# MUSLIMS: Why Should MY WIFE Convert To ISLAM? @LadyLogicLL

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[00:00] What's the only thing we do in all that?
[00:02] we just read?
[00:02] We just read.
[00:04] We just read this.
[00:04] What your book say?
[00:06] Don't blame me.
[00:09] This what your book say.
[00:11] Hey, here's a challenge for you.
[00:13] Open up your book.
[00:15] Can you read it and explain to us how ain't a crook?
[00:16] I see you can make it pretty.
[00:18] But it's not about the look.
[00:19] Because the words and what they mean is why you always getting cooked.
[00:24] What's going on everybody?
[00:25] Welcome, welcome, welcome.
[00:28] I have my wife in the studio with me, guys.
[00:31] Wow.
[00:31] I have made it.
[00:35] This is uh this is incredible.
[00:39] Um wow.
[00:39] I just want to thank thank my thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
[00:44] Um I want to thank my mama, you know, she believed in me.
[00:48] My pops out there supporting, you know, we got Lady Logic.
[00:51] Oh my goodness.
[00:53] We got Lady Logic on the stream, man.
[00:55] Can't nothing go wrong, right?
[00:57] Can't nothing go wrong with this one, man.
[00:57] So,
[01:00] uh, what's up?
[01:00] What's up, sweetheart?
[01:03] Nothing.
[01:03] Just thought I'd hop on and join you today and see why I should convert to Islam.
[01:09] Wow.
[01:10] To Islam.
[01:11] So, this whole time I've always kind of thought that you was an undercover undercover muna.
[01:18] I was.
[01:18] I was.
[01:18] But then I changed my mind.
[01:22] I heard some valid arguments.
[01:25] Plus, you know, after we got married, I was like, "Do I want to share him?
[01:30] I don't think so.
[01:30] I think I'll become a Christian.
[01:32] Oh, so you you don't like the idea of of multiple wives, huh?
[01:37] Yeah.
[01:37] I want to be the first and only, not one of four.
[01:41] Gotcha.
[01:41] Gotcha.
[01:41] Gotcha.
[01:41] It's kind of tough.
[01:43] Okay, no worries.
[01:43] Uh we got some super chats here.
[01:46] We got some super chats.
[01:47] Um, for you guys that's joining, you guys can come on up and uh demonstrate to us why why we should become Muslim.
[01:55] Why should she become Muslim?
[01:56] Why should we anybody consider Islam?
[01:58] Um, you know, if you guys could
[02:01] give us some good reasons.
[02:03] I'm pretty sure we'll uh we'll get a shahada,
[02:05] right?
[02:07] We might get a shahada. Is that right?
[02:07] Well, you never know.
[02:08] Okay. Never know.
[02:11] Um, I haven't gotten paid yet, but I give what I got.
[02:14] God bless you.
[02:16] Shout out to the goat, Lady Logic.
[02:19] By the way, Avery, did you see the debate between Orthodox Muslim and Ryan?
[02:21] Uh, I saw I saw most of it.
[02:26] Didn't get to finish that.
[02:29] Um, I heard he crashed out.
[02:31] I heard I heard Liiano crashed out.
[02:32] So, how do you crash out on that guy?
[02:34] He's so calm and cool and collected.
[02:37] Well, you know, it's it's it's Flippiano, man.
[02:38] He be flipping out.
[02:41] Shiralicious.
[02:43] That's right.
[02:45] Double L for the W.
[02:46] Hey, praise God.
[02:49] All right, that's enough.
[02:52] Watch this dog bite.
[02:54] All time quote.
[02:54] I was in the house dying laughing when I heard him on that live saying that.
[02:58] I'm like, are you serious?
[02:59] Who are you talking to?
[03:01] Watch this dog
[03:03] Bite.
[03:06] Um, King Smith says, "Can you guys call out Sunny Faze or make a video refuting him and Beck Lover?
[03:14] I am sick and tired of him.
[03:14] He's worse than Sneo."
[03:18] Worse than Sneo is is pretty tough.
[03:20] That's that's that's hard to be.
[03:22] It's hard to be It's hard to be worse than Sneo, but they are they are right there.
[03:27] They on the same level when it comes to stupid arguments and dumb, you know, quotes and all that kind of good stuff.
[03:33] Um, uh, yeah.
[03:33] I think Lady Logic, it would be good idea for you to do a couple response videos to Sunonny Faz and and Beck Lover.
[03:41] You know who Beck Lover is?
[03:42] I don't.
[03:43] He's the the heavy set guy that IP debated.
[03:47] Oh,
[03:48] you've seen him before, right?
[03:49] You don't see how?
[03:52] Yes, I've seen him before.
[03:54] The bird was already alive, man.
[03:57] That's that's I love this guy.
[03:59] This guy always reminds us of what that Muslim said that day.
[04:03] any anything
[04:05] to keep the credit from going to Jesus.
[04:07] When Jesus created the bird from clay in the Quran, the Muslim tried to argue that the bird was already alive.
[04:11] Jesus didn't make it alive.
[04:16] It was already alive,
[04:17] right?
[04:20] Uh why you sitting in her seat, man?
[04:22] Y'all tripping.
[04:24] Y'all about to get blocked in here.
[04:25] No baby logic.
[04:28] Not yet.
[04:28] Not yet.
[04:28] When are you coming to Vegas, brother?
[04:30] God bless.
[04:30] When When are we coming to Vegas?
[04:34] I don't know.
[04:36] Maybe we'll never
[04:37] Maybe never.
[04:38] We might never come to Vegas.
[04:42] Dog Logic and his amazing barbecue lady.
[04:47] Barb, I did it again.
[04:47] Black beautiful queen.
[04:50] I think that is.
[04:50] Is that right?
[04:52] I don't know.
[04:52] I thought barbecue as well, but I'm from Texas, so
[04:55] I'm I'm I'm just I'm going just keep saying barbecue because that that's my
[05:00] that we we love barbecue.
[05:00] Over.
[05:00] as long as I don't get barbecued.
[05:05] Logic, I'm curious on the Muslims view
[05:07] on John the Baptist.
[05:09] Have you ever argued about him?
[05:12] Um, I haven't really did an intense focus on John the Baptist, but uh I think that would actually kind of be fun to see to see their what they think about Yaha named after Yahweh.
[05:24] Yeah.
[05:25] OMG, it's Lady Logic.
[05:28] Who's the guy next to you, girl?
[05:29] You know, I don't know.
[05:31] He just, you know, he snuck in here, so I let him stay.
[05:33] But we'll see.
[05:36] We'll see how he does today.
[05:38] Uh, let's see here.
[05:40] We got a big super chat for you, Lady Logic.
[05:43] You read it.
[05:45] Goodness.
[05:47] You are always glowing for Christ.
[05:50] Thank you so much.
[05:51] I appreciate the love.
[05:51] I really do.
[05:54] Yeah.
[05:54] Yeah.
[05:54] Yeah.
[05:54] All right, let's move on.
[05:57] Uh, we must not be Muslims because we won't know if we're beloved by God.
[06:01] It's funny, but it's deep.
[06:01] It's true.
[06:03] According to Dr. Nasser, Muslims cannot claim to be beloved of their God.
[06:09] While we are assured, promised that we are the beloved ones of God.
[06:15] He got mad because you kind of felt sorry for him, right?
[06:18] Man, my heart went out to C.
[06:20] Yeah, he got mad about that.
[06:22] Yeah.
[06:22] Um, okay.
[06:22] All right.
[06:22] So, we have a few guests here.
[06:25] We got JV Bach.
[06:27] He was here first.
[06:27] Let's go ahead and bring up uh guys, I need to make sure that you guys aren't trolling me today.
[06:31] So, I need some face cams.
[06:36] So, we will be prioritizing you having your cameras on.
[06:39] So, the people who have their cameras on get first dibs.
[06:43] All right.
[06:43] So, JB, you'll be first.
[06:46] But the rest of you guys, I need you guys to turn on your cameras.
[06:49] JB, you're up.
[06:52] How you doing?
[06:55] Hey, bro.
[06:55] Can you hear me?
[06:57] I can hear you just fine.
[06:59] Um, I'd rather not open my face cam, but I'm prepared to have a respectful conversation.
[07:05] As long as you're not a weirdo, man.
[07:05] If you're a cool dude, I'm not I'm not that
[07:09] Strict on that, man.
[07:11] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.
[07:13] Uh, I'm a Muslim to start with.
[07:17] Native Arabic speaker.
[07:20] Nice. Nice. Nice. That actually makes things a lot better.
[07:25] Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
[07:29] And the point or the question actually that I've been wanting to ask you, you know, since I would say last week, me trying to get in your lives, but you know, I'm usually late.
[07:39] Uh, it ties into the topic of that man isn't God, if you know what I mean.
[07:48] Okay.
[07:50] Um, basically the verse Mark 13:32, the verse about Jesus not knowing the hour.
[08:01] Mhm.
[08:01] I've seen your response to that being that the word oiden means to announce.
[08:07] Yeah.
[08:09] Would you mind putting the verse up?
[08:13] Sure.
[08:15] Do you disagree with that?
[08:19] I'm getting to it because because I want to look at the verse in context of it and the verseh after 33.
[08:27] A 33.
[08:29] Yeah. 32 33.
[08:30] I like that, man.
[08:32] I like I like that you're a man of context.
[08:35] Yeah. Same as you, bro.
[08:37] Respect goes to you.
[08:39] I've seen, you know, your debates.
[08:42] Um may not agree with everything, but you're well researched.
[08:45] Thank you, man.
[08:46] Thank you.
[08:48] I'm just trying to be like Lady Logic.
[08:50] Just trying to, you know, trying to get get up there with that.
[08:53] All right.
[08:53] So, here is Whoops.
[08:56] Not even sharing anything yet.
[08:58] Wow.
[08:59] Well, sorry.
[09:00] I'm sorry.
[09:01] You make me nervous, sweetheart.
[09:02] My bad, babe.
[09:04] All right.
[09:04] Here we go.
[09:07] Yeah.
[09:07] All right.
[09:07] So, but concerning that day or that or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but the but only the father.
[09:11] Be on
[09:14] guard. Keep awake for you do not know
[09:17] when the time will come.
[09:20] Yes, exactly.
[09:22] So basically, I've seen your explanation
[09:24] that oiden here means to announce and in
[09:27] of itself like if you read the verse
[09:29] alone 32, I'm willing to accept the
[09:32] interpretation. But the thing is and the
[09:35] thing that points to my opinion of
[09:38] believing that oiden means no just like
[09:41] the majority of uh Bible exudes. So
[09:46] verse after Jesus is talking to his
[09:48] disciples. Correct.
[09:51] Yes. He's emphasizing their ignorance of
[09:53] not know when the time will come. And
[09:55] Yes. Be on guard. Keep awake for you do
[10:01] the word used here is
[10:05] from the same uh from the same root.
[10:07] It's a different pronunciation since you
[10:08] know the tense is different. He's
[10:10] talking to the disciples. But wouldn't
[10:14] meaning announce mean that the disciples
[10:17] know when the hour is and Jesus is telling them for you do not know when to announce it.
[10:21] Which I believe doesn't make much sense.
[10:25] All right.
[10:25] So the answer to that would be no because uh the reason why they can't announce it is because they don't know it as in the first place and also this is for the father to do.
[10:35] Now um I agree with you that in verse 33 he is emphasizing the disciples ignorance of when that time will come.
[10:44] Um, and I like the rest of the context because he says, "It is like a man going on a journey when he leaves his home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake.
[11:02] Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning, lest he comes suddenly and finds you asleep.
[11:14] And what I say to you, I say to all.
[11:16] Stay awake.
[11:16] Now, in this parable here,
[11:21] would you say that the he he he demonstrates that it's not the master,
[11:25] but it's the servants who don't know.
[11:27] Correct.
[11:29] Yes.
[11:29] But I don't think it's, you know, I feel like it's a far reach to look at that instead of comparing it to the verse directly after it using the same word.
[11:40] He he literally compares it.
[11:41] He literally says it is like and he compares it directly with uh a master leaving going on a long journey and leaving his his servants in charge of his house.
[11:51] So would you say that the would would you would you say that the master doesn't know when he's going to return to his own home?
[12:00] Um no I agree with your interpretation for that verse.
[12:04] Mhm.
[12:04] But don't you think since the other verse, you know, is literally consecutive to the one before it, and setting that aside,
[12:15] Jesus is telling his disciples be on guard, it makes much more sense for him to tell them to keep their guard up as
[12:22] Yeah.
[12:22] Do good deeds, stay out of evil since they don't know when the hour is.
[12:26] Be be aware of the signs.
[12:26] I I agree.
[12:29] So you're So it looks like we're on the same page that Jesus emphasizes the ignorance of the believers, the disciples of when that time will come.
[12:41] However, the master isn't ignorant.
[12:44] Now if we're now remember sorry, sorry, bro.
[12:47] So you're saying that in verse 33 means to know.
[12:52] Yes.
[12:52] This is talking about cognitive knowledge.
[12:54] And so and then he keeps demonstrating that he goes it is like a man going on a journey yada yada yada right so the master of his of the house knows when he's coming back to his own home can we agree.
[13:09] Sure you could say that.
[13:11] And when we're matching the parables like Jesus does the master in this parable is Jesus the servants of the master would be the disciples and the believers right.
[13:22] so just as the master knows when he's going to come back to his own house.
[13:27] Of course, Christ knows when he's going to come back and you know get his bride or come to the believers.
[13:32] He knows his own coming.
[13:34] It's the believers who are ignorant of that day.
[13:40] So you're saying that in this context we can assume that oiden means to announce for him but correct to but here's the thing.
[13:47] Let's you know focus on that specific verse.
[13:52] Okay.
[13:55] Uh I can accept your explanation you know assuming because you're starting from a Christian position assuming that Jesus is God.
[14:01] So that interpretation could work.
[14:02] Okay.
[14:03] But looking at the verse itself assuming that it means to announce you know meaning to announce would that also mean that the angels know but they don't announce as well?
[14:15] Yeah.
[14:15] So so I'm not saying that verse 32 gives knowledge to any of these characters.
[14:21] not is it's not talking
[14:23] about cognitive knowledge at all.
[14:26] So when I'm saying that when Oiden is being used in a sense of announcing, I'm not saying that any of them know, right?
[14:36] I'm saying that according to the verse, it's specifically talking about it's for the father to announce, not anyone else.
[14:42] It's just it's purely about the job of the father.
[14:44] It's his job to do this, not anyone else's.
[14:46] Now when we keep going now we're seeing that who is ignorant now of this.
[14:53] Who's ignorant of this?
[14:53] It ain't Jesus.
[14:56] Everybody else is ignorant of it.
[14:58] You know so that's what the rest of the context demonstrates.
[15:03] And then obviously the rest of the Bible on this topic demonstrates Jesus knows all things.
[15:07] Um.
[15:08] Yeah.
[15:08] Yeah.
[15:10] Obviously the hour will come.
[15:11] Yeah.
[15:11] Have you read where Jesus talks about, you know, the signs of his coming?
[15:19] Um, in the Bible?
[15:20] Yeah.
[15:23] Okay, let's check it out.
[15:25] Just I would like to just tap on uh one thing just a quick response to your counter argument.
[15:29] Um, without you know opening a door into a bigger debate.
[15:32] Uh so one thing we can agree on is that in this verse it like demonstrates you could say authority to the father.
[15:38] It says it clearly like puts the attention on the father and uh excludes the other uh figures mentioned in the verse.
[15:46] So without opening like a bigger topic, wouldn't you say that it's different differentiating between the father and the son and since they share the same essence, isn't knowledge something that they're both supposed to have or announcing, assuming Odin means to announce?
[16:11] Yeah. No.
[16:11] So of course they have the same knowledge, but the son can humble himself to the father.
[16:15] That doesn't have anything to do. It doesn't degrade his divine essence or anything like that because they're distinct persons.
[16:24] Jesus takes on the role of a servant as the Bible says he humbled himself becoming obedient to the father.
[16:31] Um he relinquishes that authority to the father to announce it you know out of respect and love for the father.
[16:37] It doesn't diminish his divid his divinity at all.
[16:41] Does that make sense?
[16:43] Um, honestly speaking, I feel like it's a I wouldn't say a bad response, but it's not a, you know, a clean knock out of a response.
[16:54] I feel like certain assumptions have to be made from a biased position.
[17:01] Uh, from a biased position.
[17:03] obviously.
[17:04] Yeah. Since you're a Christian, because when reading these verses, there are certain things you assumed, you know.
[17:12] So, Jesus God, so the master knows.
[17:14] Notice, brother, I'm not I'm not taking this off of my opinion or assumption.
[17:17] I'm using the Bible to interpret the Bible.
[17:20] Right? That's why we asked like, "Have you ever read the passages where Jesus
[17:25] is giving all the signs of his coming?
[17:27] So when you read the rest of the Bible, there's no way you come away thinking that Jesus doesn't know when he's returning.
[17:35] Obviously, you know, context, you know, us Muslims, cuz we're coming from a different position, we disagree with you on the Bible.
[17:42] So that's why I was saying coming from you, there were certain assumptions were being made.
[17:50] Well, certain things, you know, if they're said in the Bible, like, yeah, they're said, they're said.
[17:53] So yeah, I haven't read those parts.
[17:58] I think if you read those parts and then you read this again, you'll see that the explanation is clear.
[18:02] So not only within the context of the verse do we see Jesus giving a direct analogy of a master and servants.
[18:11] The master, you agreed, knows when he's returning.
[18:13] The servants don't know.
[18:15] It's up to them to be ready.
[18:17] And Jesus gives other parables very similar to this about the master returning at a certain time and the servants needing to be ready and prepared.
[18:24] And then we also
[18:27] see in the Bible where Jesus is giving the signs of his coming.
[18:29] So if you read in context, it's not an assumption.
[18:34] It's the context.
[18:38] Yeah.
[18:39] From your from your reading.
[18:44] Because like I said before, us Muslims, we could disagree on certain things in the Bible.
[18:48] You know, different verses.
[18:49] I and the father are one.
[18:51] You guys read it one way, we read it one way.
[18:53] You get me?
[18:54] Certain things are
[18:55] You say from our reading, right?
[18:57] You say from our reading, but you haven't read these.
[18:59] So, if you go and read Matthew 24 and then come back and read this,
[19:06] let us know if you still feel the same way
[19:08] or all of Mark, you know, before before Mark 13.
[19:11] Yeah.
[19:11] or or all of Mark 13.
[19:13] So so so what this is what we have.
[19:15] So we what we have is is we have a total a totality of scriptures regarding the nature of Christ and his relationship with the father.
[19:23] The scripture teaches that he's divine one in essence with the father um while being a distinct person
[19:30] from the father and humbling himself to the father.
[19:32] So this is what scripture teaches.
[19:35] That's Philippians chapter 2.
[19:37] That's Hebrews chapter 1:es 1 and 3.
[19:41] um that's all the throughout the gospels that that we're reading.
[19:43] So we see this continuously.
[19:45] So there's no problem like there's not an assumption coming from our part.
[19:49] We're we're we're literally giving you biblical doctrine.
[19:54] Mhm.
[19:56] Um all right, bro.
[19:59] Look, I'll look into this part u and I'll be bringing it up inshallah next time.
[20:05] I have another question.
[20:08] there's more time regarding why you should become Muslim.
[20:11] And I don't think you've ever been asked this question before.
[20:14] Okay.
[20:14] Maybe.
[20:16] So let's compare Islam and Christianity directly.
[20:23] Obviously your background in cosmology and astronomy I assume is good.
[20:29] What?
[20:29] You know the basics.
[20:29] I'm sure the scale
[20:32] not at all.
[20:34] >> Not really. like the general background,
[20:36] the scale of the Earth to the universe,
[20:39] amount of stars.
[20:42] >> Not not really. I ain't no expert in in
[20:44] in uh in astronomy, man. Very basic.
[20:47] >> You have to get cooked, baby.
[20:49] >> I'm not sure if the Bible affirms uh
[20:53] extraterrestrial life outside of Earth
[20:56] or denies it. But from our perspective,
[20:59] from the Quranic perspective,
[21:01] Allah always talks about Lord of the
[21:04] worlds. And there's another verse where
[21:08] it talks about creatures that he spread
[21:10] between the heavens and the earth. So
[21:12] it's plausible that there is life
[21:14] outside of Earth. My question is,
[21:16] wouldn't it make more sense assuming,
[21:19] here's the thing, assuming that there is
[21:21] extraterrestrial life outside of Earth,
[21:23] you know, just because of sheer numbers,
[21:25] you know, the amount of stars like the
[21:27] sun,
[21:28] >> we we wouldn't we wouldn't doubt that.
[21:30] Why how why would why would that make us
[21:33] Muslim?
[21:35] >> Yeah, that's what I'm getting to.
[21:36] Wouldn't it make much more sense with a
[21:39] universe of this size and this scale and
[21:41] the amount of the stars and creatures
[21:43] and assuming assuming that they have
[21:47] revelation as well that it makes more
[21:49] sense that everything returns back to
[21:51] one necessary existence
[21:55] >> a singular
[21:56] >> I mean I just
[21:57] >> that's the thing so I feel like the
[22:00] model of the trinity
[22:01] >> why would that make us Muslim that's the
[22:03] thing I feel like the model of the
[22:05] trinity when you look at it from like a
[22:07] cosmological perspective like this
[22:10] weakens a bit.
[22:11] >> How what does what does the trinity have
[22:13] to do with cosmology?
[22:15] I mean, I'm sure you believe, you know,
[22:18] God is the creator of the universe,
[22:19] right? Not just the earth, not just the
[22:21] localized planet we're in.
[22:23] >> Hold on. Hold on, brother. What What
[22:25] does other life forms on other planets,
[22:29] how does that make Islam true?
[22:33] >> I'm saying that with the size of this
[22:37] universe that we're in, the sheer size,
[22:39] wouldn't it make more sense for
[22:40] everything to return to one necessary
[22:44] existence? a truly singular existence.
[22:47] >> What do you mean by truly singular
[22:49] existence? Do you mean like a singular
[22:52] person who is God, not a multi-personal
[22:56] God?
[22:57] >> One God. Obviously, I've heard you say
[22:59] this before. God is not quantifiable.
[23:01] But I'm talking about one deeper order.
[23:05] >> So, so just one God. That's all you're
[23:07] saying?
[23:08] >> Yes. That's what I'm tapping into.
[23:10] That's what I'm tapping into. Since Yes,
[23:12] I know. That's what that's what we
[23:14] believe. We believe in one God. So I
[23:15] don't
[23:15] >> Yes,
[23:16] >> I don't.
[23:17] >> Yes. Yes, I understand that. But now
[23:20] you're assuming that you know Jesus is
[23:24] God. Obviously, Jesus, Holy Spirit,
[23:26] Father, Son, Holy Spirit. If there is
[23:28] revelation outside of Earth, which we
[23:32] can assume since we're monotheistic
[23:34] believers is plausible, would they also
[23:37] believe that Jesus is God?
[23:39] >> If he That's my question. If God reveals
[23:43] his nature in re via revelation to these
[23:46] other planets and these other beings and
[23:48] creatures, then yes, we base our idea of
[23:52] who God is on his revelation, not on our
[23:56] idea of what's the most simple or our
[23:58] assumptions. What he says about himself
[24:00] is what we go by.
[24:02] >> Or aliens.
[24:04] >> Mhm. So
[24:06] >> even aliens, if God revealed himself to
[24:09] them, they would believe in what he
[24:11] revealed or disbelieve. But
[24:14] >> So you think there could be other
[24:16] incarnations happening out there?
[24:22] >> That's not what we're saying.
[24:23] >> Not other incarnations.
[24:24] >> See what I mean? That's why I'm saying
[24:26] >> Personally, I feel like the Christian
[24:28] model is weaker when it comes to this
[24:29] point.
[24:30] >> But you're you're not demonstrating what
[24:32] the weak point is. Like that is the
[24:34] point. I'm I'm I'm confused. If there
[24:35] are if there are aliens, that's what I'm
[24:38] trying to say objectively.
[24:39] >> If there are aliens out there,
[24:42] >> how does that make Islam true, bro?
[24:45] >> Uh, no. Obviously, I'm not saying that,
[24:47] oh, Islam is now true, ya Allah,
[24:50] believe. No, what I'm saying is that it
[24:52] I feel like it weakens the trinitarian
[24:55] god model of Christianity.
[24:58] >> Okay, brother. So, it it looks like
[24:59] we're not going anywhere because you're
[25:01] saying if there's aliens out there, then
[25:03] the Trinity is false somehow. It weakens
[25:06] it. I I'm not seeing the connection.
[25:08] >> That's what I feel. I'm not saying it's
[25:09] false. I feel like it weakens it
[25:11] objectively.
[25:12] >> Okay. Well, you you can have that,
[25:13] brother. I don't I don't
[25:14] >> It doesn't do anything to strengthen
[25:16] Islam, though. You agree with that?
[25:18] >> Or weaken anything. I mean everything
[25:22] around us coming back to one singular
[25:24] source, a true one singular source
[25:30] everywhere.
[25:30] >> So I feel like that makes more sense,
[25:32] but I'm trying not to open
[25:35] God. JV.
[25:39] >> Yeah. All right. I'm going let I'mma let
[25:41] somebody else up, man. But I appreciate
[25:42] the conversation, man.
[25:43] >> No worries at all, man. I'll look in
[25:45] into the other verses.
[25:47] >> Yeah. Check out the passages where Jesus
[25:51] about his coming. It'll help you.
[25:53] >> No worries. No worries.
[25:55] >> It was great talking to you guys.
[25:57] >> You too, man.
[25:58] >> Bye-bye.
[25:59] >> Byebye.
[26:02] Uh, Bird
[26:06] Bird
[26:07] Bird.
[26:09] >> Hey, how you doing, Avery?
[26:11] >> Hi. How do I say your name, man?
[26:13] >> Uh, Bad.
[26:14] >> Bad.
[26:15] >> Yeah. Okay,
[26:17] >> that's the is the three when we write it
[26:19] in Latin letters.
[26:20] >> Got it. Got it. Got it. You're a Muslim.
[26:23] >> Yes, I am. Alhamdulillah. It's uh it's
[26:25] great to speak to you both. Um I'm a
[26:29] huge fan. I really like your uh program
[26:32] and uh I appreciate that uh you know you
[26:36] you have this intellectual honesty. um
[26:39] you don't kind of like uh
[26:42] you don't put on airs, you know, you you
[26:45] are actually after the truth, which I
[26:47] really appreciate and I enjoy.
[26:48] >> Thanks, man.
[26:49] >> Um so,
[26:52] just kind of wondering what it is that
[26:54] you had in mind for this discussion. Uh
[26:57] did you want to talk about Islam? Did
[26:59] you want to talk about Christianity? Or
[27:00] did you have like a specific
[27:03] uh a specific subject that you wanted to
[27:06] uh to discuss today?
[27:09] Yeah. Well, um there's a few reasons why
[27:13] me and my wife that we reject Islam.
[27:16] >> Um
[27:18] >> obviously this is a broad topic, but
[27:20] just to be quite simple, the concept of
[27:23] of Allah, the constants of God in Islam.
[27:26] >> We we don't really see it as as
[27:28] sufficient necessarily for him to be
[27:31] God.
[27:32] >> Gotcha.
[27:33] >> And we'll get we'll give a a couple
[27:34] examples. Uh,
[27:36] >> I got one.
[27:36] >> Yo, all right. What what you got,
[27:37] sweetheart?
[27:39] >> Sorry. Go ahead.
[27:40] >> Oh, well, in sahi Muslim 2749,
[27:44] it says, "By him in whose hand is my
[27:46] life, if you were not to commit sin,
[27:49] Allah would sweep you out of existence,
[27:51] and he would replace you by those who
[27:54] would commit sin and seek forgiveness
[27:56] from Allah, and he would have pardoned
[27:58] them."
[28:00] >> Okay.
[28:02] So our issue here is why would God
[28:05] prefer for humanity to sin and sweep out
[28:09] of existence those who submitted to him
[28:11] fully without rebellion?
[28:14] >> It's a great question. Um you you know
[28:16] in Islam we believe that one of the
[28:18] primary purposes that allahel
[28:21] uh created us uh is to worship and
[28:24] glorify him. Um and one of one of the
[28:28] things that uh brings us close to God or
[28:32] closer to God is uh kind of having this
[28:35] conception of what it is that he wants
[28:38] from us and then trying to fulfill that.
[28:41] Um so we we we say in Arabic um that
[28:47] faith uh is
[28:51] so um belief in the heart uh speech with
[28:56] the tongue
[28:58] and action
[29:00] with our physical bodies. Uh so those
[29:03] are kind of the three components that
[29:05] make up faith. uh if we were not to sin,
[29:09] uh so let's say that all of our actions
[29:12] and all of our speech are entirely uh in
[29:16] line with God, uh then there's not
[29:19] really a way for us to grow uh
[29:23] spiritually. Uh there's not really a way
[29:25] for us to uh become better. uh like part
[29:29] of the notion that we have about uh our
[29:32] creation and allahel is he didn't create
[29:35] us to be um like the angels uh you know
[29:39] without sin never committing evil uh he
[29:42] rather created us with free will uh he
[29:45] created us in or in his own image in
[29:48] that we're also creators
[29:51] >> so we just as allahel uh he created the
[29:55] heavens and the earth and everything
[29:56] within them In our limited scope of
[29:59] existence, we also create
[30:02] something interesting. You said
[30:04] something really interesting. You said
[30:05] that without um sinning, there's no way
[30:09] for you to grow. Would you say that if
[30:12] you have temptation to sin and you don't
[30:15] sin, does that grow your character?
[30:19] >> Well, I mean, uh yeah, it does for sure.
[30:23] Uh so you know resisting our physical
[30:27] desires, resisting our uh intellectual
[30:31] desires, whatever it is uh definitely
[30:34] demonstrates that we're committed uh to
[30:37] uh allahel. We're committed in being in
[30:40] line with the plan and following uh
[30:43] God's structure.
[30:45] >> Right? You guys believe that's what it
[30:46] means to be a Muslim, right? That's the
[30:48] definition of being a Muslim is to
[30:50] submit to Allah. Uh well I mean
[30:53] linguistically that's what the word
[30:55] means. It does encompass more than that
[30:58] though.
[31:00] Obviously there's specific uh ideally
[31:06] like you too.
[31:08] >> Okay so here's our issue. If the main
[31:12] goal of being a Muslim is to submit to
[31:15] Allah, and you can grow by resisting
[31:19] temptation, being in this fallen world,
[31:20] and staying true to the path you're
[31:22] supposed to be on, there's different
[31:24] trials and tribulations that come
[31:25] through with that through this life, but
[31:28] you stay on the straight path. You
[31:30] submit to Allah. Why would he then
[31:33] destroy you for that, for not making any
[31:36] mistakes?
[31:37] >> That's tough.
[31:38] >> Yeah. Um uh so it's it's a great
[31:41] question. I think that part of uh
[31:44] allahel's plan for us is to create the
[31:48] things that we have created. So as these
[31:52] uh kind of um secondary uh creators that
[31:56] exist in this world, we've made so much
[31:58] art, we've made uh so much music, you
[32:01] know, all these feats of engineering
[32:03] that even though they are like it is the
[32:06] creation of God because he created us
[32:08] and then we created it. Um it kind of
[32:11] has this compounded value. Um so we are
[32:15] making the world better. Uh we're making
[32:17] the universe better. We're making
[32:19] Allah's creation better. And I think
[32:21] that if we were just these mindless
[32:24] drones that uh just went about things uh
[32:28] completely
[32:29] uh faithfully to the plan like like the
[32:33] blueprints, then that value was lost.
[32:36] Like we we have to think about it. We
[32:37] are these tiny beings uh that exist on
[32:42] this tiny rock in this massive universe.
[32:45] And I think like I'm not of the belief
[32:48] that you know we're only going to exist
[32:50] for another 50 years or hundred years
[32:52] and then the world is going to end. I
[32:54] think we have uh millions and millions
[32:56] of years to go uh and a lot of things to
[33:00] do in this universe.
[33:01] >> So that's kind of my view on our place
[33:05] in the universe. And I think that all
[33:08] over you know
[33:09] >> I see a lot of what you're saying and I
[33:12] appreciate it. Our problem is that Allah
[33:16] created human beings and you're saying
[33:18] that he created them with free will,
[33:19] which is debatable, but I want to stay
[33:22] on this topic. You're saying that he
[33:24] created them with free will. So, you had
[33:26] the choice to sin or not to sin. And
[33:29] yet, if you made the choice not to,
[33:32] Allah would destroy you. That is a
[33:35] problem to us. So that is that is a
[33:39] direct contradiction to the nature of a
[33:42] holy and righteous God who should want
[33:44] us to submit to him and reward us when
[33:47] we submit to him. Instead, we have Allah
[33:50] who would literally sweep you from
[33:52] existence if you didn't. Let me ask you
[33:54] this. In the story of the flood, you
[33:56] know, with Noah and the flood, why did
[33:58] Allah send the flood? Why why did God
[34:02] send the flood?
[34:05] Um so I I think it was like a part of uh
[34:10] you know regenerating uh the earth. So
[34:13] we had strayed from the plan of allahel.
[34:17] Uh things were going badly. Um and he he
[34:22] wanted basically to reset uh
[34:26] on the sin.
[34:27] >> Do you see the the problem here? So he
[34:30] swept everyone out of existence for
[34:33] sinning in the story of the flood.
[34:36] Everyone was sinning. So he wiped them
[34:38] all out. And then we have this by him in
[34:42] whose hand is my life. If you were not
[34:43] to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out
[34:45] of existence. Do you see the problem
[34:48] here?
[34:49] >> Uh not not really. Like I think what uh
[34:52] the hadith what inab
[34:55] was saying is that uh there is value in
[34:59] repentance. Repenting from uh our sin is
[35:04] uh it gives us more value than having
[35:08] never sinned and never repented. Mm-
[35:10] >> So that's that's what it is basically
[35:13] >> more more value in repentance
[35:17] than being holy being right
[35:20] >> it's not being it's not being holy but
[35:22] uh so for example
[35:24] >> would you would you agree that not
[35:25] sinning is holy being holy
[35:29] >> no uh I I think not sinning is
[35:34] yeah it doesn't make you holy to not sin
[35:36] >> what what
[35:37] >> is holy
[35:38] >> what is holy So here here here's the
[35:40] thing, right? Uh when we're judged uh on
[35:43] the day of judgment, what's being judged
[35:46] here is our good deeds and our bad
[35:49] deeds. We want to have
[35:52] >> we want to have a positive net value. So
[35:55] just not sinning that still leaves you
[35:57] at zero. Like you actually need the good
[36:00] deeds and the good works in order to
[36:02] have net value. Not not sinning.
[36:04] >> I got a I got a definition. Sorry. I got
[36:06] a definition of holy here. It says uh it
[36:10] says exalted or worthy of complete
[36:12] devotion as one perfect in goodness and
[36:15] righteousness. Another definition would
[36:17] be um devoted entirely to the deity or
[36:21] the work of the deity.
[36:23] >> Okay. Uh what what definition is that?
[36:27] Like is that a dictionary definition or
[36:29] >> this is Yeah, this is a Miam Webster's
[36:31] dictionary. So the first one was exalted
[36:33] or worthy of complete devotion as one
[36:36] perfect in goodness and righteousness.
[36:38] Another definition it gave was devoted
[36:41] entirely to the deity of the work or the
[36:45] work of the deity. So
[36:47] >> okay
[36:47] >> um holy holiness entails goodness,
[36:50] righteousness.
[36:52] Wouldn't you agree that not sinning
[36:54] would be good and righteous?
[36:57] >> Well, not sinning like is so It doesn't
[37:02] give you any negative value. You're not
[37:03] losing points when you don't sin, but
[37:06] you're not gaining any points either.
[37:08] You're you're still
[37:09] >> I have an issue with that. I have an
[37:11] issue with that because what is sin?
[37:14] >> Um it depends obviously on what paradigm
[37:18] we're looking at it through. But uh from
[37:20] the Islamic paradigm uh sin is
[37:24] disobedience
[37:26] >> uh right to Allah's command. Allahel
[37:29] says, "Don't eat pork, but then I have a
[37:32] bacon cheeseburger." That's that's sin
[37:35] right there. I know that God God planned
[37:38] this, but I'm choosing a different path
[37:40] anyway. So, I'm putting my desires above
[37:43] Allah.
[37:44] >> So, if someone offers you a bacon
[37:45] cheeseburger right now and you say, "No
[37:47] thanks. I'm a Muslim. I submit to Allah
[37:50] and I refuse to disobey him in this
[37:52] matter."
[37:53] >> You're saying that that's a net
[37:54] negative. You don't go for obeying him
[37:58] right there.
[37:59] >> It's not ne negative. I'm not getting
[38:00] any negative points. I would get
[38:02] negative points if I ate that bacon
[38:04] cheeseburger.
[38:05] >> You don't get positive points for not
[38:07] eating the burger.
[38:08] >> No, I mean I'm not doing any I'm not
[38:11] doing any any I'm not doing anything.
[38:13] >> You are you're Is it Isn't it I'm just
[38:17] resisting temptation.
[38:18] >> Would Wouldn't Wouldn't resisting sin be
[38:21] counted as a good deed? Every time you
[38:23] resist sin, is that not a good deed
[38:25] added to you?
[38:26] >> No. Uh so so that's like the that's like
[38:29] the base minimum. Right.
[38:31] >> Right.
[38:32] >> What what's a Okay. So this this is
[38:34] interesting. So not sinning mean it
[38:36] really means nothing in Islam. When you
[38:39] don't sin, when you act accordingly to
[38:41] what Allah has told you, when you submit
[38:44] to Allah with full submission perfectly,
[38:46] whenever you do that, that means
[38:48] nothing.
[38:48] >> No point. No. I I I mean, so if you're
[38:52] just fault, like, is it a good thing if
[38:55] you don't murder Avery? Like, should I
[38:58] be should I be saying, you know, Avery,
[39:00] you're such a good man. You have not
[39:02] murdered anyone?
[39:03] >> Yes.
[39:04] >> Yeah.
[39:05] >> Yeah. Absolutely.
[39:07] I mean,
[39:08] >> how about how about this, Barat? How
[39:10] about if someone if someone comes and
[39:15] you know uh steal let's say they stole
[39:17] from me
[39:18] >> or wrong wronged me and instead of like
[39:23] reacting in murder you know I I you know
[39:26] I I don't I don't I don't kill the
[39:28] person you know what I'm saying I might
[39:30] go off on them or something like that
[39:31] but I don't kill the person you know
[39:34] >> wouldn't that show restraint and that I
[39:37] that I have like I have my Lord in in my
[39:40] view and and that it's because of who I
[39:43] submit to that that guides my actions
[39:45] and my self-control.
[39:48] >> Yeah, sure. I mean, it's definitely
[39:50] better than murdering him, right?
[39:52] Because murdering him then you're
[39:54] sinning and you're disobedging
[40:05] people for not being murderers and
[40:07] rapists. That's norm. It's normal not to
[40:10] rape a woman.
[40:10] >> No, bro. So, like that that's like, you
[40:12] know, for example, I do I do this all
[40:14] the time. And there's a lot of times
[40:16] where I get into conversations where the
[40:18] person I'm talking to begins to insult
[40:20] me. And a lot of times, not all, not
[40:23] all, but a lot of times I don't insult
[40:26] back. Right?
[40:28] >> So, that is showing uh one self-control.
[40:33] Um it's showing a a better attitude and
[40:35] rapport that I have. And because I serve
[40:38] my God, I want to represent my God and
[40:40] how he teaches me how to treat people uh
[40:42] even those who revile me. So these are
[40:46] good these are good character traits
[40:48] that I display that I show. These are
[40:51] fruits that I'm bearing.
[40:52] >> Fruits of the spirit.
[40:54] >> Yeah. So it's it's not just a nothing.
[40:56] These are this is me bearing fruit.
[40:59] >> Like you insult me, I'm not going to
[41:00] insult you back. That's me bearing
[41:02] that's a fruit that I'm bearing. You
[41:03] know, it's not a nothing. Wouldn't you
[41:06] agree?
[41:08] >> I I mean I I really don't. I do see what
[41:10] you're saying in that you're saying that
[41:13] somebody who does not sin is better than
[41:16] somebody who sins, which is obviously
[41:19] true, right? Um so somebody who's not
[41:22] doing these bad things is better than
[41:26] somebody who does the bad things, right?
[41:29] That's very clear to me and I'm not
[41:31] arguing that at all. Right.
[41:33] >> Okay.
[41:33] >> Okay. But
[41:35] If you don't do any sin, okay, so let's
[41:38] go with you and say that if you simply
[41:40] don't sin, you're at zero. You're not
[41:43] negative, but you're not positive. If
[41:45] you're at zero, should you be destroyed?
[41:50] >> Yeah. I mean, zero is of no value.
[41:52] >> Oh, okay.
[41:54] >> Wait, you're saying yeah, you should be
[41:56] destroyed?
[41:56] >> Yeah, you said
[41:57] >> Yeah, if you haven't done anything.
[41:59] >> He's very consistent. I can't even be
[42:01] that.
[42:02] >> Wait, but hold on, man. Hold on. Hold
[42:04] on. You telling me, right? You're
[42:07] telling me I go to I do my five dailies.
[42:11] I I do the high
[42:13] >> Wait, you do your five daily prayers?
[42:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We call it for that.
[42:18] >> Huh? Huh?
[42:19] >> You get You get points for that.
[42:20] >> Oh, okay.
[42:21] >> Oh, cuz cuz that's me actively doing
[42:23] something.
[42:24] >> Yeah. You're actually Yeah. But it's
[42:26] what
[42:26] >> they have to take action in order to get
[42:29] like the positive, right?
[42:30] >> Would it be a sin if I didn't?
[42:33] If you if you didn't pray,
[42:35] >> yeah,
[42:35] >> you're you're you're you're going to
[42:36] fall into sin. Yeah, for sure.
[42:39] >> Not not if I'm going to fall into sin as
[42:40] a result of not praying, but is not
[42:43] praying an act of sin?
[42:46] >> Uh not praying in and of itself, like I
[42:49] I don't think that allahel is going to,
[42:52] you know, subtract points from you on
[42:54] the day like when our when our scales
[42:57] are being weighed, right? I don't think
[42:59] that Allahel is gonna give us bad deeds
[43:02] for not doing the good things. Right.
[43:04] So,
[43:05] >> so not doing the daily prayers that
[43:06] these because these are commanded to you
[43:08] for you. Yeah.
[43:09] >> You're commanded to do these daily
[43:11] prayers.
[43:12] >> Yeah. You're you're I mean you are
[43:13] commanded but that that command is for
[43:15] us that that not like
[43:20] he says
[43:25] so there is no goodness in a prayer that
[43:29] doesn't prevent you from uh committing
[43:32] sin and atrocity.
[43:34] >> So praying is is also zero zero point.
[43:36] So when we pray uh prayer is really for
[43:40] us in order to keep us on that straight
[43:42] path.
[43:44] >> Okay.
[43:44] >> But staying on the straight path, no
[43:46] points.
[43:46] >> Yeah. If you if I stay on the straight
[43:48] path, if I if I'm on the straight path
[43:50] and I'm staying on the straight path, no
[43:52] points.
[43:54] >> I mean, if you're just standing there
[43:55] and you're not actually walking on the
[43:57] path.
[43:58] >> Yeah. I'm walking on the path. I'm I'm
[44:00] doing my prayers. I'm giving the prayer.
[44:04] Doing the prayers gives you points.
[44:06] Right. So if I'm if I'm on the straight
[44:09] path, yeah,
[44:10] >> I'm doing everything that I'm told to
[44:12] do,
[44:12] >> then you are going to be rewarded with
[44:15] paradise. You are going to have a
[44:17] blissful eternal existence in the son of
[44:20] God.
[44:21] >> So watch this. I do I'm doing everything
[44:23] that Allah commands me to do and I never
[44:26] fail. I never sin.
[44:28] Should I be destroyed? If you're doing
[44:31] what allahel commands you to do, then
[44:33] you are going to, like I said, you're
[44:35] going to get good points for that,
[44:37] you're going to go to heaven. You're
[44:38] going to have a blissful eternal
[44:39] existence.
[44:40] >> Okay? So, when this says that if I do
[44:45] not commit sin,
[44:47] >> Allah's going to sweep me from
[44:48] existence. So, if I am on the straight
[44:51] path doing everything Allah tells me to
[44:53] do without fail,
[44:56] Allah's going to sweep me out of
[44:57] existence for staying on the straight
[44:59] path. because I didn't.
[45:01] >> So, so I think the assumption here is
[45:03] that
[45:05] we're not doing anything good. Like, so
[45:08] in order to not sin, you're basically
[45:11] not going to be doing anything. You're
[45:13] >> No, that's not true. You're you're going
[45:15] to be going against the commands of
[45:17] Allah.
[45:17] >> Did Jesus do anything?
[45:20] >> I I mean, Jesus did quite a bit. He's
[45:22] one of the most influential people that
[45:24] have ever existed. So,
[45:25] >> did he sin? Uh I I mean arguably, yeah,
[45:28] he he you could say that he sinned. It's
[45:31] not it's not really
[45:32] >> Could you say it
[45:34] as a Muslim?
[45:36] >> So the knowledge that we have about uh
[45:40] uh Jesus
[45:42] like I I don't really I don't think that
[45:44] the Jesus of the Bible is
[45:48] just to be clear.
[45:49] >> That's very true.
[45:50] >> Okay.
[45:51] I think Jesus in the Bible is
[45:54] something different than a prophet of
[45:57] God. Like the stories don't really line
[45:59] up. So I don't draw the same line. Like
[46:02] we believe that Isaam is the Messiah and
[46:06] a messenger of God and a prophet. I
[46:08] can't say the same about the biblical
[46:10] Jesus. Now, that might be because the
[46:14] story's kind of been uh distorted or
[46:16] it's not a faithful retelling, or it
[46:18] might be just somebody else. Uh like I
[46:22] >> Wait, wait. You're you're saying that
[46:23] Issa fits the criteria of being Messiah
[46:27] and prophet and messenger, but maybe not
[46:29] Jesus of the Bible. That's what you're
[46:30] saying.
[46:31] >> Well, yeah. Like I mean, somebody
[46:32] claiming to be God obviously is not to
[46:35] be a messenger of God.
[46:37] >> Okay. That that that's that's not true,
[46:39] but it's okay. Okay. Well,
[46:40] >> yeah, I was going to say, are we going
[46:42] to go there? Let's focus on whether or
[46:44] not he sinned Islamically, though.
[46:47] >> Yeah. I mean, we we simply don't know. I
[46:50] I don't believe that Isa
[46:54] ever committed any uh major sins. Uh
[46:57] now, the the retelling that we have,
[46:59] >> any sins at all, brother? Any any sins
[47:01] at all?
[47:02] >> Okay. So, just to be clear, are we
[47:03] talking about biblical Jesus or are we
[47:05] talking about
[47:06] >> Isa is bin Mariam. Isa Mariam. Has he
[47:09] ever committed any I mean, he was
[47:10] definitely net positive. Good good guy,
[47:13] great guy, one of the best.
[47:15] >> So, never sinned.
[47:18] >> Uh, I I wouldn't go that far. I think
[47:19] part of human nature is to uh sin. We
[47:23] say things in anger, you know. Uh, we we
[47:25] do that like it's part of being human is
[47:27] to make like So, you're saying free will
[47:32] >> entails that we're going to sin in a
[47:34] little bit.
[47:34] >> All right. So you're saying that so Issa
[47:36] even though it wasn't recorded you're
[47:38] saying by virtue of him being human he
[47:42] >> he sinned
[47:43] >> some some time in his life.
[47:45] >> Yeah. Like I can't point to a specific
[47:47] action that
[47:51] made and say this is a sin.
[47:53] >> But I I mean like for example uh there
[47:57] there's things that we have to do as
[47:59] people uh in order to like reach the
[48:02] highest levels that we can. Uh, and some
[48:04] of those things that it's it's not clear
[48:07] that Asa did them.
[48:08] >> All right. Just because that's not
[48:11] that's not getting we I we're going to
[48:14] move on pretty soon.
[48:15] >> I agree.
[48:15] >> So when you have the hadith that says by
[48:19] him in whose hand is my life,
[48:21] >> if you were not to commit sin,
[48:24] >> yeah,
[48:26] >> Allah would sweep you out of existence,
[48:27] replace you with people who would sin
[48:29] and ask forgiveness and he'll forgive
[48:31] them.
[48:32] >> Yeah. So Allah would prefer for you to
[48:34] sin rather than not to sin. Um to sin
[48:38] and need forgiveness rather than not to
[48:40] sin and be perfect.
[48:42] >> Yeah. And let me give you an example uh
[48:44] that'll maybe help elucidate.
[48:45] >> That's why that's why we don't believe
[48:47] Allah is God.
[48:48] >> Yeah.
[48:50] >> Fair enough. Uh I mean uh I I I just
[48:52] wanted to remark one thing about uh this
[48:55] hadith. um is ultimately when we deal
[48:58] with hadith and hadith sciences like we
[49:01] always have to have in the back of our
[49:02] mind that this is not uh like
[49:08] established theological
[49:10] uh foundation. It's like a tertiary
[49:13] supplemental uh ideology. Like all of
[49:17] the basics, the core beliefs that we
[49:19] have as Muslims uh are going to have to
[49:22] have uh Quranic basis. Uh with that
[49:25] being said, I do believe that this
[49:26] hadith is authentic. Uh I I'm just
[49:29] saying it's not sufficient for us to
[49:32] build ideology and belief on.
[49:35] >> Okay. Well, I appreciate the
[49:36] conversation, Barack.
[49:37] >> Thank you very much, Avery. I really
[49:39] appreciate it and I'm going to continue
[49:40] to follow you. Hopefully, we'll get a
[49:42] chance to uh speak again in the future.
[49:43] >> Yeah, we'll talk more. We got some more
[49:45] to talk about, man. For sure.
[49:46] >> Keep doing what you're doing, brother.
[49:47] May Allah guide us all.
[49:48] >> Thanks, man. Peace.
[49:53] Alberhan, you're up.
[49:55] >> Hey, can you hear me?
[49:57] >> Yes.
[49:58] >> Um, we spoke on Wednesday. I don't know
[50:00] if you remember where you asked me who
[50:02] my top and top three prophets are or
[50:05] where I put Jesus.
[50:06] >> Okay.
[50:07] >> Remember him?
[50:07] >> And we had like a one hour conversation.
[50:11] >> Mhm.
[50:11] >> And I want to touch upon what this guy
[50:14] just said before me because he said a
[50:16] lot of things that were not correct.
[50:18] >> Oh,
[50:20] >> yes. And I have evidence for it. So it's
[50:22] not like I'm just speaking opinion
[50:24] because he said that if you leave a sin
[50:27] you don't get a good deed which isn't
[50:29] true cuz if you look at hadith number 37
[50:31] of um so the four hadith of
[50:35] >> you find that um Allah says that for
[50:37] each um good deed you do it will be
[50:40] multiplied 10 times to 700 times to
[50:43] whatever Allah wants. That means that it
[50:45] could be multiplied infinitely.
[50:48] So if you do the good deed, you intend
[50:49] it but you don't do it, you still get
[50:51] one deed even though you didn't do it
[50:52] but just because you intended it. And if
[50:55] you do a sin and you intend the sin and
[50:58] you do it, you get one bad deed. And if
[51:00] you intend the sin but leave of the sin,
[51:03] then you get one good deed.
[51:05] >> Interesting.
[51:06] >> So I don't know from where he gets his
[51:09] stuff, but I that was wrong.
[51:12] >> Okay. Yeah, that that that's
[51:14] interesting, man. I I always thought
[51:16] that um you know if you if you obey
[51:19] Allah
[51:21] um and you don't sin at all like these
[51:24] are you resist sin you resist temptation
[51:26] like she brought up that those are
[51:29] counted as good deeds for you you know
[51:31] um of course even with the intention
[51:33] right so
[51:36] >> yeah it's definitely counted a sin
[51:37] because even just logically you you I
[51:40] don't know you have a drive to murder
[51:42] someone I don't know commit um
[51:44] fornication and you withhold it because
[51:46] of God,
[51:48] >> then how is God not going to, you know,
[51:50] reward us for that because he's merciful
[51:52] and whatever and whatnot.
[51:54] >> Yeah. Exactly.
[51:54] >> In light of that, then what are your
[51:56] thoughts on this hadith? Like how would
[51:58] you interpret?
[51:59] >> Yeah. The the reward is that we we get
[52:01] swept out of existence, right?
[52:03] >> That's the reward we get for.
[52:06] >> Okay, guys. And so the thing is this is
[52:09] the first thing you have to know this is
[52:10] a hypothetical. So this is not not
[52:12] something that's going to happen. If is
[52:14] very important if you guys agree.
[52:16] >> It's conditional.
[52:17] >> Exactly.
[52:18] >> Yes. Sometimes because it's also like
[52:21] that Muhammad said that if God had a
[52:24] son, he would be the first of
[52:25] worshippers. That doesn't it's just a
[52:27] clause. It doesn't mean that's just
[52:28] hypothetical. And now we have
[52:30] >> but it's true though, right? That like
[52:32] in the case that Allah had a son that he
[52:34] would Muhammad would be the first of his
[52:36] worshippers, right?
[52:38] >> That's the hypothe Yeah. If it's if if
[52:40] it were to happen but it doesn't happen
[52:42] and it would not
[52:44] >> the same page.
[52:44] >> Yeah. So the the hypothetical
[52:46] communicates a truth. It's not saying
[52:47] that this is like going to happen but
[52:51] it's if this then this you know so we we
[52:54] understand
[52:55] >> and because the main reason for um um
[53:00] the hadith is for us humans to kind of
[53:03] feel comfort because we sin. That is no
[53:07] let me let me get at it. Let me get at
[53:08] it.
[53:10] I don't know. I'm comforted.
[53:11] >> Yeah, I'm a little I'm a little I'm I'm
[53:14] afraid. Hey, Bhan. I'm afraid not to
[53:16] sin, man. No, no, no.
[53:18] >> I'm afraid to obey.
[53:20] >> If I don't explain it, of course, it's
[53:21] going to sound weird. But if you let me
[53:22] explain, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[53:24] You guys are going to get what I'm
[53:26] saying because we we're sinners. Every
[53:28] one of us. Every single one of us. We at
[53:30] least in Islam.
[53:32] >> So, we have that every child of Adam is
[53:33] a sinner. And now the best of sinners
[53:36] are those who repent. So now Allah is
[53:39] trying to like make us get comfortable
[53:41] with okay we don't have to be perfect
[53:43] because none of us could get that and
[53:44] there's some people out there that
[53:46] literally like you know they stress
[53:48] about oh I I made a sin again and I
[53:50] repented and then tomorrow I do it again
[53:52] and the you know just the cycle of it.
[53:54] So Allah is telling us with this thing
[53:56] that Allah created us exactly like how
[53:58] he wanted us.
[53:59] >> Yeah.
[54:00] >> He created us with inclination to sin.
[54:02] Would you guys also
[54:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I get you. So, it it's
[54:05] like um it could be comforting, but
[54:08] there's still there's still a huge
[54:10] issue. It's like this. If if if I said
[54:13] um to my wife um if you were not to
[54:17] cheat on me, then I would divorce you
[54:21] and get rid of you and kick you out the
[54:22] house.
[54:23] >> I don't like this analogy. and I'd
[54:25] replace you and I'd replace you with a
[54:27] woman who would cheat on me and then ask
[54:30] for my forgiveness and I'd forgive her
[54:31] and give her a house and take care of
[54:34] her, you know? So that's that's
[54:36] comforting to my wife that man if she
[54:39] does cheat, she's good, you know, right?
[54:42] That's comforting, but there's a problem
[54:43] there, isn't it?
[54:44] >> That would be me because I would never
[54:47] do that. So I'd be terrified you'd
[54:49] replace me.
[54:52] Now I think the analogy is a bit not
[54:54] like not the same because now this is we
[54:57] can it's impossible for us to be sinless
[55:00] if you you guys agree. But that's why
[55:03] >> see if I'm getting you right. We have
[55:05] sinners here. Sinners are on the bottom.
[55:07] >> Then we have people who sin but repent.
[55:10] They're they're above that. So we have
[55:12] sinners and then we have repenters.
[55:15] >> Yes.
[55:16] >> And then we have this is where we would
[55:18] put the people who don't sin. We'd put
[55:20] them up here at the top.
[55:22] Where would you put them in this
[55:24] scenario?
[55:26] >> Who who would where would I put who?
[55:28] >> The people who don't sin. This is the
[55:32] people that sin are on the bottom. The
[55:34] people that sin but repent are right
[55:36] here. If there are people that don't sin
[55:38] at all, where do they go?
[55:40] >> Just how just how you're showing it. H
[55:44] >> just the way you're showing it with your
[55:46] hands,
[55:46] >> right? So then why are these people
[55:48] getting punished?
[55:49] Who said they're getting punished?
[55:51] >> This hadith.
[55:52] >> No, it's just a hypothetical. It's not
[55:54] happening. That's I'm just That's my
[55:55] whole
[55:56] >> hypothetical scenario. They're getting
[55:58] swept out of existence.
[56:01] >> Okay. And how is that? But they're
[56:02] getting swept out, but nobody nobody
[56:05] >> punishment.
[56:07] >> How is that a punishment? Because swept
[56:10] >> swept out of existence is a is a
[56:11] blessing.
[56:13] >> What?
[56:14] >> Because look, that's like saying dying
[56:15] is a punishment. No, dying isn't being
[56:19] swept out of existence, brother.
[56:20] >> Swept out of existence.
[56:21] >> Wait, what? What do you think is going
[56:22] to happen when you get swept out of
[56:24] existence? You're going to die.
[56:24] >> If you swept out of existence, your soul
[56:27] no longer exists in any realm. You're
[56:30] gone.
[56:31] >> At least you're
[56:31] >> not in heaven or hell or nothing. You're
[56:33] gone.
[56:33] >> At least when I die, like I I I'm in
[56:35] heaven, hell, you know, somewhere. Swept
[56:38] out of exist. I I I don't exist anymore.
[56:41] I am erased.
[56:44] Now the thing is I said that analogy
[56:46] doesn't like really fit because that's
[56:48] like you saying to your wife I would I
[56:49] think this is a better analogy but
[56:53] if and if you were I don't know like for
[56:55] example you love her for her flaws for
[56:57] example now because it's not like you're
[57:00] telling her that you love it's not like
[57:01] okay you're saying no I don't want a
[57:03] perfect wife but you're just kind of
[57:05] like reassuring to her and making her
[57:07] like feel you know love whatever not
[57:08] that even though she has flaws which we
[57:11] all have you still love her and some
[57:13] People say, "Yeah, I even love you
[57:15] because of your own flaws." But you
[57:17] don't mean it literally. Now, this is
[57:18] now not a literal. This is more
[57:20] metaphorical
[57:22] metaphorical.
[57:23] So, this is just telling us that Allah
[57:26] created us this way, that we're not
[57:28] sinless, and that Allah is content with
[57:31] us being the way we are.
[57:33] >> I love that analogy. I think that was
[57:36] beautiful. It's the best analogy I've
[57:38] heard for this hadith.
[57:40] >> My My analogy wasn't good.
[57:41] >> No, his was so much better. Like
[57:43] >> that's crazy. That's crazy.
[57:44] >> I don't like your analogy at all, baby.
[57:46] But I love you. Um, our issue with this
[57:50] >> Yeah.
[57:51] >> is what happens if you are flawless?
[57:55] >> It's not going It's not going to happen.
[57:56] That's why it's a hypothetical.
[57:59] But the hypothetical result is our
[58:02] problem.
[58:02] >> Yeah. The hypothetical communicates a
[58:04] truth. It's not like he's not just
[58:07] talking out the side of his neck. He's
[58:08] it's communicating a truth. you know, if
[58:10] this then this. You know, so the if
[58:13] isn't the case yet or not the case right
[58:17] now, but if it were the case, this is
[58:19] what will be the reality.
[58:21] >> No, I think Allah, the thing is Allah is
[58:23] just trying to tell us that what he
[58:24] intended with the creation of the human
[58:26] beings and the jin that we believe.
[58:28] >> That would have been nice for him to
[58:29] say, but that's not what he says. He
[58:31] says he he makes it very clear if you
[58:34] were not to commit sin then he would
[58:37] sweep you out of existence and replace
[58:39] you with people who would sin ask
[58:41] forgiveness and he would forgive them.
[58:43] So Allah is clearly showing or Muhammad
[58:46] here because now but Muhammad here is
[58:48] clearly showing
[58:49] >> what Allah would prefer out of human
[58:54] beings. He would prefer human beings to
[58:56] sin rather than not to sin. Correct?
[59:01] sin and seek forgiveness.
[59:03] >> Right? So, he would rather them sin and
[59:06] seek forgiveness than not sin and not
[59:09] need forgiveness at all. Right?
[59:11] >> Because the thing is I think that if you
[59:13] think about it like
[59:16] um because if you sin and then you ask
[59:19] for forgiveness, you think that's a good
[59:21] thing, right?
[59:22] >> Yes.
[59:23] >> Absolutely. because you're in a
[59:25] vulnerable state and you acknowledge
[59:27] that you did something wrong and you
[59:29] truly internalize it and you don't want
[59:31] to go back to you intend at least that
[59:33] you intend not to go back to it and you
[59:35] ask for forgiveness and if someone else
[59:37] if you hurt someone else you try to give
[59:38] them even back their right
[59:40] >> now this sometimes a sin like that can
[59:43] even make you become better
[59:45] >> that because
[59:47] >> does it make you better if in that
[59:49] moment when you had that opportunity to
[59:51] sin instead of giving in. You resisted
[59:55] it and said, "You know what? I'm going
[59:57] to obey God. I'm not going to sin. I see
[01:00:00] this temptation in front of me. I'm not
[01:00:02] going to choose something that goes
[01:00:04] against God. I'm going to submit to
[01:00:05] him." Is that not even better? And does
[01:00:08] that not grow you even more in
[01:00:10] character?
[01:00:12] >> Yeah, that's definitely um also very
[01:00:14] good. I can't to be honest I can't tell
[01:00:18] >> I to be honest I just want to say and I
[01:00:20] can't really tell you guys now what's
[01:00:21] better because that's just individually
[01:00:23] to the situation
[01:00:24] >> come on you can tell us what's better if
[01:00:26] my husband were to punch me right now
[01:00:29] and then say I'm so sorry Christina I
[01:00:31] will never hit you again
[01:00:35] >> that would be well I wouldn't forgive it
[01:00:37] but that would be a thing
[01:00:39] >> why that is a thing
[01:00:41] >> because I don't like crazy You gave a
[01:00:44] great
[01:00:44] >> That that analogy sucks.
[01:00:46] >> Payback analogy.
[01:00:47] >> That analogy sucks.
[01:00:49] >> I'm not trying to do anything between
[01:00:50] you guys. Please use good analogies.
[01:00:55] >> I know we need to use good analogies
[01:00:56] like yours, but I'm just saying it would
[01:00:58] be better if he held back from hitting
[01:01:00] me at all. Right. You can say that that
[01:01:04] I could.
[01:01:05] >> If I fear disobedience, I would have a
[01:01:07] good reason. But um if we're if we're
[01:01:10] going with your analogy and everything
[01:01:12] you're talking about, Sure. I guess um I
[01:01:15] guess it makes sense. It would we you
[01:01:18] you would agree Bhan you would agree
[01:01:20] that
[01:01:22] um not sinning is better than sinning.
[01:01:27] Correct?
[01:01:28] >> Yes. Yes.
[01:01:29] >> Okay. So the person who does not sin is
[01:01:33] in a better position than the one who
[01:01:34] sinned and
[01:01:36] >> not with Allah
[01:01:37] >> then is going to right but then is going
[01:01:40] to but the common sense wise in reality
[01:01:43] >> we know that the one who does not sin is
[01:01:45] in a better position than the one who
[01:01:47] sin and then you know sees their wrong
[01:01:51] and ask for forgiveness. That's a good
[01:01:53] thing to do but it's better to not have
[01:01:55] sinned in the first place. Would you
[01:01:57] agree?
[01:01:59] Now, yeah, I would agree. But the thing
[01:02:00] is you guys have like I told you this is
[01:02:03] like to get us comfortable and to know
[01:02:04] that Allah created us in this way so we
[01:02:06] don't get like you know um demotivated
[01:02:08] by this because if Allah say um I don't
[01:02:11] know the opposite kind of like if you if
[01:02:15] you sin then Allah would sweep you off
[01:02:17] then everyone would you know be like
[01:02:18] okay I'm a sinner anyways and and I
[01:02:21] can't stop you it's impossible. So now
[01:02:22] I'll just do whatever I want because
[01:02:24] Allah will sweep me off anyway. You
[01:02:26] understand what I mean? I'm saying that
[01:02:27] this is not like you guys are really
[01:02:29] like focusing on the okay replace us but
[01:02:31] it's not about that. It's the whole
[01:02:32] picture that okay
[01:02:33] >> yes we're focusing on that.
[01:02:36] >> If this hadith only said by him in whose
[01:02:40] hand is my life um if you sinned um and
[01:02:44] seek forgiveness from Allah he would
[01:02:46] pardon you. If that's what the hadith
[01:02:48] said
[01:02:48] >> then call us.
[01:02:49] >> We love it. We like it. We love it. Our
[01:02:52] issue is what happens to those that
[01:02:54] fully submit to Allah. Every time my
[01:02:58] husband is on this stage, Muslims say
[01:03:01] that being a Muslim means full
[01:03:03] submission to Allah.
[01:03:04] >> Yes.
[01:03:05] >> You have in this example, full
[01:03:08] submission to Allah. No mistakes, no
[01:03:11] giving into temptation, just following
[01:03:14] the straight path step by step your
[01:03:16] entire life. No mistakes. And Allah does
[01:03:19] not reward that. He punishes that in
[01:03:22] this hypothetical scenario and that is a
[01:03:25] problem to us. The rest of it is fine.
[01:03:27] Allah, you know, forgiving sins and all
[01:03:29] of that is great. Our issue is with what
[01:03:32] happens to the ones who are good.
[01:03:38] >> So to be honest, like I don't think you
[01:03:43] guys are really like getting it. Like I
[01:03:44] think that because
[01:03:46] >> No, because the hypothetical is like
[01:03:48] because for example now um there's also
[01:03:50] hypothetical if God um if Allah had a
[01:03:52] son.
[01:03:53] >> Yes.
[01:03:54] >> Yeah.
[01:03:56] >> Now for us in in our paradigm this is
[01:03:58] something that is not befitting of God.
[01:04:00] Now we because we said
[01:04:04] like it's not befitting and the mountain
[01:04:07] crumble.
[01:04:07] >> Sure.
[01:04:08] >> But now if he's making the hypothetical
[01:04:09] and Muhammad saying that he's going to
[01:04:11] worship it. It's not saying that it's a
[01:04:13] bad or good thing. It's just about the
[01:04:15] you know the main point what's about
[01:04:17] what's supposed to show that if it were
[01:04:20] the truth I would do it if um if uh I
[01:04:23] don't know if we are sinless whatever
[01:04:25] that Allah just telling us no okay we
[01:04:26] are sinless that it's just kind of come
[01:04:28] through that we don't give up and we
[01:04:30] continue because Allah wanted us to
[01:04:31] create it this way exactly and
[01:04:35] repent
[01:04:36] >> listen yeah
[01:04:39] >> do we agree that hypotheticals
[01:04:41] communicate truths
[01:04:44] And what do you mean by that? Could you
[01:04:46] elaborate, please?
[01:04:48] >> If Allah had a son, I would be the first
[01:04:51] of his worshippers.
[01:04:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:04:54] I give you now. Yeah.
[01:04:55] >> Right. So, it's communicating a truth.
[01:04:57] Even though this is not the situation at
[01:05:00] hand, if it were, this would be the
[01:05:03] reality.
[01:05:04] >> I'd be his first of his worshippers.
[01:05:06] Right.
[01:05:07] >> Yeah.
[01:05:08] >> Um there's another one. Um, if Allah had
[01:05:11] willed to take a son, he could have from
[01:05:15] any of his creation. Right. Chapter
[01:05:18] 39:4.
[01:05:19] >> Yeah.
[01:05:19] >> This this is communicating a truth. We
[01:05:21] know he doesn't he didn't take a son,
[01:05:23] but if he wanted to, he could have,
[01:05:25] right?
[01:05:26] >> Yeah.
[01:05:27] >> That's what So you guys are kind of
[01:05:29] getting at that, okay, if we were
[01:05:31] sinless, Allah would replace us because
[01:05:33] that's the
[01:05:34] >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So that's the
[01:05:37] truth that Allah is communicating and
[01:05:38] that is the truth that we have an issue
[01:05:40] with.
[01:05:42] >> Okay. Yeah, I get it. I get enough.
[01:05:44] >> Yeah.
[01:05:45] >> Yeah. Okay. If you guys mean it like
[01:05:46] this, then to be honest, I don't have an
[01:05:48] answer because I'm not knowledgeable
[01:05:50] enough.
[01:05:51] >> I think you are, bro.
[01:05:52] >> I think you see an I mean,
[01:05:54] >> you got enough sense. You You got enough
[01:05:56] sense to know that to Let me Let me ask
[01:06:00] you this. Let me ask you this. See, I'm
[01:06:01] good with questions. It helps us get
[01:06:03] get, you know, get it all together.
[01:06:05] Um, would you agree that it is a bad
[01:06:09] thing? It's evil to desire someone to
[01:06:13] sin.
[01:06:17] >> Bro, why are you getting at that? I
[01:06:19] think you're trying to get me to say
[01:06:20] something that I don't want to say.
[01:06:22] >> All I only want you to I only want you
[01:06:24] to say the truth.
[01:06:25] >> Are you trying to tell me that Allah is
[01:06:26] designing us to sin?
[01:06:27] >> That's not what I'm saying. I didn't say
[01:06:29] that yet. Let me just ask wife, let me
[01:06:30] ask you. Would you agree that it's evil
[01:06:34] for someone to desire someone to sin?
[01:06:37] >> Yes.
[01:06:39] >> What about you? I agree with that. What
[01:06:42] about you, man?
[01:06:44] >> So, of course, it's going to not going
[01:06:46] to be good,
[01:06:47] >> right? It's evil. It's evil for someone
[01:06:51] to want someone to sin. Matter of fact,
[01:06:53] who does that even sound like to you?
[01:06:55] Who Who is the entity in both of our
[01:06:58] religions?
[01:06:58] >> God logic. I don't know. You're trying
[01:07:00] to What are you trying to do? You're
[01:07:01] trying to like the devil and then trying
[01:07:03] to get me to say something.
[01:07:04] >> See, see, not notice this. Notice how
[01:07:07] you tried to You tried to shove yourself
[01:07:09] off as not that knowledgeable. But
[01:07:12] before I can even lay out my line of
[01:07:15] questioning and my argument, you already
[01:07:17] know where this you see the pieces. You
[01:07:20] already fit them together. I didn't have
[01:07:21] to ask you it.
[01:07:22] >> Okay?
[01:07:23] >> You already know that it's Satan who
[01:07:24] wants us to sin. It's evil to desire
[01:07:27] someone to sin. Now when we look at this
[01:07:30] hadith when we're keeping that same
[01:07:31] logical consistency that same
[01:07:33] intellectual honesty we look at this
[01:07:36] hadith according to the hadith would
[01:07:39] does Allah want us to sin or not sin
[01:07:44] I already told you guys it's not that he
[01:07:45] wants us to sin or not um like the thing
[01:07:48] the point about this is just not
[01:07:49] acknowledging that we are sinless and
[01:07:51] that Allah intended it this way. Now,
[01:07:55] this is the main point of the hadith
[01:07:57] because it's not because hypotheticals
[01:08:01] are kind of unnecessary in that point
[01:08:02] because they're not going to happen
[01:08:03] anyways because if God tells
[01:08:05] >> if I were to say uh let's say let's add
[01:08:09] a I don't know a 17-year-old kid I don't
[01:08:11] know if I said if you graduate high
[01:08:14] schools with honors then I will buy you
[01:08:16] a car
[01:08:18] but if you don't graduate with honors
[01:08:21] then I'm not getting you anything.
[01:08:24] What by that? Because I just gave a
[01:08:26] hypothetical.
[01:08:27] >> Yeah.
[01:08:27] >> By that hypothetical, what did I
[01:08:29] communicate that I want?
[01:08:31] >> What do I prefer my son to graduate?
[01:08:34] >> Exactly. With honors, right?
[01:08:36] >> With honors. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:08:37] >> Okay. So, I I showed in this
[01:08:39] hypothetical. A preference.
[01:08:42] >> If you do this, then this. If not, then
[01:08:45] this. Which demonstrates I have a
[01:08:48] preference of what I want. Correct?
[01:08:51] >> Yeah, I get it.
[01:08:52] >> Okay. So when Allah said or when
[01:08:54] Muhammad says that if you if
[01:08:57] hypothetical if you were not to commit
[01:08:59] sin, Allah would sweep you out of
[01:09:01] existence and replace you with a people
[01:09:03] that would sin, seek forgiveness and
[01:09:06] he'll forgive them. What does he show
[01:09:08] you by the hypothetical that he wants?
[01:09:11] Now I now according to your lo to your
[01:09:13] logic, I I get it. But I think there's a
[01:09:15] deeper meaning to this which I haven't
[01:09:17] studied. That's why I'm saying I don't
[01:09:18] have enough knowledge. I'm not saying
[01:09:19] I'm not knowledgeable at all. But I
[01:09:21] think in this I think there's definitely
[01:09:23] a deeper answer because of course now
[01:09:26] the way you explained it. Okay. Now you
[01:09:28] could get to it. But I don't think
[01:09:29] that's the root meaning.
[01:09:31] >> Okay. So So
[01:09:33] I Yeah, I I won't beat you over the head
[01:09:36] with it as as long as you can see
[01:09:38] >> how the logic flows.
[01:09:40] >> Just do us this favor when you're
[01:09:41] looking into this because I feel like I
[01:09:43] I hear from you this leaning of okay,
[01:09:46] we're human. That's how Allah made us.
[01:09:48] He loves us the way that he made us. All
[01:09:50] of that. If you believe that in Islam
[01:09:53] you have free will, then that means you
[01:09:55] have the choice to choose the good and
[01:09:58] reject the evil.
[01:10:00] >> Yeah.
[01:10:01] >> So if you have this choice to choose
[01:10:03] good and reject evil and that's how
[01:10:05] Allah made you, then why would he sweep
[01:10:08] you from existence for choosing the good
[01:10:10] with your free will? So just when you're
[01:10:13] looking into this more, look into that
[01:10:16] because if you believe you have free
[01:10:17] will and you have the ability to make
[01:10:19] the choice, then why are you getting
[01:10:22] swept out of existence for making the
[01:10:23] right choice?
[01:10:25] >> I'll I'll look into it definitely and
[01:10:27] I'll I'll get back to you guys. Maybe
[01:10:30] logic depends on when you guys next.
[01:10:32] >> Monday, Wednesday, Friday, baby. You're
[01:10:34] welcome anytime, bro. I I was I was
[01:10:35] there on Friday again, but I think you
[01:10:37] had a discussion with with another
[01:10:40] person
[01:10:41] >> and you know it's a bit late at night
[01:10:42] because it's already like half one.
[01:10:45] >> Yes.
[01:10:45] >> 30.
[01:10:46] >> So that's why it's a bit hard but I'm
[01:10:48] I'm going try to come on.
[01:10:50] >> And do you guys have maybe any other
[01:10:52] things
[01:10:52] >> about Islam or
[01:10:55] >> um Muslim? We we we do we do but um we
[01:11:00] do have we have a bunch of guests so
[01:11:02] I'll save it for next time.
[01:11:05] >> Thanks for having me up here. Thanks for
[01:11:06] the respectful conversation.
[01:11:08] >> For sure.
[01:11:09] >> I hope you guys have a nice day.
[01:11:10] >> You too, man.
[01:11:13] >> Dang. Are you my good luck charm?
[01:11:15] >> So far so good. Don't jinx it, baby.
[01:11:17] >> I don't know, man. I When dad came on,
[01:11:20] every Muslim was respectful and cool.
[01:11:22] She's here. Every Muslim respectful and
[01:11:24] cool so far. So far so good. Um, hey, we
[01:11:28] got H we got HJJ in the house. What's
[01:11:32] up, dude?
[01:11:33] >> Hey, how are you doing?
[01:11:34] >> I'm good, man. How you how you been?
[01:11:37] >> Um,
[01:11:38] doubtful.
[01:11:40] >> Doubtful.
[01:11:41] >> I've been having I've been having
[01:11:42] issues.
[01:11:43] >> Sure. What's What's going on?
[01:11:47] Uh
[01:11:47] >> oh, lost you.
[01:11:50] >> Hello.
[01:11:51] >> There we go.
[01:11:52] >> Okay. Um,
[01:11:56] let's start with uh
[01:12:02] >> you're you're cutting out HJJ.
[01:12:06] >> Can you hear me?
[01:12:07] >> Yes.
[01:12:09] >> Uh, can you switch to my one my other
[01:12:11] account without the camera?
[01:12:13] >> Thank you.
[01:12:20] >> Hello. Can you hear me?
[01:12:21] >> All right. Yeah, I give you.
[01:12:23] >> Okay. Um, so you would agree that the
[01:12:27] Torah is law is unchanging, right? Or
[01:12:31] and Jesus, sorry.
[01:12:33] You would agree that Jesus changed the
[01:12:34] Torah as well, right? Or the covenant
[01:12:38] >> because you don't eat pork.
[01:12:39] >> Well, you don't eat pork. They Jews.
[01:12:42] >> So, we're we're we're in a we're in
[01:12:43] another covenant. We're in a new
[01:12:45] covenant. He didn't he didn't change the
[01:12:47] old. He fulfilled it and brought the
[01:12:48] brought in the new covenant.
[01:12:53] Are you uh
[01:12:54] >> are you aware of the verses that talk
[01:12:56] about a new covenant coming in the Old
[01:12:57] Testament?
[01:12:59] >> Um I'm aware of one that says it would
[01:13:01] be renewed but not changed.
[01:13:04] >> Yeah. So there's look, let me just show
[01:13:06] you real quick. This will be Jeremiah
[01:13:09] uh where's my Bible? There it is.
[01:13:13] >> Jeremiah
[01:13:15] 31.
[01:13:23] Let me share put the put on the big
[01:13:25] screen for us. All right. Can you see
[01:13:27] it?
[01:13:28] >> Yeah.
[01:13:28] >> All right. So, this is Jeremiah 31
[01:13:30] starting at verse 31. says, "Behold, the
[01:13:33] days are coming, declares the Lord, when
[01:13:36] I will make a new covenant with the
[01:13:38] house of Israel and the house of Judah,
[01:13:41] not like the covenant that I made with
[01:13:44] their fathers on the day when I took
[01:13:47] them by the hand to bring them out of
[01:13:48] the land of Egypt, my covenant that they
[01:13:51] broke, though I was their husband,
[01:13:53] declares the Lord. For this is the
[01:13:56] covenant that I will make with the house
[01:13:57] of Israel after those days, declares the
[01:14:00] Lord. I will put my law within them, and
[01:14:03] I will write it on their hearts, and I
[01:14:06] will be their God, and they shall be my
[01:14:07] people. So, this talks about a new
[01:14:10] covenant that's going to come that is
[01:14:12] unlike the old.
[01:14:16] So at 31 um I do want to point out to
[01:14:19] you uh the word new covenant
[01:14:21] specifically the word new uh in Hebrew
[01:14:24] it's chadash which would mean renewal
[01:14:26] like a renew like a a new moon.
[01:14:30] >> So do do you see there's a reason why
[01:14:32] it's new covenant or it there is a
[01:14:35] renewal of a covenant. It'll be the same
[01:14:37] thing because you see how he says not
[01:14:39] like the covenant that I made with their
[01:14:42] fathers on the day when I took them.
[01:14:44] Right? And so he shows that this renewed
[01:14:46] covenant or this new covenant is unlike
[01:14:49] the old covenant he made, right?
[01:14:54] >> Okay. Um,
[01:14:59] yeah,
[01:15:02] >> that's good Bible, right?
[01:15:04] in the would you uh show me where in the
[01:15:08] Torah or Old Testament it would show
[01:15:10] that the Messiah um
[01:15:13] would have a second coming of any kind
[01:15:15] because it appears to say that like he
[01:15:17] would bring the peace and everything. It
[01:15:19] doesn't seem to show that he would die
[01:15:21] and then bring the peace or anything. It
[01:15:22] shows it as a one timeline or lifeline.
[01:15:25] Well, you it's actually interesting
[01:15:28] because you don't have where um you
[01:15:32] don't have where the Bible
[01:15:36] I guess gives a time of when the Messiah
[01:15:39] does things except once. There's only
[01:15:42] one time where the scripture gives an an
[01:15:46] actual timeline of when the Messiah will
[01:15:49] come and that's in Daniel 9. And in
[01:15:52] Daniel 9, when you calculate it all, it
[01:15:55] adds up to the first uh the first
[01:15:56] century where the Messiah will come. And
[01:15:58] it says in Daniel 9 that he will put an
[01:16:02] end to sin
[01:16:04] and uh and transgression
[01:16:08] and and even prophecies, right? Meaning
[01:16:10] he's the seal of revelation.
[01:16:12] >> And he'll be cut off for the people.
[01:16:15] >> He'll be cut off from the for the
[01:16:17] people. And meaning that he dies. He's
[01:16:20] he he he he dies. And then it goes on to
[01:16:23] say right after he's cut off, it
[01:16:25] mentions the destruction of the city,
[01:16:28] the temple,
[01:16:30] which is exactly what happens after
[01:16:32] Jesus dies, he's cut off,
[01:16:36] 70 AD happens, the temple is destroyed,
[01:16:39] and the city is ransacked.
[01:16:41] Not in the Zutins.
[01:16:44] Um,
[01:16:48] along with that, do you have any
[01:16:49] prophecies that would show that Jesus or
[01:16:50] the Messiah would be God like in the Old
[01:16:53] Testament? That's something pretty major
[01:16:55] I would assume would be prophesia 96.
[01:16:58] >> Yeah, there's a there's a bunch, man.
[01:16:59] There's a bunch. You have a couple.
[01:17:00] >> What's your clearest one of that?
[01:17:02] >> The clearest one would be Isaiah 96 and
[01:17:04] 7. Um, where it talks about the son to
[01:17:07] be born to us. Let me show you. Have you
[01:17:10] read this one before?
[01:17:11] >> Not quite. I haven't read Isaiah.
[01:17:13] >> Oh, really? Oh, shoot.
[01:17:15] >> Read it. Is so good.
[01:17:16] >> I got a couple for you.
[01:17:17] >> It's my favorite book of the Bible.
[01:17:20] >> Isaiah 14. Is it really?
[01:17:22] >> Yeah.
[01:17:24] >> Fifth Gospel.
[01:17:25] >> It is the fifth gospel. It's known as
[01:17:27] the fifth gospel. That's a good Bible.
[01:17:30] Uh let's do 96-7.
[01:17:34] And we'll cap this off with with Luke.
[01:17:37] Oh,
[01:17:39] >> you see see see.
[01:17:42] Always trying to think, you know,
[01:17:43] things. See?
[01:17:45] >> Yeah. Luke, what what chapter in Luke am
[01:17:48] I going?
[01:17:48] >> I don't know
[01:17:49] >> exactly.
[01:17:51] Luke 1
[01:17:53] 31-33.
[01:17:54] You know,
[01:17:55] >> I would be funny if I knew that you were
[01:17:56] going there.
[01:17:57] >> Yeah, I would have been upset, but you
[01:18:00] know, I got that W just now. All right,
[01:18:02] so let me share the screen.
[01:18:06] So this is Isaiah. We're going to use
[01:18:07] two references in Isaiah. Now watch
[01:18:09] this. This is Isaiah 7:14.
[01:18:12] It says, "Therefore, the Lord himself
[01:18:14] will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin
[01:18:17] shall conceive and bear a son and shall
[01:18:21] call his name Emmanuel."
[01:18:23] >> Do you know what Emanuel means?
[01:18:26] >> No.
[01:18:28] >> Emmanuel means God is with us.
[01:18:33] So the virgin child born is being
[01:18:37] identified as God with us.
[01:18:42] Pretty pretty cool.
[01:18:45] Then you go on Isaiah 9:6-7. It says
[01:18:48] this, "For to us a child is born, to us
[01:18:52] a son is given, and the government shall
[01:18:54] be upon his shoulder, and his name shall
[01:18:57] be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty
[01:19:01] God, Everlasting Father, Prince of
[01:19:04] Peace,
[01:19:06] of the increase of his government, and
[01:19:08] peace there will be no end." on the
[01:19:11] throne of David and over his kingdom to
[01:19:14] establish it and to habode it with
[01:19:16] justice and with righteousness from this
[01:19:18] time forth and forever more the zeal of
[01:19:21] the excuse me the zeal of the Lord of
[01:19:23] hosts will do this so we see in Isaiah
[01:19:26] 9:6 the son to be born the government
[01:19:29] will be upon his shoulder he's
[01:19:31] identified as the mighty God these are
[01:19:33] descriptions of him he's the mighty God
[01:19:35] wonderful counselor father of eternity
[01:19:36] or everlasting father which means he's
[01:19:38] the source of eternal life prince of
[01:19:41] peace, right? He rules on the throne of
[01:19:44] David. Of his kingdom there will be no
[01:19:45] end, right? He rules forever, never to
[01:19:49] end, forever more. It emphasizes it with
[01:19:51] justice and righteousness
[01:19:53] to rule on the throne of David. That is
[01:19:55] the sign of the Messiah. So you always
[01:19:57] see the Messiah is always going to rule
[01:20:00] on the throne of David. A descendant of
[01:20:01] David is going to take his throne, rule,
[01:20:02] and establish it forever. Right? And
[01:20:06] then just to show where the Bible
[01:20:08] references this, this is one of many
[01:20:09] places.
[01:20:11] Uh we got Luke 1 31-33. It says, "And
[01:20:15] behold, talk," this is the angel talking
[01:20:16] to Mary. "Behold, you will conceive in
[01:20:19] your womb and bear a son, and you shall
[01:20:22] call his name Jesus. He will be great
[01:20:25] and will be called the son of the most
[01:20:27] high. And the Lord God will give to him
[01:20:30] the throne of his father David. and he
[01:20:33] will reign over the house of Jacob
[01:20:36] forever and of his kingdom there will be
[01:20:39] no end.
[01:20:42] >> So Jesus fulfills exactly what Isaiah
[01:20:46] foretells
[01:20:48] about this son being born of a virgin,
[01:20:50] God with us who is going to rule under
[01:20:53] the throne of David forever with
[01:20:54] righteousness and justice.
[01:20:58] It's a good Bible, right?
[01:20:59] >> Yeah. I don't think I've seen a prophecy
[01:21:00] that clear in a long time.
[01:21:03] Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good.
[01:21:05] >> Usually it seems like it's bending
[01:21:06] things a little bit, but that's that has
[01:21:08] names in it. So,
[01:21:09] >> yeah. Yeah, it's it's right there. I
[01:21:11] mean, if we the the Hebrew says it, too.
[01:21:12] The Hebrew here of mighty God. It's El
[01:21:15] Gibbor, the mighty God. Here's another
[01:21:17] interesting point, too, with this.
[01:21:18] Actually, let me let's do this really
[01:21:20] quick. Let's go to in the very next
[01:21:22] chapter of Isaiah, chapter 10. This was
[01:21:25] Isaiah 9. We're going to go to chapter
[01:21:26] 10. We'll do verse uh 20 and 21. 21.
[01:21:32] Uhuh.
[01:21:35] >> All right. So, right in the next
[01:21:37] chapter, this is going to be interesting
[01:21:38] because, well, actually, let me um let
[01:21:41] me get my LSB. That's what I like. I
[01:21:42] like that LSB, that legacy standard
[01:21:44] Bible because it got God's name. Make it
[01:21:47] clear. All right.
[01:21:51] All right. All right. All right. All
[01:21:52] right. Okay. So, Isaiah 10:es 20 and 21.
[01:21:56] Watch this. It says, "Now it will be in
[01:21:59] that day that the remnant of Israel and
[01:22:02] those of the house of Jacob who have
[01:22:05] escaped will never again rely on the one
[01:22:09] who struck them, but will truly rely on
[01:22:13] Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel.
[01:22:17] A remnant will return, the remnant of
[01:22:20] Jacob, to the mighty God."
[01:22:24] >> Who Who did it just say the mighty God
[01:22:25] is here?
[01:22:27] It's Yahweh. Correct.
[01:22:29] >> Yeah.
[01:22:30] >> Well, in in the previous chapter, it
[01:22:32] just told us that the mighty God is that
[01:22:34] son to be born.
[01:22:37] >> Right. That father of eternity, the
[01:22:38] wonderful counselor, the prince of peace
[01:22:40] who's going to rule in the throne of
[01:22:41] David. This is the Messiah who's also
[01:22:45] Yahweh who Israel is going to return to.
[01:22:50] So,
[01:22:50] >> so with this being so clear, why would
[01:22:52] why would you say the Jews would reject
[01:22:54] these kind of
[01:22:56] because they disbelieve. Man, hard and
[01:22:58] hearts that that's like you you know you
[01:23:00] you have u you have uh you know the
[01:23:03] story of the Exodus
[01:23:06] >> and how God very clearly and blatantly
[01:23:10] showed his power, showed signs and
[01:23:12] wonders, right? When they he split the
[01:23:15] sea, had them cross the sea, they was
[01:23:19] hungry. Gave them food from heaven. Food
[01:23:23] from heaven. They was walking in the
[01:23:25] wilderness. Their their shoes never wore
[01:23:27] out. Clothes never got holes in them. He
[01:23:30] says
[01:23:30] >> food coming down from heaven.
[01:23:32] >> Incredible. So, and still, even still,
[01:23:36] bro, they found a way to disbelieve.
[01:23:39] They grumbled against God and against
[01:23:41] Moses. Complained, said, "He brought us
[01:23:45] out here to die. We should we should
[01:23:47] never have left Egypt."
[01:23:49] >> Made a golden calf.
[01:23:51] So the Bible is very clear that Israel
[01:23:56] is a people of stubb a stubborn mind and
[01:23:59] hard hearts. Blind blind is the servant
[01:24:02] of Yahweh. The Bible says,
[01:24:07] >> you know,
[01:24:07] >> one thing I did with that too is uh as
[01:24:10] long as I wanted to like reassure myself
[01:24:13] that that's what you say it is basically
[01:24:15] using give Yep. Give me what you got,
[01:24:18] man. Let's go through it.
[01:24:20] Um, basically it's that whenever it says
[01:24:23] that confirms the inje
[01:24:25] with us. Um,
[01:24:27] >> it's that it's a general confirmation.
[01:24:29] So, it wouldn't be useful, but that's
[01:24:31] >> right. So, so it confirms part of it but
[01:24:34] not all of it.
[01:24:35] >> All right. That's been pretty clear to
[01:24:37] me.
[01:24:38] >> Right. Okay. So, wait, you're saying
[01:24:41] that it's clear to you that it confirms
[01:24:43] some of it, not all of it?
[01:24:44] >> Correct.
[01:24:45] >> Okay. All right.
[01:24:47] >> Where are you taking them? 285. Yep.
[01:24:52] The Quran gives a very clear
[01:24:55] clear
[01:24:57] uh principle when it comes to this idea
[01:25:00] of believing in some and rejecting other
[01:25:02] parts. Okay? And there's no way out of
[01:25:06] this. Uh let's see, let me get an easier
[01:25:08] translation here.
[01:25:10] Sahi, let's do Sai International.
[01:25:12] Hopefully they don't
[01:25:14] Yeah, there we go. There we go.
[01:25:18] This is chapter 2 verse 85 H.
[01:25:22] Whoops, wrong tab. There we go. Chapter
[01:25:25] 2 verse 85.
[01:25:28] It says, "Then you are those
[01:25:31] unaliving one another and evicting a
[01:25:34] party of your people from their homes,
[01:25:36] cooperating against them in sin and
[01:25:38] aggression, and if they come to you as
[01:25:41] captives, you ransom them." Now, this is
[01:25:43] talking directly to the Jews in the
[01:25:44] immediate context um of Muhammad's time.
[01:25:48] And if they come to you as captives, you
[01:25:50] ransom them, although their eviction was
[01:25:52] forbidden to you. Here's the important
[01:25:55] part. So, do you believe in part of the
[01:25:59] scripture and disbelieve in part?
[01:26:03] Then what is the recompense for those
[01:26:06] who do so among you? Except what,
[01:26:09] sweetheart?
[01:26:10] >> Disgrace. disgrace in this worldly life
[01:26:14] >> and on the day of resurrection they will
[01:26:17] be sent back to the severest of
[01:26:20] punishment and Allah is not unaware of
[01:26:23] what you do.
[01:26:25] >> So according to Allah according to the
[01:26:27] verse does is Allah okay with people who
[01:26:31] generally believe in his scriptures
[01:26:34] believing in some part of his scripture
[01:26:36] and rejecting other parts is is he okay
[01:26:37] with that?
[01:26:39] >> No. Um,
[01:26:40] >> it's pretty scary punishment for doing
[01:26:42] that.
[01:26:43] >> I would say though that
[01:26:48] um,
[01:26:52] wouldn't the scripture be the Quran?
[01:26:55] >> Nope.
[01:26:56] >> No.
[01:26:56] >> Didn't Allah reveal the Torah, the
[01:26:58] injur?
[01:27:00] >> To be to be clear, the immediate context
[01:27:03] of this, like I said, brother, is the
[01:27:04] Jews. the Jews in Muhammad's time, they
[01:27:07] were acting unjustly towards their
[01:27:08] brethren.
[01:27:10] >> And so the Quran is reprimanding them
[01:27:13] for uh going with some uh scripture in
[01:27:17] the Torah that seems to suit them while
[01:27:20] it rejecting the other parts of the
[01:27:22] Torah that don't suit them, that speak
[01:27:24] against their actions. So he lays this
[01:27:27] principle. Do you believe in part of the
[01:27:30] scripture and reject and disbelieve in
[01:27:33] part? Meaning they have to believe in
[01:27:36] all of the Torah. You have to believe in
[01:27:39] all of the Torah, all of the Gospel, all
[01:27:42] of the Quran. You cannot pick and choose
[01:27:44] what you believe of Allah's scripture.
[01:27:46] Now notice because he doesn't just limit
[01:27:48] it to just Torah. He says, "Do you
[01:27:49] believe in part of the scripture?"
[01:27:51] Right? Do you believe in part of the
[01:27:54] scripture and disbelieve in part? Allah
[01:27:56] does not like people who do that.
[01:28:00] Right? What is the recompense? The
[01:28:03] punishment for those who do that among
[01:28:07] you. Those who those of you who are
[01:28:09] generally believing in the scripture,
[01:28:12] the punishment is you're disgraced in
[01:28:15] this worldly life and you'll have the
[01:28:17] severest of punishment in the hereafter
[01:28:19] on the day of resurrection. I.e. you're
[01:28:22] going to go to hell if you are
[01:28:24] >> the worst part of hell.
[01:28:25] >> The worst part of hell. The severest
[01:28:27] part of hell
[01:28:28] >> like murderers and all kinds of stuff.
[01:28:32] You're not even You're going to
[01:28:33] somewhere worse than where they're
[01:28:34] going.
[01:28:37] >> So,
[01:28:37] >> it's intense.
[01:28:38] >> Does that make sense?
[01:28:40] >> I would say so.
[01:28:41] >> Yep.
[01:28:42] >> Yeah. All feels very strongly about
[01:28:44] cherry-picking.
[01:28:45] >> Yeah. He hates he hates the cherry
[01:28:47] pickers.
[01:28:47] >> He hates it a lot.
[01:28:48] >> He hates the cherry pickers. Um and I
[01:28:50] don't blame him. I don't blame Allah for
[01:28:52] Look, man. It's either you going to
[01:28:54] believe in my word or not, man. Don't do
[01:28:55] all this general this and some this,
[01:28:58] some that. Don't do that, man. It's
[01:28:59] either you believe in all my stuff or
[01:29:00] none of it. you know, so um these da
[01:29:05] guys that's propagating this idea of
[01:29:08] general confirmation,
[01:29:10] believing in some of it and rejecting
[01:29:12] other parts and whatever aligns with the
[01:29:13] Quran, that's the parts that's
[01:29:15] confirmed, what disagrees with the
[01:29:16] Quran. Oh yeah, that's the part that's
[01:29:17] not that's absolute silliness and that
[01:29:20] goes against what the Quran blatantly
[01:29:22] says.
[01:29:36] All good.
[01:29:36] >> All good. Yeah.
[01:29:38] >> All right. Uh if if there's anything
[01:29:41] else, you know, you can come up and join
[01:29:43] and I'll uh I'll try my best to answer
[01:29:45] you. Okay.
[01:29:46] >> All right. I appreciate it. Thank you,
[01:29:47] man.
[01:29:47] >> God bless you, bro.
[01:29:48] >> God bless you.
[01:29:51] >> Yeah. We're here, man. We're here for
[01:29:53] for our brothers who have just joined
[01:29:55] the faith and all this kind of like
[01:29:58] you're we're here. Come up. Come on up.
[01:30:01] Ask these clarifying questions, these
[01:30:03] challenges. No problem. You know what
[01:30:05] I'm saying? We ain't gonna shun you like
[01:30:07] the others. The the other side will shun
[01:30:09] you.
[01:30:11] >> Someone called us Mr. and Mrs. Lady
[01:30:13] Logic.
[01:30:16] >> That's cold.
[01:30:19] That is cold.
[01:30:20] >> No, change our name to that.
[01:30:23] >> That's crazy.
[01:30:24] Insanity. All right, let's uh let's get
[01:30:26] us some super chats. Okay. Do you want
[01:30:29] to do all that laughing? You gonna do
[01:30:30] all this reading?
[01:30:32] >> Yeah.
[01:30:32] >> I can't I can't see.
[01:30:33] >> You can't see. You can't see. It's all
[01:30:35] right. Look. Look. It's all It's all
[01:30:37] good. There you go.
[01:30:39] >> Oh, you put on this side so I can read
[01:30:40] it.
[01:30:41] >> Yeah. Read that.
[01:30:42] >> Okay. From mission 433-
[01:30:46] S3.
[01:30:47] >> Oh my gosh. What a rookie. You do not
[01:30:48] have to read their name. I don't have to
[01:30:49] say their name.
[01:30:50] >> No, you don't. You can if you want. Or
[01:30:52] just say mission. You don't have to say
[01:30:53] mission 443-
[01:30:56] S3B. And if I paraphrase
[01:30:58] >> $1.99
[01:30:59] >> if I paraphrase it, that means that
[01:31:01] there's a variant text.
[01:31:02] >> No, you can just genuinely confirm the
[01:31:04] name. All right.
[01:31:06] >> Anyway, he says Islam or says Islam will
[01:31:09] be under 1 million people by 2100. Hey,
[01:31:13] and Sha Yeshua.
[01:31:14] >> That's crazy. We got people saying drop
[01:31:16] logic. This is THIS
[01:31:18] >> NOT WHEN YOU READ THOSE.
[01:31:19] >> What is happening? Well, that ain't a
[01:31:21] super chat. So, yeah.
[01:31:22] >> It don't have to be a super chat.
[01:31:24] >> No, man. You know, you know who I am.
[01:31:25] I'm the unleted grifter, man. All right,
[01:31:28] go ahead.
[01:31:29] >> All right. Uh, from you didn't put it on
[01:31:31] this side.
[01:31:32] >> Can you read it, though?
[01:31:33] >> Okay. From the H29197.
[01:31:37] Where is Hades Scholar though? Anyone
[01:31:39] know?
[01:31:41] >> We don't know. We might We might We
[01:31:43] might see him. We might see him. I don't
[01:31:44] know. We might see him soon.
[01:31:47] Go ahead.
[01:31:49] >> From Scott. Hey, Logic. I've heard you
[01:31:51] say the Trinity is salvation issue. What
[01:31:54] about the thief on the cross? I'm
[01:31:57] trinitarian like yourself, but just
[01:31:59] wondering.
[01:31:59] >> Yeah. So, so what I when I say that the
[01:32:02] trin the trinity is a saliv is a
[01:32:04] salvific issue, meaning
[01:32:06] salvific issue.
[01:32:08] >> What I'm saying is is that you cannot
[01:32:11] deny who God is and be saved, be of the
[01:32:16] Holy Spirit. You cannot do that. That
[01:32:17] does not work. Um, now if you don't
[01:32:21] understand the Trinity, right? You
[01:32:23] accept what the scripture says, but you
[01:32:25] just don't understand the Trinity,
[01:32:27] you're not in denial, you're not
[01:32:29] rejecting the what the Bible teaches,
[01:32:31] but you're just not in full
[01:32:33] understanding. That's perfectly fine.
[01:32:35] You know what I'm saying? So the thief
[01:32:37] on the cross doesn't have to get a whole
[01:32:38] breakdown of uh of the the the trinity
[01:32:42] because there notice he puts his trust
[01:32:46] and his salvation
[01:32:47] >> in Jesus as his lord the one who can
[01:32:51] decide who go take who if he goes to
[01:32:53] heaven and hell
[01:32:54] >> so he's acknowledging the deity of
[01:32:56] Christ there you cannot reject the deity
[01:32:59] of Christ you cannot reject the father
[01:33:02] and the the uh the the uh the unity in
[01:33:04] their essence
[01:33:05] um the distinction their personal. You
[01:33:07] can't reject that and think that you're
[01:33:10] saved and be a Christian. Absolutely
[01:33:12] not.
[01:33:14] Now, if you disagree, that's fine. It's
[01:33:16] cool. But Jesus says, "Unless you
[01:33:18] believe I am he, you will die in your
[01:33:19] sins."
[01:33:22] >> Sweetheart,
[01:33:23] >> uh JS Austin, God bless you both
[01:33:27] watching from NC. God bless you too.
[01:33:32] >> From Colton. from Colton Avery. Get that
[01:33:35] chef hat. And hello, Lady Logic. Hello.
[01:33:38] >> Yeah, I I haven't put it on in a little
[01:33:40] bit.
[01:33:41] >> You know what? You haven't.
[01:33:43] Okay. From Check 702. Do you have the
[01:33:46] date yet for your Vegas conference? Last
[01:33:49] stream. You said in September. Can't
[01:33:50] wait to attend
[01:33:52] >> God Bless You and Lady Logic. Why you
[01:33:54] try to rush past the God Bless You and
[01:33:55] Lady Logic.
[01:33:56] >> The 19th, guys.
[01:33:58] >> September 19th.
[01:33:59] >> September 19th in Vegas here. Now, when
[01:34:01] tickets will go on sale, we'll announce
[01:34:03] it. But yeah,
[01:34:05] >> from Matthew.
[01:34:07] >> Grace and peace, Avery. The Knicks are
[01:34:09] world champs. All we need is the
[01:34:12] apologetic Avengers to storm the city.
[01:34:15] You doing NYC this summer?
[01:34:17] >> I think so. I think so. More. May maybe
[01:34:20] lean towards the fall probably more so.
[01:34:22] But yes, that's the we New York City. We
[01:34:25] We coming, man. We coming.
[01:34:27] Um,
[01:34:29] >> I I love this one from Aisha saying,
[01:34:32] "Wow, it said for cat treats."
[01:34:37] >> Prisoner says, "Sup, Mama Logic." This
[01:34:40] isn't Mama Logic. This is Lady Logic.
[01:34:42] Mama Logic ain't here.
[01:34:44] Good to see you out in the field with
[01:34:46] Avery.
[01:34:48] Nsh.
[01:34:49] >> Maybe they're saying that pathetically.
[01:34:52] >> Okay.
[01:34:53] Skyscraper. Skyscraper says, "Are you
[01:34:56] guys following the World Cup?" No, but
[01:34:58] >> to be honest, no. But we did watch
[01:35:00] yesterday.
[01:35:02] >> That was yesterday.
[01:35:02] >> Was that yesterday or the day before
[01:35:04] yesterday? Saturday. When we were
[01:35:05] watching the Knicks, we did watch
[01:35:07] Australia and
[01:35:09] >> some other team.
[01:35:10] >> I don't know who the other team was. And
[01:35:12] yeah, it was interesting.
[01:35:14] >> Was it?
[01:35:16] >> It was tough.
[01:35:18] >> It's the the the low scoring and the
[01:35:21] ability to tie. I just want y'all to
[01:35:23] know that whenever Lady Logic says it
[01:35:25] was interesting,
[01:35:27] it's that's not always a good thing. All
[01:35:28] right,
[01:35:30] I'll just let y'all know.
[01:35:31] >> That's my comfort phrase.
[01:35:32] >> Yeah, but clearly keep your Muslim hands
[01:35:35] off our Avery. Yeah, that's right. That
[01:35:39] the true speaking like that, he might be
[01:35:42] he might be not human, not even a bot.
[01:35:46] Shoot. God bless you both. Thank you.
[01:35:48] Thank you.
[01:35:49] >> God bless you, too. Muslim aliens before
[01:35:51] GTA 6 is wild.
[01:35:53] >> Hey, them aliens are full submitters.
[01:35:56] That's all that matters. One guy.
[01:35:58] >> Can't wait for Cat Logic next. God bless
[01:36:01] y'all. Never happen.
[01:36:02] >> Cat Logic will be on the stream cooking
[01:36:03] soon.
[01:36:03] >> Never happening. Never happening. Will
[01:36:06] the aliens have to believe in the Quran
[01:36:08] and Muhammad as their prophet? Yes.
[01:36:10] >> Yes. Because this is after the time of
[01:36:12] the prophet. So
[01:36:14] >> they are going to do da'a in the alien
[01:36:17] to the aliens now too. That's what
[01:36:18] matters. their success.
[01:36:20] >> Alien Alien lives matter, man. Alien guy
[01:36:24] was nice, though, and so was the next
[01:36:25] guy who's on. Yeah.
[01:36:26] >> Yeah. Absolutely. Cool guy.
[01:36:29] >> Would you agree that Muslims have a
[01:36:31] generational hatred against Christians
[01:36:32] and Jews for pointing out their prophet
[01:36:35] to be false and for obvious reasons?
[01:36:37] Yes. The hatred started with with
[01:36:40] Muhammad.
[01:36:40] >> Yeah.
[01:36:41] >> So, and continued on. Uh, Mecca did not
[01:36:45] exist historically until the rise of
[01:36:46] Islam. If you search all history,
[01:36:48] Persian, Babylonian, etc., Mecca was
[01:36:51] invented to support Islam.
[01:36:55] So, good to see you cooking together.
[01:36:57] Love you, Lady Logic. But dogs rule.
[01:37:00] That's right.
[01:37:01] >> Love you, too. And I do love dogs as
[01:37:03] well. I'm a I'm a I'm a general animal
[01:37:06] lover. I generally confirm that all
[01:37:09] animals are wonderful.
[01:37:11] >> Now, you have a non-Bible source
[01:37:13] disproving Islam. Man,
[01:37:16] God Logic, where did where did you meet
[01:37:18] this smart woman? Well, the sun was
[01:37:22] shining.
[01:37:23] >> Wow.
[01:37:24] >> And there wasn't a cloud in the sky.
[01:37:27] And I was doing what I do best. I was
[01:37:29] reading and I was cooking. And lo and
[01:37:32] behold, I was on this app called
[01:37:34] Clubhouse. And I saw this very, very
[01:37:38] beautiful profile picture stumbling in
[01:37:41] these rooms that I was frequencing.
[01:37:44] I didn't decide to say anything yet. I
[01:37:46] said, "Let me just see, man. I don't
[01:37:48] want to be on that type of type of type
[01:37:49] of stuff, man. Type of stuff." And I'll
[01:37:52] leave it here. If you want to get the
[01:37:54] full story, then go on Just Two Girls
[01:37:57] podcast.
[01:37:57] >> Yes.
[01:37:58] >> Because we definitely gave How We Met.
[01:38:01] She gave her rendition of the story. I
[01:38:03] gave the truth. And you'll get that
[01:38:05] full. Go to that podcast. You guys would
[01:38:08] absolutely love it. The Just Two Girls
[01:38:10] podcast.
[01:38:12] >> Shout out to Kalia.
[01:38:13] my sisters.
[01:38:15] >> That's right. That's right. And you'll
[01:38:16] get our full story of how we met. All
[01:38:19] right.
[01:38:20] Lord Jesus, bless this ministry. Bless
[01:38:23] this marriage. Amen.
[01:38:25] >> Amen.
[01:38:26] >> Prophet Muhammad Al alwa. I don't I
[01:38:30] can't say that. Lied. Okay.
[01:38:34] Does anyone notice the more Muslims are
[01:38:36] losing the argument, they keep adding
[01:38:38] more names to the end of
[01:38:44] Oh man.
[01:38:47] Just wit says, "Hey, what's going on?"
[01:38:49] She says, "I'm behind on the lives, but
[01:38:51] it's nice seeing y'all cook together. I
[01:38:53] can't I can't stay for the full live, so
[01:38:56] I'll catch y'all on the replay." God
[01:38:57] bless.
[01:38:58] >> God bless you.
[01:38:58] >> God bless you, sis.
[01:39:00] >> Question for Bor or for Barad. Why stop
[01:39:03] si Why stop sinning all at all then?
[01:39:06] Just do two good deeds for every one bad
[01:39:09] deed and you're good,
[01:39:10] >> man. Yeah,
[01:39:11] >> it's tough.
[01:39:15] >> Gokuo says, "So if sin is disobeying
[01:39:20] Allah, but Muslims believe Allah wills
[01:39:22] everything and he wants people to sin.
[01:39:25] So not sinning would be a sin." But the
[01:39:28] trinity is ill is is illogical.
[01:39:31] >> Man, that's what we're saying. And not
[01:39:32] sinning is a sin. Not sinning means
[01:39:35] you're swept from existence.
[01:39:40] >> So, let me see if I get this. God has a
[01:39:43] scoreboard, but if you make a touchdown,
[01:39:46] it doesn't count.
[01:39:49] I want to be LT
[01:39:52] like for the red book. No, for real.
[01:39:55] Yeah, it was halfway out, but
[01:39:59] I don't think we got like that clear
[01:40:00] sentence that you you need to be able to
[01:40:02] put it in the book.
[01:40:04] >> I I retracted bringing the red book out
[01:40:06] on the pre on on one of the guests
[01:40:08] because what he said followed like he
[01:40:11] like you said he was being consistent.
[01:40:12] >> It was like I saw you reaching for it
[01:40:14] and then you're like yeah but he was
[01:40:16] very consistent.
[01:40:17] >> Yeah. The belief in aliens is
[01:40:19] anti-biblical. Aliens are demons. M
[01:40:23] >> how would salvation work with another
[01:40:25] intelligent free will flesh creature?
[01:40:27] Did Jesus die for them too? This is
[01:40:30] anti-Christian aliens belief uh opposes
[01:40:34] Christianity.
[01:40:36] >> Yeah. You hear that Borat?
[01:40:39] >> You hear that aliens?
[01:40:42] >> Do do Nation of Islam ever say where the
[01:40:46] mother ship comes from?
[01:40:49] Islam sounds like a game gaining and
[01:40:51] losing points.
[01:40:52] >> Yeah. A dangerous game.
[01:40:54] >> Yeah. It scales. That's
[01:40:55] >> If you win, you lose. And if you lose,
[01:40:57] you lose. And if you win, lose, you
[01:41:01] still lose. But you might win later.
[01:41:04] >> You You don't You don't see how
[01:41:05] >> You don't see how
[01:41:06] >> I love me Jesus math. Salvation is free
[01:41:08] and paid in full on Calvary by grace
[01:41:11] alone, by faith alone in Jesus. I'll
[01:41:13] take it.
[01:41:14] >> Amen. Would you agree that Islam is the
[01:41:18] very antichrist that puts an end to the
[01:41:20] sacrifices and the offerings as
[01:41:22] Revelation describes? No. The very one
[01:41:25] rising from the sea with uh iron teeth.
[01:41:28] No, I do not.
[01:41:30] >> It I It won't be Islam alone. It will be
[01:41:32] everyone that opposes God. It'll be one
[01:41:35] world order.
[01:41:37] >> Surah 349. Jesus inherently has power to
[01:41:39] create and breathe life. Co-creator with
[01:41:41] Allah. Sounds like he's God even in the
[01:41:44] Quran.
[01:41:46] >> That's right.
[01:41:47] >> Yep. There's definitely two creators in
[01:41:48] in the Quran for sure. At least at
[01:41:51] least.
[01:41:52] Sister is sister. It is so beautiful to
[01:41:55] see you grow in confidence and calm in
[01:41:59] this work. God bless you.
[01:42:00] >> Thank you. That means everything. Wait,
[01:42:02] hold on. What's his name?
[01:42:04] >> Dr. Nasser's magic box of rocks.
[01:42:09] That's crazy.
[01:42:12] Oh, that's good. But thank you so much.
[01:42:14] Thank you. God bless you.
[01:42:16] >> Dr. Nasser's
[01:42:18] >> magic box of rocks.
[01:42:22] >> Crazy work. Crazy work. Why isn't the
[01:42:25] angel of the Lord in the New Testament?
[01:42:27] You see the proof.
[01:42:31] He is in the New Testament though.
[01:42:33] >> Yep.
[01:42:34] >> Jesus Christ. It's my favorite Muslim
[01:42:37] military leader. General confirmation.
[01:42:39] >> Oh my goodness. That's good. Y'all
[01:42:43] funny.
[01:42:45] >> Grandma's cracking up. Uh, Brother GL,
[01:42:49] glad you liked my rendition of your
[01:42:52] intermission tune. I had fun making it.
[01:42:54] Yeah, I did like it. That was smooth. He
[01:42:56] made a doop.
[01:42:58] He made it like jazzy and stuff.
[01:43:00] >> And why have I not heard this?
[01:43:01] >> Um, because you don't pay attention.
[01:43:04] >> Yeah, I know.
[01:43:04] >> All you care about is cats. Katherine's
[01:43:07] in the house says, "I'm still on such a
[01:43:10] high."
[01:43:11] >> Katherine,
[01:43:12] >> yeah, it's our sister.
[01:43:14] >> My sis,
[01:43:15] >> she said, "I'm still on such a high from
[01:43:17] having met all of you. You guys are just
[01:43:21] a lovely in just as in Huh. You guys are
[01:43:25] just as lovely in person as you are as
[01:43:30] you all seem online. Stay blessed. Love
[01:43:33] to your mom, too. She was the best.
[01:43:36] Amen.
[01:43:37] >> Yeah.
[01:43:37] >> Yeah. We brought we brought we we
[01:43:38] brought Mama Logic out to London with
[01:43:40] us. That was so fun. She had a great
[01:43:42] time coming to Speaker's Corner with us.
[01:43:44] So, that was pretty dope.
[01:43:45] >> Yeah. God bless you, Katherine. We hope
[01:43:47] to see you again when we come back out
[01:43:49] that way.
[01:43:49] >> That's right. Aiden says, "There is
[01:43:52] literally a widely accepted hadith that
[01:43:54] says Jesus and Mary are the only humans
[01:43:56] not touched by Satan. Therefore, sin."
[01:44:02] >> Hey, you know, we don't know if that
[01:44:05] it that sahi hadith is sahi you know
[01:44:08] >> right it might be sahi dahif
[01:44:10] >> right
[01:44:10] >> god logic and lady logic this is my very
[01:44:13] first super chat ever wow hey you know
[01:44:16] what you should you you get a song man
[01:44:19] you we we while we read this we gota we
[01:44:21] got to give you a song we got to give
[01:44:23] you a song man uh where it at where it
[01:44:28] at
[01:44:34] >> isn't
[01:44:34] Griffic
[01:44:40] rooted jealousy.
[01:44:44] >> Let's get it.
[01:44:46] Hey
[01:44:52] little dance.
[01:44:56] I know it hurts not to
[01:45:02] why you got to that way.
[01:45:09] Give me donations
[01:45:12] nation.
[01:45:13] Give me them payments.
[01:45:16] Stop drifting. Stop. Stop. Stop.
[01:45:26] >> Thank you for your Thank you for your
[01:45:28] very first uh super chat to Griff
[01:45:32] Nation. She says uh or this person said
[01:45:34] I can't help. It says um been watching
[01:45:37] for a month now and feel compelled to
[01:45:40] sew into your ministry. Uh you guys are
[01:45:44] doing amazing work. keep storing up
[01:45:46] treasures in heaven. God bless.
[01:45:48] >> God bless you, too.
[01:45:49] >> Amen. Thank you so much. Thank you for
[01:45:51] having the heart to give. Thank you for
[01:45:52] obeying God and and giving to the
[01:45:54] ministry. Uh we we we definitely
[01:45:56] appreciate you. So, thank you so much.
[01:45:58] Thank you so much. And I'm glad we can
[01:46:00] bless you uh with the content. So, uh
[01:46:03] that's how that's what we try to do,
[01:46:04] man. We try to equip the saints, man. We
[01:46:06] want you guys to be able to do what
[01:46:08] we're doing here, you know, uh as easy a
[01:46:12] as one, two, three. We we want you to
[01:46:14] guys we want you to have it in your
[01:46:16] system, you know. So, keep consuming the
[01:46:19] videos, taking notes, absorbing the
[01:46:22] information, and then practicing it.
[01:46:24] That's how you get better.
[01:46:26] All right. Um All right, let's continue.
[01:46:28] Let's continue. Let's get um let's get
[01:46:31] uh Salem. Seem on the stage. How you
[01:46:34] doing?
[01:46:35] >> Hey guys, how are you?
[01:46:37] >> Cannot hear you at all.
[01:46:39] >> Uh can you hear me now?
[01:46:40] >> No, no, no. You got to uh I don't know
[01:46:42] if you are connected to a Bluetooth or
[01:46:44] something, but your mic is very very
[01:46:46] low.
[01:46:49] >> Just a second, please. I'm sorry.
[01:46:51] >> Yeah, bro. I can't hear you at all, man.
[01:46:54] >> Can you hear me now?
[01:46:55] >> That's better. Can you Is it possible to
[01:46:57] turn it up more?
[01:46:59] >> Uh, can you hear me now?
[01:47:02] >> No, that's not that's not working. Hold
[01:47:03] on. Let me see if I can do my mic.
[01:47:05] >> Is it Is it better now?
[01:47:07] >> No, it's actually worse.
[01:47:09] >> Nope. Go go go back to what you did
[01:47:11] right before.
[01:47:16] All right. Say something.
[01:47:18] >> No. Can you hear me?
[01:47:20] >> Uh, this is better. It's only because I
[01:47:22] turned you up over here. So,
[01:47:24] >> okay. I will try to speak uh louder if
[01:47:28] you don't mind.
[01:47:30] >> Yes. S miss. It's not going to work,
[01:47:32] bro. I'm sorry.
[01:47:33] >> Yeah, they can't.
[01:47:33] >> It's We can't We can't hear you. Okay.
[01:47:38] >> Try to try to get the sound together and
[01:47:39] we'll bring you back up. Okay.
[01:47:41] >> Okay. Thank you.
[01:47:42] >> All right.
[01:47:46] Zane. Zayn, you're on stage.
[01:47:54] Zane.
[01:47:55] Zane.
[01:47:57] Uliding.
[01:48:00] Zane Benit.
[01:48:04] >> Need you to say something, bro.
[01:48:06] Going once.
[01:48:08] Going twice.
[01:48:11] All right.
[01:48:17] Mubaraka, you're on stage.
[01:48:27] >> Hello, Mubaraka.
[01:48:31] Yes. Can you hear me, guys?
[01:48:34] Yeah.
[01:48:36] He's too loud.
[01:48:36] >> Hey guys, how you doing?
[01:48:38] >> Pretty good. How are you?
[01:48:42] >> I'm good. Good.
[01:48:44] Yeah, I'm just
[01:48:47] Anyway, I don't have what to say a lot.
[01:48:49] I just wanted to say you guys love you
[01:48:51] so much.
[01:48:54] Um, I used to be a Mus I used to be a
[01:48:56] Muslim, but I converted to Christianity.
[01:48:59] >> Oh, praise God.
[01:49:00] >> Bless you. So you guys have been
[01:49:02] enlightening me a lot and um my life has
[01:49:06] been has changed completely to Christ
[01:49:09] actually. So
[01:49:13] um
[01:49:15] >> that's good brother.
[01:49:16] >> Anyway, I'm from Africa. You guys I wish
[01:49:18] you guys you can come to Africa one day.
[01:49:20] >> We will.
[01:49:21] >> Uh
[01:49:22] >> what part of Africa are you from?
[01:49:25] >> What part of Africa are you?
[01:49:26] >> I'm from
[01:49:28] I'm from Rwanda Kegali. If you know D
[01:49:31] country.
[01:49:32] >> Okay.
[01:49:32] >> Okay. Wonder.
[01:49:34] >> Yeah. You guys if you one day pay
[01:49:39] a vist you guys probably I'll be the
[01:49:42] first person to host you guys be the
[01:49:47] >> I'll be the I'll host you guys. I'll do
[01:49:49] anything you guys you want to because I
[01:49:53] love to I enjoy to see you guys every
[01:49:55] day. Every day I always see like watch
[01:49:58] your videos. Uh I have a lot of Muslims
[01:50:01] around here who need to see the truth.
[01:50:03] they need to uh I don't know they need
[01:50:07] to change like uh that's all has been my
[01:50:11] prayers and uh I'm praying to God that
[01:50:14] you guys not only enlightening them with
[01:50:18] the word of God of Jesus Christ but also
[01:50:21] I always pray that God should give you
[01:50:25] um the gifts like I mean the how do you
[01:50:29] call the the gifts like of healing
[01:50:32] prophecies is whereby you guys not only
[01:50:35] giving them feeding them with the word
[01:50:38] but also healing them doing all this
[01:50:40] stuff. So that's all I can say. So
[01:50:43] >> all right
[01:50:44] >> guys I love you so much.
[01:50:46] >> We love you too brother.
[01:50:48] >> Yeah.
[01:50:49] >> God bless.
[01:50:49] >> Yeah.
[01:50:50] >> Bless you. Thank you.
[01:50:51] >> Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah. Byebye.
[01:50:55] >> How nice. How nice.
[01:50:58] Zad, how you doing?
[01:51:01] Yeah. Hi.
[01:51:03] >> Can you hear me?
[01:51:05] >> Hey there. Yes.
[01:51:07] >> Hello. Can you hear me?
[01:51:11] >> Yes. You can't hear you can't hear us.
[01:51:15] >> I can hear you. Perfect.
[01:51:18] >> Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So, you're a
[01:51:20] Muslim, right?
[01:51:23] >> Okay. So, there's
[01:51:24] >> Yes, I I'm a Muslim, but I don't follow
[01:51:26] hadith.
[01:51:28] >> Okay. Uh, leave and come back. Okay.
[01:51:32] >> Can you hear me clearly?
[01:51:34] >> No. Hold on. Can you
[01:51:35] >> delay? Yeah, there's a delay.
[01:51:37] >> Clearly. What about now?
[01:51:40] >> There's a delay.
[01:51:42] >> Yeah, that delay is too bad.
[01:51:44] >> He didn't even hear there was a delay
[01:51:45] until like a minute later.
[01:51:46] >> Yeah. Try try to come back, man, if you
[01:51:48] can. Uh, Islam is the truth. You're on
[01:51:50] stage.
[01:51:53] >> So, hello. Can you hear me?
[01:51:55] >> Yes.
[01:51:56] >> Good. Good.
[01:51:58] >> How are you?
[01:51:59] >> I'm good. Alhamdulillah. Oh, thank you.
[01:52:02] >> Good, good, good. Would you would you
[01:52:03] like to hear why uh why we reject Islam?
[01:52:07] >> Oh, actually, I'd like to bring up your
[01:52:10] point earlier about um general
[01:52:12] confirmation.
[01:52:15] >> It's up to you.
[01:52:16] >> Let's do it.
[01:52:17] >> All right. You talk to
[01:52:18] >> Yeah. I had a
[01:52:21] Okay. Can you reiterate to me what what
[01:52:23] what your point was?
[01:52:25] >> What's the point, Sudan? The point is
[01:52:27] that Allah rejects someone taking part
[01:52:31] of his scripture and rejecting the rest
[01:52:33] of his scripture. He is completely
[01:52:34] against that. Feels very very strongly
[01:52:37] about it to the point where the person
[01:52:38] who does that is disgraced in this life
[01:52:42] and subjected to the worst punishment in
[01:52:44] the hereafter.
[01:52:47] Okay.
[01:52:48] And your point is that the Quran,
[01:52:52] some people say the Quran is also a
[01:52:54] general confirmation of the previous
[01:52:56] scriptures which would go against Allah.
[01:52:58] Correct?
[01:53:00] >> Well, it goes against his concept of how
[01:53:02] you're supposed to take his revelation.
[01:53:05] So, you agree that the Torah and the
[01:53:07] Injil are the revelation of Allah,
[01:53:09] right?
[01:53:10] >> Yes. But not the one that was around
[01:53:13] during the time of the prophet Muhammad.
[01:53:16] So the Torah and the Injil that Muhammad
[01:53:19] had was corrupted. Is that what you're
[01:53:21] saying?
[01:53:22] >> Yes. So when the Quran came as the
[01:53:25] general confirmation of them, it was
[01:53:27] nitpicking the truth from them.
[01:53:31] It's not it's not going against Allah
[01:53:33] when it is nitpicking from human words.
[01:53:38] If if the Torah and were the exact same
[01:53:43] during Muhammad's time
[01:53:46] then it would be it would go against
[01:53:49] Allah. Okay. So then why throughout the
[01:53:53] Quran is Allah constantly telling
[01:53:58] everyone to go to the previous scripture
[01:54:00] if the one that Muhammad had is
[01:54:02] corrupted and wasn't his revelation.
[01:54:08] >> Let's talk about that. This brings us to
[01:54:09] the Islamic dilemma. Okay.
[01:54:12] >> Yeah. That that's where we're at.
[01:54:14] >> Islamic dilemma. Um yes, you're correct.
[01:54:17] Throughout the Quran, Allah confirms the
[01:54:20] previous scriptures
[01:54:23] talks about how they um are right. But
[01:54:27] what he's talking about, he's not
[01:54:29] talking about the corrupted version.
[01:54:30] He's talking about the original version.
[01:54:32] The injil
[01:54:34] he's talking about is not the Matthew,
[01:54:36] Mark, Luke, or John. We don't believe in
[01:54:39] those. And we don't believe those were
[01:54:40] corrupted. We we believe those were
[01:54:43] always corrupt.
[01:54:45] >> All right? So even in chapter 2 verse 85
[01:54:47] that we were just looking at babe will
[01:54:49] you put on the screen
[01:54:51] >> in context that's talking about the
[01:54:53] Torah
[01:54:56] >> why if the Torah that's being spoken of
[01:54:59] here is not the one that Allah revealed
[01:55:02] why are you being punished for
[01:55:04] cherrypicking it
[01:55:09] which ayah of the Quran is this
[01:55:11] >> chapter 2 verse 85 Okay,
[01:55:16] >> I'm in the bank.
[01:55:24] >> 85. Okay, let me read it.
[01:55:36] In the meantime, make sure you guys are
[01:55:37] hitting that like button like fear
[01:55:39] disobedience. Go ahead, friend.
[01:55:44] Okay. So, um,
[01:55:47] yeah, I read the I read the
[01:55:50] interest.
[01:55:50] >> Yeah. So, do you believe in part of the
[01:55:52] scripture and disbelieve in part? Are
[01:55:54] you saying that the scripture that is
[01:55:58] being referred to here as the corrupted
[01:56:00] Torah?
[01:56:02] >> No, the original Torah.
[01:56:04] >> Okay. So, this is talking about the
[01:56:05] original Torah.
[01:56:09] So all throughout the Quran, it's
[01:56:11] talking about the original Torah, the
[01:56:13] original to go back throughout the
[01:56:16] Quran. Not all throughout the Quran.
[01:56:20] >> Well, yeah, we agreed that it's it's in
[01:56:22] several verses that talks about
[01:56:24] referring back to the previous
[01:56:26] scripture. So,
[01:56:28] >> but you said,
[01:56:29] >> go ahead.
[01:56:30] >> The Quran also talks about how the
[01:56:33] previous scriptures were corrupted.
[01:56:36] >> Okay, let's look at those. Yes, because
[01:56:38] this was this is our go.
[01:56:41] >> Yeah, let's go to Okay, let's get it.
[01:56:45] Quran 446.
[01:56:49] >> All righty. We'll let him put it up on
[01:56:50] the screen and we'll read it together.
[01:57:04] >> Another one. Um,
[01:57:06] >> so here's chapter 4:46.
[01:57:09] It says, "Among the Jews are those who
[01:57:11] distort words from their usages and say,
[01:57:16] we hear and disobey and hear but be not
[01:57:20] heard and
[01:57:23] rhina twisting their tongues and
[01:57:26] defaming the religion."
[01:57:28] And if they had said instead, we hear
[01:57:31] and obey and wait for us to understand,
[01:57:33] it would have been better for them and
[01:57:35] more suitable. But Allah has cursed them
[01:57:37] for their disbelief. So they believe not
[01:57:40] except for a few.
[01:57:42] >> All right, friends. So where and how was
[01:57:46] the word of God corrupted? Here
[01:57:52] >> it says
[01:57:54] Jews who distort words. Mhm. How did
[01:57:58] they distort them
[01:58:01] >> according to the
[01:58:03] >> the verse doesn't say how they distorted
[01:58:06] them
[01:58:08] >> twisting their tongues and defaming the
[01:58:11] religion.
[01:58:13] >> Yes.
[01:58:14] >> So they're distorting it by twisting
[01:58:16] their tongues and defaming the religion.
[01:58:19] So they are going against the meaning of
[01:58:22] the text. Right.
[01:58:24] >> Correct.
[01:58:25] >> Okay. So if they're they're verbally
[01:58:28] distorting the words that doesn't affect
[01:58:31] the written text, right?
[01:58:34] >> Let's talk about when they say when they
[01:58:36] say it verbally. Yes. When they say it
[01:58:39] verbally, people may people may write it
[01:58:41] down. They may write it down and this
[01:58:45] overtakes the original scripture.
[01:58:48] >> Okay? So Allah's revelation is overtaken
[01:58:52] by people misinterpreting it. And then
[01:58:55] the people that hear that
[01:58:56] misinterpretation writing it down.
[01:59:01] >> Yes.
[01:59:03] >> Okay. So Allah didn't preserve his words
[01:59:06] and someone somewhere in one location
[01:59:10] misinterpreting it that globally
[01:59:14] globally corrupts the text. So
[01:59:16] everywhere else where they had the Torah
[01:59:18] written that becomes corrupted. How
[01:59:25] >> let's talk about um uh globally because
[01:59:28] at this time
[01:59:30] Judaism was not all around the world. It
[01:59:32] was so it was focused in the Middle
[01:59:35] Eastern area maybe a little bit abroad
[01:59:38] but no it was focused in this area and
[01:59:41] it wasn't just these people who were
[01:59:46] saying the wrong things and changing it.
[01:59:49] What?
[01:59:51] Okay. When did this change occur?
[01:59:54] >> I don't know.
[01:59:56] Sometime before Muhammad.
[01:59:59] >> Before Muhammad.
[02:00:01] >> Yes. Because by the time Muhammad came,
[02:00:05] they were all corrupted.
[02:00:08] >> And yet Muhammad is telling you to
[02:00:10] believe in a corrupted book. Allah is
[02:00:13] telling you to believe in a corrupted
[02:00:14] book.
[02:00:15] >> Let's go to chapter 10 verse 94.
[02:00:20] I'm pretty sure you know this one.
[02:00:25] I'mma let him pull it up. Okay.
[02:00:33] >> Go on and read that, babe.
[02:00:35] >> This is chapter 10 verse 94.
[02:00:38] So if you are in doubt, oh Muhammad,
[02:00:41] about that which we have revealed to
[02:00:42] you, then ask those who have been
[02:00:45] reading the scripture before you. The
[02:00:48] truth has certainly come to you from
[02:00:49] your Lord. So never be among the
[02:00:51] doubters.
[02:00:54] >> All right. So Allah is saying here to
[02:00:56] Muhammad, right?
[02:00:58] That if you are in doubt, what is he
[02:01:01] asking him? What is he telling him? What
[02:01:04] are what are they talking about? What
[02:01:05] they're in doubt on?
[02:01:09] >> In doubt of the scripture and of his
[02:01:12] prophethood,
[02:01:13] >> that which we have revealed to you. So
[02:01:14] what was revealed to Muhammad?
[02:01:21] the Quran.
[02:01:22] >> Exactly. So Allah is saying if you are
[02:01:25] in doubt about the Quran, go and ask
[02:01:28] those who have been reading the
[02:01:30] scripture before you. So what would
[02:01:33] those who have been reading the
[02:01:34] scripture before Muhammad? What would
[02:01:36] they be reading?
[02:01:40] Let's talk about um they would be
[02:01:43] reading the Injil and the Tawra.
[02:01:46] >> Would they be reading a corrupt injil
[02:01:48] and Torah or the actual revelation of
[02:01:52] Allah?
[02:01:56] >> They would be reading the corrupt
[02:01:58] version.
[02:02:00] >> Okay, great. So Allah is saying, if
[02:02:03] you're in doubt about what I've revealed
[02:02:04] to you, go and ask the people that have
[02:02:06] been reading this corrupt book. Does
[02:02:08] that make sense?
[02:02:12] These scriptures
[02:02:15] they do mention
[02:02:17] Muhammad in them. They do have they do
[02:02:21] have the mention of his name.
[02:02:24] And even some Jews at the time
[02:02:28] even some Jews at the time thought when
[02:02:30] Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam came
[02:02:33] that he was the awaited prophet
[02:02:35] mentioned in the Tawra.
[02:02:38] Okay. So, what does it mean to be in
[02:02:42] doubt about something? If you're in
[02:02:44] doubt about something, are you
[02:02:45] questioning whether or not something is
[02:02:47] true? Yes.
[02:02:50] >> All right. So, if you're questioning
[02:02:51] whether or not something is true, would
[02:02:54] Allah
[02:02:56] direct you to something that has some
[02:02:58] truth in it and some falsehood in it?
[02:03:02] >> You know, this is we know of this. Allah
[02:03:06] subhana t knew that Muhammad would have
[02:03:08] no doubt anyway.
[02:03:10] >> That's fine.
[02:03:11] >> This is this is more of a rhetoric
[02:03:13] device in the Quran.
[02:03:15] >> It's a hypothetical, right?
[02:03:18] >> Allah device. When people read this,
[02:03:22] it is
[02:03:24] it um
[02:03:27] it gives um a stronger
[02:03:30] it shows how the Quran
[02:03:33] is the truth.
[02:03:35] Exactly. I I couldn't agree with you
[02:03:36] more. You just said it.
[02:03:38] >> When you when you read this, when you
[02:03:39] read this, it's like saying, "If you
[02:03:41] don't believe me, go read go read what
[02:03:43] came before you."
[02:03:44] >> That's right.
[02:03:46] >> And then you come and then you're going
[02:03:47] to come back here and you're going to
[02:03:48] say, "Oh, how you were the truth."
[02:03:51] You're going to go
[02:03:51] >> if it matches, right?
[02:03:54] >> No, it does not match.
[02:03:55] >> So, okay. So, I say if you're in doubt
[02:03:58] about what I'm telling you, go and read
[02:04:00] the pe go and ask the people that have
[02:04:02] been reading this. We go and you you go
[02:04:05] and ask the people that have been
[02:04:06] reading that and everything matches.
[02:04:10] Are your doubts reconciled?
[02:04:13] >> It does not match.
[02:04:14] >> If it does match, are your doubts dealt
[02:04:17] with?
[02:04:18] >> If it does match, yes.
[02:04:20] >> And if it doesn't match,
[02:04:23] >> if it doesn't match,
[02:04:25] it could um we can No,
[02:04:27] >> we can still have some doubts, right? We
[02:04:29] can still have some doubts but
[02:04:32] but when we do read it
[02:04:38] >> if we do ask the people and they tell us
[02:04:40] about the previous scriptures
[02:04:42] it can bring us closer to the Quran. We
[02:04:45] can see how what we have in the Quran
[02:04:48] >> is vastly and greatly superior.
[02:04:51] >> Well, are you supposed to be saying that
[02:04:53] it's superior or are you supposed to be
[02:04:55] relieving your doubts?
[02:04:58] relieving our doubts by how it is
[02:05:01] superior.
[02:05:03] >> Well, it's not looking very superior if
[02:05:05] I say go and look at this thing as your
[02:05:08] point of reference to whether or not
[02:05:10] what I'm telling you now is true. So,
[02:05:14] which one is being held up as the litmus
[02:05:16] test for truth? The previous scripture,
[02:05:20] right?
[02:05:21] >> Yes. If you don't believe what I'm
[02:05:24] saying to you, go and look at the pre go
[02:05:26] and ask the people that have been
[02:05:27] reading this previous scripture because
[02:05:29] that previous scripture is true,
[02:05:33] right? That's what Allah is
[02:05:35] communicating.
[02:05:35] >> No, the Quran does not say the previous
[02:05:37] scriptures are true. Let me ask you a
[02:05:39] question.
[02:05:40] >> Okay,
[02:05:40] >> last question. Do you believe in what
[02:05:43] was revealed to MSI?
[02:05:47] >> Yes.
[02:05:47] >> Or what was you you believe in that?
[02:05:49] It's it's in the Bible, correct? Yeah.
[02:05:52] >> Okay. The Quran directly addresses that
[02:05:57] what was given to MS was corrupted.
[02:06:02] >> Where?
[02:06:04] >> Quran 691.
[02:06:06] Go right now.
[02:06:08] >> So, we're going away from 1094.
[02:06:10] >> Well, we're going away from 1094, but we
[02:06:14] can go and look at that because it's not
[02:06:15] going to say that. But I I want to take
[02:06:18] you back to what you said.
[02:06:21] You said that if we go back and look and
[02:06:25] it doesn't match, you still have doubts,
[02:06:29] right?
[02:06:30] >> That could be. Yes.
[02:06:32] >> Okay. So Allah wouldn't send you to
[02:06:36] something that has part truth and part
[02:06:39] part falsehood if it's going to cause
[02:06:40] you to still have doubts. The entire
[02:06:43] point of this rhetorical statement is to
[02:06:46] alleviate those doubts, right? Allah
[02:06:49] didn't say this for no reason.
[02:06:54] Yes. Um, let me bring up a point by a
[02:06:57] Muslim guy. He on a private chat, he
[02:07:00] told me something. He said I he told me
[02:07:04] to read it. So, I'm going to read it for
[02:07:05] him. He said Muhammad is he said the
[02:07:09] point is not Muhammad go verify whether
[02:07:11] your revelation is true but rather the
[02:07:15] truth has come to you and even those
[02:07:17] familiar with earlier revelations
[02:07:19] >> would you rather we bring him up to help
[02:07:22] >> no uh there's something you can bring
[02:07:24] him up to help but I don't want to go
[02:07:26] down
[02:07:27] >> yeah no you can you can you can stay you
[02:07:29] want to you want me want me to bring him
[02:07:30] up
[02:07:31] >> yeah yeah but can we go to just um for a
[02:07:34] little bit sort Uh 6 a.m. 911 please.
[02:07:37] >> Hello.
[02:07:37] >> We can in a second. We just got to we
[02:07:39] got to settle this. Go ahead. Muslim
[02:07:41] guy. What was the point that you wanted
[02:07:42] to iterate here?
[02:07:45] >> Uh can you hear me?
[02:07:46] >> Yes.
[02:07:47] >> Yes.
[02:07:48] >> Thank you for having me by the way. So
[02:07:50] uh the verse is rather telling Muhammad
[02:07:53] um uh it's not go and verify whether
[02:07:56] your revelation is true rather um is
[02:07:59] telling the truth has come to you and
[02:08:01] even those familiar with earlier
[02:08:03] revelation could confirm it.
[02:08:06] How would they confirm it?
[02:08:08] >> Because the corruption was not total.
[02:08:10] The people of the book still retained
[02:08:12] genuine knowledge about God, prophets,
[02:08:13] and divine revelation
[02:08:16] sufficient to recognize the truth of
[02:08:17] Muhammad's message.
[02:08:19] >> And they still had something to read,
[02:08:21] right?
[02:08:23] >> True. Yes.
[02:08:24] >> And what was that?
[02:08:29] >> Well, I uh so it's the previous
[02:08:31] scripture. However, um not all of it was
[02:08:34] still uh authentic or it's in its
[02:08:37] original state.
[02:08:39] >> So Allah is sending Muhammad to people
[02:08:42] that are reading corrupted scriptures.
[02:08:45] >> Yes. Because that's the point of the
[02:08:46] Quran to basically like you you already
[02:08:50] know the Muslim argument like the Quran
[02:08:51] is a a correction of previous
[02:08:54] scriptures. However, the general message
[02:08:56] between all the prophets has basically
[02:08:58] been the same like Moses telling its
[02:09:00] people to worship one God. Jesus telling
[02:09:02] his people to worship one God and
[02:09:04] Muhammad telling his people to one to
[02:09:06] worship one God. So basically the
[02:09:08] message is consistent across all the
[02:09:10] prophets. Didn't Jesus
[02:09:12] >> Can you clarify something for us right
[02:09:14] quick before you go on because I want to
[02:09:15] make sure we stay on the same page.
[02:09:17] >> Um what does it mean to doubt?
[02:09:21] >> To not be sure of something.
[02:09:23] >> Okay. So Muhammad's not sure of what
[02:09:26] what is being mentioned here. What does
[02:09:28] Allah reveal to him? It's it's not it's
[02:09:30] not saying um that he is in doubt. It
[02:09:32] it's basically saying
[02:09:34] >> yeah we were in
[02:09:35] >> doubt he wasn't in doubt.
[02:09:36] >> We don't agree that he wasn't but if
[02:09:38] >> if he is in doubt
[02:09:41] >> then what is Allah telling him to do
[02:09:43] >> if he's uncertain about the truth of the
[02:09:44] Quran what is he supposed to do
[02:09:47] >> as those who read the scripture before
[02:09:49] you? Why?
[02:09:53] >> Uh so um it can confirm that his message
[02:09:58] um was the truth.
[02:10:00] >> How?
[02:10:02] >> Because like I said uh the previous the
[02:10:05] the because the corruption of the
[02:10:06] previous scripture was not total. The
[02:10:09] the message about God, prophets, and
[02:10:11] divine revelation was still uh intact.
[02:10:15] Basically,
[02:10:18] >> this doesn't make sense, dude. So,
[02:10:20] >> doesn't make any sense.
[02:10:21] >> So, listen to what you're saying. You're
[02:10:23] saying for Muhammad, when Allah says,
[02:10:25] "If you're doubting what the Quran is
[02:10:26] saying,
[02:10:27] >> then go check with this corrupted book
[02:10:30] that has falsehood in it to gain
[02:10:33] certainty about what the Quran is
[02:10:35] saying. How would Muhammad know that
[02:10:37] what he's getting from the previous
[02:10:38] scripture then is actually the truth if
[02:10:41] it's mixed with falsehood?"
[02:10:43] >> Because the verse does not say, consult
[02:10:44] the scriptures to determine whether your
[02:10:46] revelation is true. It says ask those
[02:10:48] who read the scripture before you.
[02:10:50] >> The argument is that
[02:10:52] >> I'm sorry to do what?
[02:10:54] >> Ask ask the people who read the
[02:10:57] scripture before him to why because uh
[02:11:01] knowledgeable Jews and Christians could
[02:11:03] testify that prophets revelation.
[02:11:05] >> But why why go to them? Why go to them?
[02:11:07] What's the purpose? Because the concepts
[02:11:10] of Muhammad's message was already
[02:11:12] familiar in earlier revelation.
[02:11:14] >> Very good. Very good. So because they
[02:11:17] know of the prior revelation, they can
[02:11:20] confirm what Muhammad is receiving from
[02:11:22] the Quran. Correct.
[02:11:24] >> Yeah.
[02:11:25] >> Okay.
[02:11:26] >> And that do what?
[02:11:28] >> For Muhammad.
[02:11:31] >> Uh sorry. If Muhammad's uncertain about
[02:11:35] what the Quran is saying and he goes
[02:11:37] into and ask these people who are
[02:11:38] familiar with the previous revelation
[02:11:40] and then they confirm what Muhammad's
[02:11:42] getting, what would that do for
[02:11:44] Muhammad?
[02:11:45] >> Uh so so to confirm that um that his
[02:11:49] message is the truth that he relieve his
[02:11:51] doubts, right?
[02:11:52] >> Exactly. Yeah.
[02:11:54] >> Yeah. Perfect. So the inverse is true.
[02:11:56] If he goes to the people that have been
[02:11:58] reading the scripture before him and
[02:12:00] what they have doesn't match, what does
[02:12:02] that do for Muhammad's doubts?
[02:12:06] Uh, basically reinforce it.
[02:12:08] >> Exactly. So, the standard of truth
[02:12:11] according to this verse, the standard of
[02:12:14] truth is the previous scriptures, right?
[02:12:18] >> Yeah. And how would it make sense if the
[02:12:19] previous scriptures are corrupted?
[02:12:21] >> EXACTLY.
[02:12:22] >> That's what we That's the point. It
[02:12:26] would
[02:12:27] You get it? It wouldn't make sense if
[02:12:29] these scriptures were corrupted for
[02:12:31] Allah to then rely on the previous
[02:12:33] scriptures to help Muhammad's doubts. It
[02:12:36] only makes sense if these scriptures are
[02:12:37] preserved, if they're true. So
[02:12:39] therefore, Muhammad, if he doubted at
[02:12:41] any point, he can get true confirmation
[02:12:44] about what he's receiving.
[02:12:46] >> Yeah, you can't argue with that logic.
[02:12:47] Anyone with sound mind can't uh can't
[02:12:50] argue with that. However, I think the
[02:12:52] general point is um that basically
[02:12:55] Muhammad was telling people to worship
[02:12:57] one God and that was basically the same
[02:12:59] message as Jesus brought and like to
[02:13:02] worship the father basically and Moses.
[02:13:04] So I think it's more in that in that
[02:13:07] specific area.
[02:13:08] >> Okay. Very good. So now the the the test
[02:13:11] comes is is when we line up these two
[02:13:14] messages, does Muhammad's message line
[02:13:17] up with the previous prophets? Right.
[02:13:20] like you said, like they're supposed to
[02:13:21] have the same message, the same
[02:13:22] theology. That's the claim of the Quran.
[02:13:24] You're absolutely right. So now to test
[02:13:26] that, we put two and two together. We
[02:13:29] look at them side by side and let's see
[02:13:31] whether or not Muhammad was in line with
[02:13:34] them. If he's not, then we know he's not
[02:13:36] a true prophet. If he is, then we can
[02:13:38] give him a thumbs up.
[02:13:40] >> Exactly.
[02:13:42] >> Exactly. Okay. So major thing obviously
[02:13:46] when it comes to the the theology is
[02:13:50] Muhammad is teaching throughout the
[02:13:51] Quran this revelation he's getting he's
[02:13:54] teaching that Jesus is not the son of
[02:13:58] God not the son of Allah it doesn't
[02:14:00] befit Allah to take on the son in any
[02:14:02] way shape or form and whoever teaches
[02:14:04] this that Allah fights against them
[02:14:06] they're deluded from the truth that's
[02:14:08] chapter 9 verse 30
[02:14:09] >> we in agreement
[02:14:10] >> yes
[02:14:11] >> right Jesus on the other hand in the
[02:14:14] gospel he teaches that he is the son of
[02:14:17] God that whoever believes in him should
[02:14:19] not perish but have everlasting life and
[02:14:22] whoever denies the son of God is
[02:14:24] condemned already.
[02:14:26] >> Yes. So that's a conflicting message. So
[02:14:28] basically you would say uh Muhammad's
[02:14:30] message is false because Jesus claims
[02:14:33] something different and he came before
[02:14:34] Muhammad.
[02:14:35] >> Exactly.
[02:14:38] >> Yes. Well, okay. If I that's that's a
[02:14:41] great point and if I have to ar argue
[02:14:44] that from a Muslim perspective I would
[02:14:46] say basically like Muslims basic claim
[02:14:49] or the Islam claims that that specific
[02:14:51] area is false or however the word of the
[02:14:54] or the meaning of uh son of God is um
[02:14:58] distorted basically. So it's like not
[02:15:00] literal son of god but basically like a
[02:15:04] sun figure of god so to speak.
[02:15:06] >> Yes. So so this is the problem. Number
[02:15:09] one, we can't say this is false because
[02:15:11] we're we're we're we're coming from we
[02:15:13] started this from a Muslim perspective.
[02:15:16] >> We're we're coming from the perspective
[02:15:17] of the Quran, right? So the Quran has
[02:15:20] already established that these
[02:15:22] scriptures are true and can be relied on
[02:15:24] for consistency.
[02:15:26] >> So now when we go into them, we test the
[02:15:28] Quran's claim. We go into them and we
[02:15:30] see Jesus obviously teaching a
[02:15:32] conflicting message to Muhammad who came
[02:15:34] after. And so we see now if we're a
[02:15:38] Muslim like you said, let's we we'll try
[02:15:40] to we'll try to make this fit somehow.
[02:15:42] Maybe son of God was was in a way that
[02:15:47] is compatible with the Quran,
[02:15:49] >> right? That's that's the first move to
[02:15:51] do.
[02:15:52] >> We got to reconcile these. However, when
[02:15:55] we push the envelope, will we be honest?
[02:15:57] According to the Quran, there is no
[02:16:01] sense
[02:16:01] >> in which you can come to Allah as a
[02:16:04] child, a son, a daughter, anything.
[02:16:07] >> You can only come to him as a slave.
[02:16:09] According to chapter 19 verse 93,
[02:16:12] >> yeah, it's kind of different than son.
[02:16:15] >> Allah feels very strongly about not
[02:16:18] being a father.
[02:16:20] >> His slaves. Ex.
[02:16:22] >> Exactly.
[02:16:23] So from with when we look at the message
[02:16:27] of Jesus in the gospel and we see the
[02:16:29] message of Muhammad in the Quran,
[02:16:31] Muhammad is directly theologically
[02:16:35] contradicting the message of Jesus.
[02:16:39] >> Yeah. And therefore a false prophet.
[02:16:41] >> You see why as Christians we were like
[02:16:43] we have a problem with this.
[02:16:44] >> We say also no to the prophet.
[02:16:48] Yes in the meaning.
[02:16:50] But would you also um basically say that
[02:16:53] Jesus came with the message to Israel,
[02:16:55] your Lord is only one.
[02:16:57] >> Of course, they already believed that
[02:16:59] though.
[02:16:59] >> Yeah.
[02:17:01] >> They they didn't they didn't need that.
[02:17:02] >> How was it different from Muhammad's
[02:17:03] message?
[02:17:05] >> Because Muhammad is me Muhammad's
[02:17:06] message is the Lord that is one that
[02:17:08] he's talking about is different from the
[02:17:10] Lord who is one that Jesus is talking
[02:17:12] about. Because the Lord that Jesus is
[02:17:15] talking about it has a son that he sent
[02:17:18] into the world to save and redeem
[02:17:20] mankind. The Lord that Muhammad is
[02:17:22] Muhammad is talking about who is one
[02:17:25] doesn't have a son in any sense and
[02:17:27] whoever says that about him is cursed by
[02:17:29] by Allah.
[02:17:30] >> Right. Jesus teaches that just believing
[02:17:32] in one God is not enough.
[02:17:36] >> Yeah. Okay. But also how would you
[02:17:38] explain when Jesus said to uh when he
[02:17:40] was u basically ascending to heaven
[02:17:42] telling the people um I'm going to my
[02:17:45] father and your father wouldn't that
[02:17:47] also imply that we are also basically
[02:17:49] his son
[02:17:50] >> believers believers. So it it'll be like
[02:17:53] this. Um let's say you and I are
[02:17:55] brothers, right? But
[02:17:57] >> let's say you are, you know, you're a
[02:17:59] biological son of your of your father. I
[02:18:02] was adopted into your family. Okay? So
[02:18:06] >> you can say, "Hey, um Avery, I'm going
[02:18:10] home to my father and your father,
[02:18:12] >> but that wouldn't mean that he's your
[02:18:14] father in the same sense that he's my
[02:18:16] father." Right.
[02:18:17] >> True. Yes.
[02:18:18] >> Right. So, but he's both of our fathers
[02:18:20] just in different respects. So,
[02:18:22] similarly, Jesus is the son of God in a
[02:18:26] different way than believers are sons of
[02:18:28] God. We are adopted as God's children
[02:18:32] while Jesus is begotten of the father.
[02:18:35] And that's the that's the big
[02:18:37] difference. However, we can he can still
[02:18:38] say my father and your father.
[02:18:40] >> That's right.
[02:18:41] >> Which directly goes against the Quran.
[02:18:46] >> Yeah. Okay. That that makes sense. I
[02:18:48] understand.
[02:18:50] >> So th this is a a huge reason why we
[02:18:55] reject the message of Muhammad,
[02:18:56] obviously.
[02:18:57] >> Yep. We went back to the previous
[02:18:59] scriptures. They don't match. We can't
[02:19:01] reconcile it. And we're not just going
[02:19:03] to wash it away and say, "Oh, well, it's
[02:19:05] corrupted." So that doesn't work for the
[02:19:08] Quran or for us.
[02:19:10] >> Yeah. It's it's basically an easy copout
[02:19:12] to say, "Oh, those previous uh
[02:19:14] scriptures are corrupted. Ours is
[02:19:16] correct." I understand that.
[02:19:18] Exactly. He's still here. He's
[02:19:19] listening. So, so what do you think then
[02:19:21] now? Muslim guy like now with this a
[02:19:24] better understanding. What do you what
[02:19:25] do you think overall?
[02:19:27] >> Well, to be honest, uh I was basically
[02:19:30] born a Muslim and I've been studying
[02:19:33] different religions. I've been reading
[02:19:35] the Old Testament and New Testament.
[02:19:37] >> Okay.
[02:19:38] >> And I've been brought up with the belief
[02:19:39] that Islam is the truth and the previous
[02:19:42] scriptures have been corrupted. However,
[02:19:44] I was doing my own research and I want
[02:19:48] to find the truth and to accept the
[02:19:50] truth regardless of what my belief
[02:19:53] system is. Um I'm not too arrogant to
[02:19:56] reject the truth basically.
[02:19:58] So um but yeah there's still some things
[02:20:02] which made me doubt about Christianity
[02:20:04] regarding the trinity which is a common
[02:20:07] theme of course but um
[02:20:10] >> to me Islam kind of makes sense in a way
[02:20:12] that
[02:20:14] >> the the consistency of prophethood
[02:20:17] basically all uh pointed to one God um
[02:20:21] that God was from the beginning and that
[02:20:24] he sent the previous prophets with one
[02:20:27] message, one consistent message of
[02:20:29] worship God only.
[02:20:34] >> So, so to be clear, Muslim guys, so
[02:20:37] I I I love that you have that as a
[02:20:40] standard that you you you pride in
[02:20:43] consistency of the prophets. That's the
[02:20:45] same for us.
[02:20:46] >> Yeah.
[02:20:47] >> Continuity of prophethood and the
[02:20:49] message is essential to a true religion.
[02:20:54] If there's a break, then there's there's
[02:20:56] corruption. There's falsa, there's
[02:20:58] contradiction that doesn't work,
[02:21:00] >> right?
[02:21:01] >> So th this is this is literally our main
[02:21:04] reason why we don't believe in Muhammad.
[02:21:07] It's it's it's literally So look,
[02:21:09] >> makes sense. Makes sense,
[02:21:11] >> right? So you have the Quran.
[02:21:13] It's it makes a claim for Abraham. It
[02:21:16] makes a claim for Moses and the pri the
[02:21:19] the the prior prophets, right? It it it
[02:21:22] claims them as Islamic prophets and
[02:21:25] claims to be teaching the same thing
[02:21:27] they're teaching. Right
[02:21:30] >> now to to test whether the Quran is
[02:21:33] telling the truth when it makes that
[02:21:35] claim is to actually like do what you're
[02:21:38] doing. Go and read them.
[02:21:40] >> Y go read the Torah.
[02:21:41] >> Previous scriptures.
[02:21:42] >> Yep. Go read the Torah. Go read the
[02:21:45] prophets. Go read the gospel and see if
[02:21:48] it actually does line up. And what
[02:21:51] you'll find is and you you'll see this
[02:21:53] on your own journey.
[02:21:54] >> But as you what you'll find is is that
[02:21:56] there are discrepancies
[02:21:59] theologically
[02:22:00] when it comes to what the prophets
[02:22:02] taught versus what for example can I can
[02:22:05] I give you an example?
[02:22:06] >> Of course.
[02:22:07] >> So one example which is huge for us is
[02:22:11] um is the crucifixion and resurrection
[02:22:16] of the Messiah.
[02:22:17] >> That's right.
[02:22:17] >> Right. Huge for us. That's like that's
[02:22:20] what makes Christianity. Without that,
[02:22:21] we don't got Christianity right
[02:22:24] >> now.
[02:22:26] If this is so huge, then we should see a
[02:22:29] progression of this concept
[02:22:33] >> throughout the prophets right
[02:22:36] >> now. This is exactly what we have. Now,
[02:22:39] I'm gonna show you a few examples if you
[02:22:41] don't mind.
[02:22:42] >> I don't mind it also. Go ahead.
[02:22:44] >> All right. Praise God. All right. So,
[02:22:46] watch this, bro. So, I'm going to start
[02:22:47] with the Torah and work our way through
[02:22:52] and show you hints and glimpses
[02:22:57] of this messianic prophecy or prophecy
[02:23:01] of the Messiah.
[02:23:03] >> And this is going to
[02:23:07] I think that you would appreciate this.
[02:23:09] I think you would appreciate this for
[02:23:11] real. Um, let's do this and uh let's do
[02:23:18] 12 to 16. Yeah.
[02:23:22] No, no, no. We'll just do all of all of
[02:23:24] all of 22. What you laughing at?
[02:23:27] >> You
[02:23:28] >> girl.
[02:23:31] Okay.
[02:23:35] Uhhuh.
[02:23:38] 53.
[02:23:40] comment.
[02:23:42] >> And let's do uh
[02:23:44] >> Oh, Zachchariah.
[02:23:45] >> You feel me?
[02:23:46] >> Mhm.
[02:23:47] >> Zachariah.
[02:23:48] You know what I'm saying? And then last
[02:23:51] but not least, I'm I'm going to do a
[02:23:53] gospel verse. Where do you think I'mma
[02:23:54] go?
[02:23:56] >> I don't know. You have lots of options
[02:23:58] >> to show a fulfillment of all of this.
[02:24:01] Has a cherry on top. Where do you think
[02:24:02] I'mma go?
[02:24:05] >> Luke.
[02:24:05] >> Luke. What?
[02:24:07] >> I don't know. Quit putting me on the Oh,
[02:24:08] Luke 24.
[02:24:09] You should have known if you watch my
[02:24:11] lives long enough.
[02:24:12] >> I do watch.
[02:24:13] >> No, you don't. You don't. You don't even
[02:24:15] hit the live. You don't even hit the
[02:24:16] like button.
[02:24:16] >> I do.
[02:24:17] >> Crazy work. All right. So, let's do
[02:24:20] this.
[02:24:22] All right. I got us all on the screen.
[02:24:24] I'm going to share this tab here.
[02:24:26] >> Yeah.
[02:24:27] >> Sharing.
[02:24:28] >> All right. So, this is Genesis 3:15.
[02:24:32] >> And uh so this is the first book of the
[02:24:35] Torah. Okay.
[02:24:36] >> Yes. So this is the just for context.
[02:24:39] This is when Adam and Eve ate the
[02:24:41] forbidden fruit and then God is now
[02:24:44] giving out his punishments to each
[02:24:46] individual. Specifically right here,
[02:24:47] he's talking to the serpent, Satan.
[02:24:50] >> Yes.
[02:24:50] >> Okay. So he says, "And I will put enmity
[02:24:54] between you and the woman and between
[02:24:57] your seed and her seed,
[02:25:01] and he shall bruise you on the head, and
[02:25:03] you shall bruise him on the heel."
[02:25:07] So what we have here is we have the seed
[02:25:09] of the serpent and the seed of the
[02:25:10] woman. The seed of the woman is going to
[02:25:13] bruise the head of the serpent. Going to
[02:25:15] crush his head while at the same time
[02:25:17] being bruised himself. He going to get
[02:25:19] caught on the heel. Now let me ask you
[02:25:22] this.
[02:25:23] Do women have seed? Last time I checked.
[02:25:28] >> No.
[02:25:29] >> No they don't. Right. It's the men that
[02:25:31] put the seed in the woman. Right.
[02:25:33] >> Of course. Yeah. I mean, it's 2026, but
[02:25:34] still
[02:25:39] >> it is 2026, man. Times might be
[02:25:42] different now, man.
[02:25:44] >> And this might be a prophecy in 2026,
[02:25:46] though.
[02:25:47] >> Hey, man. What is a woman?
[02:25:48] >> What's a woman, man? We don't even know.
[02:25:51] Um, but right. So, traditionally,
[02:25:54] >> traditionally, women don't women don't
[02:25:56] have seed, though.
[02:25:57] >> Women don't have seed. However, there
[02:26:00] was one woman who had her own seed.
[02:26:02] Isn't that right?
[02:26:04] >> Yes. That's Mary and her seed was
[02:26:06] basically implanted by God uh himself.
[02:26:09] >> That's right. So, you have the seed of
[02:26:11] the woman who is the Messiah,
[02:26:14] >> right?
[02:26:15] >> And so, the Messiah is going to crush
[02:26:17] the head of the serpent while also being
[02:26:20] bruised himself on the heel. Okay, this
[02:26:24] is the first hint in the Torah in the
[02:26:27] very beginning of the Messiah coming,
[02:26:30] defeating the serpent, but also being
[02:26:32] bruised at the same time
[02:26:34] >> and being born of a virgin,
[02:26:35] >> right? And a virgin birth, too, right?
[02:26:38] Okay, so nice little hints there. Nice
[02:26:40] little little nuggets there. Now, when
[02:26:43] we go down, skip a little forward to
[02:26:45] David, the Psalm, the Zabora, chapter
[02:26:47] 22, verse one, it says this, "My God, my
[02:26:52] God, why have you forsaken me?" Does
[02:26:55] that sound familiar to you?
[02:26:57] >> Yeah.
[02:26:58] >> Yeah. These are the words of Jesus on
[02:27:00] the cross, right?
[02:27:02] >> Yes. Correct.
[02:27:03] >> This is exactly what Jesus quotes when
[02:27:04] he's on the cross before he gives up his
[02:27:06] life. My God, my God, why have you
[02:27:08] forsaken me? Let's just read what why
[02:27:11] he's quoting this.
[02:27:13] Uh, far from my salvation are the words
[02:27:16] of my groaning. Oh my God, I call by
[02:27:18] day, but you do not answer and by night,
[02:27:20] but I have no rest. Yet you are holy,
[02:27:22] enthroned upon theh the praises of
[02:27:24] Israel. In you our fathers trusted. They
[02:27:27] trusted and you rescued them. To you
[02:27:30] they cried out and were granted escape.
[02:27:32] In you they trusted and were not
[02:27:34] disappointed. But I am a worm and not a
[02:27:36] man. a reproach of men and despised by
[02:27:39] the people. All who see me mock me. They
[02:27:43] smack their lip. They wag their head,
[02:27:45] saying, "Commit yourself to Yahweh. Let
[02:27:47] him rescue him. Let him deliver him
[02:27:50] because he delights in him." They're
[02:27:51] mocking him, saying this stuff.
[02:27:54] >> Yet you are he who brought me out of the
[02:27:56] womb. You made me trust when upon my
[02:28:00] mother's breasts. Upon you I was cast
[02:28:02] from birth. You have been my God from my
[02:28:04] mother's womb.
[02:28:06] Be not far from me, for distress is
[02:28:08] near, for there is none to help. Many
[02:28:09] bulls surround me. Strong bulls of
[02:28:12] Bashan have encircled me. They have
[02:28:13] opened their wide their mouth at me. As
[02:28:16] a lion that tears and roars, I am poured
[02:28:19] out like water and my bones out of
[02:28:21] joint. My heart is like wax. It is
[02:28:24] melted within within me, meaning it's
[02:28:26] hard for him to breathe. My strength is
[02:28:28] dried up and dried up like a pop.
[02:28:32] >> My tongue cleaves to my jaws. He's He's
[02:28:35] thirsty. You lay me in the dust of
[02:28:38] death, for dogs have surrounded me. A
[02:28:41] band of evildoers have have encompassed
[02:28:43] me. They have pierced my hands and my
[02:28:47] feet.
[02:28:49] >> I can count all my bones. They look and
[02:28:52] stare at me. They divide my garments
[02:28:54] among them, and for my clothing they
[02:28:56] cast lots.
[02:28:59] which is exactly what the Roman soldiers
[02:29:01] did when they took Jesus's clothes, they
[02:29:03] took his garment, they didn't want to
[02:29:05] tear it because they thought it was
[02:29:07] nice, so they gambled over it to see who
[02:29:09] would get it.
[02:29:09] >> And of course, the piercing of hands and
[02:29:11] feet. That's familiar, right?
[02:29:13] >> Obviously. Yeah. So, there's Genesis,
[02:29:17] Moses,
[02:29:18] David, and the Psalms. Now, let's go a
[02:29:22] little further to
[02:29:24] Isaiah
[02:29:26] 700. So the psalm, this was a thousand
[02:29:28] years before Jesus was born.
[02:29:31] >> Let's go to 300 years later. So you know
[02:29:34] 700 years before Christ. It says, "Who
[02:29:37] has believed our report? And to whom has
[02:29:39] the arm of Yahweh been revealed? For he
[02:29:42] grew up before him like a tender chute
[02:29:43] and like a root out of parched ground?
[02:29:46] He has no stately form or majesty that
[02:29:49] we should look upon him, nor appearance
[02:29:51] that we should desire him. He was
[02:29:54] despised and forsaken of men.
[02:29:57] Uh a man of sorrows and acquainted with
[02:29:59] grief. And like one from whom men hide
[02:30:02] their face, he was despised and we did
[02:30:04] not esteem him. Very consistent from
[02:30:07] what we're seeing through the
[02:30:08] prophecies. Right.
[02:30:10] >> That's correct. It says, "Surely our
[02:30:12] griefs he himself bore, and our sorrows
[02:30:15] he carried, yet we ourselves esteemed
[02:30:20] him stricken, smitten by God and
[02:30:22] afflicted." They thought he was being
[02:30:24] punished by God,
[02:30:25] >> but he was pierced through for our
[02:30:28] transgressions. He was crushed for our
[02:30:31] iniquities. the chassening of for our
[02:30:35] peace fell upon him and by his wounds we
[02:30:39] are healed. All of us like sheep have
[02:30:41] gone astray. Each of us has turned to
[02:30:44] his own way but Yahweh has caused the
[02:30:47] iniquity of us all to fall on him.
[02:30:51] He was oppressed and he was afflicted
[02:30:53] yet he did not open his mouth. Like a
[02:30:55] lamb that is led to the slaughter and
[02:30:57] like a sheep that is silent before it
[02:30:59] sheers. So he did not open his mouth. He
[02:31:01] did not resist. He didn't fight back.
[02:31:03] >> Mhm.
[02:31:05] >> Um by oppression and judgment he was
[02:31:07] taken away. And as for his generation,
[02:31:09] who considered that he was cut off from
[02:31:12] the land of the living? He dies.
[02:31:16] >> That for the transgression of my people,
[02:31:18] striking was due to him. He was stricken
[02:31:21] for us, not for himself. So his grave
[02:31:24] was assigned with wicked men. He dies a
[02:31:26] criminal's death. Yet he was with a rich
[02:31:30] man in his death. Jesus was buried in
[02:31:33] the tomb of Joseph of Arya, a rich man.
[02:31:35] He was he did not be he was not thrown
[02:31:37] with the criminals after the
[02:31:39] crucifixion.
[02:31:40] It says because he had done no violence,
[02:31:43] nor was there any deceit in his mouth.
[02:31:46] But Yahweh was pleased to crush him,
[02:31:49] putting him to grief. If you would place
[02:31:51] his soul as a guilt offering,
[02:31:55] >> he will see his seed. He will prolong
[02:31:58] his days and the good pleasure of Yahweh
[02:32:01] will succeed in his hand as a result of
[02:32:03] the anguish of his soul. He will see it
[02:32:06] and be satisfied by his knowledge and
[02:32:08] righteous by his knowledge the righteous
[02:32:11] one my servant will justify the many as
[02:32:15] he will bear their iniquities their
[02:32:16] sins. Therefore, I will divide for him a
[02:32:20] portion with the many, and he will
[02:32:21] divide the spoil with the strong,
[02:32:24] because he poured out his soul to death
[02:32:28] and was numbered with the transgressors.
[02:32:31] Yet he himself bore the sin of many and
[02:32:34] interceded for the transgressors.
[02:32:37] What this sound like to you, Muslim guy?
[02:32:42] >> If you had to just put a guess on who
[02:32:43] who it sound like to you?
[02:32:46] >> Jesus, of course. Jesus Christ.
[02:32:49] Exactly. Plain picture, man. But you do
[02:32:52] you see so far the thread, Torah,
[02:32:56] the Psalms, the prophets are all
[02:33:00] foretelling,
[02:33:01] whether it's little hints of it or
[02:33:04] whether it's even more laid out detail
[02:33:07] later on. Progressively we see the
[02:33:09] prophets are foretelling the salvation
[02:33:13] through the suffering, death and
[02:33:15] resurrection of the Messiah.
[02:33:18] >> Yes, it's obvious from uh the those
[02:33:21] scriptures indeed. Yes. From the reading
[02:33:23] you just did.
[02:33:24] >> Amen. Now watch this. It gets even gets
[02:33:27] a little little better. This is
[02:33:29] Zechariah
[02:33:31] 12:10. This is what God says. Watch. He
[02:33:34] says, "And I will pour out on the house
[02:33:38] of David and on the inhabitants of
[02:33:40] Jerusalem the spirit of grace and
[02:33:44] supplication,
[02:33:45] so that when they look on me
[02:33:48] >> whom they have pierced,
[02:33:52] and they will mourn for him as one
[02:33:54] mourns for an only son, and they weep
[02:33:56] bitterly over him, like the bitter
[02:33:59] weeping over a firstborn." Now, I
[02:34:01] remember you said that a little little
[02:34:02] issue you have is with the trinity, but
[02:34:04] notice what it's saying here. God is
[02:34:06] speaking saying that he's going to pour
[02:34:08] out his spirit on the house of David.
[02:34:10] Spirit of grace and supplication,
[02:34:13] meaning they're going to want to plead
[02:34:14] for his mercy. They're going to pray for
[02:34:17] his mercy and grace.
[02:34:20] So that when they look on me whom they
[02:34:23] have pierced, this just said that these
[02:34:27] people, these the Israelites pierced
[02:34:30] God.
[02:34:32] How in the world
[02:34:33] >> can that be
[02:34:34] >> can they can God get pierced?
[02:34:39] It's not unless
[02:34:41] he takes on a human form and comes
[02:34:45] and then gives himself up to be pierced.
[02:34:49] Yeah, that makes sense.
[02:34:51] >> So, you have the prophets, God revealing
[02:34:55] that this Messiah, this person I've been
[02:34:57] telling you guys about, this suffering
[02:34:59] servant, this one who's coming to have
[02:35:02] the sins placed on him and give his soul
[02:35:05] as an offering for guilt. This isn't
[02:35:07] just some mere man, some mere messenger
[02:35:10] because I share my glory with no one.
[02:35:14] >> Salvation does not go to anyone except
[02:35:16] me. God is the only one who can offer
[02:35:19] salvation. So what does he do? He comes
[02:35:21] in human form. He takes on flesh and
[02:35:24] offers himself to be pierced on our
[02:35:26] behalf.
[02:35:28] It's not just a mere man. It's God in
[02:35:30] the flesh.
[02:35:32] This is what the prophets are teaching.
[02:35:35] This is before the New Testament, before
[02:35:37] we get to Paul or anybody else. This is
[02:35:40] the Oh, these are the prophets. This is
[02:35:42] what they're teaching. And last but not
[02:35:45] least, here's Jesus in the NGO in the
[02:35:47] gospel. Luke 24. This is after his
[02:35:50] resurrection. He visited some of the
[02:35:52] disciples. They were on the road to
[02:35:53] Emmas and they were some of them were
[02:35:55] sad. They were sad that Jesus died. And
[02:35:58] so he comes to them. He's like, "Man, I
[02:36:00] already told y'all this was going to
[02:36:01] happen." Watch what he says. says, "Now
[02:36:03] he said to them, these are my words
[02:36:06] which I spoke to you while I was still
[02:36:08] with you, that all things which are
[02:36:11] written about me in the law of Moses,
[02:36:14] the Torah, and the prophets, Isaiah,
[02:36:17] Zachchariah, what we just saw, and the
[02:36:19] Psalms of David must be fulfilled." Then
[02:36:24] he opened their minds to understand the
[02:36:26] scriptures and he said to them, "Thus it
[02:36:28] is written that the Christ should suffer
[02:36:32] and rise again from the dead on the
[02:36:34] third day." Jesus says, "I fulfilled it
[02:36:39] all." I told you guys this was going to
[02:36:41] happen. The prophets told you guys this
[02:36:43] was going to happen. We are living in
[02:36:45] the fulfillment. And I told you guys
[02:36:47] this before it took place.
[02:36:49] >> Yeah. Clear as day.
[02:36:51] >> Yep.
[02:36:52] What do you think?
[02:36:54] >> So, yeah, obviously this all is very
[02:36:56] clear and um but I know I already know
[02:36:59] what Muslims are going to say. They're
[02:37:01] like, "Yeah, but those um scriptures are
[02:37:04] corrupted and that information is
[02:37:06] incorrect."
[02:37:08] >> It's a cop out, right?
[02:37:10] >> Yeah. Um but however um how would you
[02:37:14] basically if so like if um Jesus is the
[02:37:17] way, the truth and the life uh and the
[02:37:20] only way through God, how how would you
[02:37:22] explain the rise of Islam and Muhammad
[02:37:25] and his message which is still so
[02:37:27] present at large to this day? Um
[02:37:30] >> warned about that. He taught about that.
[02:37:33] >> Excellent.
[02:37:34] >> He prophesied that that would be the
[02:37:35] case, didn't he?
[02:37:37] >> Yep. Let me show you, brother.
[02:37:40] >> Okay. But but Muhammad is not teaching
[02:37:42] all bad things. Basically like worship
[02:37:44] one god and do good towards people.
[02:37:46] >> That's the best way to lie, isn't it? To
[02:37:48] tell most of the truth and then sprinkle
[02:37:50] in lies.
[02:37:52] >> Some truth with with some lies.
[02:37:54] >> Nobody would believe just a flatout lie.
[02:37:57] You have to sprinkle some truth in there
[02:37:59] to get people to believe.
[02:38:02] >> That's why Muhammad came saying
[02:38:04] everything I'm telling you, everything
[02:38:06] that was revealed to me matches what was
[02:38:08] with the previous prophets. But when you
[02:38:10] go look, it doesn't.
[02:38:13] >> Okay. Yeah.
[02:38:15] >> So look here. This is um this is Jesus
[02:38:18] and he talks about
[02:38:21] these type of times where
[02:38:24] uh prophets or false prophets will come
[02:38:27] come about claiming to be in line with
[02:38:30] him. Um claiming to be sent by God. Um
[02:38:34] and he says that they will be act they
[02:38:36] will actually be successful. Watch. This
[02:38:38] is Matthew chapter 24. It says, uh, "And
[02:38:42] at that time many will fall away and
[02:38:45] will betray one another and hate one
[02:38:46] another." Verse 11, "Many false prophets
[02:38:49] will arise and will deceive many." You
[02:38:52] see,
[02:38:53] >> these false prophets will arise. And he
[02:38:55] said they they're going to be
[02:38:57] successful. They will deceive many.
[02:39:01] And because lawlessness is multiplied,
[02:39:03] most people's love will grow cold. But
[02:39:05] the one who endures to the end will be
[02:39:08] saved. And this gospel of the kingdom
[02:39:11] shall be proclaimed in the whole world
[02:39:13] as a witness to all the nations and then
[02:39:16] the end will come. So Jesus tells us
[02:39:18] already, do not be surprised when there
[02:39:22] are false prophets arising and gaining
[02:39:24] numbers, being successful. Muhammad is
[02:39:28] one of them. Joseph Smith is another
[02:39:31] one. Have you heard of Joseph Smith
[02:39:32] before?
[02:39:32] >> Yeah. With the Mormon
[02:39:34] >> Joseph Smith. Yep. Exactly. The Mormon
[02:39:36] faith are huge. Huge. Very successful.
[02:39:39] He de he successfully deceived many and
[02:39:42] there are many others. Um have you have
[02:39:45] you heard of have you seen some of those
[02:39:46] people coming out claiming to be Jesus
[02:39:48] and stuff?
[02:39:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course.
[02:39:50] >> And and some of them even made the news
[02:39:52] because of the large following they've
[02:39:54] gotten and stuff like that. Like it
[02:39:57] these people are successful. Jesus tells
[02:39:59] us.
[02:40:00] >> Yep. Mom is not the only one. He's not
[02:40:02] special.
[02:40:02] >> Yep. Charles TA Russell of the Jehovah's
[02:40:05] Witnesses started the Jehovah's Witness
[02:40:07] organization
[02:40:08] as their leader. Many false prophets
[02:40:11] will come into the world and deceive
[02:40:14] many.
[02:40:15] >> Can I can I be honest with you guys?
[02:40:18] >> Sure.
[02:40:18] >> Um, honestly, like I said, I I grew up
[02:40:22] Muslim, but there were always a lot of
[02:40:23] things that were conflicting with me
[02:40:24] about Islam. But like I said, I'm a
[02:40:27] genuine guy and I'm not afraid to
[02:40:29] challenge what claims to be the truth.
[02:40:32] And there were always a few things that
[02:40:33] bothered me with Islam, like Muhammad's
[02:40:35] marriage to a 9-year-old girl. And no
[02:40:38] matter how you twist it, it doesn't seem
[02:40:41] right. You know, you can say, "Oh, she
[02:40:42] was 18 or she was not the 9year-old like
[02:40:46] we know the 9 year olds of today." Um,
[02:40:50] and um, and also like for example, the
[02:40:53] the Islamic prayer which has to be done
[02:40:55] in Arabic also didn't seem to really
[02:40:57] make sense to me because I am originally
[02:41:00] a Dutch guy. Um, and when I pray in when
[02:41:04] I was praying in Arabic, um, it didn't
[02:41:07] feel like I have a genuine connection
[02:41:08] with God. It was basically do it out of
[02:41:11] fear because if you don't do it, you
[02:41:13] will go to to hell. And, um, yeah. So,
[02:41:17] when I read the message of Jesus and the
[02:41:20] way he um, what he taught about God and
[02:41:23] how to pray and worship, it seemed like
[02:41:25] a much more natural way for all of
[02:41:28] mankind to basically worship God.
[02:41:32] Amen.
[02:41:33] >> Amen.
[02:41:34] >> So then why are you still a Muslim,
[02:41:36] brother, after all this and even with
[02:41:37] your own problems?
[02:41:39] >> Well, to be honest, it's it's all it's
[02:41:40] it's still a large part of being
[02:41:42] brainwashed, basically. I can admit
[02:41:44] that.
[02:41:45] >> Um, and it's it's fearful to I mean, as
[02:41:49] a Muslim, you're supposed to love Jesus
[02:41:52] and accept Jesus, but then again, they
[02:41:54] place Muhammad above Jesus.
[02:41:56] >> Yeah. which kind of doesn't make sense
[02:41:58] because even Muslims believe Jesus will
[02:42:01] uh return. Um
[02:42:04] but yeah, I think it's mostly the idea
[02:42:07] that have been that Muslims have been
[02:42:09] taught like Jesus cannot be the son of
[02:42:11] God because how could God have a son and
[02:42:13] the whole thing but
[02:42:16] yeah I mean a lot of um teachings about
[02:42:20] Jesus or or what Jesus taught or how he
[02:42:22] about his life seems just like the
[02:42:24] perfect mess from God basically to be
[02:42:27] honest.
[02:42:28] >> Yep. That's what we have. That's what we
[02:42:30] have in Jesus. We have a perfect
[02:42:33] representative
[02:42:34] and uh a perfect example. The way that
[02:42:38] Jesus came, he came like no other and
[02:42:41] there will be no other. The way that he
[02:42:44] came, the the authority that he spoke
[02:42:45] with, the clarity that he spoke with, um
[02:42:48] the truth that he brought by claiming to
[02:42:51] be the truth himself.
[02:42:53] I mean this this man the it is such a
[02:42:56] disservice to Christ to relegate him to
[02:43:00] a mere messenger.
[02:43:02] >> It's it's such a disservice to him. He
[02:43:04] is not just a mere messenger. I mean
[02:43:07] look listen to the claims of Jesus. He
[02:43:09] says this is one of my favorite verses
[02:43:11] to share with non-Christians especially
[02:43:13] the ones who are in cults like Islam or
[02:43:16] Jehovah's Witnesses and stuff like that.
[02:43:18] Jesus says let not your hearts be
[02:43:21] troubled. This is John 14:1. Let not
[02:43:24] your hearts be troubled. Believe in God,
[02:43:28] believe also in me. Now imagine that you
[02:43:32] don't ever see the prophets prior to
[02:43:35] this, prior to Christ ever speaking in
[02:43:37] such a way. It's always believe in
[02:43:40] Yahweh, follow the scripture, follow the
[02:43:42] Torah, follow the law, believe in
[02:43:43] Yahweh, hear the words of the Lord.
[02:43:45] Jesus says, "Believe in God, believe
[02:43:49] also in me." And then he goes on to give
[02:43:51] a promise. He says, 'In my father's
[02:43:53] house are many rooms. If it were not so,
[02:43:56] I would not tell you that I'm going away
[02:43:59] to prepare a place for you. And when I
[02:44:02] prepare the place for you, I'm going to
[02:44:04] come back and take you to myself. That's
[02:44:06] what he says.
[02:44:08] >> It's not a mere man.
[02:44:11] >> He came like no other the first time,
[02:44:14] and he will come like no other when he
[02:44:16] comes again.
[02:44:17] >> Yeah, you can't deny.
[02:44:18] >> Then it'll be too late.
[02:44:21] So
[02:44:22] >> yeah, it's it's obvious he's just a mere
[02:44:24] man or just a basic simple messenger.
[02:44:27] >> Yep. Exactly. So Jesus saying he's the
[02:44:31] way, he's the truth, he's the life.
[02:44:33] Jesus saying this is the will of my
[02:44:35] father that all look on the son and
[02:44:38] whoever believes in him will have
[02:44:39] eternal life. And he says and I will
[02:44:41] raise him up on the last day. him saying
[02:44:44] that the father judges no one but has
[02:44:47] committed all judgment to the son so
[02:44:50] that all may honor the son the same way
[02:44:53] they honor the father
[02:44:56] what you mean it the same honor which
[02:45:00] includes worship right because honor is
[02:45:02] in the way that you worship is included
[02:45:04] in how you honor God right he says the
[02:45:07] same honor you give to the father the
[02:45:09] same honor you give to God you give to
[02:45:10] Either
[02:45:13] Jesus is blaspheing, he's a blasphemous
[02:45:16] lunatic, or he's God in the flesh,
[02:45:20] second person of the Trinity, distinct
[02:45:22] from the father, yet one in essence with
[02:45:24] the father.
[02:45:26] >> Yeah, that makes sense. Yep. That's the
[02:45:29] gospel, brother. And he tells us,
[02:45:32] "Whoever believes in me will not be put
[02:45:35] to shame." And what do you say to them
[02:45:37] to those Muslims who say like, "But how
[02:45:39] do you know Jesus really said that and
[02:45:41] maybe those messages are corrupted?"
[02:45:44] Brother, look look at what I took you
[02:45:46] through. Prophecy.
[02:45:49] If they're going to tell me that all of
[02:45:52] this is corrupted, they're going to have
[02:45:54] to come up with some valid true reason
[02:45:58] why there are multiple prophets,
[02:46:02] so-called prophets, or let's say they're
[02:46:04] not even, we don't know who wrote these,
[02:46:05] right? Okay, fine. So the document of
[02:46:08] Genesis, the document of the Psalm 22,
[02:46:11] the document of Isaiah 53, the document
[02:46:14] of Zechariah 12:10
[02:46:16] explain to us why they all point to and
[02:46:20] describe what happens to Jesus. Why?
[02:46:24] How? How is that possible? If it's all a
[02:46:26] corruption, it's not a revelation from
[02:46:28] God. How the heck are people from
[02:46:31] different generations, different
[02:46:33] continents, different walks of life, and
[02:46:36] different times
[02:46:38] are saying the same thing, have the same
[02:46:40] constant thread, and then what they talk
[02:46:42] about happens? How?
[02:46:45] What's your explanation?
[02:46:47] >> Right? So, they're going to have to
[02:46:50] they're going to have to bring an
[02:46:52] alternative. This is the the the the the
[02:46:54] evidence points to divine revelation,
[02:46:57] prophecy, which is why we can trust that
[02:47:01] this is true because God's fingerprint
[02:47:04] is prophecy.
[02:47:05] >> God challenges in the book of Isaiah, he
[02:47:07] challenges the false gods. He says,
[02:47:08] "Challenge them." He says, "Tell your
[02:47:11] gods to tell the end from the beginning
[02:47:14] like me.
[02:47:16] >> Tell the tell it tell it before it
[02:47:18] happens like I do." He challenges the
[02:47:21] false idols to do that. Why? Because
[02:47:23] that is the fingerprint of God. Nobody
[02:47:27] can tell the end from the beginning in
[02:47:29] detail.
[02:47:32] The only all knowing, all powerful God
[02:47:33] can do that. I accept Jesus Christ as my
[02:47:36] Lord and Savior.
[02:47:38] >> Bro, we didn't even have to ask you.
[02:47:42] >> You can deny with the truth and and
[02:47:44] logic and you can be stubborn all you
[02:47:46] want it and twist and turn and however
[02:47:49] you want, but the truth is just obvious.
[02:47:51] And you can tonight the truth.
[02:47:54] >> Praise God, man. Wow.
[02:47:55] >> Glory to God.
[02:47:57] >> Wow, man. God bless you, man. That's ex
[02:48:00] That is so exciting, man.
[02:48:02] >> Heaven is celebrating,
[02:48:03] >> man. Wow. God is so good. God is so
[02:48:06] good. This is what happens, ladies and
[02:48:07] gentlemen. This is what happens when you
[02:48:10] allow God to speak. You listen, and you
[02:48:14] follow. You obey.
[02:48:16] You obey.
[02:48:18] This is what happens when you go and
[02:48:20] read the previous scriptures.
[02:48:22] >> Yep. When you look at the prophets, you
[02:48:26] read the prophets, and you follow the
[02:48:28] message of the prophets, it all leads to
[02:48:30] Christ.
[02:48:32] And this is the result. He brings you
[02:48:34] into the truth, man. God bless you,
[02:48:37] Muslim guy. What What What's your
[02:48:40] >> what's your what's your Well, what can I
[02:48:41] call you, man? I don't know if you want
[02:48:43] to put your real name out there, but
[02:48:44] what can I What can I call you? Because
[02:48:45] you ain't Muslim no more. Adam.
[02:48:48] >> Adam.
[02:48:49] >> Adam. Okay.
[02:48:50] >> God bless you.
[02:48:51] >> Nice to meet you, Adam.
[02:48:52] >> Thank you for sharing your journey with
[02:48:54] me and uh thank you for having me on and
[02:48:56] I will um yeah continue in the Christian
[02:48:59] faith and
[02:49:01] >> um take my steps towards uh towards
[02:49:04] Jesus basically in the in the Christian
[02:49:06] faith and
[02:49:08] >> absolutely.
[02:49:09] >> Yeah. Absolutely, brother. So yeah, f
[02:49:11] try try to find I don't I don't know if
[02:49:12] you got churches around you, but
[02:49:14] >> try try to Yeah. Try to find a church.
[02:49:17] Try to find a church, a good Bible
[02:49:18] teaching, Bible believing church, right?
[02:49:20] Uh get a community of believers. Get
[02:49:23] baptized. Go get baptized, man. And uh
[02:49:26] and yeah, like you said, continue this
[02:49:28] walk with Christ. He sanctifies you.
[02:49:30] He's going to purify you. He's going to
[02:49:32] keep molding you into his image. Okay.
[02:49:34] So, welcome to the family, man.
[02:49:36] >> Welcome. God bless.
[02:49:37] >> Thank you so much.
[02:49:38] >> God bless you.
[02:49:39] >> Hope we see you again. Any questions or
[02:49:41] anything you have, come back.
[02:49:43] >> Thank you. I appreciate you so much. and
[02:49:45] you're a beautiful couple. God bless
[02:49:47] you.
[02:49:47] >> Thanks, brother. God bless.
[02:49:51] >> Wow.
[02:49:53] >> Well, um we still got uh the young
[02:49:56] brother Islam is the truth on stage.
[02:49:58] What What do you think, man? What are
[02:49:59] your thoughts?
[02:50:02] >> This was a very interesting
[02:50:05] um encounter. This is very interesting.
[02:50:09] >> Yeah.
[02:50:11] A good interesting or a bad interesting?
[02:50:16] >> It was both.
[02:50:17] >> Oh, come on.
[02:50:19] >> Both.
[02:50:21] >> What? What was the bad part
[02:50:25] >> that he left?
[02:50:28] >> Oh,
[02:50:28] >> he lost a brother.
[02:50:30] >> But did you see did you see why?
[02:50:34] Did you see why? It wasn't it wasn't out
[02:50:36] of ignorance. He saw what the prophets
[02:50:39] taught.
[02:50:40] >> I I know. I know.
[02:50:43] I know. I saw him.
[02:50:45] >> So, what what what do you think about
[02:50:46] what the prophets taught? Did you see
[02:50:48] how all the prophets are kind of are
[02:50:50] pointing to the same thing?
[02:50:53] >> The pro all the prophets that came have
[02:50:56] pointed to one God
[02:51:00] >> and so has Muhammad.
[02:51:02] >> Okay. So, look, I'll tell you what, cuz
[02:51:04] I have to get going. I have to get
[02:51:05] going. I just have I just have one thing
[02:51:07] I wanted to tell from before.
[02:51:10] >> Wait, what? Just really quick because I
[02:51:11] I I literally have to end this now
[02:51:13] because I got to go to another stream.
[02:51:14] But listen, I'm going to be live um
[02:51:17] what's today? Monday. I'll be live
[02:51:19] Wednesday again. Okay. Please come back
[02:51:22] Wednesday, same time. Uh when I see you,
[02:51:24] I'll let you up. You you'll have
[02:51:26] priority when I see you. Okay.
[02:51:27] >> Yeah.
[02:51:28] >> And you can um share what what you
[02:51:30] wanted to share and we we'll talk some
[02:51:31] more. We'll finish what we t what we
[02:51:32] started. Okay.
[02:51:33] >> Okay.
[02:51:34] >> Okay. All right. You have a good rest of
[02:51:36] your day, man. God bless you. Thank you
[02:51:37] for joining us.
[02:51:39] >> Thank you.
[02:51:40] >> All right. God bless.
[02:51:42] >> All right, guys. Um, I have to go to
[02:51:44] Inspiring Philosophy stream because he
[02:51:47] wants to show off his little debate that
[02:51:49] he had the one v4 against the Muslims.
[02:51:53] >> So, he wants to uh
[02:51:54] >> I had the pleasure of being there in
[02:51:57] person and watching him cook.
[02:51:59] >> Yeah.
[02:52:00] >> My god. Today IP was on one. I've never
[02:52:04] seen that kind of energy from him. He
[02:52:06] brought it and he cooked all four of
[02:52:08] them at once.
[02:52:09] >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Um can you go through
[02:52:12] some the sup some super chats? Uh let's
[02:52:15] try to get to let's try to get through a
[02:52:17] chunk before we switch on over.
[02:52:19] >> So I just
[02:52:20] >> All you got to do is go go to the ones
[02:52:22] that are not faded.
[02:52:24] >> Um not faded. Let's see.
[02:52:28] >> So you see how like uh the letters are a
[02:52:30] little bit more bold black. Mhm.
[02:52:32] >> The bold black. And then when you go
[02:52:34] when you go up a bit, you can see you
[02:52:36] see how it's faded versus this.
[02:52:38] >> Oh, sure. Yeah. Barely a difference, but
[02:52:41] it shows you.
[02:52:42] >> Okay. You can see how
[02:52:43] >> I can see how.
[02:52:43] >> All right. So, that's the next one.
[02:52:45] Yeah.
[02:52:46] >> All right. Have uh have either of you
[02:52:48] come across a Muslim defending the BCA
[02:52:52] worldwide dating system. Just curious to
[02:52:55] know their argument. God bless you both.
[02:52:57] I certainly haven't heard that. Do you
[02:52:59] know? I never I don't even know what
[02:53:00] they talking about. Nope.
[02:53:01] >> BC A D. Hm. That'd be tough for a Muslim
[02:53:05] to use.
[02:53:06] >> Do you know what that is?
[02:53:08] >> Well, BC and AD is like before Christ
[02:53:11] after his death, like how time was split
[02:53:13] around the crucifixion.
[02:53:14] >> I'm trying to figure out how that would
[02:53:16] help a Muslim. But no, Mrs. Kelly, we uh
[02:53:19] we are not familiar with that one.
[02:53:21] >> Yeah, we Yeah, I haven't heard I haven't
[02:53:22] heard a Muslim give a give a point on
[02:53:25] that. I don't see how that I don't see
[02:53:28] how. Um, let's see. Allah must stop the
[02:53:32] hypotheticals, man. He is not good at
[02:53:34] it.
[02:53:36] You know what? They those hypotheticals
[02:53:38] do tend to backfire against him. That's
[02:53:40] true.
[02:53:41] >> Let me just take this real quick.
[02:53:42] >> You just took the mouse.
[02:53:43] >> I sure did. That's right.
[02:53:46] >> Well, then how am I supposed to read the
[02:53:47] next super chat?
[02:53:49] >> Sorry. Just let me just do that. All
[02:53:51] right. Go ahead. What do you think?
[02:53:53] >> I can't read the super chat if I don't
[02:53:56] have the mouse.
[02:53:58] >> So, what is that saying that I need?
[02:54:03] >> All right, let's see here.
[02:54:08] Are we supposed to not sin out of love
[02:54:11] of God, not from fear of punishment?
[02:54:13] Just like we respect parents out of
[02:54:15] love, not their punishment.
[02:54:17] >> Mashallah.
[02:54:19] Yeah, but apparently with Allah, if you
[02:54:21] do sin, you're going to get punished.
[02:54:25] >> You're taking the mouse again?
[02:54:26] >> No, sorry, but I'm taking this one. We
[02:54:28] got We got to move faster.
[02:54:30] >> I'm sorry. You're the one who
[02:54:34] >> he's tough, y'all. You see, y'all see
[02:54:35] how strict he is,
[02:54:36] >> Logic? I just want to say thank you for
[02:54:38] the content. It's helped me in my
[02:54:40] relationship with God and making my way
[02:54:42] back. Love from St. Louis.
[02:54:45] >> Awesome. Awesome. as someone who has a
[02:54:48] dog and wants to get a cat. Also, here
[02:54:51] is my Jizia for the Lady Logic Cat Fund.
[02:54:56] Praise God for all your hard work.
[02:54:58] >> God bless you, Mike. Thank you, Mike.
[02:55:01] >> Oh my gosh. It's obvious that Christina
[02:55:03] is a woman after your own heart, but
[02:55:05] inquiring minds want to know. When did
[02:55:08] you know definitely definitively that
[02:55:11] she was exceptional? XOXO. Lady Logic.
[02:55:15] Thank you, Red P.
[02:55:16] >> Um, I knew immediately.
[02:55:18] I'm not gonna lie to you. Yes, I I knew
[02:55:20] immediately the the one the fact that
[02:55:22] she uh had these interests. Um, we uh we
[02:55:26] we hopped into like a little chat in on
[02:55:29] Clubhouse when we were watching some
[02:55:31] people have a really deep philosophical
[02:55:33] debate and we were interacting there and
[02:55:37] I was like, "Yeah, she she's special."
[02:55:40] >> A babe,
[02:55:40] >> she's something special.
[02:55:41] >> You're making me blush.
[02:55:43] >> God bless. Thank you, Nova.
[02:55:45] I be hearing Muslims say we still have
[02:55:47] the original Quran or it's the it's the
[02:55:49] verbatim word of God and then excuse
[02:55:52] changes with abrogation not realizing
[02:55:55] that's an oxymoron by definition.
[02:55:57] >> Man oh man
[02:56:00] >> I'm in late but but is it possible to
[02:56:02] also read that the master doesn't
[02:56:05] actually know when he is coming home
[02:56:08] because he hasn't decided yet to then be
[02:56:11] able to declare it. father knows the end
[02:56:14] but leaves that to himself. No,
[02:56:17] >> it doesn't work in context because he's
[02:56:19] telling them to be ready because they
[02:56:21] don't know. So, he wouldn't be
[02:56:23] undecided.
[02:56:24] >> Yeah.
[02:56:25] >> And then of course the rest of the
[02:56:26] context of the Bible where he does know.
[02:56:29] >> Anyone who know who this Avery person is
[02:56:32] and why he's on Lady Logic's live. This
[02:56:35] is getting out of hand.
[02:56:36] >> I know. In my office on my live.
[02:56:39] >> Been using Get the Virus at church.
[02:56:42] Thanks for that. God bless you and Lady
[02:56:44] Logic GL. I'm thankful for your
[02:56:46] ministry. Amen. Amen.
[02:56:48] >> For the ministry. Love you. Love how you
[02:56:50] handle uh each interaction. Keep up the
[02:56:53] good work. God bless you. Thank you.
[02:56:54] >> We were blessed today with some awesome,
[02:56:56] wonderful, amazing guests.
[02:56:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
[02:57:00] >> Glory to God.
[02:57:00] >> Holy Spirit really moved in this live
[02:57:02] stream.
[02:57:02] >> Really?
[02:57:03] >> The Logic family better than the
[02:57:05] Winslows. Hey,
[02:57:06] >> who that?
[02:57:07] >> You don't know family matters. The
[02:57:10] Winslows. Oh yeah.
[02:57:12] >> Young y'all. That's a young millennial.
[02:57:13] >> Of course I know.
[02:57:14] >> That's why I laugh when y'all call him
[02:57:16] Unk. He don't know nothing.
[02:57:17] >> Hey Logic. How do you overcome the
[02:57:19] criticism and attacks that you get from
[02:57:21] spreading the truth? Uh
[02:57:24] >> he laughs at them. Nah, be honest. No,
[02:57:27] I'll answer this one. He genuinely
[02:57:30] thinks they're so funny and then he just
[02:57:32] keeps pressing on.
[02:57:33] >> He laughs and like moves on with his
[02:57:35] life. That's how he deals with
[02:57:37] criticism.
[02:57:39] >> Yeah. So it's the what I was going to
[02:57:41] say was that this question has a has a
[02:57:45] presupposition in it, you know, has an
[02:57:47] assumption that there's something to
[02:57:49] overcome like
[02:57:51] >> there's nothing to overcome when a with
[02:57:53] with people's opinions and criticism.
[02:57:55] >> We count it all joy over here, man.
[02:57:56] >> Yeah. You know,
[02:57:57] >> we find it an honor to suffer with
[02:58:00] Christ.
[02:58:01] >> Was that a question mark?
[02:58:03] >> No. Wow. The tone the tone that which
[02:58:06] you finished that was like to suffer
[02:58:09] with Christ.
[02:58:09] >> I ain't never been hated on so hard.
[02:58:12] >> All right. Go get Go to your own
[02:58:13] channel,
[02:58:14] >> man. I will.
[02:58:15] >> God uh God bless you both. May may
[02:58:19] continue to strengthen your
[02:58:21] >> Hey, everyone makes typos sometimes.
[02:58:23] >> Absolutely. Thank you so much for that.
[02:58:26] Um I got to I got to actually get
[02:58:27] through these. Um I love you, beautiful
[02:58:31] sister. Yes, animals rule. Love you too.
[02:58:34] >> I got cats and dogs. And please don't
[02:58:37] boil shellfish alive. Everyone here.
[02:58:40] >> A Yeah, I got to kill them first then.
[02:58:42] Right.
[02:58:43] >> Right. Kill them first
[02:58:44] >> cuz we going we got to have them crab.
[02:58:46] >> We going to add them. We going look we
[02:58:48] go.
[02:58:50] >> Forgive me sister.
[02:58:51] >> Lady Logic. Watching you hold your own
[02:58:53] against the like of Kora has been a
[02:58:55] thing of beauty. Want to be just like
[02:58:58] you when I grow up. Oh hi Avery.
[02:59:01] >> Thank you so much KM. I appreciate it.
[02:59:03] >> Whatever.
[02:59:05] >> Well, aliens get TSA, too. Just like we
[02:59:08] did after the religion of peace got to
[02:59:10] be with us, too.
[02:59:13] >> Oh, look. Space Dawa is crazy.
[02:59:15] >> Space Dawa is crazy for real.
[02:59:18] >> Islam is the idolatry of Muhammad.
[02:59:20] Changed my mind. That is can't do that.
[02:59:21] >> Great topic.
[02:59:22] >> That is I like that.
[02:59:24] >> Hi, Lady Logic. So, great to see you up
[02:59:27] here cooking. My wife and I got a cat
[02:59:30] some years ago. excited to uh excited to
[02:59:34] see cat logic. Oh, hi Avery.
[02:59:37] >> God bless you and your wife and your cat
[02:59:39] Thomas.
[02:59:42] >> Wow.
[02:59:46] Let's see.
[02:59:48] Let's see. Let's see. Let's see because
[02:59:50] I have to Let's see. Oh, here's a big
[02:59:51] one. Uh Daily Zen Moment says, "Thank
[02:59:54] you. Big super chat." Wow. Thank you for
[02:59:56] everything you do, God Logic and Lady
[02:59:58] Logic. I sent an email with a question a
[03:00:01] few days ago. God bless. Uh if if it's
[03:00:03] with the same
[03:00:05] >> Daily Zen moments, we'll try to find
[03:00:06] that if it's the same one. Um let's see
[03:00:09] here. This is your Amazon delivery
[03:00:12] driver. I'm here with your 13 foot cat
[03:00:15] scratch post and kitty litter. But Jax
[03:00:19] is barking and I'm scared. God bless
[03:00:22] Griff Nation.
[03:00:22] >> Oh man, that is hilarious. I love it.
[03:00:25] Thanks, Michael.
[03:00:26] >> Crazy work. No way. I was asking for a
[03:00:29] duo on her channel last night.
[03:00:32] >> And you will get one on my channel for
[03:00:35] sure and I've got a couple of fun ONES
[03:00:37] PLANNED.
[03:00:37] >> I WAS THERE. I was there in your first
[03:00:39] live stream. What yall
[03:00:40] >> were? But I mean, you know, a call-in
[03:00:42] stream.
[03:00:43] >> All right. Whatever. Uh, we love Lady
[03:00:46] Logic.
[03:00:46] >> Hey, Lady Logic loves you, too.
[03:00:49] >> God bless you both. Glory to Jesus.
[03:00:51] Thank you for the massive inspiration
[03:00:53] and hope to see you soon in Italy for
[03:00:56] some uh
[03:00:58] >> good pizza.
[03:01:00] >> Love you guys. Have a nice stream.
[03:01:02] Christ is king.
[03:01:03] >> Christ is king.
[03:01:04] >> Amen.
[03:01:06] >> Not Avery reading like a Hebrew
[03:01:07] Israelite.
[03:01:08] >> Yep. That's right.
[03:01:09] >> That's right. I had to bring it out
[03:01:11] >> when we get in a Christian only stream.
[03:01:13] My my chief of grifters. Pretty soon.
[03:01:16] Pretty soon.
[03:01:17] >> I will remind him.
[03:01:19] >> Uh let's see. Um,
[03:01:22] Vegeta and Bulma out here cooking up
[03:01:24] family recipes.
[03:01:26] >> Man, that is so funny because Vegeta is
[03:01:28] was Avery's fave growing up
[03:01:30] >> is.
[03:01:30] >> And I love Bulma. So
[03:01:33] >> is my favorite.
[03:01:33] >> Well, I love Bulma in Dragon Ball.
[03:01:36] That's when she was the coolest.
[03:01:38] >> Dragon Ball Z, she got a little crazy.
[03:01:40] >> What?
[03:01:41] >> Yes,
[03:01:42] >> she was uh she was annoying in in Dragon
[03:01:44] Ball, too. But she's
[03:01:45] >> on Namek. She was getting on my nerves.
[03:01:48] >> Okay, but what about after that? That
[03:01:49] girl coming up with with
[03:01:50] >> Yeah. I like
[03:01:52] >> fusing the androids.
[03:01:53] >> I like Future Trunks mom like that
[03:01:55] Bulma.
[03:01:55] >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Question
[03:01:58] for those who think uh Mo was sinless.
[03:02:02] Why did Allah not wipe him from
[03:02:04] existence?
[03:02:06] >> Uh that hadith corrupted.
[03:02:09] Allah ain't paying no child support. He
[03:02:12] a fan of Mor.
[03:02:13] >> Hey, you better say he is not the
[03:02:15] father.
[03:02:17] Praise God. And hallelujah. Adam, we are
[03:02:20] praying for you and continue to be uh
[03:02:23] continue to be disciplehip. Love you
[03:02:25] guys. Amen.
[03:02:26] >> God bless Adam.
[03:02:28] >> God bless y'all. Love you both. Thank
[03:02:30] you. Thank you. You probably get this a
[03:02:32] lot, Avery, but you are an enemy of this
[03:02:34] world influenced by Shayan. First John
[03:02:38] 5:19. Just a reminder to be safe and
[03:02:40] keeping you feeling like Blade. Love
[03:02:44] you, God Logic and Lady Logic. Love you
[03:02:45] too. I love you too. Uh let's see here.
[03:02:49] Listened to your was Jesus a Muslim
[03:02:51] debate. If the word father was
[03:02:53] problematic for Allah given the that the
[03:02:56] Old Testament calls the Messiah God, why
[03:02:59] was the word Messiah not forbidden?
[03:03:01] Boom. Boom.
[03:03:01] >> So you're saying we have to get rid of
[03:03:03] the word Messiah?
[03:03:04] >> Why? Why would you think?
[03:03:05] >> Why would you think? Wish you both love.
[03:03:08] Why can't Muslims wrap their heads
[03:03:10] around the concept of the Trinity?
[03:03:13] Heart and hearts.
[03:03:14] >> Yeah. Once you once you break the walls
[03:03:16] of Islam down, the Trinity becomes
[03:03:17] accessible for them. It's really crazy.
[03:03:18] >> It's not the eyes that are black,
[03:03:20] >> it's the hoods.
[03:03:22] >> Nice to see Lady Logic Cook and Avery
[03:03:24] guest her stream. God bless you both
[03:03:27] family. All right, I'm out of here, man.
[03:03:30] >> I love y'all. I really do. I appreciate
[03:03:32] the support. I really, really do. Y'all
[03:03:34] are so funny.
[03:03:36] >> Avery, you're doing a phenomenal job.
[03:03:38] Avery,
[03:03:38] >> yes, you are.
[03:03:39] >> Avery, uh, uh, good job, man. Lady
[03:03:43] Logic, you as well.
[03:03:44] >> Thank you. You see that one?
[03:03:46] >> Also, please do a stream with Christian
[03:03:48] Prince. Oh, that would be fun.
[03:03:50] >> Oh, y'all would have a blast.
[03:03:52] >> All right. Love you guys. Look, we're
[03:03:53] going over to IP stream right now. So,
[03:03:56] join us. We're going to be reviewing and
[03:03:58] going over the many, many, many, many
[03:04:00] mistakes that the Moot Man made in
[03:04:04] bringing up a five-year-old getting
[03:04:06] pregnant as a defense for Islam
[03:04:09] propagating child marriage. W Itachi in
[03:04:12] the chat.
[03:04:12] >> W It Atachi in the chat, y'all. W
[03:04:14] Itachi. W It Atachi the Muslim
[03:04:17] apologetic. Shout out to them and may
[03:04:19] they grow in their da'wah and be famous
[03:04:21] for Allah.
[03:04:22] >> Please continue on. We support you.
[03:04:27] >> Babe, what's the only thing we do,
[03:04:29] >> man? We just read.
[03:04:31] >> That's it.
[03:04:33] >> WE JUST READ. WE JUST READ.