount of peace because when you're focused on what you can control,
[01:29:58] you're focused on what you can control, you're the boss of your life. And that's
[01:30:01] you're the boss of your life. And that's what that's what stoicism has done for
[01:30:02] what that's what stoicism has done for me.
[01:30:03] me. >> I heard you say you're not the you're
[01:30:05] >> I heard you say you're not the you're not acted upon.
[01:30:06] not acted upon. >> That's right. When you're when you focus
[01:30:09] >> That's right. When you're when you focus on what you can control, you are the
[01:30:11] on what you can control, you are the actor rather than the acted upon. If you
[01:30:13] actor rather than the acted upon. If you say if you spend a lot of your time
[01:30:15] say if you spend a lot of your time thinking about the things you can cannot
[01:30:16] thinking about the things you can cannot control then you become a helpless
[01:30:18] control then you become a helpless victim. Whereas if you if you focus on
[01:30:21] victim. Whereas if you if you focus on what you can then you you become uh like
[01:30:23] what you can then you you become uh like the driver of the car you decide where
[01:30:25] the driver of the car you decide where it goes. And um you know as my favorite
[01:30:28] it goes. And um you know as my favorite poem says uh Invictus that um Nel Nelson
[01:30:32] poem says uh Invictus that um Nel Nelson Mandela used to read himself when he was
[01:30:34] Mandela used to read himself when he was in prison for all those years in South
[01:30:36] in prison for all those years in South Africa. He he would he would recite to
[01:30:38] Africa. He he would he would recite to himself the the poem Invictus to remind
[01:30:41] himself the the poem Invictus to remind him that he he could focus on what he
[01:30:44] him that he he could focus on what he was in control of which was his own
[01:30:46] was in control of which was his own soul. I am the master of my fate. I am
[01:30:50] soul. I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul is how it ends.
[01:30:53] the captain of my soul is how it ends. And that that gives you a lot of peace.
[01:30:56] And that that gives you a lot of peace. One of the things you often find in
[01:30:57] One of the things you often find in stoicism and other sort of uh teachings
[01:30:59] stoicism and other sort of uh teachings of that time is this idea of being
[01:31:01] of that time is this idea of being flexibly minded in terms of being able
[01:31:04] flexibly minded in terms of being able to learn and being growth minded and
[01:31:05] to learn and being growth minded and being able to evolve. Mhm.
[01:31:06] being able to evolve. Mhm. >> I was wondering as you went on that
[01:31:08] >> I was wondering as you went on that campaign trail and generally over the
[01:31:09] campaign trail and generally over the last 10 years of your career, it's it's
[01:31:11] last 10 years of your career, it's it's clear to me that your your core
[01:31:13] clear to me that your your core principles have been quite consistent.
[01:31:15] principles have been quite consistent. >> I I uh have this um
[01:31:18] >> I I uh have this um this document you wrote when you were I
[01:31:20] this document you wrote when you were I think 20 years old, which was part of a
[01:31:22] think 20 years old, which was part of a contest where you won $10,000.
[01:31:26] contest where you won $10,000. >> That's right.
[01:31:26] >> That's right. >> For explaining what you would do if you
[01:31:28] >> For explaining what you would do if you were prime minister, um if you were
[01:31:30] were prime minister, um if you were leading Canada.
[01:31:31] leading Canada. >> You even dug up the check.
[01:31:32] >> You even dug up the check. >> I found the check. It wasn't cashed. No,
[01:31:34] >> I found the check. It wasn't cashed. No, it's a it's a fake check. We'll go have
[01:31:36] it's a it's a fake check. We'll go have lunch.
[01:31:36] lunch. >> So, you won $10,000 for submitting this.
[01:31:40] >> So, you won $10,000 for submitting this. >> Yes.
[01:31:40] >> Yes. >> When you were 20 years old, explaining
[01:31:42] >> When you were 20 years old, explaining what you would do if you ever became the
[01:31:44] what you would do if you ever became the prime minister.
[01:31:45] prime minister. >> Yes.
[01:31:46] >> Yes. >> And I would like you to actually just
[01:31:48] >> And I would like you to actually just read the opening three paragraphs
[01:31:50] read the opening three paragraphs because it it does um it is quite
[01:31:52] because it it does um it is quite interesting to see how you've evolved if
[01:31:53] interesting to see how you've evolved if at all. Could you just read those first
[01:31:55] at all. Could you just read those first three paragraphs and give me any other
[01:31:56] three paragraphs and give me any other of the context which I might have
[01:31:58] of the context which I might have excluded?
[01:31:59] excluded? >> Sure. Although we Canadians seldom
[01:32:01] >> Sure. Although we Canadians seldom recognize it, the most important
[01:32:02] recognize it, the most important gardening guardian of our living
[01:32:05] gardening guardian of our living standards is freedom. Freedom to earn a
[01:32:07] standards is freedom. Freedom to earn a living and share the fruits of our labor
[01:32:09] living and share the fruits of our labor with loved ones. The freedom to build
[01:32:11] with loved ones. The freedom to build personal prosperity through risk-taking
[01:32:13] personal prosperity through risk-taking and strong work ethic. The freedom of
[01:32:15] and strong work ethic. The freedom of thought and speech. The freedom to make
[01:32:17] thought and speech. The freedom to make personal choices and the collective
[01:32:19] personal choices and the collective freedom of citizens to govern their own
[01:32:21] freedom of citizens to govern their own affairs democratically. Government's job
[01:32:24] affairs democratically. Government's job is to constantly find ways to remove
[01:32:26] is to constantly find ways to remove itself from obstructing such freedoms.
[01:32:28] itself from obstructing such freedoms. Human beings are graced with the gifts
[01:32:30] Human beings are graced with the gifts of creativity, wisdom, and ingenuity.
[01:32:33] of creativity, wisdom, and ingenuity. The the best way for a society to go
[01:32:36] The the best way for a society to go about improving its living standards is
[01:32:37] about improving its living standards is to allow citizens to apply these
[01:32:39] to allow citizens to apply these qualities to the challenges of everyday
[01:32:42] qualities to the challenges of everyday life. Asking a prime minister to
[01:32:43] life. Asking a prime minister to single-handedly improve the living
[01:32:45] single-handedly improve the living standards of 30 million of the world's
[01:32:47] standards of 30 million of the world's brightest is as about as realistic as
[01:32:50] brightest is as about as realistic as asking him to take to an Olympic
[01:32:53] asking him to take to an Olympic sprinting track to help a lineup of
[01:32:55] sprinting track to help a lineup of worldclass athletes reach the finish
[01:32:57] worldclass athletes reach the finish line. The more the government becomes
[01:32:59] line. The more the government becomes involved in the race, the greater the
[01:33:01] involved in the race, the greater the number of hurdles competitors will
[01:33:03] number of hurdles competitors will encounter. Therefore, as prime minister,
[01:33:05] encounter. Therefore, as prime minister, what I would do to improve living
[01:33:07] what I would do to improve living standards is not as nearly as important
[01:33:09] standards is not as nearly as important as what I would not do. As prime
[01:33:11] as what I would not do. As prime minister, I would relinquish to citizens
[01:33:13] minister, I would relinquish to citizens as much of my social, political, and
[01:33:15] as much of my social, political, and economic control as possible, leaving
[01:33:16] economic control as possible, leaving people to cultivate their own personal
[01:33:18] people to cultivate their own personal prosperity and to govern their own
[01:33:20] prosperity and to govern their own affairs as directly as possible.
[01:33:23] affairs as directly as possible. >> In the last decade, since you've been
[01:33:25] >> In the last decade, since you've been out on the road, more speaking to
[01:33:27] out on the road, more speaking to people, campaigning,
[01:33:29] people, campaigning, where have your views evolved?
[01:33:34] I would say my temperament has matured.
[01:33:37] I would say my temperament has matured. 10 years ago, I did not have a wife and
[01:33:39] 10 years ago, I did not have a wife and kids. As a father, you end up having to
[01:33:42] kids. As a father, you end up having to grow in a tremendous amount of patience
[01:33:44] grow in a tremendous amount of patience because kids don't do what they're told
[01:33:46] because kids don't do what they're told or they have needs that are that must
[01:33:48] or they have needs that are that must supersede your own. You're constantly
[01:33:50] supersede your own. You're constantly making compromises
[01:33:53] making compromises uh with a spouse in order to juggle all
[01:33:56] uh with a spouse in order to juggle all of the difficulties of family life. And
[01:33:58] of the difficulties of family life. And that necessarily spills over into your
[01:34:01] that necessarily spills over into your political approach. I think
[01:34:03] political approach. I think temperamentally I've changed. I'm much
[01:34:06] temperamentally I've changed. I'm much more careful and thoughtful than I was
[01:34:11] more careful and thoughtful than I was say in my late 20s and and early 30s.
[01:34:15] say in my late 20s and and early 30s. >> The people that have um you know
[01:34:16] >> The people that have um you know opposition parties have often referred
[01:34:18] opposition parties have often referred to you as Trump light.
[01:34:20] to you as Trump light. >> And what do they base that on?
[01:34:22] >> And what do they base that on? >> I guess because you're both
[01:34:23] >> I guess because you're both conservatives, I guess that would be
[01:34:25] conservatives, I guess that would be much of the the argument. And you both
[01:34:27] much of the the argument. And you both you both have spoken out against this
[01:34:29] you both have spoken out against this term wokeism and DEI.
[01:34:32] term wokeism and DEI. >> Yeah. Look, I I on the on DEI and I
[01:34:35] >> Yeah. Look, I I on the on DEI and I don't think that is something particular
[01:34:37] don't think that is something particular to President Trump. I mean, there's a
[01:34:39] to President Trump. I mean, there's a lot of people around the world who for
[01:34:42] lot of people around the world who for their own reasons and based on their own
[01:34:45] their own reasons and based on their own experiences
[01:34:47] experiences have criticized that particular
[01:34:48] have criticized that particular ideology. What I think has changed is
[01:34:51] ideology. What I think has changed is that liberals used to believe in liberty
[01:34:54] that liberals used to believe in liberty and conservatives believed in conserving
[01:34:56] and conservatives believed in conserving it. You know, they used to say liberals
[01:34:58] it. You know, they used to say liberals were the gas pedal, conservatives were
[01:35:00] were the gas pedal, conservatives were the brake, but we were both heading in
[01:35:02] the brake, but we were both heading in generally the same direction. But what I
[01:35:06] generally the same direction. But what I think happened with wokeism is that it
[01:35:09] think happened with wokeism is that it it it is a deeply illiberal ideology.
[01:35:13] it it is a deeply illiberal ideology. It is liberalism, traditional liberalism
[01:35:15] It is liberalism, traditional liberalism was was a color-blind ideology. It was
[01:35:18] was was a color-blind ideology. It was based on total equality
[01:35:21] based on total equality regardless of gender, sexuality, race,
[01:35:24] regardless of gender, sexuality, race, or anything else.
[01:35:26] or anything else. Wokeism is exactly the opposite of that.
[01:35:29] Wokeism is exactly the opposite of that. It's it like accentuates all of those
[01:35:31] It's it like accentuates all of those differences and disagreements. It groups
[01:35:33] differences and disagreements. It groups people based on what should be
[01:35:35] people based on what should be irrelevant characteristics like race and
[01:35:37] irrelevant characteristics like race and gender. And then having divided people
[01:35:40] gender. And then having divided people into groups, it seeks to expand state
[01:35:41] into groups, it seeks to expand state control over their lives. What I believe
[01:35:44] control over their lives. What I believe in is uh is treating people as
[01:35:47] in is uh is treating people as individuals and letting them live their
[01:35:48] individuals and letting them live their own lives, judging them exclusively on
[01:35:51] own lives, judging them exclusively on their own merits. And I think that was
[01:35:54] their own merits. And I think that was the consensus view of both liberals and
[01:35:56] the consensus view of both liberals and conservatives up until this toxic
[01:36:00] conservatives up until this toxic ideology came along and divided people.
[01:36:03] ideology came along and divided people. >> One of the things I you know I'm a black
[01:36:04] >> One of the things I you know I'm a black man.
[01:36:05] man. >> Mhm.
[01:36:06] >> Mhm. >> I was I moved from Botswana when I was a
[01:36:08] >> I was I moved from Botswana when I was a baby and came to the UK and thank God uh
[01:36:11] baby and came to the UK and thank God uh there was sort of social systems in
[01:36:12] there was sort of social systems in place because I don't think that I would
[01:36:14] place because I don't think that I would have had the outcomes I'd had. One of
[01:36:15] have had the outcomes I'd had. One of the things that I did know though when I
[01:36:17] the things that I did know though when I was um 18, dropped out of university and
[01:36:20] was um 18, dropped out of university and started to get into a world of business
[01:36:21] started to get into a world of business is I was aware because when you look at
[01:36:23] is I was aware because when you look at like funding data for entrepreneurs that
[01:36:25] like funding data for entrepreneurs that are black or especially women, it's
[01:36:28] are black or especially women, it's clear that there's like a systemic
[01:36:30] clear that there's like a systemic disadvantage of some sort and I I wonder
[01:36:33] disadvantage of some sort and I I wonder someone like yourself who's against this
[01:36:35] someone like yourself who's against this sort of DEI ideology, how do you contend
[01:36:37] sort of DEI ideology, how do you contend with like systemic institutional
[01:36:40] with like systemic institutional discrimination towards certain groups
[01:36:41] discrimination towards certain groups which does pose objectively real
[01:36:44] which does pose objectively real disadvantage on them being able to climb
[01:36:45] disadvantage on them being able to climb the ladder cuz you said something
[01:36:47] the ladder cuz you said something earlier about your goal being in Canada
[01:36:50] earlier about your goal being in Canada to make sure everybody like has a fair
[01:36:51] to make sure everybody like has a fair shot.
[01:36:52] shot. >> That's right.
[01:36:53] >> That's right. >> How does one counteract the systemic
[01:36:55] >> How does one counteract the systemic issues around race or gender or whatever
[01:36:57] issues around race or gender or whatever it might be that stop that being
[01:36:59] it might be that stop that being possible? Cuz I I find myself in an
[01:37:02] possible? Cuz I I find myself in an interesting position where like on one
[01:37:03] interesting position where like on one end I'm like I want to be treated like
[01:37:05] end I'm like I want to be treated like everybody else,
[01:37:06] everybody else, >> right? And I've always felt that way.
[01:37:07] >> right? And I've always felt that way. And I've always I've always actually to
[01:37:09] And I've always I've always actually to some degree cringed a little bit when I
[01:37:11] some degree cringed a little bit when I felt like someone was giving me special
[01:37:15] felt like someone was giving me special treatment
[01:37:17] treatment because my skin color was different
[01:37:19] because my skin color was different because it in some way made me feel like
[01:37:21] because it in some way made me feel like I was at a disadvantage which I know can
[01:37:23] I was at a disadvantage which I know can become quite self-fulfilling. However,
[01:37:24] become quite self-fulfilling. However, on the other side of the spectrum, I do
[01:37:27] on the other side of the spectrum, I do also believe that there is like systemic
[01:37:30] also believe that there is like systemic discrimination that is going to hold
[01:37:32] discrimination that is going to hold certain groups back if there isn't
[01:37:34] certain groups back if there isn't something done to level that playing
[01:37:37] something done to level that playing field. So, look, I think the answer is
[01:37:40] field. So, look, I think the answer is equality. There has to be strict
[01:37:42] equality. There has to be strict equality and equal treatment regardless
[01:37:45] equality and equal treatment regardless of race, gender, uh, ethnicity,
[01:37:47] of race, gender, uh, ethnicity, religion. And that is the that is the
[01:37:51] religion. And that is the that is the ideal to which we were all striving. And
[01:37:53] ideal to which we were all striving. And I think if we get back to that, then we
[01:37:56] I think if we get back to that, then we can give everybody a chance to achieve
[01:37:58] can give everybody a chance to achieve based on their own merit. Uh what we
[01:38:00] based on their own merit. Uh what we need is a meritocracy that is colorblind
[01:38:04] need is a meritocracy that is colorblind and and judges people based on what they
[01:38:07] and and judges people based on what they can do.
[01:38:07] can do. >> People aren't color blind, though, are
[01:38:09] >> People aren't color blind, though, are they?
[01:38:09] they? >> No.
[01:38:10] >> No. >> I think I my dad said to me when I was
[01:38:11] >> I think I my dad said to me when I was younger, he said, "Everybody's
[01:38:13] younger, he said, "Everybody's prejudice." I remember sitting in the
[01:38:14] prejudice." I remember sitting in the back of the car, "My dad's white."
[01:38:15] back of the car, "My dad's white." [laughter] And I was and I'm thinking,
[01:38:17] [laughter] And I was and I'm thinking, "My dad just said that he thinks
[01:38:18] "My dad just said that he thinks everyone might be like might be racist
[01:38:20] everyone might be like might be racist and everyone's prejudice." I'm like, "Is
[01:38:21] and everyone's prejudice." I'm like, "Is my dad racist?" But um as I've got
[01:38:24] my dad racist?" But um as I've got gotten older, I realized that he to some
[01:38:26] gotten older, I realized that he to some degree is telling the truth. That
[01:38:27] degree is telling the truth. That prejudice is part of how we survived as
[01:38:29] prejudice is part of how we survived as humans and we're able to understand
[01:38:30] humans and we're able to understand danger from not. So prejudice is
[01:38:33] danger from not. So prejudice is something that I think is very prevalent
[01:38:34] something that I think is very prevalent in society whether we believe we're not
[01:38:36] in society whether we believe we're not and everyone else is. So if prejudice is
[01:38:39] and everyone else is. So if prejudice is very prevalent in society, does there
[01:38:40] very prevalent in society, does there need to be measures that counteract that
[01:38:43] need to be measures that counteract that to give everybody a fair chance? Our
[01:38:46] to give everybody a fair chance? Our institutions have to be conscious about
[01:38:47] institutions have to be conscious about making sure that we are judging people
[01:38:49] making sure that we are judging people based on their merit and they should you
[01:38:52] based on their merit and they should you know work aggressively to make sure that
[01:38:55] know work aggressively to make sure that there is that everyone regardless of
[01:38:57] there is that everyone regardless of where they come from their background
[01:38:59] where they come from their background has a chance to succeed get the job get
[01:39:02] has a chance to succeed get the job get the promotion move up the ladder I don't
[01:39:05] the promotion move up the ladder I don't think that is achieved by breaking
[01:39:08] think that is achieved by breaking people down into more and more different
[01:39:10] people down into more and more different groups and divisions by trying to build
[01:39:13] groups and divisions by trying to build the barriers between pe people based on
[01:39:17] the barriers between pe people based on race and gender. I think it's by
[01:39:19] race and gender. I think it's by actually removing them. So the the
[01:39:21] actually removing them. So the the problem I have with with wokeism is it
[01:39:23] problem I have with with wokeism is it it seems almost designed to divide
[01:39:26] it seems almost designed to divide people. And that is exactly the opposite
[01:39:29] people. And that is exactly the opposite of the objective that we all sought when
[01:39:32] of the objective that we all sought when we uh when we pushed for racial equality
[01:39:35] we uh when we pushed for racial equality and personal and personal freedom and
[01:39:37] and personal and personal freedom and responsibility.
[01:39:38] responsibility. >> How does one contend with the systemic
[01:39:40] >> How does one contend with the systemic issues though the like the prejudices? I
[01:39:42] issues though the like the prejudices? I I I remember reading about studies where
[01:39:44] I I remember reading about studies where like if you they got a bunch of people
[01:39:45] like if you they got a bunch of people and got them to apply for jobs and just
[01:39:47] and got them to apply for jobs and just based on the names whether they were
[01:39:49] based on the names whether they were like a a typically white name versus say
[01:39:52] like a a typically white name versus say a typically black name the response rate
[01:39:54] a typically black name the response rate is marketkedly different.
[01:39:56] is marketkedly different. >> Well, I go back to my first principles.
[01:39:58] >> Well, I go back to my first principles. I think that government is responsible
[01:40:00] I think that government is responsible for a lot of the the barriers that are
[01:40:02] for a lot of the the barriers that are put in place. So, [clears throat] let me
[01:40:04] put in place. So, [clears throat] let me give you some examples. When government
[01:40:06] give you some examples. When government brings into place these anti- housing
[01:40:08] brings into place these anti- housing policies that I described, they v they
[01:40:11] policies that I described, they v they they impact far more on minorities and
[01:40:14] they impact far more on minorities and disadvantaged people than they do on
[01:40:16] disadvantaged people than they do on established uh people obviously because
[01:40:19] established uh people obviously because if if you're new to a country or you
[01:40:20] if if you're new to a country or you come from a a poorer background, you
[01:40:23] come from a a poorer background, you won't have a house and then you're the
[01:40:25] won't have a house and then you're the one who's going to pay the biggest price
[01:40:26] one who's going to pay the biggest price for the fact that government is making
[01:40:27] for the fact that government is making housing unaffordable. If you think at
[01:40:30] housing unaffordable. If you think at the occupational licensing rules that I
[01:40:31] the occupational licensing rules that I just described that block immigrants
[01:40:33] just described that block immigrants from having working in their professions
[01:40:35] from having working in their professions even when they're thoroughly qualified,
[01:40:37] even when they're thoroughly qualified, those are government-imposed obstacles
[01:40:39] those are government-imposed obstacles that prevent people from getting ahead.
[01:40:42] that prevent people from getting ahead. Also, a lot of these soft on crime
[01:40:44] Also, a lot of these soft on crime policies have been sold to us on the
[01:40:47] policies have been sold to us on the grounds that they're going to help
[01:40:48] grounds that they're going to help minorities by ensuring that they we we
[01:40:50] minorities by ensuring that they we we don't have as high a conviction rate.
[01:40:52] don't have as high a conviction rate. Well, what they've actually done is that
[01:40:53] Well, what they've actually done is that in many minority communities where the
[01:40:56] in many minority communities where the law-abiding people are now suffering as
[01:40:59] law-abiding people are now suffering as a result of
[01:41:01] a result of criminals of all backgrounds. And so,
[01:41:04] criminals of all backgrounds. And so, ironically, it's actually government
[01:41:06] ironically, it's actually government policies that are causing people of
[01:41:08] policies that are causing people of disadvantaged backgrounds to suffer even
[01:41:10] disadvantaged backgrounds to suffer even more. So, wokeism accentuates all of
[01:41:14] more. So, wokeism accentuates all of those problems rather than solving them.
[01:41:16] those problems rather than solving them. So I'm interested in solving problems to
[01:41:18] So I'm interested in solving problems to give everybody the opportunity to live a
[01:41:20] give everybody the opportunity to live a safe, affordable, opportunityfilled
[01:41:22] safe, affordable, opportunityfilled life. And wokeism is not doing that. The
[01:41:25] life. And wokeism is not doing that. The actually get creating a free market,
[01:41:28] actually get creating a free market, free enterprise economy with free people
[01:41:30] free enterprise economy with free people who have free speech. That that's the
[01:41:32] who have free speech. That that's the the single best way to give people of
[01:41:34] the single best way to give people of all racial backgrounds a better chance
[01:41:36] all racial backgrounds a better chance in life.
[01:41:37] in life. >> Again, I'm holding the position of uh
[01:41:39] >> Again, I'm holding the position of uh the DEI to try and I like the clash of
[01:41:41] the DEI to try and I like the clash of ideas because it helps me to think
[01:41:43] ideas because it helps me to think through these things. I've never had the
[01:41:44] through these things. I've never had the chance to ask somebody these kind of
[01:41:46] chance to ask somebody these kind of questions before. And on that point of
[01:41:47] questions before. And on that point of housing, one of the things that I I
[01:41:48] housing, one of the things that I I found to be quite surprising was that
[01:41:51] found to be quite surprising was that black mortgage applicants are up to 200%
[01:41:54] black mortgage applicants are up to 200% more likely to be denied a home loan
[01:41:56] more likely to be denied a home loan than white applicants with the similar
[01:41:58] than white applicants with the similar financial profile.
[01:42:00] financial profile. >> This is in Canada.
[01:42:01] >> This is in Canada. >> These stats are for the West. So,
[01:42:02] >> These stats are for the West. So, >> okay,
[01:42:03] >> okay, >> but but what is going on there? because
[01:42:06] >> but but what is going on there? because it says that they have similar financial
[01:42:08] it says that they have similar financial profiles, yet their their applications
[01:42:11] profiles, yet their their applications are being denied up to 200% more than
[01:42:16] are being denied up to 200% more than white home buyers.
[01:42:18] white home buyers. >> So, I had not seen those data that data
[01:42:19] >> So, I had not seen those data that data point before, but I would say that this
[01:42:21] point before, but I would say that this is these sound like really stupid
[01:42:23] is these sound like really stupid bankers um because they're making a bad
[01:42:25] bankers um because they're making a bad decision to deny people a mortgage and
[01:42:29] decision to deny people a mortgage and ultimately deny themselves the business
[01:42:31] ultimately deny themselves the business um if they're if if that's how they're
[01:42:33] um if they're if if that's how they're making their judgments. And then DI
[01:42:35] making their judgments. And then DI comes in to make sure that their
[01:42:36] comes in to make sure that their judgments aren't stupid. [laughter]
[01:42:37] judgments aren't stupid. [laughter] >> Well, I'm not sure that DEI cures
[01:42:40] >> Well, I'm not sure that DEI cures stupidity though. In some cases, we've
[01:42:43] stupidity though. In some cases, we've seen it cause more.
[01:42:44] seen it cause more. >> That's how it shows up, right? It's like
[01:42:45] >> That's how it shows up, right? It's like a logical next step, which is there's
[01:42:47] a logical next step, which is there's prejudice going on in the system, which
[01:42:49] prejudice going on in the system, which is making it in inequal.
[01:42:53] is making it in inequal. And it's a DEI becomes this corrective
[01:42:55] And it's a DEI becomes this corrective measure so those stupid bankers don't
[01:42:56] measure so those stupid bankers don't make stupid decisions.
[01:42:58] make stupid decisions. >> But but DEI has been in place now for
[01:43:01] >> But but DEI has been in place now for several decades. and how is it working?
[01:43:04] several decades. and how is it working? You're reading the statistics to show
[01:43:05] You're reading the statistics to show that it's not. So maybe it's not
[01:43:07] that it's not. So maybe it's not actually doing what it's designed to do.
[01:43:09] actually doing what it's designed to do. Maybe it's doing other things.
[01:43:10] Maybe it's doing other things. >> The other thing that I actually was
[01:43:11] >> The other thing that I actually was really keen to talk about, I just
[01:43:12] really keen to talk about, I just realized, is um
[01:43:13] realized, is um >> Sure.
[01:43:14] >> Sure. >> is this
[01:43:16] >> is this >> Oh, that's little Valentina there. She
[01:43:18] >> Oh, that's little Valentina there. She loves to be on daddy's shoulders.
[01:43:20] loves to be on daddy's shoulders. >> How old is Valentina?
[01:43:21] >> How old is Valentina? >> Valentina is seven years old.
[01:43:23] >> Valentina is seven years old. >> Seven years old. And she's she's
[01:43:24] >> Seven years old. And she's she's non-verbal.
[01:43:25] non-verbal. >> She's non-verbal. Yes.
[01:43:26] >> She's non-verbal. Yes. >> What does what does non-verbal mean?
[01:43:29] >> What does what does non-verbal mean? >> She is autistic. She's on the spectrum.
[01:43:32] >> She is autistic. She's on the spectrum. So, um, she her biggest the biggest
[01:43:35] So, um, she her biggest the biggest difference between Valentina and other
[01:43:38] difference between Valentina and other children is the ability to communicate
[01:43:41] children is the ability to communicate verbally. Um, so we're working very hard
[01:43:44] verbally. Um, so we're working very hard on that. She's making some encouraging
[01:43:46] on that. She's making some encouraging progress, but she does uh have some
[01:43:49] progress, but she does uh have some challenges in that area. She's um very
[01:43:52] challenges in that area. She's um very acrobatic and rambunctious. She loves to
[01:43:55] acrobatic and rambunctious. She loves to climb, swing, bounce, jump, and she is
[01:43:59] climb, swing, bounce, jump, and she is extremely affectionate. And one of the
[01:44:02] extremely affectionate. And one of the superpowers she has is that whatever she
[01:44:04] superpowers she has is that whatever she does, she does 100%. She's also 100%
[01:44:07] does, she does 100%. She's also 100% authentic.
[01:44:09] authentic. >> So, and that's not the case once kids
[01:44:11] >> So, and that's not the case once kids get old enough to manipulate to get what
[01:44:13] get old enough to manipulate to get what they want. They can put on acts and
[01:44:15] they want. They can put on acts and artififices. She doesn't do that. She's
[01:44:16] artififices. She doesn't do that. She's a the real deal all the time. Uh you
[01:44:20] a the real deal all the time. Uh you know exactly how she feels because she
[01:44:21] know exactly how she feels because she indicates it. and she's very blessed to
[01:44:24] indicates it. and she's very blessed to have a a little brother, Cruz, who
[01:44:27] have a a little brother, Cruz, who adores her and treats her better than
[01:44:29] adores her and treats her better than anyone else in the world.
[01:44:32] anyone else in the world. >> I often hear parents talk about their
[01:44:35] >> I often hear parents talk about their concerns with, you know, someone like
[01:44:37] concerns with, you know, someone like Valentina growing up in the world as
[01:44:39] Valentina growing up in the world as non-verbal. You're not going to be here
[01:44:40] non-verbal. You're not going to be here forever
[01:44:41] forever >> to protect her. And you know, I was
[01:44:42] >> to protect her. And you know, I was saying to you before, my brother has
[01:44:44] saying to you before, my brother has three kids under the age of what, seven
[01:44:45] three kids under the age of what, seven years old now. and I've noticed uh just
[01:44:48] years old now. and I've noticed uh just how much he thinks about how they're
[01:44:51] how much he thinks about how they're going to be when he's not here. How does
[01:44:53] going to be when he's not here. How does that relate to Valentina being
[01:44:55] that relate to Valentina being non-verbal and and how you think about
[01:44:56] non-verbal and and how you think about the future?
[01:44:57] the future? >> Well, a lot of things. Like one, we
[01:45:00] >> Well, a lot of things. Like one, we obviously have to build up a nest egg
[01:45:02] obviously have to build up a nest egg for her so that if she can't earn
[01:45:04] for her so that if she can't earn income, she will have uh uh the
[01:45:06] income, she will have uh uh the resources for a great life after we're
[01:45:09] resources for a great life after we're gone. And second, we're really hoping
[01:45:11] gone. And second, we're really hoping that there we forge a very permanent and
[01:45:15] that there we forge a very permanent and um
[01:45:16] um deep bond between her and her brother
[01:45:19] deep bond between her and her brother Cruz because he will be there. And he
[01:45:22] Cruz because he will be there. And he one of the things he says again and
[01:45:23] one of the things he says again and again is my job is to protect Valentina
[01:45:26] again is my job is to protect Valentina from bad guys. So um this is a good
[01:45:29] from bad guys. So um this is a good attitude especially that they are
[01:45:31] attitude especially that they are actually in the same class even though
[01:45:33] actually in the same class even though she's older. She is in his class at
[01:45:35] she's older. She is in his class at school and so she's daddy he's daddy's
[01:45:38] school and so she's daddy he's daddy's eyes uh to protect our little princess.
[01:45:42] eyes uh to protect our little princess. But I think when he's older I I believe
[01:45:45] But I think when he's older I I believe based on his nature that he's going to
[01:45:46] based on his nature that he's going to be there for her and um we we are
[01:45:49] be there for her and um we we are building a plan towards that.
[01:45:51] building a plan towards that. >> My job is to protect Valentina from bad
[01:45:53] >> My job is to protect Valentina from bad guys.
[01:45:54] guys. >> That's right. [laughter]
[01:45:56] >> That's right. [laughter] [sighs]
[01:45:57] [sighs] It's it's a it's a great instinct.
[01:46:00] It's it's a it's a great instinct. >> How has it changed your politics?
[01:46:06] It's reinforced my sense of um
[01:46:12] It's reinforced my sense of um compassion for people who can't provide
[01:46:14] compassion for people who can't provide for themselves. And you know, I've
[01:46:16] for themselves. And you know, I've talked a lot about how government should
[01:46:17] talked a lot about how government should be limited. I do think there's a very
[01:46:20] be limited. I do think there's a very real role for government to help people
[01:46:22] real role for government to help people who genuinely cannot provide for
[01:46:24] who genuinely cannot provide for themselves. People who suffer from with
[01:46:26] themselves. People who suffer from with disabilities being probably the best
[01:46:28] disabilities being probably the best example.
[01:46:29] example. And um it has reinforced to me that we
[01:46:33] And um it has reinforced to me that we have to also have policies that
[01:46:35] have to also have policies that recognize the inherent worth of every
[01:46:37] recognize the inherent worth of every individual.
[01:46:39] individual. Too often governments have seen people
[01:46:43] Too often governments have seen people with disabilities as just someone they
[01:46:46] with disabilities as just someone they have to care for but not someone who can
[01:46:48] have to care for but not someone who can contribute. And I believe that everybody
[01:46:50] contribute. And I believe that everybody has something to contribute and that we
[01:46:53] has something to contribute and that we should try to unlock that in every human
[01:46:55] should try to unlock that in every human being. Um, we don't know exactly what
[01:46:58] being. Um, we don't know exactly what Valentina will do, but I believe she
[01:47:00] Valentina will do, but I believe she will do some kind of a job at some point
[01:47:02] will do some kind of a job at some point in the future and um, I'm very
[01:47:05] in the future and um, I'm very passionate about policies that enable
[01:47:08] passionate about policies that enable people with disabilities to have work
[01:47:10] people with disabilities to have work opportunities, even if it's just very
[01:47:12] opportunities, even if it's just very limited, to design programs so that when
[01:47:15] limited, to design programs so that when they have a, for example, cash or
[01:47:17] they have a, for example, cash or medication support, it doesn't get
[01:47:18] medication support, it doesn't get robbed from them just because they get a
[01:47:20] robbed from them just because they get a job. So, it has focused my mind a lot on
[01:47:24] job. So, it has focused my mind a lot on people. It gives you a sense of
[01:47:25] people. It gives you a sense of compassionate because when you see
[01:47:27] compassionate because when you see somebody who might be different like I
[01:47:29] somebody who might be different like I see my daughter in that person. I see my
[01:47:32] see my daughter in that person. I see my daughter my often my wife is very good
[01:47:34] daughter my often my wife is very good at this. She'll see someone who might be
[01:47:36] at this. She'll see someone who might be acting differently in a crowd and other
[01:47:38] acting differently in a crowd and other people are looking at that person and
[01:47:40] people are looking at that person and she'll grab my hand. She'll say I think
[01:47:42] she'll grab my hand. She'll say I think he's autistic and then she will often go
[01:47:44] he's autistic and then she will often go and talk to that that boy and make him
[01:47:46] and talk to that that boy and make him feel loved. Um so compassion is about
[01:47:50] feel loved. Um so compassion is about feeling what the other person feels. And
[01:47:52] feeling what the other person feels. And you have but a greater ability to do
[01:47:54] you have but a greater ability to do that when there's a loved one close to
[01:47:55] that when there's a loved one close to you who has the experience.
[01:47:58] you who has the experience. >> An interesting range of emotions to be
[01:48:01] >> An interesting range of emotions to be the father, the parent of a autistic
[01:48:04] the father, the parent of a autistic child.
[01:48:05] child. >> I know this because I get messages on
[01:48:08] >> I know this because I get messages on mass from our audience members who have
[01:48:10] mass from our audience members who have an autistic child.
[01:48:12] an autistic child. >> Yes.
[01:48:13] >> Yes. >> What what can you say to to the range of
[01:48:14] >> What what can you say to to the range of emotions you feel?
[01:48:16] emotions you feel? My wife was able to discern that there
[01:48:20] My wife was able to discern that there was something different about Valentina
[01:48:22] was something different about Valentina very early on when she was still a baby
[01:48:24] very early on when she was still a baby because she didn't make a lot of eye
[01:48:25] because she didn't make a lot of eye contact and there was a period during
[01:48:27] contact and there was a period during which she was not very communicative at
[01:48:30] which she was not very communicative at all. Um even in ways that babies
[01:48:32] all. Um even in ways that babies normally are. Uh there wasn't a lot of
[01:48:34] normally are. Uh there wasn't a lot of reciprocal communication to start with.
[01:48:38] reciprocal communication to start with. So when we went for the diagnosis
[01:48:41] So when we went for the diagnosis we were not that shocked. So, you know,
[01:48:44] we were not that shocked. So, you know, when the when the I think she was a
[01:48:46] when the when the I think she was a nurse or she was a specialist gave us
[01:48:48] nurse or she was a specialist gave us the diagnosis and she was like paused
[01:48:50] the diagnosis and she was like paused like waiting for us to burst into tears.
[01:48:51] like waiting for us to burst into tears. I mean, we were just kind of like,
[01:48:53] I mean, we were just kind of like, "Yeah, we we expected that and let's get
[01:48:56] "Yeah, we we expected that and let's get on with it." And then we just started
[01:48:57] on with it." And then we just started doing the things that we had to do. And
[01:48:59] doing the things that we had to do. And my message to parents of autistic
[01:49:01] my message to parents of autistic children is just focus on what you can
[01:49:02] children is just focus on what you can control. Get on to the things that you
[01:49:04] control. Get on to the things that you have to do. Get a speech therapist. Get
[01:49:06] have to do. Get a speech therapist. Get the play structures in the house that
[01:49:08] the play structures in the house that they love. with Valentina. It's it's a
[01:49:10] they love. with Valentina. It's it's a it's a b bouncy castle and a little
[01:49:12] it's a b bouncy castle and a little trampoline and a lot of building blocks
[01:49:15] trampoline and a lot of building blocks and enjoy them. Like they they're she
[01:49:17] and enjoy them. Like they they're she she's so much fun. Like she's a fun
[01:49:19] she's so much fun. Like she's a fun little girl. She loves to jump. She's
[01:49:21] little girl. She loves to jump. She's scared of nothing. If anything, the
[01:49:23] scared of nothing. If anything, the problem is she's a bit too much of a
[01:49:25] problem is she's a bit too much of a daredevil, but she's she's a thrilling
[01:49:28] daredevil, but she's she's a thrilling little girl to be around. She loves to
[01:49:29] little girl to be around. She loves to like you see all the pictures with her
[01:49:31] like you see all the pictures with her on my shoulder. She always loves to
[01:49:32] on my shoulder. She always loves to climb on my on my back and she loves to
[01:49:35] climb on my on my back and she loves to run. She loves me to run with her on her
[01:49:37] run. She loves me to run with her on her shoulders. So like en enjoy the special
[01:49:40] shoulders. So like en enjoy the special things that they bring because they they
[01:49:42] things that they bring because they they they are magical. They're they're
[01:49:44] they are magical. They're they're they're wonderful. They're just they
[01:49:47] they're wonderful. They're just they they call it autism because they're
[01:49:48] they call it autism because they're autotapping
[01:50:01] on something might might give her a
[01:50:02] on something might might give her a tremendous sensation that we can't
[01:50:04] tremendous sensation that we can't appreciate.
[01:50:06] appreciate. On the other side, minor irritants that
[01:50:08] On the other side, minor irritants that you and I would brush off might drive
[01:50:11] you and I would brush off might drive her completely crazy.
[01:50:12] her completely crazy. >> And so, if she's having a meltdown, it's
[01:50:14] >> And so, if she's having a meltdown, it's not because she's a bad kid. It's
[01:50:16] not because she's a bad kid. It's because she's going through a horrific
[01:50:18] because she's going through a horrific sensation that we can't quite
[01:50:19] sensation that we can't quite understand. So, but you just have to
[01:50:22] understand. So, but you just have to embrace it all. And um it's a lot of
[01:50:24] embrace it all. And um it's a lot of extra leg work that goes into a child
[01:50:28] extra leg work that goes into a child that has these um conditions, but it's
[01:50:30] that has these um conditions, but it's worth it and it's rewarding in the end.
[01:50:33] worth it and it's rewarding in the end. She uh you know obviously not met her,
[01:50:35] She uh you know obviously not met her, but from all the photos she she makes
[01:50:37] but from all the photos she she makes you smile just looking at the photos.
[01:50:38] you smile just looking at the photos. >> She makes everyone smile and she's got
[01:50:40] >> She makes everyone smile and she's got uh she's very popular at school. The
[01:50:42] uh she's very popular at school. The kids are very nice to her, by the way.
[01:50:44] kids are very nice to her, by the way. Like we we we get secondhand reports and
[01:50:46] Like we we we get secondhand reports and it's like they love her. They're sweet
[01:50:49] it's like they love her. They're sweet to her. Um she has a little boy that has
[01:50:52] to her. Um she has a little boy that has a crush on her, so I'm keeping an eye on
[01:50:54] a crush on her, so I'm keeping an eye on that. Um but she's so affectionate. Like
[01:50:57] that. Um but she's so affectionate. Like we went to a fall fair one time and
[01:50:59] we went to a fall fair one time and there were these little old ladies
[01:51:01] there were these little old ladies sitting there and Valentina just decided
[01:51:02] sitting there and Valentina just decided she liked this little old lady and went
[01:51:04] she liked this little old lady and went and sat on her lap like complete
[01:51:05] and sat on her lap like complete stranger. But that's how she is. She
[01:51:08] stranger. But that's how she is. She decides she likes you and you're in.
[01:51:11] decides she likes you and you're in. >> What are your um what are your closing
[01:51:12] >> What are your um what are your closing statements? We've got listeners that
[01:51:13] statements? We've got listeners that are, you know, all over the world, the
[01:51:14] are, you know, all over the world, the United States, Canada, Australia, the
[01:51:16] United States, Canada, Australia, the UK. If you um if you had to send one
[01:51:19] UK. If you um if you had to send one final message to them, what would that
[01:51:22] final message to them, what would that message be in this moment in time that
[01:51:24] message be in this moment in time that we find ourselves in?
[01:51:26] we find ourselves in? Well, I'm actually optimistic about the
[01:51:27] Well, I'm actually optimistic about the future and I think Canada's got a very
[01:51:29] future and I think Canada's got a very bright future. Um, I think the world
[01:51:31] bright future. Um, I think the world should look to Canada. We have the most
[01:51:32] should look to Canada. We have the most resources of anyone in the world. We
[01:51:34] resources of anyone in the world. We have probably the most uh diverse and
[01:51:36] have probably the most uh diverse and educated population. Uh, we have uh the
[01:51:40] educated population. Uh, we have uh the the most fresh water, the um uh the
[01:51:43] the most fresh water, the um uh the second biggest land mass. Uh, and I
[01:51:46] second biggest land mass. Uh, and I think it's going the future belongs to
[01:51:48] think it's going the future belongs to Canada. We're going to be an incredible
[01:51:50] Canada. We're going to be an incredible place. Uh, the MB of the world
[01:51:52] place. Uh, the MB of the world >> if and so if we if we do the right
[01:51:54] >> if and so if we if we do the right things. I don't want to be egotistical
[01:51:55] things. I don't want to be egotistical about it, but I think it would help if I
[01:51:56] about it, but I think it would help if I were prime minister as well.
[01:51:59] were prime minister as well. >> I love Canada. It's one of my my
[01:52:00] >> I love Canada. It's one of my my favorite places in the world for so many
[01:52:02] favorite places in the world for so many reasons. Um when I told you when I went
[01:52:03] reasons. Um when I told you when I went to Toronto for the first time, I felt
[01:52:04] to Toronto for the first time, I felt like I was at home.
[01:52:05] like I was at home. >> Yeah.
[01:52:06] >> Yeah. >> Um because I think you know Brits and
[01:52:07] >> Um because I think you know Brits and Canadians have a lot in common.
[01:52:08] Canadians have a lot in common. >> Absolutely.
[01:52:09] >> Absolutely. >> Including a king.
[01:52:10] >> Including a king. >> Um
[01:52:10] >> Um >> yeah, you would be very uh wellreceived
[01:52:12] >> yeah, you would be very uh wellreceived in Canada. So consider um coming.
[01:52:16] in Canada. So consider um coming. >> I I go all the time when whenever I'm uh
[01:52:18] >> I I go all the time when whenever I'm uh whenever I'm invited to go and I've been
[01:52:20] whenever I'm invited to go and I've been once or twice on vacation as well. So I
[01:52:22] once or twice on vacation as well. So I hope to be back there soon. And uh
[01:52:23] hope to be back there soon. And uh actually going to do a tour there at
[01:52:24] actually going to do a tour there at some point with with the Dio to meet all
[01:52:26] some point with with the Dio to meet all the people that listen. So very excited
[01:52:28] the people that listen. So very excited about that as well.
[01:52:28] about that as well. >> Oh, you'll bring you'll bring up big
[01:52:30] >> Oh, you'll bring you'll bring up big crowds.
[01:52:30] crowds. >> Oh,
[01:52:30] >> Oh, >> it'll be fun.
[01:52:31] >> it'll be fun. >> We have a closing tradition on this
[01:52:33] >> We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a
[01:52:34] podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing
[01:52:35] question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the
[01:52:37] who they're leaving it for. And the question left for you is h
[01:52:40] question left for you is h [clears throat]
[01:52:42] [clears throat] what are you most afraid of and how do
[01:52:45] what are you most afraid of and how do you deal with that fear?
[01:52:50] Hm. [clears throat]
[01:52:52] Hm. [clears throat] I don't have a lot of fears. I mean, for
[01:52:56] I don't have a lot of fears. I mean, for myself, um I would say going back to
[01:52:59] myself, um I would say going back to family, it would be that something would
[01:53:00] family, it would be that something would happen to my kids. Uh you know, just
[01:53:04] happen to my kids. Uh you know, just you hear uh terrible terrible things in
[01:53:07] you hear uh terrible terrible things in the news. I was just uh unfort you know,
[01:53:09] the news. I was just uh unfort you know, unfortunately I I had to go to a funeral
[01:53:11] unfortunately I I had to go to a funeral for uh mass shooting victims in Tumblr
[01:53:15] for uh mass shooting victims in Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia. And I just, you
[01:53:18] Ridge, British Columbia. And I just, you know, every parent worries about
[01:53:20] know, every parent worries about something happening to their kids. I
[01:53:22] something happening to their kids. I think that would be my biggest fear.
[01:53:24] think that would be my biggest fear. >> What about for Canada at large?
[01:53:26] >> What about for Canada at large? >> The biggest fear I have for Canada is
[01:53:27] >> The biggest fear I have for Canada is that
[01:53:30] that we just keep
[01:53:32] we just keep blocking our own potential and declining
[01:53:35] blocking our own potential and declining and opportunity vanishes and slowly our
[01:53:38] and opportunity vanishes and slowly our people lose the promise that the country
[01:53:41] people lose the promise that the country gave me and so many generations. And so
[01:53:46] gave me and so many generations. And so my fear is that we become the the frog
[01:53:48] my fear is that we become the the frog in boiling water and it just gets slowly
[01:53:52] in boiling water and it just gets slowly warmer and warmer and warmer and the
[01:53:54] warmer and warmer and warmer and the frog really never notices.
[01:53:56] frog really never notices. >> Is that the trajectory of travel?
[01:53:58] >> Is that the trajectory of travel? >> I think it is unfortunately but I think
[01:54:00] >> I think it is unfortunately but I think we can change that trajectory if we make
[01:54:03] we can change that trajectory if we make uh some big reversals uh in direction.
[01:54:05] uh some big reversals uh in direction. >> And lastly, what about for the world
[01:54:07] >> And lastly, what about for the world generally the western world?
[01:54:11] generally the western world? I would say my biggest fear is that uh
[01:54:13] I would say my biggest fear is that uh the western world does not stay true to
[01:54:15] the western world does not stay true to its foundational principles. I want the
[01:54:19] its foundational principles. I want the western world to stay true to the to the
[01:54:21] western world to stay true to the to the basic principles of that that grew out
[01:54:23] basic principles of that that grew out of the Magna Carta, a freedom of um
[01:54:26] of the Magna Carta, a freedom of um government that is servant uh people
[01:54:29] government that is servant uh people that are masters and that the free
[01:54:33] that are masters and that the free democracies not only succeed at home but
[01:54:36] democracies not only succeed at home but work together abroad to preserve the
[01:54:38] work together abroad to preserve the that that uh civilization.
[01:54:41] that that uh civilization. >> Thank you so much. Thank you for taking
[01:54:42] >> Thank you so much. Thank you for taking the time to to come have this
[01:54:43] the time to to come have this conversation with me and answering all
[01:54:44] conversation with me and answering all of my questions. Um, it's, you know, I
[01:54:46] of my questions. Um, it's, you know, I don't like interviewing politicians
[01:54:48] don't like interviewing politicians because they are very slippery,
[01:54:50] because they are very slippery, >> right?
[01:54:50] >> right? >> And they slip and slide away from
[01:54:52] >> And they slip and slide away from answering things in a way that makes the
[01:54:54] answering things in a way that makes the the very essence of why we started this
[01:54:55] the very essence of why we started this show feel like we're um like we're not
[01:54:59] show feel like we're um like we're not delivering for the audience who want to
[01:55:01] delivering for the audience who want to know the truth, whether it's ugly or
[01:55:03] know the truth, whether it's ugly or indifferent or whatever it might be. And
[01:55:05] indifferent or whatever it might be. And um, I've really enjoyed the conversation
[01:55:06] um, I've really enjoyed the conversation because I feel like you answered my
[01:55:07] because I feel like you answered my questions to the best of your ability.
[01:55:08] questions to the best of your ability. >> Thank you.
[01:55:09] >> Thank you. >> And that's often that's not usually the
[01:55:10] >> And that's often that's not usually the case with politicians. And
[01:55:12] case with politicians. And >> thank you. I think they think that's the
[01:55:14] >> thank you. I think they think that's the right approach, but actually I think in
[01:55:17] right approach, but actually I think in a world that's now more of a glass box
[01:55:18] a world that's now more of a glass box than ever before and not a black box
[01:55:20] than ever before and not a black box where you can paint the image of
[01:55:21] where you can paint the image of something on the outside, being
[01:55:22] something on the outside, being transparent and being willing to come
[01:55:24] transparent and being willing to come into these environments and your team
[01:55:25] into these environments and your team didn't tell me anything was off limits.
[01:55:27] didn't tell me anything was off limits. They didn't say there was anything I
[01:55:28] They didn't say there was anything I couldn't ask you, right?
[01:55:29] couldn't ask you, right? >> They didn't ask to be able to edit this.
[01:55:31] >> They didn't ask to be able to edit this. And I would like more politicians to to
[01:55:34] And I would like more politicians to to follow in that vein. YouTube have this
[01:55:36] follow in that vein. YouTube have this new crazy algorithm where they know
[01:55:37] new crazy algorithm where they know exactly what video you would like to
[01:55:39] exactly what video you would like to watch next based on AI and all of your
[01:55:42] watch next based on AI and all of your viewing behavior. And the algorithm says
[01:55:44] viewing behavior. And the algorithm says that this video is the perfect video for
[01:55:47] that this video is the perfect video for you. It's different for everybody
[01:55:48] you. It's different for everybody looking right now. Check this video out
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