# Joe Rogan Experience #2443 - Filippo Biondi

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[00:17] Uh, obviously there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work.
[00:21] Uh, we should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about.
[00:23] You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid.
[00:38] And uh incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.
[00:46] Yes.
[00:46] Uh thank you for this invitation.
[00:49] And uh yes the group is composed by Colorado Malanga which is the head of the group and the uh dean professor of chemistry at University of Pisa.
[01:02] Could you explain your background please so people understand?
[01:05] Yes my background is uh this I am a telecommunication engineering.
[01:09] I graduate at the university.
[01:11] What is that word again?
[01:12] Say it again.
[01:13] Telecommunication engineer.
[01:15] Telecommunications engineer. Okay.
[01:15] It's like your your English is excellent but the Italian accent although fabulous sometimes it's difficult to translate.
[01:22] Thank you very much Joe.
[01:25] I'm sorry yes that I'm not mother tongue of English but still much better than my Italian.
[01:30] Okay, thank you.
[01:33] Yes, I graduated myself in university at the University of Leche south of Italy.
[01:38] very nice university and uh it it was it is has the name of a famous mathematic mathematic Italian which is any deeo de Georgie um was living in the era then John was living also and they uh were they
[02:05] were one against to the other and Uh
[02:08] they were they was both um studying the
[02:11] 19 Hilbert pro problem and John um any
[02:16] de Georgie solved this pro this problem
[02:18] one week before John Nash.
[02:21] Ah interesting John Nash who from the
[02:23] famous movie a brilliant mind with
[02:25] Russell Crow.
[02:26] Yes.
[02:26] Yeah.
[02:27] So uh then I performed my PhD at
[02:31] Lasapenza in Rome
[02:33] uh and now I'm here.
[02:33] And how did you get involved in this this discovery?
[02:39] Yes.
[02:39] Uh I worked uh on radar and
[02:44] synthetic radar for a lot of time.
[02:48] Um
[02:48] radar
[02:48] for the Italian military.
[02:51] Right.
[02:51] Some
[02:51] work.
[02:52] Yes.
[02:52] Yes.
[02:52] Some
[02:52] which you can't really talk about.
[02:54] No.
[02:54] Right.
[02:56] Erh
[02:56] and uh I was um
[03:01] involved in some research where um
[03:04] together with uh the Italian research
[03:07] council of Bari always south of Italy.
[03:11] Uh we we was testing some special processing that were able were able to to perform something special.
[03:21] And so this is so this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out try this technology out and this is satellite based technology correct and it's a radio tomography.
[03:37] yes it is something in my personal opinion very simple uh the radar is installed on board on the satellite the satellite flies at in the space uh at distance of 600 kilometers at 7 kilometers/ second in velocity.
[03:58] So while uh it flies along the orbit, it is um able to catch snapshots of the earth.
[04:06] The snapshots has to be focused and this
[04:10] Focusing procedure, let's say it in the azimut.
[04:12] I take it easy in the azimut direction is done by sound by the processing of sound because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency.
[04:24] Uh you know Joe when uh you hear noises that are approaching to you.
[04:29] This noise will rise the frequency because it the the target has a velocity, a posity the velocity with respect to U and so the frequency is rised up.
[04:41] And this procedure uh allow us to estimate or to to grab, let's say the um um vibration information that is always present at the surface of the earth in terms of a vanishment waves that are present on the surface of the earth.
[04:58] So this vi vibration which is mechanical vibration uh carries inside of this the the the information that is located underground.
[05:12] and so we did this.
[05:13] And was it a specific idea?
[05:17] Was it the idea specifically to look under the pyramids or was it something that was discovered accidentally?
[05:23] Okay.
[05:23] Yes.
[05:23] Uh once uh we discovered I we discovered this uh this method uh it was a coincidence that I knew Colorado Malanga and at that time I speak I am we are in 2018 he was studying the pyramids and so we were talking about uh something that uh if if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to to to conclude the research that he was doing.
[05:58] And so uh I proposed him to use my technique and uh we started to work together and so we focused in that time on the pyramids and when was this when was the first
[06:15] Scans?
[06:16] Uh yes in 2019.
[06:16] In 2019.
[06:21] And when you got the data back,
[06:22] did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it?
[06:28] Okay.
[06:28] Uh in let's say that this research is can be divided by two.
[06:36] The first one 1.0 uh we were concentrating research on the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Kaops pyramid to watch inside the pyramid.
[06:45] And so we have uh detailed tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids because that pyramid only one pyramid because we were uh doing that kind of research.
[07:00] Then once we uh discovered things in 2020, we published the peerreview paper and uh we gave uh public the results that we found in inside the kum kum kufu pyramid.
[07:12] We
[07:15] decided to expand our um research in all the the Jiza plateau.
[07:22] Can I stop you there?
[07:24] The when you looked so we know quite a bit about the kufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it.
[07:31] Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?
[07:36] Absolutely.
[07:36] Yes.
[07:39] Because we have detected this uh multi-layer structure that is inside the Kung Kufu pyramid, the so-called Zed.
[07:47] We have discovered it uh uh very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid.
[07:54] And also we discovered it in the new we no we discovered it we we um uh we gave an image also of the other known structures like the gr the grand gallery the grand gallery the grand gallery and then also the queen's chamber and the king's chamber also so
[08:16] and accurate in terms of size and dimension and also position and location.
[08:20] Okay.
[08:23] So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?
[08:27] Yes. uh we decided to focus below the pyramid.
[08:30] Uh because we uh we were our intention was to expand our um research and then also thanks to the third component of the research group which is Armando May.
[08:43] Uh he suggest us to expand our research and scan all the Giza plateau.
[08:51] And so what what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?
[09:01] Yes, in the second part of of our research, we uh started focusing our scans on the Kraer pyramid and uh like Kunum Kufu and then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper.
[09:16] And so when we
[09:19] Did this uh very nice things be began to to appear on our results.
[09:30] What what did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns?
[09:40] Uh I believe they're uh the diameter is 20 m.
[09:42] 20 minutes.
[09:43] So they're huge, enormous columns.
[09:45] Yes.
[09:46] What what what went through your mind?
[09:48] Skepticism.
[09:50] Skepticism. I told for uh also Colorado uh was with me because uh we had those results for uh in our um desk without uh disclosure or anything for 6 months because my my opinion was that was not real.
[10:11] Um I uh I did I was thinking that maybe it was noise or
[10:21] Some artifacts due due by our uh processing procedures.
[10:27] Did give you pause at all that they were so uniform that these columns were in very specific places and that they they lined up there was a uniform gap in between them.
[10:39] Yes.
[10:39] And uh uh why we disclosure this?
[10:43] Because we started to use also other satellites and uh once we uh at at the beginning we were using only the Italian uh satellite system that is it is cosmos kimemed and cosmos kimemed second generation it's very good very precise but uh we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because Joe in research when we have diversity diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we uh were uh searching we were searching confirmation confirmation.
[11:20] So once we had the same
[11:23] results while we were we was using uh American satellites called the Capella space and and also other satellites having always the same results.
[11:35] We decided to disclosure.
[11:36] How many different scans have been done on this area?
[11:39] Two or 300.
[11:43] Two.
[11:43] More than 200.
[11:45] And all with uniform results.
[11:46] Yes.
[11:47] Wow.
[11:48] Yes.
[11:49] There's a lot of resistance to this and it's from the usual characters and it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information.
[12:01] And um unfortunately they are not willing to approach this with an open mind.
[12:08] And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias.
[12:13] They they want this to not be true regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans.
[12:19] And also the fact that this
[12:24] stuff has been proven to work on other things like didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?
[12:36] Yes.
[12:36] Yes, we have a particle collider where I have born in Lula which is located in the center of Italy.
[12:43] At the center of Italy there is a huge mountain called Grand Saso the Grand Saso Italia which is uh has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 m for being precise 2993 m.
[13:07] And so um there there is a a tunnel very very long tunnel about uh 11 12 kilometers and in the core of this mountain there is a particle collider there is a laboratory let's say like that.
[13:20] and this technology got the exact dimensions of this
[13:25] particle collider that's deep in this mountain.
[13:27] Yes at 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.
[13:33] Wow.
[13:34] Yeah.
[13:34] Okay.
[13:34] So, we know it's accurate.
[13:36] We know it works.
[13:36] What do you think it I mean, other than what I said that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information?
[13:42] It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves.
[13:49] What What is What do you think it is that is causing this resistance?
[13:57] Personally, it's true.
[13:57] We found a lot of resistance.
[13:59] Yes, it's true.
[14:01] But personally, I don't know why.
[14:01] Erh, I can say something uh regarding to my personal opinion.
[14:09] Uh Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too huge to to be disclosured like that today.
[14:19] I don't know why it's confusing to people because it's it's essentially paradigm shattering because the pyramids
[14:27] themselves are absolutely spectacular.
[14:29] The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones.
[14:32] The the alignment is to perfect true now, true north, south, east, and west.
[14:37] It's a really incredible accomplishment.
[14:40] Whoever built it and when they built it, it's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the the very least 25,500 BC, probably even older than that.
[14:52] We really don't know.
[14:55] But that alone is spectacular.
[14:58] But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, "We don't know anything.
[15:03] We really don't.
[15:06] We we know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative.
[15:11] The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense because there's there's no hieroglyphs inside of it.
[15:19] It doesn't seem like a tomb.
[15:20] Doesn't look like a tomb."
[15:22] And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work.
[15:24] Yes.
[15:24] Yes.
[15:26] which you know he's an engineer and he said it it appears that
[15:28] this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.
[15:35] Yes in this uh in this context I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dan and uh in in uh um I like a lot his theory and it it makes sense and um and so this discoveries matches a lot with his uh with his and also to other scientists that makes make recast the uh effective purpose of the pyramid not to to be tombs.
[16:07] Today we are sure we are sure or of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs.
[16:12] They're not tombs.
[16:15] And what is truly spectacular is that if if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.
[16:26] That's just the top.
[16:27] And underneath it,
[16:29] you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored.
[16:34] But you have data that shows that.
[16:34] Let's let's look at the images.
[16:39] Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about.
[16:43] Cuz once you see it, you mind just goes, "Okay, what are we even talking about?"
[16:47] Like, what was this civilization?
[16:50] When did it exist?
[16:53] And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that it it is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.
[17:11] Yes, I agree with you Joe because what we found it is something that is has been confirmed by by our measurements and at the moment I suppose that our measurements are the only are the only data that we have because there aren't other other data.
[17:29] So
[17:31] uh what we are uh observing we are we are observing principally vertical structure.
[17:38] This vertical structures has a a pattern a regular pattern and this regular pattern is uh um uh constituted by a so-called spiral nature.
[17:48] I found this and okay so what are we looking at here?
[17:55] These are that's the right one.
[17:56] Yes.
[17:57] Yeah.
[17:59] Okay. Yes. That is the cafrey pyramid.
[17:59] And you see Joe at the top of the tomography.
[18:04] The tomography is on the x.
[18:04] Uh so the horizontal dimension we have the space.
[18:11] Okay.
[18:11] Space adjust the range and on the vertical we have the depth.
[18:17] Okay.
[18:18] Okay. On the top we have the um uh the the the pyramid.
[18:22] You see you see the pyramid on the top.
[18:24] And while you go down, you are observing the structures
[18:31] that are going down.
[18:34] And look, you have the spiral nature of the of the of the structures.
[18:38] Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen.
[18:40] So, what are Let me see some other images.
[18:43] Um, because this is just one, right?
[18:48] I know.
[18:50] That's what this was from his presentation and I didn't know where to get the best from it.
[18:53] Back up one.
[18:55] So go go go.
[18:58] Okay. Again we have a lot of images here that that is requesting all the uh the research that we have done together.
[19:07] So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replica.
[19:12] Pull up some more of those.
[19:15] Yeah.
[19:16] Get them off the web.
[19:19] Okay. Um some of the images online are recreations of what it is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath.
[19:25] Correct.
[19:27] Uh we have performed measurements and
[19:31] they are sound measurements that are that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites.
[19:37] So they are very precise and they are coherent.
[19:43] A coherent it means that contains a lot of information.
[19:45] So it is uh characterized to have high entropy and so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion we can see what there is underneath.
[19:59] Okay.
[20:04] So this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like.
[20:06] Yes.
[20:06] And how are you getting that from the image that's below that?
[20:10] Okay.
[20:11] So the image is just one aspect of the data.
[20:13] Correct.
[20:16] Yes, the imag this this this multicolored image.
[20:19] Okay, here we are observing inside the Cafra pyramid and inside the Cafra pyramid uh we are observing those structure there.
[20:25] The the those are
[20:32] inside the Cafra pyramid
[20:36] and the image above
[20:38] yes
[20:38] that is an artist recreation of what you
[20:41] think it looks like. Now, how did you
[20:43] make that determination that that's what
[20:44] it looks like?
[20:45] Okay. Um
[20:48] uh the uh 3D model has been has been um
[20:53] retrived not um observing just only one
[20:57] result but observing a lot of results.
[21:01] So putting on a table all the results
[21:04] that we have we were able to retrive so
[21:08] to facilitate people to read our
[21:11] measurements. Okay. So observing the
[21:14] results we were able to uh determine the
[21:18] spirals and the uh structures that are
[21:22] located starting from the base of the
[21:25] caf pyramid going down.
[21:26] I've seen other images of the scans that
[21:28] are more convincing than the one that's
[21:30] below. So, let's see if we can find some
[21:31] of those.
[21:34] What are they? What else do you have
[21:36] here?
[21:37] Yes, these are all images that are
[21:39] related to the first uh
[21:41] So, this is just an article that's in
[21:42] the news.
[21:43] Okay.
[21:43] Yeah, I just I mean, I even went here. I
[21:49] um what is like where's a a good place
[21:52] to get the best versions of these
[21:54] images? Like that right there. Okay.
[21:57] It's just kind of
[21:58] Okay. What is this? Okay. Uh here we are
[22:01] watching a wide area of of our
[22:04] tomographies. Look and we see the
[22:06] structures that are going down.
[22:07] Yes. This is much clearer.
[22:09] Yes.
[22:10] Okay. And
[22:11] and below the below the structure at the
[22:13] end of the structures there are huge
[22:16] chambers but they are really huge
[22:19] approximately having a uh a width and
[22:23] the length and the height of 80 80 m. So
[22:28] 80 meter structures that are below all
[22:31] of this.
[22:32] Yes.
[22:32] So almost the size of a football field
[22:35] below all this. That is some sort of a
[22:37] chamber.
[22:38] Yeah.
[22:39] And um see see if you can find some
[22:41] other images, Jamie.
[22:43] So the coils,
[22:47] how did you determine that there was
[22:49] coils? Is it just because of the gaps
[22:51] that you see in the imagery? whether
[22:54] they come in this uniform pattern
[22:55] pattern that I I have
[22:59] two or three slides on my presentation
[23:01] where we find the coils.
[23:04] Okay, let's see if we can find those
[23:05] slides.
[23:06] You know which you know which slide
[23:07] maybe
[23:08] if you go down please. Yeah. Uh wait a
[23:11] minute.
[23:13] Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can
[23:17] observe a regular pattern. So not uh not
[23:20] coils. And we and we go we go down
[23:25] please. Okay. Regular pattern. And the
[23:28] coils are beginning to be seen there on
[23:31] the third image
[23:33] here. Regular pattern. Go down please.
[23:37] And here. This is in my personal opinion
[23:40] uh the fourth image uh from the uh left
[23:46] to the right. The fifth image. One, two,
[23:48] three. Four. The fourth image. I'm
[23:49] sorry. where you have a core at the at
[23:54] the center of the the the coil at the at
[23:59] the center of the the structure and then
[24:03] we have
[24:05] a something that spirals down.
[24:09] So has anybody speculated about what
[24:12] this could possibly be like what these
[24:14] coils are?
[24:15] Yes. erh I spoke with uh uh two
[24:20] independent with let's say with some
[24:23] independent researchers and uh uh
[24:26] especially with Christopher Dan and uh
[24:30] um
[24:32] and also uh I spoke also with Jeffrey
[24:36] that uh is uh uh considering also the
[24:41] Giza power plant like a chemical reactor
[24:44] or something like that. So we have on
[24:46] one side uh
[24:49] uh uh scientists that say okay it can be
[24:53] something related to electricity or or
[24:56] we have something related to chemical
[24:59] chemicals or other things in my personal
[25:02] opinion me I can see anything I can say
[25:06] anything because I just measured what
[25:09] there is there so it is not my how you
[25:13] say my my job to do this my job is okay
[25:17] here we have the measurements and now we
[25:20] have to see what there is inside my in
[25:22] my personal opinion this is the right um
[25:27] time
[25:28] to say okay let's go be let's go there
[25:32] and see what there is
[25:33] let's start digging
[25:34] yes
[25:35] yeah um pull up some more images please
[25:36] Jamie um so
[25:38] yes this is very important if you want I
[25:40] can I can tell you about this
[25:43] okay because It is uh the very important
[25:47] u project research project that uh I am
[25:52] working now and it is something that if
[25:56] could be possible we can go there and
[25:58] without digging anything we can go
[26:02] below. Why? Because uh belonging between
[26:07] the Sphinx and the Cafra pyramid, there
[26:10] are some shafts. And there there are the
[26:14] photos of the shafts where we can go in
[26:17] Sidto and we can uh physically go there
[26:21] and see and watch those shafts.
[26:25] Currently the shafts are
[26:28] blocked by debris and there is also
[26:31] rubbish inside. So we uh I performed I
[26:37] performed a lot of scans at at those
[26:40] shafts and you see jaw the sha the the
[26:43] shafts goes down down down down down and
[26:46] they reach
[26:48] chambers that are below
[26:50] and that is the doc doppler tomography
[26:52] readings. Yes.
[26:53] So these shafts go down. How far do they
[26:55] go down?
[26:56] Yes, they go down approximately 600 m.
[27:00] 600 m. Wow. Yes.
[27:03] So 600 m down and then they reach a
[27:06] chamber.
[27:06] Yes.
[27:07] What is the conventional explanation for
[27:09] these shafts? Is there one
[27:12] like what is what what do current
[27:14] archaeologists what does academia what
[27:16] do they think these things are? Leave
[27:17] that right there for a second.
[27:18] Yes. Yes. This is the complete 3D model
[27:21] that me and Colorado did. And uh so to
[27:25] uh observe all the structures that we
[27:28] have find that we found um
[27:33] evaluating
[27:35] the tomographies that we have done on
[27:38] the Jiza plateau.
[27:39] So it's not just under the great
[27:42] pyramid, it's under all three pyramids
[27:44] and also the Sphinx.
[27:45] And also the Sphinx.
[27:46] Yes.
[27:46] And they all seem to go do they go down
[27:49] to a uniform depth? Erh, we found at the
[27:54] moment the same depth. Yes.
[27:57] And they all have chambers at the
[28:00] bottom.
[28:00] Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And that's the the
[28:02] the in my personal opinion my the nice
[28:06] thing that uh that we are dealing at the
[28:08] end of the structures of these tubes
[28:12] that are going down. There are um huge
[28:16] uh chambers.
[28:18] How huge? Uh, as I told you before, 80 m
[28:22] times 80 m and times 80 m of height.
[28:26] And that's uniform underneath all the
[28:28] pyramids. It's the [clears throat] same
[28:29] dimensions.
[28:29] Yes.
[28:30] Wow.
[28:31] When you look at it like this, when you
[28:33] see your 3D recreation of the site, it's
[28:37] stunning.
[28:38] Yeah.
[28:38] Because it just it just makes you think
[28:40] like, what is this?
[28:44] I mean, I can understand the skepticism
[28:46] and I can understand the resistance to
[28:48] this that modern academics have because
[28:51] this throws a giant monkey wrench into
[28:55] everything.
[28:56] This make makes everything we know about
[29:00] that area thrown into question.
[29:03] Because if this is true, like I said,
[29:06] this this rewrites history because
[29:08] you're dealing with an advanced
[29:10] civilization that is demonstrabably more
[29:13] advanced than us.
[29:16] Yes. Because uh they were able to
[29:21] to build very precise things, but not at
[29:26] the surface of the earth below.
[29:28] Well, they even built a lot of precise
[29:30] things that confuse us.
[29:32] One of the things that Christopher Dunn
[29:34] gave me is this. It's a the recreation
[29:36] of the vase of one of the many voses
[29:39] that they have that is
[29:42] accurate in its the the way it was made.
[29:46] Yeah.
[29:47] Down to
[29:49] god, what was the number? A thousandth
[29:51] of a human hair, something crazy like
[29:53] that. like much less than a human hair
[29:56] in the diameter, in the uniformity of
[29:59] it, in the fact that it was carved out
[30:01] of this incredibly hard stone at a time
[30:04] where there was no metal alloys. They,
[30:06] you know, there supposedly had copper
[30:07] tools. No one understands it. No one
[30:10] knows how they did it. And it has
[30:11] handles on it, so it couldn't have even
[30:13] been turned on a lathe.
[30:16] Yes. And also if we go inside the
[30:18] pyramids inside and also outside the
[30:21] pyramids we can observe that the
[30:24] measurements are very precise. The the
[30:28] chambers are constituted by flat walls.
[30:32] We don't have inscriptions
[30:34] uh and the dimensions are all related to
[30:38] the constants to the major constants of
[30:41] universe.
[30:42] Right? They're all aligned to the
[30:44] constellations. There's a lot of like
[30:46] very strange calculations that they were
[30:49] able to make like pathways where the sun
[30:52] during the solar equinox
[30:54] passes right through. It's a fascinating
[30:57] place.
[30:58] Yes.
[30:58] What when you
[31:00] started [clears throat]
[31:01] acquiring this data and you started
[31:03] accumulating it and then started going
[31:06] over it with experts, what did that feel
[31:09] like to you when you're when you
[31:10] realizing, oh, this is real?
[31:13] Yes.
[31:15] It was something that uh was very
[31:20] very nice for me because [laughter]
[31:24] because uh when we disc the thing was um
[31:29] I
[31:31] was saying always to Gor
[31:33] shall we disclosure this or not?
[31:36] I think for for now not for now not but
[31:39] then the results were always the same.
[31:42] So we decided to to disclose this uh
[31:45] this
[31:45] how long did you sit on it before you
[31:47] decided to disclose it?
[31:48] One year.
[31:49] One year. So for that one year, how
[31:50] conflicted were you? You must have been
[31:52] walking around like I have the biggest
[31:53] secret on earth.
[31:54] Yes.
[31:56] How weird was that? [laughter]
[32:00] Only two person knew this.
[32:02] That's crazy. [laughter]
[32:04] That's crazy. two people having one of
[32:07] the biggest secrets on earth
[32:10] that's backed by data. I mean it's not
[32:12] it's not even like you know someone told
[32:14] you something like you have
[32:16] extraordinary data due to fascinating
[32:19] modern technology that indicates that
[32:22] there's these paradigm shifting
[32:24] structures.
[32:25] Yeah. And uh I I tell you Joe, I I would
[32:30] like to go there and see what there is
[32:35] in person.
[32:36] Yes.
[32:36] Because it's it's now time. I think
[32:39] is there resistance from Egypt and the
[32:42] people that are in control of that area
[32:44] or are they fascinated by it?
[32:46] I tell you Joe, I didn't f find a lot of
[32:50] resistance. There is I found a lot of
[32:53] resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot
[32:55] of the banking a lot of people that no
[32:57] it's not true it's not true
[33:00] a lot of people that continues
[33:03] were continuing to say no rather can
[33:06] penetrate the earth for one kilometer 4
[33:09] and they didn't know or they they they
[33:13] purposely not saying this that we are
[33:15] not penetrating anything because we are
[33:18] just grabbing the entropy that is on the
[33:21] surface of the earth and with with with
[33:23] that information we are retriving
[33:25] tomographies. It's something new that I
[33:28] invented but it works because we have
[33:30] benchmarks that demonstrates the
[33:33] effectiveness of the method and it's
[33:35] this is 100%.
[33:37] And there's also been some criticism
[33:38] that the patents have expired but that's
[33:41] because you have new patents on better
[33:43] stuff.
[33:44] Yes. Now Jo under NDA. So h I uh we just
[33:49] uh I think I I can say something about
[33:51] the second patent because just yesterday
[33:53] we filed the patent in USA.
[33:56] Nice.
[33:56] Yes.
[33:57] Wow. Um have any academics reached out
[34:01] to you in support that are interested in
[34:04] this and would like to explore this
[34:05] further?
[34:06] Yes. Yes. Erh I I tell you this there
[34:10] are uh companies uh related to mining
[34:15] and uh uh crude oil extraction and then
[34:19] also water. Uh Joe today we are living a
[34:24] particular time because water is very
[34:27] important. Uh we are in a so-called
[34:30] water emergency in all the world. So for
[34:34] me the first thing that we have to do is
[34:36] to scan
[34:38] uh the earth and uh uh to fetch to to
[34:41] find to try and find other uh let's say
[34:45] uh opportunity to ext extract not salty
[34:48] water because it's very important.
[34:51] So you'll be using this technology for
[34:52] that as well.
[34:53] We uh for now not but I'm thinking to do
[34:55] it.
[34:56] Well it makes sense. I mean, if it can
[34:57] detect this, it should be able to detect
[34:59] that as well. And that will be if and
[35:01] it's and it also if it's accurate, that
[35:03] will also help garner support. Yes. For
[35:05] this this exploration of whatever is
[35:09] under there.
[35:09] Yeah. And uh so uh we we are receiving a
[35:14] lot of uh uh calls from uh companies
[35:18] that want to work with me. And so let's
[35:21] see what what we can do. And so this is
[35:23] all companies that have reached out
[35:25] after you released the results
[35:27] underneath the pyramids.
[35:28] Uh the most of them are calling me
[35:31] recently,
[35:32] right? So they've heard about
[35:34] relatively recently. Yes.
[35:35] Well, that's capitalism, right? They
[35:36] they say, "Oh, we can make money off of
[35:38] this."
[35:38] Yes.
[35:39] Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets
[35:41] people interested. It gets people
[35:43] involved in this.
[35:43] And so we have also philanthrop
[35:46] philanthropic project. We are opening a
[35:49] um a foundation in Malta. Uh we we are
[35:54] realizing it in uh two weeks and uh we
[35:57] we will have a foundation in Malta and
[36:00] with the with that foundation we can
[36:02] operate also philanthropically for the
[36:04] the Giza plateau and other uh and other
[36:08] uh ancient megalytics that are located
[36:11] in all the world. We have a plan to scan
[36:13] everything
[36:14] really. What is next?
[36:16] Uh maybe we we can see uh Pumapo or
[36:20] other sites.
[36:22] Yeah. Yeah. Go back.
[36:25] Go back. Yes.
[36:27] Have you looked at the labyrinths
[36:29] underneath uh the the ones that were
[36:31] described by Herododus that Ben Van
[36:33] Kirkwick has been talking about and his
[36:35] Uncharted exchange
[36:38] atrium with a 40 meter metallic object
[36:43] that's the shape of a tic tac in there.
[36:44] Yes. They asked me to do it and we will
[36:48] do it.
[36:49] Yeah, you have to do that.
[36:50] I I tell you Joe the processing is very
[36:53] nice but requests a lot of calculations.
[36:57] So uh it is time consuming. So at the
[37:00] moment at the moment uh we have some
[37:04] computers that are dedicated on JA and
[37:07] other project that we are doing and in
[37:10] the future maybe we will have other um
[37:14] other machines that uh can work to to do
[37:18] other things but we will do it. We we
[37:20] need time but we will do it. Now, are
[37:22] you absolutely convinced that this data
[37:25] is accurate or have any of the
[37:28] criticisms of any of the people that are
[37:29] trying to debunk it? Have has any of
[37:31] that resonated with you and rang true?
[37:34] Is there any validity to any of the
[37:35] criticisms?
[37:38] Radar is only precise. The nice thing
[37:42] that has radar is the precision
[37:45] and especially from space because space
[37:48] it is a very silent environment. you
[37:51] don't have noise something the the
[37:54] platform is very stable. So when you
[37:56] transmit electromagnetic waves
[37:59] they return back with absolutely precise
[38:02] with absolute precision
[38:03] and it's recreated over and over again
[38:05] in these 200 plus scans that you've done
[38:08] with various different satellites.
[38:10] Correct. Not just one so that one could
[38:12] have errors.
[38:13] Yeah.
[38:13] So you're convinced?
[38:14] I'm convinced 100% because
[38:16] wow I did the I invented the method.
[38:20] Yes, I know. But uh I tell you that uh I
[38:25] am happy if somebody can replicate
[38:27] things. So if other research groups can
[38:30] replicate the things that I'm showing, I
[38:33] am happy.
[38:34] Well, you got there first. Yeah. So no
[38:36] matter what [laughter]
[38:39] I mean you if this is correct you will
[38:41] go down in history as one of the most
[38:43] important figures in archaeology because
[38:46] if you are
[38:49] you're welcome but I it's just fact if
[38:52] what you're saying is true and we're
[38:54] just recently discovering this in the
[38:55] 21st century. I mean that's absolutely
[38:58] mindbending.
[39:00] Uh thank you for this. Uh yes I I am
[39:04] happy for uh for being in this uh but uh
[39:09] not al not not only me other people
[39:11] helping me to to do my work. Yes.
[39:14] Oh of sure of course a lot of people
[39:16] and in principal my family.
[39:17] Yeah. um this these structures and this
[39:21] this whole area if this turns out to be
[39:25] something that you don't find just at
[39:28] the Giza plateau but around other parts
[39:30] of Egypt. I mean there's always been a
[39:33] lot of speculation as to whether or not
[39:35] a civilization existed in subsaharan
[39:37] Africa an advanced civilization that in
[39:39] the area are not now sand you could
[39:41] probably do that same sort of research
[39:43] there as well.
[39:43] Yes. Yes. I I agree with this and uh we
[39:46] will do it. Yes.
[39:48] Wow. What is life like for you now
[39:52] having this exposed and now you know
[39:55] having this on the internet and all the
[39:57] speculation and all this excitement?
[39:59] What has that been like for you?
[40:00] Yes, I am not very used uh on all this
[40:05] exposure in on the internet. Uh
[40:10] it is something that I have to uh get
[40:12] used of this. Yes.
[40:16] My my life is simple, Joe. I I live in
[40:20] Italy and uh but uh um
[40:26] now I repeat this uh it is time to go
[40:31] ahead and go on the uh Jiza plateau and
[40:37] in person I I wish to see the effective
[40:43] structure how they are and the purpose
[40:46] of the of all the plateau what it is And
[40:49] is there plans to do that in person to
[40:51] do some sort of an excavation?
[40:54] Yes. Um I wrote a project proposal which
[41:00] is a research and also not research a
[41:02] proposal and uh is now um
[41:08] we we are uh our intention is to submit
[41:12] this proposal at the Egyptian
[41:14] authorities.
[41:17] If you want I can explain you this
[41:19] proposal
[41:20] please. Um we are involving University
[41:23] of Ferrara
[41:26] um
[41:27] principal scientist professor Savakaro
[41:31] Italian professor in she's a geologist
[41:36] um
[41:38] and other uh and other governmental
[41:42] Italian governmental uh in institutions
[41:46] that are very clever to do scans in sidu
[41:48] scans. So we are not using my my
[41:52] technique. We use the state-of-the-art
[41:54] technique that it is recognized by
[41:58] science today.
[42:00] And
[42:02] uh our uh intention is to
[42:06] uh concentrate the efforts on those
[42:09] shafts that I that I showed you that we
[42:12] we we have seen because we are we are
[42:16] not 90 99% convinced that or sure that
[42:21] those those are natural entrance into
[42:24] the the uh the structures that are below
[42:28] that are located below because we have
[42:30] the vertical structures and
[42:33] you saw on the on the tomographies you
[42:36] have also horizontal connections.
[42:38] So there's corridors.
[42:39] Yes, you have.
[42:40] And how large are these corridors?
[42:42] Uh
[42:44] about uh they they are tall about 3 m
[42:47] tall.
[42:48] Okay.
[42:48] So about 9 ft tall.
[42:50] Yes. Yes. that can that will uh using
[42:55] these corridors you uh will arrive
[42:57] directly inside the the the coils that
[43:00] we are that we are uh uh um visualizing
[43:06] uh that we v visualize uh before.
[43:09] So there's passages and shafts and these
[43:13] uh enormous
[43:15] ways that they can go back and forth in
[43:17] between these various structures. The
[43:20] thing that we have to do now is to clean
[43:22] those shafts. We have to do uh cleaning
[43:25] because now they are um
[43:28] sand debris.
[43:29] Yeah.
[43:30] Yeah.
[43:31] And um
[43:33] is there a timeline on when you would
[43:35] like to start cleaning these shafts and
[43:37] start doing this kind of stuff?
[43:38] Yes, it depends when we submit the
[43:40] project. The project is ready. Uh I know
[43:43] uh people that uh are living in uh in um
[43:48] uh in Egypt that when we are ready we
[43:51] can submit the project proposal then we
[43:53] are we are at uh when the government if
[43:58] if approved the project we can start.
[44:00] Now I would imagine that something like
[44:02] this something at this scale would
[44:03] require enormous funding.
[44:05] Yeah.
[44:06] And how do you uh how do you hope to
[44:08] acquire that? We we can make um we can
[44:13] say uh people that this this work is not
[44:17] for me but is for humans. And so people
[44:23] uh we we we ask people to help us in uh
[44:28] getting money to perform the work. We
[44:31] have to ask people. Have you reached out
[44:33] to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type
[44:36] people that have tons of money that
[44:38] might be interested in doing something
[44:39] like this?
[44:40] I don't know them, Joe.
[44:41] You don't know them?
[44:42] No. But maybe uh
[44:44] it's a big ask.
[44:46] Yes,
[44:46] it's a big ask, you know, asking.
[44:48] It's a big ask.
[44:49] A few billion dollars to go dig around
[44:50] under the pyramids. I mean, how much
[44:52] money do you think it costs to to do
[44:54] this
[44:55] to do? We we we have to do we we did an
[44:57] estimation of uh the the
[45:01] an estimation about I don't know for
[45:04] maybe maybe uh belonging for 20 millions
[45:08] or or more
[45:09] $20 million
[45:10] yes $20 million
[45:11] and this is just to clean the shaft and
[45:13] go underneath
[45:14] and because why so much money because we
[45:18] are our intention is to work safety I
[45:21] don't want that people has to go down
[45:23] the shaft and work. We will we want to
[45:26] use drones, robots to to make something
[45:30] automatically and so go down by using
[45:34] machines, not humans.
[45:35] Yeah, that makes sense.
[45:36] Yeah.
[45:36] Yeah. And that way you can get accurate
[45:38] real time video and
[45:40] Yes. Yes.
[45:41] Wow. with cameras and uh it will be
[45:44] something I am thinking about this the
[45:48] most maybe is one of the most ancient
[45:51] megalithic structure that we are dealing
[45:53] now can be recovered by the most modern
[45:58] technology that we have now today and so
[46:00] we can recover it modern and ancient
[46:03] together.
[46:04] So you've been giving this presentation
[46:06] now and you've been going around. What
[46:08] has that been like? What has the
[46:10] reception of it been like?
[46:12] Yes. A a moderate
[46:15] positive reception.
[46:16] Moderate positive. So people that are
[46:19] like if this is true it's amazing but
[46:21] you have to show me more.
[46:23] Yes.
[46:25] I tell you in this project proposal I am
[46:27] out.
[46:29] You're out.
[46:29] Yes. It is better than that University
[46:33] of Ferrara that is one of the most
[46:35] important university in Italy can stay
[46:38] there and uh manage all the work is
[46:42] better
[46:43] right
[46:43] and I'm out
[46:44] right you showed them what's there show
[46:47] them the technology now
[46:49] good luck
[46:50] thank you
[46:51] thank [laughter] you thank you and good
[46:52] luck so tell me about this presentation
[46:54] so how do you set this up I know you you
[46:56] brought some of the slides of this
[46:58] presentation tell tell me how you set
[47:00] this up.
[47:01] How you
[47:02] how you set it up? So, how you explain
[47:04] it to these when you have these, you
[47:05] know, semi-eptical scientists that are
[47:07] sitting down there and you're going to
[47:09] tell them, I'm about to rewrite human
[47:10] history. How do you set this up?
[47:13] [laughter]
[47:14] Oh, they were uh they were listening me
[47:16] very well and they [snorts] asking me uh
[47:18] things uh about how they everyone um the
[47:23] first thing that they asked me is how it
[47:25] works and that's good and so I slowly
[47:28] explain explain them how it works and
[47:32] how I arrived to to to make this
[47:34] presentation so to have our results and
[47:37] uh uh and so and so on and They
[47:43] they they
[47:45] someone of them is skeptical, someone a
[47:47] bit less skeptical,
[47:49] which is what you want.
[47:50] Yes.
[47:50] Yes. You want healthy debate about this
[47:52] kind of stuffy debate.
[47:53] That's the only way you find out what
[47:54] the truth is.
[47:56] Yes. Only only having a you a healthy
[48:00] debate, we can find what is the truth. I
[48:03] I don't want to polarize people for me.
[48:07] You know, it's not my it's not my job.
[48:09] No. Well, not only that, it's not you're
[48:11] just discovering something. Yes.
[48:13] This is something that's there. And for
[48:16] people to just put on a skeptical lens
[48:19] and just not look at it at all is crazy.
[48:22] Yes.
[48:22] Like if you're skeptical, we should
[48:24] probably explore it. And if you're
[48:25] wrong, okay, now we know it's not true.
[48:28] But if it is true, it's a crime to not
[48:31] investigate.
[48:32] Do not investigate. It's a crime to not
[48:33] investigate. Yes. And I tell you the
[48:38] the uh solution to we we don't we don't
[48:42] have to dig holes uh uh ruin the what is
[48:47] now preserved. No, we we have to only
[48:49] clean enough. We have to only clean and
[48:52] we have to use what there is
[48:55] made. It's for us because those shafts
[48:59] they are for us. They are calling us. We
[49:02] our
[49:03] um our rights are to clean them and see
[49:08] what there is and do go down and explore
[49:12] them. Personally,
[49:13] well, it just seems like these shafts
[49:15] exist at alone and they are at that
[49:18] depth that you describe and they are at
[49:20] the dimensions you describe. It really
[49:22] does lend credence to what you're
[49:24] saying. Yeah. because it seems like
[49:25] there's a purpose for those things. And
[49:27] if they do go down to the area where all
[49:30] these structures are,
[49:32] seems like there's something there.
[49:33] In my personal opinion, they were built
[49:35] purposely. And if you see the the
[49:38] access points probably.
[49:39] Yes, they are access points. They are
[49:41] they were made probably to um you know,
[49:45] Joe uh when you go deep below the earth,
[49:49] the temperature rises a lot. So there is
[49:52] a certain uh uh ratio uh of um where the
[49:58] temperature rises uh proportional to the
[50:01] depth that you are going. So the shafts
[50:05] are made purposely to take the their
[50:08] their function is to transport air light
[50:12] and so cool what there is inside.
[50:17] Well that makes sense.
[50:18] Yeah. and also access
[50:21] um show me some of the other slides and
[50:23] other things that are in your
[50:24] presentation so we can get a more
[50:25] comprehensive understanding of what
[50:27] we're looking at.
[50:32] [clears throat]
[50:32] Okay.
[50:33] Yes. This is uh the Zed this is ah Mario
[50:38] Pinker. Maru Pinker was a researcher
[50:43] uh that he died the on 2011 12 and uh he
[50:51] was studying the zed which is the
[50:53] multi-layer monument let's call it a
[50:56] monument but it's not a monument because
[50:58] it it has a certain and very precise
[51:01] function that is uh inside the pyramid
[51:04] this is the
[51:05] and this is [clears throat] the uh
[51:07] outlined image in the lower left hand
[51:09] corner.
[51:10] Yeah, that's the tomography that we that
[51:12] we have retrieved. It looks very
[51:13] precise,
[51:14] right? It looks exactly like what it
[51:15] looks like in the actual image. What is
[51:17] that thing? What is the what do you
[51:19] think the function of that thing is?
[51:20] Yes. Uh the function is um is is this uh
[51:27] uh it is you you see on the top of the
[51:29] structure there is something like
[51:31] like a cap.
[51:32] Yes, like a cap.
[51:35] uh that cap uh is has a a precise
[51:39] function to act attract the in the the
[51:45] vibration.
[51:47] Okay. It's an antenna
[51:49] in the in the vibration domain. Okay.
[51:55] Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes.
[51:57] Okay.
[51:57] attract the the energy in terms of uh
[52:02] mechanical vibration and propagates them
[52:06] below.
[52:08] There are other slides please. Okay. Uh
[52:11] here I did a simulation. Uh now I'm
[52:14] sorry because I don't have the video
[52:16] because this is a PDF but uh I I um uh
[52:22] reproduced the function of the zed on
[52:24] the computer.
[52:26] Okay.
[52:27] Okay.
[52:28] And look on the right side, we have all
[52:33] the vibrations that interacts one to
[52:35] each other to each layer. Look.
[52:38] Mhm.
[52:38] And you can see that each layer. Look
[52:41] how strange it is. Each layer on the top
[52:45] of each layer, it is scattered.
[52:48] Look.
[52:49] Okay.
[52:49] On the top of the each layer and the
[52:51] bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what
[52:54] is that? It is something related to
[52:57] filter. It is a It is a low pass filter.
[53:00] A made by stones.
[53:04] Very crazy. This that's a low pass
[53:06] filter.
[53:07] A lowass filter. What exactly is a
[53:09] lowass filter?
[53:10] Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that
[53:12] allow us that that allows the
[53:15] transmission only of certain frequencies
[53:19] and reject other frequencies. So it is a
[53:22] stabilizer frequency stabilizer and the
[53:25] low pass or a a certain low value
[53:29] frequency.
[53:31] Okay.
[53:31] Right. And so this aligns with
[53:34] Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah.
[53:36] That there was something underneath the
[53:39] the pyramid that there was a a chamber
[53:42] that was they were using to generate
[53:45] vibration and that that vibration would
[53:48] go through the entire structure.
[53:49] Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer,
[53:53] look, transmits
[53:55] directly inside
[53:58] the the the so-called uh sarcophagus.
[54:01] That's not a sarcophagus there.
[54:05] And so what do you think that what they
[54:07] call a sarcophagus? This immense granite
[54:10] box.
[54:10] Yeah. Let's call it Yes. The gr the
[54:12] granite box. Yes. And then inside the
[54:15] granic box
[54:18] was done to contain a man a body. And
[54:21] that vibration look
[54:24] collapses at the center of the granite
[54:27] box where the man was lying down.
[54:29] So do you think there was actually a man
[54:30] inside that? So a person would lay in
[54:33] that box.
[54:33] Yes.
[54:34] And what what happened to them?
[54:36] I don't know.
[54:37] Whoa.
[54:39] So
[54:40] I don't know. That's a simulation that I
[54:43] did, but it's precise.
[54:44] So, you don't think it's for a dead
[54:46] body? You think it's for a live body?
[54:48] Yes.
[54:48] And so, a person would lay there and
[54:50] have some probably incredibly profound
[54:53] experience with whatever
[54:56] Probably. Yes.
[54:58] What do you think it was? Like, if you
[55:01] just wanted to get crazy and put on the
[55:03] tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you
[55:05] think it was?
[55:07] I mean, what would happen to a person if
[55:09] they encountered this kind of vibration?
[55:11] these kind of frequencies and in this
[55:13] resonating granite box
[55:18] I can say something that is not
[55:20] scientific uh recognizing.
[55:22] Yeah, that's what I want.
[55:23] Yeah. [laughter]
[55:28] Maybe
[55:29] keep it up there. [laughter]
[55:32] What do you think?
[55:33] Maybe that person was ready to have an
[55:35] out of the body experience induced.
[55:37] Oh, like a gateway.
[55:41] a gateway to the spirit world.
[55:46] Look at on the top you have the antenna.
[55:50] The antenna is recepting all the
[55:52] vibrations that transmits
[55:56] all the signal below directly inside the
[56:00] granite box. It's very exciting.
[56:02] And what do you think was generating
[56:05] these vibrations? Ah yes the natural the
[56:08] uh the wind the natural vibration
[56:11] vibration of the earth and also some uh
[56:15] let's say
[56:17] uh flowing the the the flowing of water
[56:20] also the flowing of water and generated
[56:22] by
[56:22] flowing water and then there was also
[56:24] shafts that were this is part of
[56:26] Christopher Dunn's theory these shafts
[56:28] that reached the outside of space that
[56:30] he thinks were attracting space
[56:33] radiation
[56:34] can be Yeah, that's another possibility.
[56:36] Yes, another possibility.
[56:37] He also had a a theory that perhaps the
[56:40] lower chamber that's below the the
[56:42] pyramid itself that there was some
[56:44] mechanical device inside of there that
[56:47] was generating vibration
[56:49] for this uh can be. Yes, can be. But we
[56:53] don't boom through the entire structure
[56:56] and this is creating this vibration.
[56:58] That's the antenna. You've got this
[57:00] filter through it and then someone is
[57:02] laying in the sarcophagus tripping
[57:04] balls. Yes. Is that
[57:05] Whoa.
[57:07] That's crazy.
[57:10] That's crazy.
[57:12] Do you imagine if this entire structure
[57:15] was just built so that someone could
[57:17] have some sort of a bizarre out-of- body
[57:20] experience or psychedelic gateway
[57:22] experience?
[57:24] I think that's true. I think it's
[57:25] psychedelic Disney World. [laughter]
[57:27] I do. I seriously I had I had that
[57:28] epiphany like two months ago.
[57:30] Really?
[57:31] I don't want to explain it, but yeah.
[57:32] Uh, I was look looking at a picture of
[57:34] me when I was a kid at a like a Cedar
[57:37] Point, which is like roller coaster
[57:38] place. I was just thinking of how much
[57:40] effort we put in to making kids or young
[57:44] adults have a wild experience. Yeah.
[57:46] That is only
[57:48] uh in reference, you only understand it
[57:51] if you live there. If you found Disney
[57:53] World now in a thousand years, you'd be
[57:54] like, "What the [ __ ] They worship mice?
[57:57] [laughter]
[57:57] What the [ __ ] are you talking about?
[57:58] This is insane. Look at all the pictures
[58:00] of mice everywhere."
[58:01] That's so true. But you'd see that giant
[58:02] castle and there's rides everywhere and
[58:04] you you would have no idea what the
[58:05] experience of that ride would have been
[58:06] like or the teacups,
[58:08] right?
[58:08] It's nonsense. It's fun for kids,
[58:11] but also would make them feel
[58:14] amazing, but also adding what this
[58:16] vibration stuff does and sound and music
[58:18] and all these other things. You can put
[58:20] them all together and be like you could
[58:21] feel like a god.
[58:22] Yeah.
[58:23] If lightning hit the thing, you'd be
[58:24] like, "What the I don't know." It's I
[58:26] just had that wild idea one day. It's an
[58:29] interesting idea because if you think
[58:30] people have always been fascinated by
[58:32] achieving novel experiences and what
[58:36] more novel experience than a 2,300,000
[58:40] stone structure that's perfectly aligned
[58:43] to true north, south, east, and west
[58:44] aligns to the stars of Orion's belt.
[58:46] Yes.
[58:47] You lie inside a stone box and the
[58:51] vibrations hit you and you're in that
[58:53] box.
[58:55] more more
[58:56] and naturally you go out of the body.
[58:58] What it who knows what it does to the
[59:00] body and the mind because we know that
[59:02] the mind is capable of producing
[59:03] indogenous psychedelic chemicals. We
[59:06] also know that people have a very
[59:07] profound reaction to frequencies. That's
[59:09] why sound hits us so hard and we love
[59:12] music and and just vibration itself and
[59:14] and this sound weapon that they just
[59:16] recently used in Venezuela supposedly to
[59:20] knock out all Maduro's troops. What what
[59:23] could this thing have been?
[59:26] Yes. Um
[59:29] I am relative that the the principal
[59:34] actor of everything can be water
[59:40] uh vibrations. So sound sound
[59:46] but we we are uh dealing now to the
[59:49] third uh a third thing. So the purpose
[59:52] the exactly purpose of this maybe it can
[59:57] it can be also one more than one purpose
[01:00:01] no more than one scopus of the pyramids
[01:00:06] the pyramids intended to be now we I am
[01:00:09] 100% convinced that the pyramids uh can
[01:00:13] be considered the tip of the iceberg of
[01:00:15] something
[01:00:17] uh con uh of something very uh huge BJ
[01:00:22] that is composed by things that are
[01:00:25] below the earth and the pyramids that
[01:00:28] are up at the surface of the earth.
[01:00:31] So what do you think the reason for the
[01:00:34] design of the pyramid in that specific
[01:00:36] geometric shape?
[01:00:39] Uh yes. Uh probably because they have to
[01:00:42] resonate with the universe in in uh in
[01:00:47] uh in some uh
[01:00:51] in
[01:00:53] they they have to resonate with the with
[01:00:55] the universe. You know the the universe
[01:00:58] uh the universe uh uh jaw it is uh it is
[01:01:03] not complicated. is simple
[01:01:06] because the universe is constituted by
[01:01:10] things the matter the particles the
[01:01:12] light yes but everything is uh regulated
[01:01:18] by some constants there are the
[01:01:20] constants so the velocity the speed of
[01:01:22] the light c
[01:01:25] uh 3 * 10 to the 8 uh kilometers/s
[01:01:31] then you have so the velocity of the
[01:01:32] light so you have the electric
[01:01:34] constants, the magnetic constants that
[01:01:37] are
[01:01:38] uh that arranges very well the law of
[01:01:42] the universe. So it is important that
[01:01:46] something that has to uh be well related
[01:01:51] to the place that we live to the
[01:01:53] universe has to contain very precisely
[01:01:57] the dimensions of uh recasting the
[01:02:02] constants of the universe
[01:02:05] and that's what you think the pyramids
[01:02:06] did?
[01:02:08] Personally yes personally yes
[01:02:11] how old do you think they are?
[01:02:14] Yes. So yes on the sorry the the Italian
[01:02:17] starts when [laughter]
[01:02:20] I start speaking Italian.
[01:02:21] No it's okay. It's okay.
[01:02:24] Erh
[01:02:29] the thing that uh we can say for
[01:02:32] certainly is that the pyramids are older
[01:02:37] than the dates that are written on the
[01:02:40] uh typical history books. So to see
[01:02:45] something that to say something very
[01:02:48] precisely we have to go back in time uh
[01:02:51] into the zapi.
[01:02:53] So more than 36
[01:02:56] thousands years ago something happened
[01:03:00] to the earth. So uh the zapi uh began
[01:03:06] and in a time belonging the zeppy and
[01:03:10] the great flood were built the pyramid
[01:03:13] the pyramids.
[01:03:15] So like what I'm sending you something
[01:03:18] Jamie that's very interesting.
[01:03:19] Yes. Um, so
[01:03:22] do you have an idea? Do you do you have
[01:03:23] an estimation like what what is your
[01:03:25] personal belief?
[01:03:26] Yes.
[01:03:28] We can't say exactly the year.
[01:03:31] So Zepti, let's let's explain to people
[01:03:33] what that is since we're I sometimes
[01:03:36] forget. Zepy is the thing that I
[01:03:39] described to Zahi Has and he dismissed
[01:03:42] it. But there's this I've never heard of
[01:03:43] this.
[01:03:45] It's [clears throat] an ancient kings
[01:03:46] list.
[01:03:47] Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that
[01:03:49] goes back past 30,000 years. Yes. And um
[01:03:52] it's very inconvenient for modern
[01:03:55] academics. And so they like to portray
[01:03:57] it as myth.
[01:03:59] And then when it gets to the age of
[01:04:02] historically accurate pharaohs that we
[01:04:05] know of, Kufu and Cafrey, then they
[01:04:08] allow those hieroglyphs. Yes.
[01:04:10] But when you get all the way back to the
[01:04:12] 30,000 years ago, they like to say that
[01:04:14] that's just mythology.
[01:04:16] Yes, it's true.
[01:04:17] But it is a matter of fact that Zep we
[01:04:21] have
[01:04:24] we have also other ancient megalytics
[01:04:27] that are very old recognized very old.
[01:04:29] So we have to deal with that.
[01:04:32] Well go back
[01:04:34] is a big problem also
[01:04:35] but more than 11,000 years old for sure.
[01:04:37] Yeah.
[01:04:38] Yeah.
[01:04:39] And as we saw
[01:04:40] here it is. This is something that um
[01:04:42] [clears throat] um I actually just
[01:04:44] talked to Graham Hancock about. This is
[01:04:46] Stella is a limestone inscription
[01:04:47] discovered in 1858 near the great
[01:04:49] pyramid complex of Giza. And the text
[01:04:51] describes a pharaoh kufu who ruled from
[01:04:54] 2589 to 2566 BC visiting the site and
[01:04:59] ordering restorations to existing
[01:05:02] structures including a temple associated
[01:05:04] with the goddess Isis. The stellar
[01:05:06] refers to Isis as the mistress of the
[01:05:09] pyramid, a title that has raised
[01:05:11] questions about whether parts of the
[01:05:12] Giza plateau were already considered
[01:05:15] sacred before Kufu's reign. And although
[01:05:17] most Egyptologists date the Stella
[01:05:19] itself to the 26th dynasty, more than
[01:05:22] 2,000 years after Kufu, its wording
[01:05:25] continues to draw attention because it
[01:05:27] portrays the pharaoh as a restorer
[01:05:30] rather than the original builder.
[01:05:32] Whether inscription provides older
[01:05:34] tradition or reflects later religious
[01:05:35] interpretation remains debated. But if
[01:05:38] this is accurate, this describes Kufu as
[01:05:42] restoring the pyramid. Yeah.
[01:05:44] Now this exists throughout history. Um
[01:05:49] the temple of Tinoitlan
[01:05:52] uh where the Aztecs had when when they
[01:05:54] described it, they described it as the
[01:05:56] place where the gods were born. Yeah.
[01:05:59] And they found it. Like people think the
[01:06:01] Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.
[01:06:03] No,
[01:06:04] they there was some sort of a previous
[01:06:06] civilization that lived in Mexico prior
[01:06:09] to the people that called themselves the
[01:06:10] Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs and
[01:06:12] they built. So there's a longstanding
[01:06:14] history of people repurposing existing
[01:06:19] structures and claiming them as their
[01:06:20] own. And if this Stella is accurate and
[01:06:23] this was also in Fingerprints of the
[01:06:24] Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I I
[01:06:28] sent this to Graham and his reaction was
[01:06:30] pretty interesting. What he said
[01:06:32] to me was that um there's a strong
[01:06:36] suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might
[01:06:38] have been one of the three subsidiary
[01:06:41] structures alongside the Great Pyramid's
[01:06:42] eastern flank and all that looked like
[01:06:44] damaging e evidence against the orthodox
[01:06:47] chronology of ancient Egypt. It also
[01:06:49] challenged the consensus view that the
[01:06:51] Giza pyramids had been built as tombs
[01:06:54] and only as tombs. Uh however s uh uh
[01:06:58] rather than investigating the statements
[01:07:02] u from the stella the Egypt childiffs ch
[01:07:05] uh they chose to devalue them in his his
[01:07:07] quotes they chose to say h that's just
[01:07:09] inconvenient
[01:07:10] but if it's if they are describing it
[01:07:12] that way that that seems like this is a
[01:07:17] longstanding tradition of people finding
[01:07:20] things that exist. the earth's clearly
[01:07:24] eg ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt
[01:07:26] is a very complex society, very complex
[01:07:29] and very advanced society, even if they
[01:07:32] didn't build that stuff. But it seems
[01:07:34] like they're saying the restore.
[01:07:36] Yes. Yes. I I agree with you, Joe. Um
[01:07:41] I tell you uh there are um some facts
[01:07:45] that we have to observe because I am
[01:07:47] used to observe
[01:07:50] before I I have I I say something I have
[01:07:53] to observe.
[01:07:55] So I am not um how you say an expert of
[01:08:00] pyramids because I am an engineer. I
[01:08:02] work on satellites. I am a space
[01:08:05] engineer. I'm I'm not a
[01:08:08] an Egyptologist
[01:08:10] like that, but I can observe
[01:08:15] in inside the pyramids
[01:08:19] they found a lot of salt
[01:08:25] that were uh attached on the walls. So
[01:08:29] they find the salt. Why there is why
[01:08:32] there was salt there?
[01:08:34] First, second,
[01:08:37] the shafts that we are dealing now, if
[01:08:40] we want to clean the shafts, why there
[01:08:43] is debris? Why they are tapped?
[01:08:48] No. So,
[01:08:51] if the great flood is a an historical uh
[01:08:56] parameter, recognize it. So let's say uh
[01:09:01] 11 11,000 12,000 years ago let's say
[01:09:04] something like that I don't remember
[01:09:05] precisely the zeppi which is not
[01:09:08] recognized is 36,000 in the past so
[01:09:13] between the zepi and the great flood
[01:09:17] we can locate the pyramids and the
[01:09:20] sphinx.
[01:09:22] Wow. So the great flood we're looking at
[01:09:26] 11,000 plus years ago. Zepte you're
[01:09:28] looking at 30,000 plus years ago.
[01:09:31] Yes, we can say I'm an engineer. I am I
[01:09:35] I put myself in the center between 30
[01:09:38] 36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find
[01:09:42] some images of salt in the in the great
[01:09:45] pyramids because it it is quite
[01:09:47] fascinating and if there was some sort
[01:09:50] of a massive rise of sea and massive
[01:09:54] flooding which is depicted in every
[01:09:57] single ancient religion. Yes.
[01:09:59] From epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk
[01:10:02] about it. I mean it's like almost all
[01:10:05] cultures have a story. Obviously Noah
[01:10:06] and the ark and the flood in the Bible,
[01:10:09] but this salt
[01:10:12] Joe two months ago I went for the first
[01:10:14] time to visit the pyramids and I found
[01:10:17] salt on the wall. There is still salt.
[01:10:22] And you think that salt is probably
[01:10:24] because
[01:10:24] I taste it is of water of uh the sea.
[01:10:27] Wow.
[01:10:28] Yes. I forgot to to to to bring it to
[01:10:32] you. Not just that, but there's so much
[01:10:34] salt that there's still salt there
[01:10:37] 11,000 years later,
[01:10:39] which is really extraordinary.
[01:10:41] And so you think that that salt is
[01:10:43] because the entire area was flooded. And
[01:10:45] that's the reason why the shafts were
[01:10:46] flooded and filled with debris. Yes.
[01:10:48] Right. Topped off with debris cuz
[01:10:51] everything just flooded into there. And
[01:10:53] then when the sea receded,
[01:10:55] you're so many years later, you're left
[01:10:57] with salt everywhere.
[01:10:58] Yeah. And that's why uh the reason that
[01:11:01] uh I don't want that people goes to work
[01:11:04] inside the shaft because are dangerous
[01:11:06] can collapse the the the
[01:11:10] debris can collapse because you can have
[01:11:12] bubble of of of air and so it's
[01:11:15] dangerous
[01:11:16] right right
[01:11:16] robots has to go
[01:11:18] right well it makes more sense robots
[01:11:20] are safer and it's also like you
[01:11:22] so everything is connected the great
[01:11:23] flood the zeppy and the pyramids
[01:11:26] wow if that turns out convinced with
[01:11:29] that
[01:11:30] I I am convinced
[01:11:32] that maybe 18 I I go in the center 18
[01:11:36] 18,000 or something like that. 20
[01:11:39] between 18,000 and 20,000.
[01:11:41] Well, what's crazy is I mean that pushes
[01:11:43] back that ancient civilization by 14,000
[01:11:46] years.
[01:11:46] Yeah.
[01:11:47] Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean
[01:11:50] John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000
[01:11:52] plus years to the construction of the
[01:11:54] Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when
[01:11:56] Robert Shock from Boston University, the
[01:11:58] geologist that started doing work on the
[01:12:01] the the pyramid and then excuse me, the
[01:12:04] um temple of the Sphinx.
[01:12:05] The Sphinx. Yes.
[01:12:06] Yeah. And the water erosion. He's like,
[01:12:07] "This is
[01:12:08] it's vertical."
[01:12:09] Yes. It's vertical fissures that come
[01:12:11] from thousands of years of rainfall. And
[01:12:13] the last time there was like significant
[01:12:15] rainfall in the Nile Valley like that
[01:12:16] was 9,000 years ago.
[01:12:18] Yeah.
[01:12:18] So you're dealing with thousands of
[01:12:20] years before that of rain to achieve
[01:12:23] that kind of erosion. Yes, it is
[01:12:25] necessary now when that's why this
[01:12:29] research and this activity that hope we
[01:12:32] will do it is very important.
[01:12:35] Yeah, because this it is able to rewrite
[01:12:38] everything it mean rewrite everything.
[01:12:41] Imagine if you could get something from
[01:12:43] down in those shafts in those corridors
[01:12:47] something that you could date.
[01:12:50] Yeah.
[01:12:50] And you get a date back of 26,000 BC.
[01:12:53] you go what
[01:12:55] you know I mean this is it's not outside
[01:12:58] of the realm of possibility that's
[01:12:59] what's so crazy about this it just
[01:13:01] really does seem like we are getting
[01:13:03] more and more evidence that things are
[01:13:07] far older than conventional wisdom than
[01:13:11] conventional the conventional narrative
[01:13:13] that's taught in schools
[01:13:15] yes I agree
[01:13:17] I agree because uh as I told you before
[01:13:21] this is time this is the time to to see
[01:13:25] effective what we which is the exact
[01:13:28] date of construction who made them and
[01:13:31] how they made them.
[01:13:33] But how could we figure out how they
[01:13:34] made it? That's the crazy thing, right?
[01:13:37] Because we don't even understand the
[01:13:38] technology they used to cut them.
[01:13:40] Yeah.
[01:13:41] We don't know what they had. And that's
[01:13:43] the other thing. If you're dealing with
[01:13:44] something that's 20,000 plus years old,
[01:13:47] 15,000 years old, what's going to be
[01:13:49] left? All the metal's gone. Everything
[01:13:52] is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most
[01:13:54] things really the thing that you have
[01:13:56] left is stone which is pretty crazy.
[01:14:00] Yeah. And uh if we see uh the the rooms
[01:14:04] all the structures that are currently
[01:14:06] inside let's say the the chaops pyramid
[01:14:09] which I I like it a lot. The grand
[01:14:11] gallery is very nice fascinating.
[01:14:14] They have a precision incredible
[01:14:16] precision. All those big huge stones
[01:14:20] that com that is composing the grand
[01:14:23] gallery is very exciting. I like it a
[01:14:25] lot.
[01:14:27] Did you have uh any sort of fascination
[01:14:31] about the pyramids before this or
[01:14:34] Joe? I remember when I was young, very
[01:14:37] young, I used to
[01:14:40] uh I had um uh it
[01:14:44] uh how you say, I had um a a personal
[01:14:48] computer, very old one, and I was always
[01:14:51] playing always on um on something that
[01:14:55] uh
[01:14:57] and there was the pyramids. They were
[01:14:59] always the pyramids. And there in that
[01:15:03] meantime I I realized that I liked the
[01:15:07] pyramids and so I I was very young.
[01:15:10] So the personal beauty just researching
[01:15:12] the pyramids is that what it was like
[01:15:14] what do you say just looking at pictures
[01:15:15] and images?
[01:15:16] Yes. Yes. On the pyramids.
[01:15:18] So you always were fascinated by but did
[01:15:19] you have an understanding or even uh any
[01:15:22] questions about the timeline of
[01:15:24] civilization before this?
[01:15:25] No. Never.
[01:15:26] So it only happened within the last few
[01:15:28] years.
[01:15:28] Yes. Yes. Erh I began uh I began uh
[01:15:34] working uh so uh being interested on
[01:15:36] pyramids uh starting from 2018.
[01:15:40] So it was right after you started
[01:15:42] doing this research. Yes.
[01:15:44] And you started saying okay what is
[01:15:45] this?
[01:15:46] Yeah. And so when you start to to
[01:15:49] research on something that that is uh
[01:15:55] our history, our past, our origins
[01:15:58] because we our origins are there. So we
[01:16:01] have to fetch we have to find what there
[01:16:04] is there because it is important that uh
[01:16:08] we uh it is important to research our
[01:16:12] origin because in this meantime humanity
[01:16:16] does not know we don't know who we are.
[01:16:20] We don't know our origins. We don't know
[01:16:23] anything of of who we are. And the most
[01:16:27] of the answers can be found in the um
[01:16:31] studying the pyramids.
[01:16:33] Well, it certainly seems to be the
[01:16:35] greatest accomplishment that ancient
[01:16:37] humans had ever created.
[01:16:38] Yes.
[01:16:39] And if these humans were far more
[01:16:42] ancient than we currently believe, that
[01:16:44] is really really interesting.
[01:16:47] Yeah. And uh it is for me very it it is
[01:16:51] something that I have it always in my
[01:16:53] mind
[01:16:54] only to know how they did how they cut
[01:16:57] the stones how they have transported the
[01:17:00] stones and how I don't know how how how
[01:17:03] everything how how like what gave them
[01:17:06] the idea like were there any
[01:17:08] previous pyramids cuz it's weird because
[01:17:10] the older you go the more complex the
[01:17:13] structures are
[01:17:14] and the newer ones are kind of shitty.
[01:17:17] Yes.
[01:17:17] Yeah.
[01:17:19] So, okay. So, we went from that we
[01:17:21] showed this antenna and it goes into the
[01:17:24] supposed sarcophagus and these
[01:17:26] vibrations. What other things do you
[01:17:27] show in your presentation that are
[01:17:29] interesting? Uh I um I showed
[01:17:33] principally all the structures that are
[01:17:35] uh that are uh under the the Cafra
[01:17:38] pyramid and also under each pyramids.
[01:17:40] And uh also I described the uh method uh
[01:17:46] uh on how going
[01:17:50] below without drilling anything. And so
[01:17:54] I uh showed them I showed them that
[01:17:57] there are the entrances are there on our
[01:18:00] eyes. Everyone can see those uh those
[01:18:04] shafts. And so why we we we are not
[01:18:07] exploring them? Why they are so dirty?
[01:18:10] Why they are so without uh any kind of
[01:18:14] work of renew methods? Yeah.
[01:18:17] I don't know why.
[01:18:19] Well, it seems like there's limited
[01:18:21] resources first of all. BS. And also it
[01:18:25] seems like Egypt an entire
[01:18:28] economy is based on tourism. An immense
[01:18:31] amount of tourism because it's so
[01:18:32] fantastic. There's people from all over
[01:18:34] the world make a pilgrimage.
[01:18:35] I I also I also I also find uh a method
[01:18:40] to uh combine so not stopping the the
[01:18:45] tourism. No. So it is possible to
[01:18:47] combine the work and also the tourism.
[01:18:49] So we can delimitate the area inside the
[01:18:52] area we work and outside the area safety
[01:18:56] all the people can visit the py the Jes
[01:18:58] not only that I think it will enhance
[01:19:00] tourism because if this speculation
[01:19:03] proves to be fruitful and you start
[01:19:05] looking under there and you find that
[01:19:06] there there is evidence to all this it's
[01:19:09] just going to make more people want to
[01:19:10] go. Yes, I I agree with you. But you
[01:19:13] imagine, Joe,
[01:19:15] we will find
[01:19:17] the structures that are underneath. No.
[01:19:20] And maybe we can try to build a huge uh
[01:19:24] lift that carry people downstairs in
[01:19:27] safety always. Or maybe not below for a
[01:19:30] lot, but at a certain at a certain
[01:19:33] depth. So they can also travel along the
[01:19:36] horizontal corridors that are present.
[01:19:39] And so they go up from the shafts and
[01:19:42] they they go they they they go up from
[01:19:46] uh to the Cafrey pyramid and they go
[01:19:48] away from so the entrance here and they
[01:19:51] and they go
[01:19:55] intercepting the pyramids.
[01:19:56] That would be amazing.
[01:19:57] Yeah. I mean it would just be much more
[01:19:59] tourism.
[01:20:00] Yes.
[01:20:00] Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on
[01:20:03] Egypt. I mean it would probably be a
[01:20:05] huge boost to their economy. It would
[01:20:07] probably be a huge boost to archaeology
[01:20:11] because more young people would get
[01:20:12] fascinated by it, want to study it.
[01:20:14] Yeah. And and imagine imagine also this.
[01:20:17] What can we find below
[01:20:21] down there? What can what can we find?
[01:20:24] This is a question that I am asking
[01:20:26] because if we watch the the the the
[01:20:29] slide concerning the shaft that I want
[01:20:32] to that I want to clean, there are
[01:20:34] things inside it. It I am showing that
[01:20:39] that that there are things located
[01:20:41] inside the uh chamber. Look, there is
[01:20:45] something.
[01:20:46] What What is that?
[01:20:47] What are you seeing when you we're
[01:20:48] talking about the shaft where it goes
[01:20:49] all the way down to the bottom and
[01:20:51] there's a chamber. Is that what you
[01:20:52] mean? That one. Yes.
[01:20:55] Right there. So that structure that is
[01:20:57] at the bottom.
[01:20:58] What's that? I don't know. Was that
[01:21:00] right?
[01:21:02] It's very huge.
[01:21:04] Very huge. And it's at the bottom of the
[01:21:06] shaft.
[01:21:08] Yeah.
[01:21:08] Look the horizontal corridors.
[01:21:10] Mhm.
[01:21:12] And so there's more horizontal cor
[01:21:15] corridors during the when you traverse
[01:21:18] down into the shaft. Then you there's
[01:21:20] you intercept
[01:21:21] right other corridors. And how large are
[01:21:24] those corridors?
[01:21:25] By about 3 m tall.
[01:21:28] So there's three So there's these 3 m
[01:21:30] tall shafts
[01:21:32] that go to the side. These corridors
[01:21:34] that go to the side.
[01:21:35] Yes.
[01:21:36] Along the way and then also down at the
[01:21:38] very bottom.
[01:21:39] Yes.
[01:21:41] And you're convinced of this. This is
[01:21:43] all data, right?
[01:21:45] Um,
[01:21:47] and no one has ever sent a camera down
[01:21:49] there or anything.
[01:21:50] Those are human man-made structure like
[01:21:53] uh a ring on another ring.
[01:21:56] Mhm.
[01:21:57] Look, it is it is very clear, right? If
[01:22:00] you observe the structure, those are man
[01:22:02] man-made and they go deep, very deep.
[01:22:04] And you can see the rubbish that is uh
[01:22:06] on the bottom.
[01:22:07] All the debris.
[01:22:08] The debris.
[01:22:08] And that debris you think was a lot of
[01:22:10] it because of the flood. I am 100% sure
[01:22:14] of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the
[01:22:18] Giza plateau it seems to stop the
[01:22:22] functionality the the
[01:22:25] working. We don't know which kind of
[01:22:27] work
[01:22:29] uh were used to do but stopped because
[01:22:33] of the great flood. So we can go back in
[01:22:36] time in uh 12,000 years ago. And when
[01:22:40] people's the people that don't know if
[01:22:42] you're hearing this like what great
[01:22:43] flood that's just not that's just myth.
[01:22:45] There's a thing called the younger dus
[01:22:47] impact theory and the younger dry impact
[01:22:49] theory group that's been studying this
[01:22:51] they now know that there was impacts to
[01:22:54] the earth that are allowed around the
[01:22:57] 11,800
[01:22:59] year mark and then I believe I believe
[01:23:01] again in the 10,000year range. Uh Randle
[01:23:04] Carlson is probably the best guy to talk
[01:23:05] to about that, but that they find high
[01:23:09] levels of aridium, which is very common
[01:23:11] in space and very rare on Earth, but
[01:23:13] there's a layer of it. They also find
[01:23:16] these nano diamonds uh that they also
[01:23:19] discovered during the first Trinity
[01:23:21] explosion when they detonated the atomic
[01:23:22] bomb. They find these microscopic glass
[01:23:25] particles that are created by the
[01:23:27] intense explosion interacting with the
[01:23:29] sand. So what is it called? Trinitite
[01:23:32] trit is that what it's called? What are
[01:23:35] those?
[01:23:35] Nuclear glass. What is that called?
[01:23:37] Tritonite. Is that what it's called?
[01:23:39] Some uh some something related to
[01:23:42] vitrification.
[01:23:43] Yes.
[01:23:43] Okay.
[01:23:44] So, this exists all over the world. And
[01:23:47] it exists all over the world when they
[01:23:49] do a core sample at the same depth.
[01:23:51] Yeah.
[01:23:51] And so this is a very strong scientific
[01:23:54] indicator of evidence that we've been
[01:23:55] hit.
[01:23:56] Yes.
[01:23:56] Yeah.
[01:23:57] But another scientific indicator is the
[01:23:59] debris. Why there is that debris there?
[01:24:00] Right? Why so much?
[01:24:02] So much,
[01:24:02] right? Why so much?
[01:24:03] If if we do carrotage drilling of that
[01:24:06] debris inside the shaft, I don't know
[01:24:09] how how how deep we can go. So why there
[01:24:12] is all the all that debris there?
[01:24:14] We don't know,
[01:24:15] right? But which makes sense if there is
[01:24:17] a great flood that fills the pyramid
[01:24:19] with salt water. Yes.
[01:24:20] That it probably washed all that sand
[01:24:23] into that gigantic vertical shaft.
[01:24:25] Yeah.
[01:24:26] Completely makes sense.
[01:24:27] Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, we if we do
[01:24:30] the chemical chemical a chemical
[01:24:33] exploration of that debris, we can find
[01:24:36] also a certain density of salt because
[01:24:40] were mixed in the past by salty water
[01:24:43] and debris and soil also.
[01:24:46] Also, you could get dirt from the very
[01:24:48] bottom. Yeah. And get some sort of
[01:24:50] organic material and carbonate that. And
[01:24:53] maybe you can get an understanding of
[01:24:55] like maybe when stuff was washed down to
[01:24:57] the bottom of that shaft.
[01:24:59] Very interesting. Yeah. Yes, it's
[01:25:01] possible. Can be possible.
[01:25:02] Crazy if they did that and it lines up
[01:25:04] directly with the younger gi impact
[01:25:06] theory. I mean, that would be incredible
[01:25:09] evidence.
[01:25:10] Either way, just what it is that we know
[01:25:14] that there's immense shafts. We know
[01:25:16] that they go many, many meters deep into
[01:25:18] the earth. And we know that there's
[01:25:20] these horizontal shafts along the way.
[01:25:22] Hey, these corridors along the way, like
[01:25:24] all of it is just nuts.
[01:25:29] We [laughter]
[01:25:30] saw I was looking at the Osiris shaft
[01:25:32] here. Um the shaft.
[01:25:34] Mhm.
[01:25:35] Okay.
[01:25:35] Just near these other ones. Uh when they
[01:25:38] found it, there was water down there.
[01:25:39] They had to get out. And the water is
[01:25:42] not only cold, ice cold. It says it's
[01:25:45] clean enough to be drinking water.
[01:25:47] Whoa.
[01:25:47] And I don't know that it doesn't It
[01:25:49] sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so
[01:25:51] there's a spring down there. Well, that
[01:25:54] is also the problem with the labyrinth.
[01:25:56] So, the labyrinth that they have where
[01:25:59] there's this enormous atrium and this 40
[01:26:02] m long metallic object that apparently
[01:26:04] is underneath there. And this is through
[01:26:05] ground penetrating radar that they
[01:26:06] discover this. I don't think they know
[01:26:08] what that metal is either. I think it's
[01:26:10] an unknown metal. But they built a dam
[01:26:14] there I believe in the 1960s and to help
[01:26:17] the farmers and unfortunately that
[01:26:19] flooded that whole area. So because they
[01:26:21] changed the direction of the water and
[01:26:23] built this dam the water table rose
[01:26:26] and that entire labyrinth is now filled
[01:26:28] with water.
[01:26:30] But through ground penetrating radar
[01:26:32] they've been able to get this accurate
[01:26:33] assessment of the dimensions of it. And
[01:26:35] then they go back to the descriptions of
[01:26:36] Herodotus who described it. See if you
[01:26:39] can pull that up. uh Herodotus described
[01:26:42] it as greater than the Giza plateau
[01:26:44] itself. So these labyrinths, these
[01:26:47] corridors, these atriums, these huge
[01:26:49] passageways underneath the the Great
[01:26:52] Pyramid area more complex and more
[01:26:56] spectacular than the pyramids
[01:26:57] themselves.
[01:26:58] Yes.
[01:26:59] My god.
[01:27:00] My god. Like what was this civilization?
[01:27:03] These people living in Africa however
[01:27:06] long ago were so much more advanced than
[01:27:09] perhaps anybody that's ever existed
[01:27:11] including us just in a different way.
[01:27:14] Including us just in a different way. H
[01:27:17] just to remark the fact Joe that there
[01:27:19] is difference between the water table
[01:27:22] which which of course is composed by
[01:27:24] drinkable water and the water that they
[01:27:27] found uh compounding the uh the Osiris
[01:27:31] shaft and the water that transported all
[01:27:35] the debris but that water was uh uh uh
[01:27:39] salty water because of the great flood.
[01:27:42] So it was uh water um of the sea
[01:27:45] composing the sea
[01:27:47] which makes sense when you see the salt
[01:27:48] that's all over the pyramids. This is
[01:27:50] Herodotus's quote. I've seen it myself
[01:27:52] and indeed words cannot describe it.
[01:27:54] Though the pyramids beg description and
[01:27:57] each one of them is a match for many
[01:27:59] great monuments built by Greeks, this
[01:28:01] maze surpasses even the pyramids.
[01:28:05] That is crazy. That's crazy that he said
[01:28:09] that. And if have you ever seen any of
[01:28:11] the artistic renditions of what it looks
[01:28:13] like?
[01:28:13] Uh, no. But
[01:28:14] see if you can find some of that because
[01:28:16] we did it. If anybody's interested in
[01:28:18] this, I can't recommend enough.
[01:28:20] Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwick.
[01:28:23] This is what apparently is underneath
[01:28:25] this area,
[01:28:27] which is just [ __ ] staggering.
[01:28:30] Wow. How nice.
[01:28:31] This is all underground. And so I think
[01:28:33] we the next uh the next um uh site that
[01:28:38] we can study can be this.
[01:28:40] Yeah.
[01:28:41] Yeah. And a
[01:28:42] and if you could find out what that 40 m
[01:28:45] long metallic object is, that's that's
[01:28:47] when things get weird. That's when
[01:28:49] things get real weird cuz you find a
[01:28:51] spaceship down there.
[01:28:54] [laughter]
[01:28:56] Then things get really fun. [gasps]
[01:28:58] I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers.
[01:29:00] [laughter]
[01:29:01] Why not? I mean, if they could build
[01:29:03] that, why not space? Who knows what they
[01:29:05] could do? They're lying in a gigantic
[01:29:08] stone box tripping balls. They have this
[01:29:11] huge pyramid. This the structures go how
[01:29:15] long? A kilometer. The entire thing into
[01:29:17] the earth. [laughter]
[01:29:18] 1.2
[01:29:19] 1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the
[01:29:21] base of the pyramid down 1.2 km.
[01:29:25] Wow.
[01:29:26] Wow.
[01:29:26] Wow. This has changed. I mean, from 2018
[01:29:30] to now, from you researching this and
[01:29:33] does this change your entire perspective
[01:29:36] of human history and and just human
[01:29:38] beings in general?
[01:29:41] In my personal opinion, yes. Because uh
[01:29:45] before this was a problem accepting how
[01:29:48] the pyramids were made, all those
[01:29:51] stones. But if we can if we if we are
[01:29:55] adding also the structures that are
[01:29:57] underneath I don't know what happens
[01:30:00] more impossible than before
[01:30:02] right
[01:30:04] more impossible than I mean if you'd
[01:30:07] imagine with modern technology trying to
[01:30:10] recreate something like that you're
[01:30:11] talking about an immense project that
[01:30:12] would cost
[01:30:13] hundreds of billions of dollars
[01:30:15] if not more
[01:30:17] and the engineering involved in it
[01:30:20] you're an engineer the engineering
[01:30:21] involved olved in doing something like
[01:30:22] that like
[01:30:24] how
[01:30:25] how they can cut the granite so
[01:30:27] precisely is impossible is impossible
[01:30:29] also today is impossible.
[01:30:32] So they had some sort of a technology
[01:30:34] that is far more advanced than we have.
[01:30:36] They just went in a different direction.
[01:30:39] We went in the direction of internal
[01:30:40] combustion engines and electronics
[01:30:43] and they probably went in some
[01:30:44] completely different direction.
[01:30:46] Yeah. Yes. Because uh the modern science
[01:30:50] started from a point and then as you you
[01:30:54] are you are saying right we we followed
[01:30:57] the a direction which is the direction
[01:31:00] of light because most of the our
[01:31:04] inventions our yes internal combustion
[01:31:08] uh engines and uh uh and other stuff but
[01:31:13] principally we use light because we can
[01:31:16] see
[01:31:16] We can see it. We can see light. Okay,
[01:31:18] we use light. But
[01:31:21] other other existence, other people that
[01:31:25] that was uh uh living in the past maybe
[01:31:30] use other things that we don't know.
[01:31:32] Maybe sound.
[01:31:33] Maybe sound.
[01:31:34] Well, it seems like it if this is
[01:31:36] generating sound and vibration, if your
[01:31:38] speculation is correct,
[01:31:40] yes,
[01:31:40] that they were obsessed with vibration
[01:31:42] and sound. Yes, they were obsessed in
[01:31:46] vibrations and sound because all the
[01:31:50] structures that I that I watched inside
[01:31:53] the inside the pyramids,
[01:31:56] they are like something that generates
[01:31:59] sound or they maintain
[01:32:02] clean the sound.
[01:32:04] It resonates sound echoes. It has a very
[01:32:07] specific echo to it.
[01:32:08] The zed like that is is magnificent. The
[01:32:12] Zet is a is perfect. It's a perfect
[01:32:15] device made by stones. It's very nice.
[01:32:21] And just how how and where did they get
[01:32:25] the understanding to construct something
[01:32:27] like this? And this this is what screws
[01:32:31] up our idea of a linear timeline of
[01:32:34] human progression in civilization to go
[01:32:37] from caveman to modern 2026 human being.
[01:32:41] We like to think that it was just, oh,
[01:32:43] we figured this out, then we figured the
[01:32:44] wheel out, then it was agriculture. Now
[01:32:46] here we are today with cars,
[01:32:48] but more likely there was some peaks and
[01:32:51] valleys. We rose up to a very high level
[01:32:54] probably during Egypt and it was
[01:32:55] shattered down and it took probably a
[01:32:57] long time before civilization rebuilt
[01:33:00] itself again.
[01:33:00] Yes, Joe. And then we are we are
[01:33:03] speaking about modern living but modern
[01:33:06] living has to be sustainable,
[01:33:09] right? I don't think that our modern
[01:33:11] living is so sustainable.
[01:33:13] No,
[01:33:14] no.
[01:33:15] I mean, even our population isn't
[01:33:17] sustainable.
[01:33:18] We're in population collapse in many
[01:33:21] countries in the world, South Korea,
[01:33:23] Japan, even there's arguments about
[01:33:25] America itself
[01:33:26] that we're in population collapse.
[01:33:28] Yeah.
[01:33:28] And we're also chaotic. We we also have
[01:33:33] a very bizarre distribution of
[01:33:34] information that's filled with nonsense
[01:33:36] and lies and propaganda.
[01:33:38] Yes. lies and propaganda. Yes,
[01:33:39] we have the government that's constantly
[01:33:41] trying to censor people and control
[01:33:42] speech and limit your ability to express
[01:33:45] yourself and complain about things so
[01:33:46] they can continue to dominate resources.
[01:33:48] You have a we have a weird society
[01:33:51] today, but it's also a society because
[01:33:53] of this access to information where you
[01:33:56] can discuss and explore things in a way
[01:33:58] that has never happened before. And that
[01:34:02] is that's the most exciting thing about
[01:34:04] our time. Yeah. Because there's so much
[01:34:06] room for discussion. I I want to if if I
[01:34:10] can um to explain you something that is
[01:34:14] maybe related to philosophy or or to
[01:34:17] other things.
[01:34:19] Erh,
[01:34:21] we have an example of how uh um
[01:34:27] modern humans are a bit strange because
[01:34:30] we we are not uh made it it is like that
[01:34:34] we are not made to research uh to or to
[01:34:38] find the uh harmonics the harmonics in
[01:34:44] our living.
[01:34:46] And so uh I just want to make you an
[01:34:49] example the uh do you remember in the
[01:34:53] 80s when the uh cold fusion rises?
[01:34:57] Yeah.
[01:34:57] So
[01:34:58] maybe we we we are speaking about
[01:35:00] fleshman and pawns that made for the
[01:35:03] first time they they they had a glass of
[01:35:06] water and inside they made a a mini
[01:35:09] nuclear reaction reactor inside. They
[01:35:12] had some results that were very very
[01:35:14] poor results. I know but was a base to
[01:35:19] build something stronger.
[01:35:21] They put away that that experiment. So
[01:35:24] no they debunk that experiment. It was
[01:35:28] not good. It is not good because it is
[01:35:30] not possible.
[01:35:32] And the example of the cold fusion is
[01:35:36] how we are because cold fusion was
[01:35:41] devoted to find the energy using
[01:35:44] resonance.
[01:35:46] Resonance why how it works called
[01:35:50] fusion. We have two atoms of uh um of
[01:35:55] hydrogen. we start
[01:35:58] erh um
[01:36:01] uh we start putting together these two
[01:36:04] atoms but while we put together these
[01:36:07] two atoms the there are the atomic
[01:36:09] forces that tends to no I don't want to
[01:36:11] stay with the other atom so but then
[01:36:14] there is a limit that the atoms fuse
[01:36:17] together and it transform it is they are
[01:36:21] transformed in helium plus energy
[01:36:24] because of of mass the mass difference
[01:36:27] and so you can do energy by fusion. This
[01:36:30] is fusion not cold fusion. So you can
[01:36:33] have a fusion by forcing together the
[01:36:38] atoms that they don't want to stay
[01:36:40] together. So the force force together
[01:36:45] and this that is hot yes that that is
[01:36:48] hot fusion. Cold fusion you convince the
[01:36:52] two atoms to stay together naturally.
[01:36:56] Okay. So today
[01:37:00] uh
[01:37:00] what method do they use to convince
[01:37:01] these atoms to stay together naturally?
[01:37:03] Yes. You you have to find a third
[01:37:07] material that convince the two atom to
[01:37:10] stay together. Like you say I have a
[01:37:13] couple you have a couple a girl and a
[01:37:15] man they don't they don't want to talk
[01:37:18] one to each other. If you put a a third
[01:37:21] person
[01:37:23] uh between them at the center of them
[01:37:26] and she and maybe a third person
[01:37:30] convince the man and the girl to speak
[01:37:32] together and they will speak together.
[01:37:35] Okay. So the third material which is
[01:37:38] paladium they use paladium. Paladium has
[01:37:42] the a physical property to make speak
[01:37:46] together the two atoms and without force
[01:37:50] them they naturally transform into
[01:37:53] helium and they and they generate energy
[01:37:57] because the helium has a mass lower than
[01:38:00] the two atoms with mass difference you
[01:38:03] will
[01:38:04] you will generate energy
[01:38:06] and doing this at scale is really the
[01:38:08] holy grail of modern science And this
[01:38:10] has always been the quest.
[01:38:11] Yes. So we have two paradigma.
[01:38:14] Convincing something or obtaining the
[01:38:18] results using the force. And so the the
[01:38:21] street that you were speaking before
[01:38:25] science
[01:38:27] had this street. We want to have things
[01:38:32] by using force not convincing.
[01:38:36] Right. And that's where we are. That's
[01:38:38] nuclear power. Yes.
[01:38:39] Nuclear energy.
[01:38:42] Yes. Because h
[01:38:45] I tell you today
[01:38:48] also hot
[01:38:50] nuclear fusion does not exist
[01:38:53] because it is very difficult to to make
[01:38:57] a a huge reactor that use the tokamax or
[01:39:02] something related to laser that uses
[01:39:05] that that forces together the atoms to
[01:39:08] it's something not natural
[01:39:10] right
[01:39:10] cold fusion was natural And so the
[01:39:12] pyramids are something related to
[01:39:14] vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to
[01:39:17] something like that that
[01:39:20] it is the the right creation. That was
[01:39:23] the past.
[01:39:24] They were the right creation. They they
[01:39:26] were they were doing it the correct way.
[01:39:28] Yes. Instead of doing it against nature,
[01:39:30] they were doing it in harmony with
[01:39:31] nature.
[01:39:31] In harmony with the nature and in the
[01:39:33] universe. And that's why all the
[01:39:35] dimensions are related to the constants
[01:39:38] of the universe. The universe is like a
[01:39:40] book that is open. We have to just
[01:39:42] observe it. It is not difficult. It's
[01:39:45] very simple to read the universe.
[01:39:48] Okay. Show me more. Show me more of this
[01:39:50] uh presentation.
[01:39:52] What else do you have in here? When you
[01:39:54] go from from the the cap with the sound
[01:39:58] resonating into the supposed
[01:40:00] sarcophagus. Yes. What else?
[01:40:02] Yes, we can go to that slide.
[01:40:09] This stuff is awesome. This is my
[01:40:10] favorite subject by far out of all
[01:40:13] subjects. Ancient history and
[01:40:15] particularly ancient Egypt is my
[01:40:16] favorite subject.
[01:40:17] Okay, we stopped to speak.
[01:40:19] This is so undeniably interesting. H if
[01:40:22] we can go a slide up. Uh here look here
[01:40:27] we are dealing with something that uh uh
[01:40:29] happened uh in 202022
[01:40:33] after this uh after our our paper was
[01:40:37] published because these results are on
[01:40:39] our first paper. Look Joe
[01:40:43] that slide there that that lower. Yes.
[01:40:46] Yes.
[01:40:48] You depict chambers that were previously
[01:40:51] not known.
[01:40:52] Yeah. Right.
[01:40:53] That's the big void.
[01:40:54] Right. The big void.
[01:40:55] That's the big void. And then there is
[01:40:57] the chevron
[01:41:00] connecting with the corridor,
[01:41:03] the base of the grand gallery. That
[01:41:07] corridor was discovered six months later
[01:41:11] by Zakyawas.
[01:41:13] Wow.
[01:41:14] They made the paper but uh they I I
[01:41:19] depicted six months
[01:41:21] before.
[01:41:22] So you let them know it was there and
[01:41:23] then
[01:41:24] that's the corridor. That's the
[01:41:25] corridor.
[01:41:25] You found it. [laughter]
[01:41:28] That's the corridor. Yeah.
[01:41:29] I don't want to say that I found it, but
[01:41:32] Well, you found it. I'll say it. You
[01:41:34] found it.
[01:41:35] So your technology
[01:41:38] showed something that turned out to be
[01:41:40] true and is now established.
[01:41:42] Yes. And again, how crazy is it? They're
[01:41:45] just finding new chambers in the
[01:41:46] pyramids in the 21st century.
[01:41:50] Uh,
[01:41:51] pretty spectacular that they're just
[01:41:52] finding this now.
[01:41:55] And just yesterday, I was to examinate
[01:41:57] it again there. I don't have it. I don't
[01:42:00] have a slides here. I'm I am sorry. But
[01:42:03] there are the results of the scam
[01:42:06] pyramid project. The scam pyramid visual
[01:42:08] is very good. I it is a they are it is a
[01:42:12] very nice uh project project uh group
[01:42:17] and they discovered the uh the so-called
[01:42:20] um big void
[01:42:23] but uh there is a problem because they
[01:42:26] say the big void can be something
[01:42:28] parallel to the grand gallery so not
[01:42:32] steady but inclined like inclined
[01:42:35] and inclined right
[01:42:37] examinating results.
[01:42:42] I was observing something.
[01:42:45] Maybe I say maybe I can say that I am
[01:42:48] right of this. Maybe they are they they
[01:42:52] are mis they are confusing an inclined
[01:42:56] new chamber
[01:42:57] by the top of the they are
[01:43:01] distinguishing the top of the grand
[01:43:03] gallery and the bottom of the grand
[01:43:06] gallery like that. I observed the
[01:43:09] results but in my personal opinion
[01:43:13] the big void is not inclined but it is
[01:43:17] located where there is that red blob
[01:43:20] there.
[01:43:21] Mhm.
[01:43:21] That's the the grand gallery. Yes.
[01:43:23] There. And also up. Yes. That's the
[01:43:26] grand gallery. It is not inclined. Is is
[01:43:29] flat like that. Is how you say is um
[01:43:33] steady not inclined.
[01:43:34] Right.
[01:43:35] Um
[01:43:36] that's the grand. Why do they think it's
[01:43:38] at an incline?
[01:43:39] Because we are not seeing we are not my
[01:43:43] technique does not detect is not
[01:43:45] detecting an inclined uh chamber on the
[01:43:50] top of the grand gallery.
[01:43:51] Why do they think there's an incline?
[01:43:53] Yes, because they found two targets
[01:43:56] parallel. But I am feeling to tell them
[01:44:01] to be careful because maybe they are
[01:44:04] confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery
[01:44:06] and the and the lower part of the Grand
[01:44:10] Gallery.
[01:44:10] I see.
[01:44:11] Okay. They have to be careful.
[01:44:14] Interesting. But it's just also more
[01:44:18] evidence that your techniques are very
[01:44:20] effective and accurate
[01:44:22] because you did desri describe you have
[01:44:25] we can see the the the results that uh I
[01:44:30] uh that I um obtained on the granaso. We
[01:44:34] can see the granaso and the laboratory
[01:44:36] of granaso. That is the a perfect um uh
[01:44:42] benchmark that describes the effective
[01:44:45] effectiveness of my technique.
[01:44:47] All right. Show me some more. What else
[01:44:48] you got here?
[01:44:51] Show me another slide.
[01:44:55] Uh below I think. Ah okay. Okay. We go
[01:44:58] to Gubio. This is a a town where I live.
[01:45:03] I am uh
[01:45:05] this is Saxan. Sakahan. Yes, this is
[01:45:07] Sakahaman. And uh here I am showing you
[01:45:11] the next uh work that we uh can do uh
[01:45:16] once the Jiza scanning activity are
[01:45:19] finished it.
[01:45:20] So this is in Peru, correct? Yes.
[01:45:23] And so you want to scan this as well
[01:45:26] because uh you know we've had quite a
[01:45:27] few people on describe this.
[01:45:29] Yes. Look, Joe, the stones are like mash
[01:45:32] marshmallows.
[01:45:33] Yes,
[01:45:34] they are like marshmallows. How they did
[01:45:36] those those
[01:45:38] right
[01:45:39] those things there?
[01:45:40] Enormous. Some of them hundred tons
[01:45:44] carve from stones that who knows how
[01:45:47] they put them into position, but they
[01:45:49] carved them in this very strange way to
[01:45:51] absorb the impact of earthquakes. Right.
[01:45:54] The idea of this technology is that the
[01:45:56] reason why they're like a puzzle piece
[01:45:57] is because it would be much less likely
[01:46:00] to move in an intense earthquake.
[01:46:03] Okay.
[01:46:06] Go back
[01:46:08] just a few words on this city that is
[01:46:12] small town that is located in Peruja
[01:46:15] where I live.
[01:46:17] Um uh look um uh the the Italian the
[01:46:22] authority of this of the city of the
[01:46:24] town asked me to perform a scanning
[01:46:28] around that colosum that mini colosum
[01:46:32] that is located in Gubio because
[01:46:34] probably there is a huge Roman city not
[01:46:38] so old but it is a Roman city that
[01:46:41] compounds that arena that is there. M so
[01:46:46] a lost Roman city that's around that
[01:46:49] area.
[01:46:49] Yes. Yes.
[01:46:51] And I say hello to the people of Gubio.
[01:46:54] [laughter]
[01:46:55] So is this the next thing that you're
[01:46:57] going to do?
[01:46:57] Uh
[01:46:58] one of the next things.
[01:46:59] One of the next.
[01:46:59] But Sakai Huan is also Yes.
[01:47:02] Yeah.
[01:47:02] Ah and there is also
[01:47:05] Carakora also. Very interesting. The the
[01:47:08] slide 51 please.
[01:47:12] Yes. Yes. Carakora. Yes. This this is
[01:47:18] located in Russia and there are
[01:47:22] huge structures inside there.
[01:47:26] And uh
[01:47:27] this is in Russia.
[01:47:29] Yes. Yes. And nobody knows the the
[01:47:32] purpose of the of those things there.
[01:47:33] Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.
[01:47:38] And how big are these [clears throat]
[01:47:39] things? Can you keep that up there?
[01:47:40] Find other pictures of it so you see
[01:47:42] what it look like. Just keep this up
[01:47:43] just for a couple seconds. I just like
[01:47:44] how how big are we what are we looking
[01:47:46] at here?
[01:47:47] Yes, we have 9 + 16 + 7 + 10 plus 36 and
[01:47:53] they go below. So maybe two or 300 m
[01:47:56] below
[01:47:57] two or 300 m and there's this immense
[01:48:00] rectangle at the bottom of these
[01:48:01] corridors.
[01:48:02] Yeah. And and it goes more more deeply
[01:48:06] and so they nobody knows what there is.
[01:48:09] And if you look at that image, it's
[01:48:11] clearly a man-made structure.
[01:48:13] It's man-made. Absolutely. Yes.
[01:48:14] I mean, look, there's stones. They're
[01:48:16] they're placed.
[01:48:16] Yeah.
[01:48:18] That is nuts.
[01:48:20] That's crazy.
[01:48:20] And they don't they there's no
[01:48:22] historical timeline, no understanding of
[01:48:24] who did it.
[01:48:25] No.
[01:48:26] Wow.
[01:48:28] So, it's likely that there's structures
[01:48:30] like this that exist that are
[01:48:32] undiscovered probably all over the
[01:48:34] world.
[01:48:34] Yeah. Yes. The the nice thing of this is
[01:48:40] is this satellites are global globally.
[01:48:45] So one satellite flies from let's say
[01:48:49] south pole north pole south south pole
[01:48:53] like that
[01:48:54] right
[01:48:54] because of the angular momentum
[01:48:56] conservation
[01:48:58] the let's say the wheel of the orbit
[01:49:03] remains steady and the earth rotates
[01:49:07] inside this circle the circle remains
[01:49:10] steady like that. So at least once a
[01:49:14] day, one satellite can observe
[01:49:18] potentially any part of the globe in one
[01:49:21] day.
[01:49:21] M
[01:49:22] so you can program snapshots where you
[01:49:26] want in all the earth in one day.
[01:49:29] And how [clears throat] many satellites
[01:49:31] are up there? Ah there are uh uh the
[01:49:33] satellites that uh contains on board of
[01:49:36] them
[01:49:38] a payload
[01:49:40] uh composed by a synthetic version
[01:49:42] rather there are a lot there are
[01:49:45] different satellites companies that uh
[01:49:48] provides these services.
[01:49:51] So uh today it is possible to decide to
[01:49:55] observe something. Okay. I call the
[01:49:58] company and they put case for me an
[01:50:00] image.
[01:50:01] And this structure in Russia, how was
[01:50:04] this initially discovered? Was it
[01:50:06] discovered by explorers?
[01:50:07] Manually by explorers
[01:50:08] manually. Yes. And how did they get the
[01:50:10] dimensions of it? Are people able to go
[01:50:12] all the way down into it?
[01:50:13] That man because there is only a a a man
[01:50:17] that went down because it's very narrow.
[01:50:20] But once you go down be everything
[01:50:22] becomes very huge and large. Measure it
[01:50:25] manually all those depths. But more
[01:50:29] there than then you can't go because
[01:50:31] maybe it's too narrow. I don't know.
[01:50:34] He's okay.
[01:50:35] Did you find any images of that Jamie
[01:50:37] online?
[01:50:38] I'm looking into something.
[01:50:40] I'm stuck in a hole. Hold on.
[01:50:43] Someone was sort of saying it's in a
[01:50:44] different spot and now I try to track it
[01:50:46] down. These are also weirdly only
[01:50:48] getting talked about over the last
[01:50:49] month. So I am digging down a different
[01:50:52] path.
[01:50:52] When did they discover this?
[01:50:54] This I don't remember.
[01:50:56] 2011.
[01:50:57] 2011.
[01:50:58] That's crazy.
[01:50:59] The fact that they don't know who made
[01:51:01] it or why,
[01:51:02] but it is clearly man-made. You're
[01:51:05] seeing these stones perfectly cut
[01:51:07] stacked on top of each other.
[01:51:08] Yes. And you have the same uh
[01:51:12] Oh, okay. It says it's currently known
[01:51:14] from fringe social media and YouTube
[01:51:16] style sources rather than former
[01:51:17] archaeological publications because it
[01:51:19] hasn't been explored. Correct.
[01:51:21] Yeah. It's 15 years ago though.
[01:51:22] Yeah. Pretty pretty nuts. But I mean,
[01:51:24] who's doing that kind of work in Russia,
[01:51:26] especially now? Deep underground shaft
[01:51:29] lined with large parallel megalithic
[01:51:31] stone blocks with walls described as
[01:51:33] straight and polished suggest suggest
[01:51:36] artificial construction rather than a
[01:51:38] natural cave or fissure. And this is all
[01:51:40] from our sponsor Perplexity that we run
[01:51:43] all of our questions through and it's
[01:51:45] always been very accurate. Said to lie
[01:51:48] somewhere between in the Russian Caucus,
[01:51:50] often simply uh described simply as
[01:51:53] North Cauus or Cauus Mountains uh with
[01:51:56] videos and posts presenting it as
[01:51:58] evidence of unknown or very ancient
[01:51:59] civilization with advanced stonework
[01:52:01] techniques.
[01:52:03] Crazy that they don't know who made
[01:52:05] this. There's no accessible
[01:52:07] peer-reviewed archaeological articles,
[01:52:09] official Russian heritage records, or
[01:52:11] academic monographs that describe the
[01:52:13] site formally named the Carahora. Is am
[01:52:17] I saying that right? Carora
[01:52:19] Kahora shaft.
[01:52:20] Caror shaft, which strongly suggests the
[01:52:22] claim has not been vetted by mainstream
[01:52:24] archaeology, but you know, look, it
[01:52:26] exists.
[01:52:27] Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't
[01:52:28] matter like what who made it? What is
[01:52:31] it?
[01:52:32] Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea
[01:52:36] that that existed. [laughter]
[01:52:38] And it just it makes you think like if
[01:52:40] they just found that in 2011 and
[01:52:43] manually,
[01:52:43] right,
[01:52:44] and maybe doing a a wide a wide uh
[01:52:48] research by satellites, maybe starting
[01:52:50] from there or other sites
[01:52:54] between that that Kahora, maybe we will
[01:52:56] find other things,
[01:52:57] right? It could be a part of an enormous
[01:52:59] complex. I mean, who knows? But just the
[01:53:01] fact that that exists and that a human
[01:53:04] made that or humans made that, that's
[01:53:06] crazy.
[01:53:08] The whole thing is crazy because it
[01:53:10] really like anybody that boy the modern
[01:53:12] archaeologists and people that are the
[01:53:14] gatekeepers of archaeological
[01:53:15] information are fighting an uphill
[01:53:17] battle because like you can't at at a
[01:53:20] certain point in time you have to give
[01:53:21] up and go I don't know. And that's an I
[01:53:23] don't know moment like
[01:53:24] yes this and I don't know.
[01:53:26] What the hell is that?
[01:53:27] What is that? I don't Show me some more
[01:53:29] images, Jamie, cuz it's really kooky
[01:53:31] of the shaft.
[01:53:32] Yeah, just that what that looks like.
[01:53:33] That's I'm trying to It's I'm digging
[01:53:35] down a hole and it there's a post here
[01:53:37] on
[01:53:38] Yes, there are.
[01:53:39] This is a like they're misinterpreting
[01:53:41] something.
[01:53:42] This is Jay Anderson who's been on the
[01:53:44] podcast recently.
[01:53:45] This is the tweet I found. Uh how about
[01:53:46] some fat chunk car um in the kab
[01:53:51] cabardino bulria republic north caucus
[01:53:55] of the Russian Federation is a different
[01:53:57] place from carakoto
[01:53:59] so carora and carako so there's more
[01:54:02] than one place
[01:54:03] I'm I'm trying to I haven't I'm just
[01:54:05] googling stuff it's it all comes from
[01:54:07] this one video it seems like because
[01:54:08] everyone's pointing to this video and
[01:54:10] this video is compiled of all sorts of
[01:54:12] stuff
[01:54:13] it's got 3 million views from 2024
[01:54:15] forest. I can see how it goes when it
[01:54:17] went viral, you know.
[01:54:18] Mhm.
[01:54:18] But, uh, it starts off with just showing
[01:54:22] that and I don't, you know,
[01:54:23] so this is probably the entry to this
[01:54:25] area
[01:54:25] maybe. But again, no one knows they
[01:54:27] can't tell you where that is like on a
[01:54:29] map,
[01:54:30] right? Got it.
[01:54:31] Look how precise they are.
[01:54:33] So, I this might be
[01:54:36] who knows.
[01:54:36] Yeah. Could be real, could be nonsense.
[01:54:38] Well, the the images of that guy
[01:54:39] standing there looking outside of that
[01:54:42] opening that you showed earlier in your
[01:54:44] presentation is just bananas. But
[01:54:47] whatever this is is
[01:54:48] that's I don't know where it's from. You
[01:54:50] know, it could be
[01:54:50] right. Do they have any video of once
[01:54:52] they got all the way down through? So
[01:54:54] here. Okay, let's keep going. See what
[01:54:57] it looks like.
[01:54:59] And I don't even know.
[01:55:02] Yeah. So someone else has done narration
[01:55:04] on it. Mhm.
[01:55:06] It's coming from a different channel. I
[01:55:08] can see a tag on there. It's coming from
[01:55:09] a different show.
[01:55:10] God, look at the right angles, though.
[01:55:12] This is nuts.
[01:55:13] Yes.
[01:55:14] I mean, it's clearly looks like
[01:55:15] something man-made. [clears throat]
[01:55:18] Look how precise they are.
[01:55:19] Yeah, it's crazy.
[01:55:21] That's man-made. It's absolutely
[01:55:22] man-made.
[01:55:25] There are also a comparison what with
[01:55:27] the with the dimensions of the
[01:55:29] dimensions.
[01:55:30] Wow. What the hell is that?
[01:55:35] That means what the hell is that? It's
[01:55:37] crazy. And they found it in 2011. Yeah.
[01:55:39] I mean, imagine how much more of this
[01:55:41] stuff.
[01:55:42] I mean, that's one of the things about
[01:55:44] Gob Beckley. They've only observed 5% of
[01:55:46] it.
[01:55:47] I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered and
[01:55:49] and through ground penetrating radar,
[01:55:51] they know of multiple sites nearby.
[01:55:53] Yes. But ground penetrated radar has a
[01:55:55] problem.
[01:55:56] What is the problem? The problem of
[01:55:57] ground penetrating radar is uh the
[01:56:01] penetration depth is few meters enough.
[01:56:05] So it's a pro there is a problem of
[01:56:07] penetration depth but
[01:56:10] in that depth you are very precise. So
[01:56:12] you have to take into account that more
[01:56:15] than 15 20 m you below you can't go
[01:56:19] right but using that method they have
[01:56:23] found all these structures that exist.
[01:56:25] It's a good method uh for uh in C2
[01:56:28] exploration. Yes. And so you can find
[01:56:31] nice things with using ground
[01:56:33] penetrating radar if you want to to
[01:56:37] perform a wide area uh rough uh let's
[01:56:41] say rough um uh scanning uh you you can
[01:56:45] use my method. So you can you can find
[01:56:48] huge things on wide area. for the the
[01:56:52] details. It's okay. Ground penetrating
[01:56:54] radar.
[01:56:55] Um, is there anything else you want to
[01:56:56] show us that's in your presentation that
[01:56:58] you think Okay, show me some more stuff.
[01:57:00] Yes, it's a pleasure.
[01:57:01] Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me,
[01:57:02] too. Thank you. Thank you for being
[01:57:04] here.
[01:57:05] Okay,
[01:57:06] thank you for inviting.
[01:57:07] Uh, Carora, is that how you say it?
[01:57:09] Carora. Kora.
[01:57:11] Carakora.
[01:57:11] Carakora.
[01:57:13] So, this is a carora. So, that image, go
[01:57:15] back one more time to carora. That, so
[01:57:17] that's a legitimate image. That's not AI
[01:57:19] generated. This is This is these guys
[01:57:22] standing in
[01:57:24] clearly what looks like megalithic
[01:57:26] stones stacked on top of each other.
[01:57:28] Clearly man-made.
[01:57:30] Yes. Clearly man-made because look, you
[01:57:31] see
[01:57:32] Yes.
[01:57:32] You see the blocks?
[01:57:33] Yeah. You see the blocks? It's [ __ ]
[01:57:35] nuts.
[01:57:37] No, but okay, we can we can understand
[01:57:39] that it's possible maybe it's possible
[01:57:41] to build something like that.
[01:57:42] Sure, it's possible.
[01:57:43] The purpose,
[01:57:44] right? The purpose and when and who and
[01:57:46] what civilization,
[01:57:48] right? Like who did that? That's That is
[01:57:50] insane.
[01:57:52] What even is that?
[01:57:53] What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's
[01:57:56] ropes that go across and that's what
[01:57:58] you're seeing.
[01:57:59] And you're seeing
[01:58:00] that rope go where's his arm and where
[01:58:01] does the rope go to?
[01:58:02] Well, he's got his arm posted on the
[01:58:04] side of that wall and that rope goes
[01:58:06] across and you're just not seeing it
[01:58:07] because of the darkness.
[01:58:08] Is that like he's leaning against
[01:58:10] something there, too?
[01:58:11] Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on
[01:58:12] that wall. That opening. There's an
[01:58:14] opening in that shaft. Um, so what else
[01:58:17] is next in this in this presentation?
[01:58:20] Okay.
[01:58:21] Yeah. Which way should I go?
[01:58:23] Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see.
[01:58:26] Go back. Then we have Gubio. And there
[01:58:29] here we have the Osaris shafts which we
[01:58:31] use this shaft, the Osaris shaft like a
[01:58:34] benchmark because we we are able to
[01:58:37] understand the effectiveness of our
[01:58:40] technique that is able to retrive the
[01:58:42] shape of the osaris shaft. Why the
[01:58:44] shaft? because it's a benchmark that we
[01:58:46] know uh exactly how it is established
[01:58:50] and and uh and uh
[01:58:52] so it accurately depicts the Osiris.
[01:58:54] Yes. Yes.
[01:58:57] Um what else?
[01:58:58] Okay, let's go there. Okay. The uh 43 43
[01:59:05] Yes. Uh this is uh uh the Sangotard
[01:59:09] tunnel and here uh I made an exploration
[01:59:14] using my technique uh in order to
[01:59:16] retrive the shape of the railway tunnel
[01:59:20] that it is uh approximately 2 kilometers
[01:59:24] below uh the the the mountain and the
[01:59:28] slide 44.
[01:59:30] uh we can uh understand that in this
[01:59:33] case the Alps the the mountain resonates
[01:59:37] like a crystal. So you are seeing you
[01:59:40] are watching the mountain in the
[01:59:42] vibrational domain. So it's like
[01:59:45] a photograph a photo uh pick picked up
[01:59:49] or um uh synthe
[01:59:55] in in that case uh we can see the slide
[01:59:58] 45 and 46 we are detecting the tunnel
[02:00:03] the the tunnel yes that's the railway
[02:00:06] tunnel that is located below the earth.
[02:00:08] Wow.
[02:00:11] So this is just more proof of the
[02:00:13] accuracy of the technique.
[02:00:15] Yes. Yes.
[02:00:18] This is some really stunning stuff.
[02:00:20] Yes. That I can explain you other
[02:00:22] experiments. We can go starting from uh
[02:00:27] slide 36. Okay. Slide 36. This is a dam
[02:00:32] and this very it is a very important
[02:00:34] dam. It is a the Mosul dam that is
[02:00:37] located in Iraq.
[02:00:40] uh is very huge is 300 m tall has a
[02:00:47] height of 300 m and 3 kilometers from
[02:00:50] one part to the other part of the dam.
[02:00:53] So it contains a a a huge amount of
[02:00:58] water from the uh upper side. There is
[02:01:01] the water that contains and below there
[02:01:04] there is the the river that uh uh the
[02:01:08] water comes out from the reservoir that
[02:01:11] is on top. Why the musul dam? The musul
[02:01:13] dam has a problem.
[02:01:16] Uh it has been built on a a bed of
[02:01:21] jesso. How you sayum? Japsum. Yes. And
[02:01:25] gypsum is uh um while is in contact of
[02:01:31] water it melts. So the musul dam is
[02:01:35] dangerous because it has a serious
[02:01:37] problem of stabilization.
[02:01:41] In this case, uh there are a lot of
[02:01:44] that's called satellites methods and
[02:01:47] synthetic virtual rather methods that
[02:01:49] are devoted to uh perform the so-called
[02:01:53] infrastructure monitoring. And in this
[02:01:56] case, the musul dam is crucial to be uh
[02:01:59] observed by radar. In this case, I
[02:02:02] wanted to see the the slide 37 please.
[02:02:08] Erh here uh inside the dam look that
[02:02:11] there is a tunnel the red line the
[02:02:16] tunnel.
[02:02:16] Mhm.
[02:02:17] And here we have uh we have um uh we
[02:02:21] have uh uh people that are working uh
[02:02:25] inside the tunnel and the the task was
[02:02:28] my technique is with my technique is
[02:02:31] possible to detect the tunnel. We go in
[02:02:34] slide 38.
[02:02:37] Okay. And we see on the uh right top
[02:02:40] there is the tunnel.
[02:02:42] Just to explain you where you see red
[02:02:44] the vibration energy is high so is red.
[02:02:48] When you see blue the vibration has
[02:02:51] energy is low. Okay is low and inside
[02:02:56] the tunnel because you have the air you
[02:02:58] don't have vibration. So is low and so
[02:03:01] you see the tunnel.
[02:03:03] Okay.
[02:03:05] And so we were also able to detect slide
[02:03:09] 39 also the principal facility that are
[02:03:13] uh located inside the dam which are the
[02:03:15] turbinas
[02:03:17] the turbines
[02:03:18] the turbines
[02:03:19] right
[02:03:20] and uh and other stuff and all the
[02:03:22] mechanical the mechanical uh um
[02:03:26] machines. This is the all the mechanical
[02:03:29] machines that are located inside.
[02:03:31] All right. So it's showing the accurate
[02:03:32] shape of the turbines as well. So this
[02:03:34] is just more proof that this technique
[02:03:36] works.
[02:03:36] Yes. And so we go uh slide 31.
[02:03:41] On slide 31. Okay. Here this is the
[02:03:43] grandaso. Uh how nice is this? Uh is for
[02:03:47] me very nice because I I born here.
[02:03:49] This is the particle collider.
[02:03:51] Yeah. Inside the the mountain in the
[02:03:54] core of the mountain there is the the
[02:03:56] laboratory here. And uh and the the the
[02:04:01] task was can I uh detect the facility
[02:04:05] that this inside the mountain. And so uh
[02:04:09] we we are now uh in the slide 32
[02:04:14] and 33.
[02:04:16] Okay. And we can see okay the facility
[02:04:21] that is ENFN is the institute of
[02:04:24] nationality the physical nuclear
[02:04:26] m you see the shape of it in there
[02:04:29] yeah national institute uh of of nuclear
[02:04:32] physics the Italian national institute
[02:04:34] of nuclear physics
[02:04:36] and that's more than a kilometer deep
[02:04:37] into the mountain
[02:04:38] 1.4 four and uh yes and slide 30 35 we
[02:04:44] we can see we can see the the the
[02:04:47] laboratory.
[02:04:48] Wow.
[02:04:48] Yeah, this is the laboratory.
[02:04:50] That's crazy.
[02:04:52] That's crazy.
[02:04:54] So using your techniques you get an
[02:04:56] accurate depiction of the dimensions of
[02:04:59] this laboratory.
[02:05:01] Yeah.
[02:05:01] Wow.
[02:05:02] And that's that uh that triangle is
[02:05:05] called the interferometer.
[02:05:07] So when you have two lasers that uh and
[02:05:10] goes together and they they and it uh
[02:05:14] you can study the the pattern the
[02:05:16] interference pattern that coherent
[02:05:18] signals are generating you can use an
[02:05:22] interpherometer and that's the
[02:05:23] interferometer.
[02:05:25] Wow.
[02:05:28] This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing
[02:05:31] and I I I feel like we're at the
[02:05:32] beginning of a very fascinating journey.
[02:05:35] Yeah. You know, and I think that your
[02:05:37] work and this research and all the
[02:05:39] controversy is good. All the controversy
[02:05:42] around it is just going to make more
[02:05:43] people talk about it, more people
[02:05:44] discuss it, and more people understand.
[02:05:46] And it just seems to me that the more
[02:05:48] they research it, the more the mystery
[02:05:50] opens up, and that it is without a doubt
[02:05:53] one of the most astounding discoveries
[02:05:54] in human history.
[02:05:56] Yes.
[02:05:58] Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on
[02:06:00] discovering it and thank you so much for
[02:06:02] all your hard work because I mean uh
[02:06:04] like I said is to me one of the most
[02:06:06] fascinating subjects and you know what
[02:06:09] Graham always speaks of is that we are a
[02:06:11] species with amnesia.
[02:06:13] Yes.
[02:06:13] And
[02:06:14] and I agree with this with that
[02:06:16] and you know it's one of the reasons why
[02:06:18] so many people are mad at him is because
[02:06:19] he was right. He was right in the 1990s,
[02:06:22] you know, and and as time goes on, he is
[02:06:25] being proven more and more to be correct
[02:06:28] and things just seem to keep getting
[02:06:30] older.
[02:06:30] Yes,
[02:06:31] it's amazing. Thank you so much for
[02:06:33] being here. I really, really appreciate
[02:06:35] your time and I appreciate your work and
[02:06:36] thank you for inviting me.
[02:06:38] My pleasure. Let's do it again when more
[02:06:39] stuff comes out.
[02:06:40] Okay, I'm here.
[02:06:42] If anybody wants to find more about
[02:06:43] this, where would you uh send them to?
[02:06:46] Is there a website that would give them
[02:06:47] more information if they want to do a
[02:06:49] deep dive? Yes. Um I have a personal
[02:06:53] website which is harmonicsar.com and I
[02:06:56] publish.
[02:06:57] Say that again. Harmonics.com. Yes.
[02:06:59] Harmonicar.
[02:07:00] It's man. It's
[02:07:01] synthetic aperture radar is sar. So
[02:07:03] harmonicsar.com.
[02:07:05] Yes.
[02:07:06] Filippo beond.
[02:07:07] I mean
[02:07:08] you're the man. Thank you, sir. Really
[02:07:10] appreciate you being Thank you. All
[02:07:11] right. [music] Bye everybody.
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