# ER Doctor Reveals: What's Really Causing Heart Attacks in Young Indians

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[00:00] A lot of people actually think that they're healthy.
[00:02] Last year, about a 25-year-old who came in with a stroke.
[00:05] I can't be sick cuz I think I lead a healthy lifestyle.
[00:10] An emergency and a trauma physician begins to question mainstream dietary narratives based on what he sees on front lines.
[00:17] I am seeing it.
[00:19] I have recognized the matrix.
[00:21] India is the diabetes capital of the world.
[00:24] One in every five or one in every eight diabetic in the world is an Indian.
[00:27] We have something called insulin in our body, which I call a defense mechanism.
[00:30] I mean, how many doctors do you know who can proudly say that my OPD footfall has gone down because I cured their chronic disease?
[00:38] I mean, carnivore is just all meat.
[00:40] You can have chicken, seafood, eggs, pork, beef, buff, you know, whatever is your choice.
[00:45] You think a carnivore diet can solve all these or it takes care of You've got all the essential nutrients in the right amounts in bioavailable and bio digestible forms.
[00:53] Pick up any book and it'll always say animal proteins are superior to plant proteins.
[00:58] They'll always say it.
[00:58] Why?
[01:00] This is not just a conversation about carnivore or controversy.
[01:04] It's a conversation about what happens when real-world medicine collides with modern nutrition debates.
[01:11] Vitamin B12 is plain simple animal products.
[01:13] You don't get it from any plants.
[01:14] But readily available vitamin D3, animal products.
[01:16] Vitamin K2, animal products.
[01:18] Vitamin E, animal products.
[01:20] You get it all from there.
[01:22] When I ask dietitians, which vitamins and minerals are you talking about?
[01:25] They don't know.
[01:26] You don't need exogenous carbohydrates.
[01:28] Your liver makes glucose every day 24/7 365 for you.
[01:30] How many people get tested every year?
[01:32] 63% had hypertension.
[01:35] So, you can imagine how sick we are.
[01:38] But the question is, do you want to be the oldest 30-year-old in the room or the youngest 70-year-old?
[01:52] The carnivore diet, once considered extreme, fringe, even controversial, has suddenly moved into the global spotlight.
[01:59] Supporters call it metabolic
[02:02] Reset.
[02:02] Critics call it dangerous.
[02:04] And millions of people are caught somewhere in between trying to understand whether everything they are taught about nutrition actually needs to be re-examined.
[02:12] From cholesterol debates to plant-based versus meat-based ideologies, the world of health feels louder, more divided, and more confusing than ever.
[02:25] But away from all these podcasts, social media clips, and online arguments, there are doctors visiting the real outcomes of these choices every single day.
[02:36] Inside emergency rooms, health isn't a theory.
[02:38] It's a patient arriving with a crisis that often took years to build silently.
[02:43] And then an emergency and a trauma physician begins to question mainstream dietary narratives based on what he sees on front lines.
[02:53] The conversation moves from opinion to lived clinical reality.
[02:56] Today's guest sits right at this intersection.
[02:59] A practicing ER doctor who went through his own
[03:03] dramatic health transformation and now is challenging long-held beliefs about food, metabolism, and lifestyle in India.
[03:11] This is not just a conversation about carnivore or controversy.
[03:16] It's a conversation about what happens when real-world medicine collides with modern nutrition debates.
[03:21] Dr. Ankur, welcome to the show.
[03:24] Welcome to Beyond Titles.
[03:26] I'm actually really, really looking forward to this conversation about carnivore.
[03:29] I've been hearing about this a lot.
[03:32] But now I I'm actually looking at this I'm actually wondering how the science works.
[03:35] And I I'm sure a lot of people in India, especially, really, really want to listen about about all this.
[03:41] Yeah, thanks, Mansoor.
[03:43] Wow, that was that was quite the intro, man.
[03:44] I'm all yours for whatever time it takes.
[03:47] No, absolutely.
[03:49] So, I think so before we go into carnivore, before we move into science, before we move into diet, one question you are an you are an ER doctor, right?
[03:55] And and I'm sure patients walk to your you know, hospital who are unwell.
[04:01] Give
[04:04] us few examples.
[04:07] I'm sure you say you said that you know, you sometimes people come and you can see their faces and you can see that they may look healthy, but their parameters may not be healthy.
[04:17] So, so just give give few examples about that.
[04:19] Yeah, I mean, see, emergency medicine is a specialty that deals with every kind of patient, every socioeconomic strata, and every kind of disease, right?
[04:30] We are the safety net for the population, all the communities across, right?
[04:33] And we see a lot of different kinds of cases, you know, we've got heart attacks coming in, we've got strokes coming in, traumas, you know, diabetic ketoacidosis and other complications of diabetes, chronic kidney disease patients, a lot of critical infections, sepsis, septic shock, seizures, pediatric seizures.
[04:51] So, a lot of them, right?
[04:54] And uh a lot of people actually think that they're healthy.
[04:55] Last year, about 25-year-old who came in with a stroke, right, which is like a brain attack, you paralyze from one side.
[05:03] And I'm like, what do you eat?
[05:06] And I eat healthy.
[05:08] I said, you know, you've had two heart attacks before.
[05:10] A 25-year-old?
[05:11] Yes.
[05:11] You've had two heart attacks before and now you've landed up with with a stroke.
[05:15] Clearly, there's something very wrong with you, right?
[05:16] How can you say that you're healthy?
[05:18] You're already on medications also.
[05:20] So, people have this misconception that they're very healthy.
[05:22] This was somebody who was actually had issues from before, right?
[05:24] I've had so many others who've come in who have no known comorbid conditions.
[05:26] Means they've never been tested before and nothing came out because they've never been tested, right?
[05:30] And then they've come in with a first-time heart attack or a first-time infection or whatever.
[05:34] And you know, you come in with a cough, cold, fever, and I see that your sugars are 250, right?
[05:37] Means that you have diabetes.
[05:39] Since when?
[05:41] I don't know.
[05:43] You also don't know.
[05:45] The patient doesn't know.
[05:48] He's lucky that he came in because he felt sick.
[05:50] Otherwise, he would have been living with that diabetes for longer and might have come in with some other complication, right?
[05:52] So, this this is the kind of picture.
[05:54] And if you look around you, even in your circle, Suraj, how many people get tested every year?
[06:08] You know, and there are two reasons behind it.
[06:09] One, I can't be sick cuz I think I live lead a healthy lifestyle.
[06:14] Or what if something comes out?
[06:16] What if what am I going to do about that?
[06:19] Right?
[06:19] So, so this is This is what's This This scared.
[06:23] It's better that we you you get scared and and you fix yourself rather than coming to my emergency department.
[06:29] So, I keep telling people, help me save your lives lives by not coming into the emergency department.
[06:36] Means fix it up so that you don't have an emergency which lands you up in my department.
[06:43] That's something that people should think about.
[06:44] I mean, how many doctors do you know who can proudly say that my OPD footfall has gone down because my patients don't need me anymore because I cured their chronic disease and they do not require any more medications and they're fit and fine.
[06:56] How many?
[06:59] You go to a doctor, they'll write you a prescription.
[07:00] Fair enough.
[07:02] That's their job, right?
[07:04] And probably you'll keep following up with him or some other doctor for life.
[07:09] And those medications will keep getting added, right?
[07:13] And then you'll end up with something else and you'll have side effects and they'll put on another medication.
[07:17] And then so that is what we see.
[07:20] We see the complications of these metabolic syndromes coming in or metabolic dysfunction that people have, the diseases, or the complications of the medications that they might be on, right?
[07:29] This is what we're seeing.
[07:31] The thing is, I have woken up.
[07:33] I am seeing it.
[07:35] I have recognized the matrix.
[07:37] Just trying to raise awareness so that others also see this.
[07:40] It's really important.
[07:41] I mean, as doctors, there's nothing against them.
[07:43] They're doing their jobs and they're doing a pretty good job, I think, of what they've been taught.
[07:46] But then, we're doctors, are IQs supposed to be a little higher, apparently, right?
[07:53] And we need to get beyond our egos and something that I call a thought disorder that are we doing the right thing even if we've been taught?
[08:03] Was it the right thing?
[08:06] Is it actually helping society?
[08:08] Is it actually helping the community?
[08:10] I mean, you've got chronic kidney diseases coming in for dialysis every week.
[08:15] Who's fixing them up?
[08:15] We're just helping them live longer on medications and on what I call external life support.
[08:24] Right?
[08:24] That's not a healthy life.
[08:26] And and you did mention that India actually is one of the most metabolically sickest countries.
[08:29] I I I heard it.
[08:31] What do you mean by that?
[08:31] And why metabolic I mean, why did you use the word metabolically first of all, just to understand for everyone?
[08:36] And why?
[08:39] Yeah, everything's everything's about metabolism.
[08:40] Your my your mitochondria, it's it's diseased, right?
[08:42] So, every metabolism in your body gets affected.
[08:48] So, you know, in in in a in a bad way, right?
[08:49] It's it's getting diseased, right?
[08:52] And all of these are metabolic disorders.
[08:54] Be it diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, hypothyroidism, PCOS, fatty pancreas, fatty liver, Alzheimer's, dementia, you know, a lot a lot of other things.
[09:03] And India is the diabetes capital of the world.
[09:05] I think, if I'm not wrong, one in every five or one in every eight
[09:12] Diabetic in the world is an Indian.
[09:16] Can you imagine that?
[09:18] Right?
[09:19] Lancet, I think, recently published in their study data that 19% of the Indians had documented diabetes, right?
[09:25] I just finished a study documented, you're saying?
[09:27] Documented, yeah.
[09:28] And about 19% give or take one or two percent.
[09:32] Uh I just finished a study in my own department where we were studying patients who had known comorbid conditions, who came in with documented disease from before, and we were studying their dietary preferences, lifestyle choices, all of that, right?
[09:43] 49.9% had diabetes out of 11,000 patients.
[09:45] 49.9, every second person had diabetes.
[09:50] 63% had hypertension.
[09:53] 26%, 1/4, had heart disease.
[09:57] So, you can imagine how sick we are.
[10:01] That is why I said a lot of people have this misconception that uh unfortunately that India is a very healthy country.
[10:07] We're not.
[10:09] We're not. We're not. And and now coming to the question and where I think so the
[10:14] whole podcast will go is the carnivore diet which you really believe in.
[10:18] So, first things, what is a carnivore diet?
[10:21] I mean just to understand, what do you eat?
[10:23] I want to understand what do you eat?
[10:25] What do you don't eat specifically?
[10:27] Which which we may think is eatable or which we think is good and right and and and just to understand first key hey guy to see it to something key carnivore hey guy.
[10:36] Yeah. Yeah.
[10:37] I mean carnivore is just all meat, right?
[10:39] You have red meat.
[10:41] You can have chicken, seafood, eggs.
[10:44] Right? Pork, beef, buff, you know, whatever is your choice.
[10:47] Uh mutton. And that's about it.
[10:49] That's all we eat.
[10:51] That's all I eat. Nothing else.
[10:53] No bread, no fruit.
[10:53] There's no breads.
[10:55] There's no vegetables.
[10:55] Maybe I can use some some uh onion or ginger garlic for cooking uh the Indian curries if I want.
[11:02] But otherwise there's nothing else.
[11:04] Absolutely nothing.
[11:05] Removed all antinutrients.
[11:07] What do you mean by antinutrients?
[11:10] That's an interesting concept, right?
[11:11] It's not a concept, it's actually proven science, right?
[11:12] So,
[11:14] Antinutrients are these defense chemicals produced by all plants, cereals, grains, vegetables.
[11:21] Right?
[11:21] Because they cannot run away from you.
[11:24] They're sentient beings.
[11:24] You've heard, right?
[11:25] I mean a sunflower looks towards the sun, right?
[11:27] You've got these Venus flytraps which go and which which not go but hunt uh flies and other things.
[11:34] Right?
[11:34] You have this mother tree in a in a park or a forest which goes down, spreads its roots to find water for the rest of uh the vegetations around.
[11:44] Uh there have been studies where, you know, mustard leaves when they're being eaten by a caterpillar that particular leaf gives a signal to the rest of the plant to produce more mustard so it becomes so bitter that caterpillar can't go and eat the other part.
[11:57] Right?
[11:59] You've got these studies where uh they've actually recorded tobacco and tomato plants screaming when they're being cut.
[12:08] So, they're sentient beings.
[12:08] They have these defense chemicals.
[12:10] How many times Rajma khane ke baad gas hota hai?
[12:13] Suna hai na?
[12:15] Exactly, right?
[12:16] So, when you have kidney beans you have a lot of gastritis.
[12:19] Why why because it's got lectins and phytates.
[12:21] It's got these antinutrients which don't let you uh absorb whatever little bit of nutrient that might be there.
[12:26] It's covering it.
[12:28] And it's supposed to cause you symptoms.
[12:31] Right? It's supposed to cause you disease.
[12:32] And it's not like the disease is going to happen in one day.
[12:34] It takes time.
[12:36] Similarly, you have something called oxalates.
[12:38] That's present in a lot of these superfoods that we feel is really important for us.
[12:44] And we'll go through that later on.
[12:46] you said antinutrients.
[12:46] The fruits khare hum, hum vegetables khare hai, right?
[12:51] Uh which is the healthiest of foods from any dietitian, any doctor, any any person who's saying, right?
[12:55] Everyone says key eat more vegetables.
[12:59] Mhm.
[13:00] Right? Yeah.
[13:00] Whatever vegetables it is.
[13:03] That's what I'm trying to say key you are totally the opposite side key a vegetable be mat khao to hamara healthiest food hai.
[13:07] A fruits be mat khao to din me do teen bar khao because it is it has XYZ things.
[13:11] It may have minerals, it may have vitamins, it may have I don't know what all.
[13:15] Exactly, let me stop you there.
[13:17] When I ask people when I ask dietitians, which vitamins and minerals are you talking about?
[13:21] They don't know.
[13:23] You have fat-soluble vitamins and water-soluble vitamins, right?
[13:27] Your fat-soluble vitamins are A, D, E, K.
[13:29] Right?
[13:29] And you need bioavailable forms.
[13:31] Vitamin A, a lot of people think carrots, gajar, is good for the eyes.
[13:35] It's got beta-carotene, right?
[13:37] That needs to be converted into retinol by the body.
[13:39] It's not a readily available or readily bioavailable and biodigestible vitamin for us.
[13:44] Right?
[13:44] And it requires fat.
[13:47] You don't get any fat in carrot.
[13:48] If I'm having carrot like this, it is useless.
[13:50] It's useless.
[13:52] Where do you get retinol from?
[13:54] Egg yolks, red meat.
[13:56] Organs.
[13:58] Vitamin D.
[13:59] You need vitamin D3, readily available form.
[14:01] Where do you get it from?
[14:02] Only animal products.
[14:03] Not from any plants.
[14:03] Even the sunlight se aapko vitamin D nahi milta hai.
[14:06] You get UVA and UVB.
[14:09] Your skin produces cholesterol.
[14:11] Right?
[14:11] And then that when the UVA UVB hits the cholesterol, it's converted to vitamin D2.
[14:15] That's taken to the liver,
[14:17] then converted into vitamin D3.
[14:18] It's a whole process behind it.
[14:20] But readily available vitamin D3, animal products.
[14:24] Vitamin K2, animal products.
[14:24] Vitamin E, animal products.
[14:25] You get all from there.
[14:27] Right?
[14:27] And then you need food with fat to absorb all of these.
[14:31] That's why they're called fat-soluble vitamins.
[14:33] You don't get it from there.
[14:35] With water-soluble vitamins, vitamin B12, any of the vitamin Bs, you get most of it from vitamin B12 is plain simple animal products.
[14:43] You don't get it from any plants.
[14:44] Some other vitamin Bs, you can get from some plants, but you can also get from animal products.
[14:48] And from the plants they won't be bioavailable or biodigestible.
[14:52] Means all of it cannot be absorbed and digested and utilized by the body.
[14:56] I pill khara hu for example aaj if I'm deficient in XYZ vitamin.
[15:01] Vitamin D we always hear in India we are very deficient.
[15:03] I'm having vitamin B12 and if let's say I don't have fat then then the body is actually not even absorbing Vitamin vitamin B is a water-soluble vitamin, so.
[15:11] But otherwise most of these vitamins, omega, yeah, flana dinkana, I have to have fat.
[15:14] Why do you want to have supplements and pills?
[15:16] Agreed.
[15:16] Agreed.
[15:19] That's the thing.
[15:20] There's a whole industry behind it,
[15:21] right?
[15:22] They they want you to survive on only pills.
[15:24] You've got proteins.
[15:24] Where?
[15:26] You've got casein, you've got BCAAs,
[15:29] you've got melatonin, you've got vitamin B12, multi multi B complex, whatever all of that.
[15:35] Magnesiums, omegas, this, that.
[15:38] Live on that.
[15:40] What do you want to?
[15:41] You think a carnivore diet can solve all these or it takes care of all
[15:44] You've got all the essential nutrients in the right amounts in bioavailable and biodigestible forms.
[15:49] What does that mean?
[15:50] The amount you require is there.
[15:53] Bioavailable and biodigestible, they're easily accessible to our systems, they're easily digestible, and they're all utilized.
[16:00] And there's very little waste.
[16:02] Right?
[16:02] That is what you need.
[16:04] Essential amino acids, essential fats which is omega-3s, DHA and EPA, right?
[16:09] Retinol, vitamin D3,
[16:12] uh your taurine, choline, carnosine, carnitine, all of these.
[16:16] All of these are available I actually, you know, recently I was going to I saw
[16:20] a medical shop in Dubai.
[16:23] The amount of vitamins they had.
[16:24] Yeah, exactly.
[16:24] crazy.
[16:24] It's crazy.
[16:26] Iodine.
[16:26] Iodine you get from where?
[16:26] Salt?
[16:29] What about seafood?
[16:29] You get such a good amount of iodine from there.
[16:33] Heme iron.
[16:33] You need heme iron.
[16:33] Not non-heme iron.
[16:35] You bolte hai na palak khao, spinach.
[16:37] Spinach has non-heme iron.
[16:39] It's it's the the digest the the bioavailability is less less than 2%.
[16:44] You need to eat 5 kg of spinach a day.
[16:48] Right?
[16:48] That is non-heme iron.
[16:50] But we need heme iron for our hemoglobin.
[16:51] That's found in organs and red meat.
[16:54] And all this which you are talking about has been scientifically proven.
[16:57] It's all there.
[16:59] You read any book.
[17:00] Pick up any book which says and it will always say animal proteins are superior to plant proteins.
[17:05] They'll always say.
[17:05] Why?
[17:07] Because they're complete, because they're bioavailable, because they're biodigestible.
[17:09] It's very simple.
[17:09] It's written everywhere.
[17:12] And still in the end they'll come they'll they'll come they'll at the end they'll come and say that mix a lot of mix a lot of uh cereals and grains and you'll get your
[17:20] Proteins. No, you don't.
[17:22] Because again, they're blocked by these antinutrients.
[17:25] Second, three times the amount of carbohydrates.
[17:28] You don't need exogenous carbohydrates.
[17:29] Your liver makes glucose every day 24/7 for you.
[17:33] How much glucose does it make? One teaspoon.
[17:36] Your fasting blood sugar is 70 to 100 mg per deciliter, right?
[17:38] Why do we make you fast to check your blood sugars if you need carbohydrates from outside?
[17:43] Means we're risking you.
[17:48] We're making you fast to check your blood sugars because we know your body makes sugar.
[17:54] The 70 to 100 mg per deciliter is about 5 g in 5 L of blood which is one teaspoon.
[17:59] That's the amount your body makes for itself.
[18:01] There are only some cells in the body which do not have mitochondria, right?
[18:04] Like red red blood cells and some some cells in the brain which require glucose.
[18:09] For that our body makes.
[18:13] I think you're not near.
[18:14] So, it's not essential.
[18:16] Like I call carbohydrates antinutrients because it causes glycation, inflammation, produces reactive oxygen
[18:22] species, causes mitochondrial dysfunction, is food for cancer cells, reduces autophagy which is our repair and rebuild mechanisms.
[18:30] All of this is there.
[18:31] You know, cataracts, heart attacks, uh retina issues, kidney diseases, ulcers, all of these are caused because of diabetes.
[18:39] Diabetes is a disease of high sugars.
[18:42] And every carbohydrate will be broken down into glucose before it's absorbed.
[18:46] To be India is like the diabetes capital because we have so much of carb.
[18:48] Right?
[18:49] So, ICMR did a study the ICMR India B study last year.
[18:52] They they published that with 64% of the daily intake of calories is from carbohydrates and all of these Indians and which is leading to a lot of diabetes, right?
[19:03] While your 2024 guidelines dietary guidelines prescribes a 50 to 60% intake of carbohydrates.
[19:11] So, you've only mentioned that and now you're mentioning that because of that people are getting diseased.
[19:15] You're contradicting yourself.
[19:17] Yeah, I mean come on.
[19:18] It's there.
[19:19] It's right there.
[19:21] Right? And and this guideline has been there for centuries, right?
[19:21] It's it's
[19:23] come from the US dietary guidelines.
[19:25] which was there, the pyramid.
[19:26] The base is all cereals, grains, vegetables and you know, all of that and a little bit of meat on top, right?
[19:31] Yeah.
[19:31] And this is what India's been eating even in 1961.
[19:33] See the records.
[19:35] It was the same thing that people were eating.
[19:36] 2% was eating I mean 2% of daily intake was meat, about 17 g.
[19:40] You convert that into 365 days if they eat every day, comes to about 6 kilos only.
[19:48] And in India meat eating even today is about 3 to 5 kg per person per year.
[19:53] Per year?
[19:54] Per year per capita, yeah.
[19:56] That's average.
[19:56] Could be anything, right?
[19:59] And and we're saying that it's causing diseases.
[19:59] How?
[20:00] So, what would be, let's say, the global average?
[20:02] Global average is Different countries different
[20:05] Different countries different thing, but you know, if you look at some a country like Hong Kong, it's about 220 kg per person per year.
[20:11] And how's the health thing out there if Their life expectancy is about 87, 88 years.
[20:15] Ours is 67 to 68 years.
[20:18] Right?
[20:18] So, I mean, before that though, avoiding meat and egg is not helping you.
[20:24] Right? You're still getting diseased,
[20:25] right? Yes, there are other
[20:27] environmental factors over here,
[20:28] pollution, over here smoking, alcohol,
[20:29] right? So, study that I did in my in my
[20:31] department, 4% were smokers.
[20:34] It's going to be a little bit of bias
[20:35] because probably some of them would not
[20:36] want to let you know that I'm I'm a
[20:38] little unhealthy because I smoke, but
[20:41] yeah, 4% said that they were smokers.
[20:43] Less than 40% said that they drink
[20:45] alcohol. That was also mostly
[20:46] occasionally.
[20:48] So, those two confounders are out.
[20:50] Right? The rest everybody, 65% of the
[20:52] population said that they were
[20:53] vegetarians.
[20:54] The other 35 who said that they eat
[20:56] eggs, chicken, uh fish, pescetarians,
[20:59] omnivores, or over vegetarians eat all
[21:02] of these once a week most frequently
[21:04] along with all 100% of them, 100% of
[21:07] them. These omnivores eat it along with
[21:09] carbohydrates. So, how do we blame egg
[21:12] and meat?
[21:13] What about the carbs? We know what carbs
[21:14] does.
[21:15] We have something called insulin in our
[21:16] body which I call a defense mechanism,
[21:18] right? It's there to remove sugar from
[21:20] your bloodstream and convert it into fat
[21:21] as quickly as possible. That's why we're
[21:23] hearing this insulin resistance word a
[21:25] lot these days. It's a It's It's a
[21:27] concept where because your body secretes
[21:29] insulin
[21:30] to remove sugar, right? And converts it
[21:32] into fat. Then it keeps pushing that fat
[21:34] into fat cells. After a point, it
[21:35] There's a threshold
[21:37] that it reaches. So, your pancreas will
[21:39] put in put out more insulin, then more
[21:41] insulin for the same amount of sugar.
[21:42] And you keep doing every day because
[21:44] when you have carbs, you want to you
[21:45] you're told to eat regularly, right?
[21:47] Regular meals.
[21:49] It's because It's even if nobody tells
[21:51] you to eat six meals a day, you will
[21:52] want to eat six meals a day.
[21:54] Because the sugar spike, the insulin
[21:56] comes in and sugar drops immediately.
[21:58] You feel you're feeling hungry again and
[21:59] you've got to eat that
[22:01] to balance out the sugar because your
[22:02] insulin's gone up, it's going to bring
[22:04] your sugar down.
[22:05] Then you have to spike it up again. And
[22:07] that'll keep happening. So, after a
[22:08] point, if your pancreas was secreting
[22:10] one unit every day per a per meal, then
[22:13] there'll come a point it's going to
[22:14] secrete 10 units, then 20 units, 30
[22:16] units. After a point, it will not be
[22:18] able to convert that sugar into fat.
[22:21] That's when your blood sugars will
[22:22] remain high. That's when your A1C will
[22:24] go go high. That's when you're diagnosed
[22:26] with diabetes. It's already already 20
[22:28] years too late
[22:30] to diagnose you.
[22:31] It's been going on on since so much
[22:33] time. But let's say for you a carnivore
[22:35] diet, what would be your daily
[22:37] I mean, so what what's your daily food?
[22:39] Why I'm asking is uh talking about
[22:41] India, in the morning the mentality is I
[22:43] will have
[22:46] whatever
[22:50] I'll have rice and sabzi, roti, dal,
[22:53] sabzi. That's a typical mindset.
[22:57] samosa
[23:05] And in the night when you go, then they
[23:06] may eat a slightly protein rich because
[23:08] today the mentality is carbs matkau. So,
[23:10] that's why I will eat uh chicken if I'm
[23:12] a non-veg. If I'm a veg, I'll still eat
[23:14] a roti dal. And why I see my soya tofu
[23:17] Yeah, and my dadaji, nanaji all used to
[23:19] eat this. They lived lived a very
[23:20] healthy lifestyle. Now, what is it for
[23:23] you and why is it better?
[23:25] So, for me, I I wake up and I have about
[23:27] five or six eggs every day.
[23:29] Right? My lunch is a red meat.
[23:31] My dinner is a red meat.
[23:34] Red meat mainly? Mutton mainly?
[23:36] Mutton, pork, beef, yeah.
[23:39] That's what I eat and and seafood.
[23:41] And I mix and match. And I use either
[23:43] tallow or ghee or butter for cooking.
[23:46] Uh some virgin uh coconut oil because
[23:48] it's got saturated fats. That's it.
[23:51] It's not that difficult. Don't you feel
[23:52] hungry in between? No, it keeps you
[23:54] satiated. That's the thing.
[23:55] A lot of people will tell you, "Yar,
[23:57] chicken mutton both khaliya heavy ho
[23:58] gaya." That's a good thing. So, it's
[24:00] going to keep you full for a long time.
[24:01] You will not snack in between.
[24:04] That's the point. You need that
[24:05] satiation.
[24:09] Right? And it keeps you full because
[24:10] you've got the you've got the right
[24:12] amounts of nutrients inside, macro and
[24:14] micro, the ones that you actually
[24:15] require.
[24:17] It's not about longevity. I mean,
[24:19] uh
[24:20] uh everybody's hired people who've lived
[24:22] very long, right? And I'm not even
[24:24] talking about longevity. And everybody
[24:25] says that they were leading a very
[24:26] healthy life and they were all fit and
[24:28] fine. How do we know that? You think
[24:30] that they never people never had gastric
[24:32] issues? People didn't have any
[24:34] maybe a little bit of mental issues in
[24:36] the sense that, you know, anxiety,
[24:37] depression, that ways. Lot of symptoms
[24:40] we live through thinking that it's
[24:42] normal and we don't require medications
[24:44] for it. Right? So many people eat
[24:46] antacids.
[24:50] Exactly. Exactly. Even my even our
[24:51] grandparents did. I know so many
[24:52] grandparents who had who suffered from
[24:54] diabetes and had hypertension, had
[24:56] seizures, lot of lot of things, right?
[24:59] So, this is not about longevity, but the
[25:00] question is, do you want to be the
[25:02] oldest 30-year-old in the room or the
[25:04] youngest 70-year-old?
[25:06] That's the question.
[25:08] That's how fit you want to be.
[25:10] Right? You want to you want to watch
[25:12] your kids and your grandkids grow up and
[25:13] play around with them, run around with
[25:15] them. We're also seeing a lot of heart
[25:17] attacks, right? Now,
[25:19] I don't know if it's social media, if
[25:21] it's awareness, if it's the COVID
[25:24] vaccine, so-called COVID vaccine which
[25:25] people say ki COVID ke baad suddenly
[25:27] heart attacks bad rahe hai. Why is that
[25:29] you're seeing these days?
[25:31] I saw a equal trend of people just to
[25:33] sorry to interrupt is
[25:37] [laughter]
[25:39] I just told you the statistics, right?
[25:40] We hardly eat any meat.
[25:42] Right? So, that's a very big
[25:43] misconception first of all. Second,
[25:45] heart attacks were happening earlier
[25:47] also and today also. Earlier, obviously
[25:49] the diagnosis was not there. Uh
[25:51] and we were talking behind the scenes
[25:53] before this, right? 1960s we were eating
[25:55] the same thing, mostly cereal and
[25:57] produce loaded diets. And autopsies from
[26:00] the 1960s show that even in the '20s,
[26:02] '30s, and '40s people had blocks in
[26:04] their coronary arteries, right? Male and
[26:07] females.
[26:08] Uh and the first ECG which was done in
[26:10] India was in the late 1940s in KEM
[26:13] Hospital.
[26:14] That is when the diagnosis of a heart
[26:16] attack started happening. Started
[26:18] happening. Obviously it took time for
[26:19] the whole of the country to adopt it.
[26:21] That doesn't mean people are not dying
[26:22] of heart attacks. There were so many
[26:23] deaths which happened. Yes, there were
[26:25] famines. Yes, there were wars. Yes,
[26:27] there were civil wars, this, that,
[26:28] riots. People died because of that and
[26:31] we did not have um the infection control
[26:34] practices as we do now. So, I mean,
[26:37] there were infections and neonatal
[26:38] tetanus that people died of. So, life
[26:40] expectancy was low. Right? But it was
[26:42] also because of natural deaths
[26:44] which people don't know about because it
[26:46] was never diagnosed.
[26:47] Right? Now, you have the diagnosis and
[26:49] yes, the world has become smaller. The
[26:51] news spreads faster.
[26:53] Right? In that time if somebody died at
[26:55] 40, not everybody would know about it.
[26:57] Right? Today, it'll take a second for it
[26:59] to spread.
[27:01] And uh see,
[27:03] the average age of patients coming into
[27:04] my department with heart attack
[27:06] pre-COVID was about 55 to 60, 65. It's
[27:10] still the same.
[27:15] See, there might be some there there
[27:16] might be some side effects and all. I
[27:17] don't know.
[27:19] You know, I mean, the whole world is
[27:20] talking about it, right? I mean, there
[27:22] are some papers where they've proven it
[27:23] and all of that and there are a lot of
[27:24] lawsuits happening and all of that.
[27:26] That's happening. But uh this notion
[27:28] that youngsters are getting heart
[27:29] attacks because of this and post this is
[27:32] wrong.
[27:33] My one of my first papers and reports
[27:36] was about of a 17-year-old who had a
[27:37] heart attack, which was 10 years back.
[27:40] Right?
[27:41] So, there you have it.
[27:42] Do you think there is a trend that we
[27:44] are doing something really wrong?
[27:45] Especially I'm talking about under 40. I
[27:47] don't know if narrative ban gaya hai.
[27:49] Heart attacks ka 40 ke saath suddenly
[27:52] ki we are doing something dangerously
[27:53] wrong which is triggering this or we're
[27:55] always doing this under 40? I think we
[27:57] were always doing it. Yes, obviously the
[27:58] junk food boom that's happened is it's
[28:00] massive.
[28:01] It's massive. It's not okay to normalize
[28:03] junk food either for yourself or for
[28:05] your kids. It is not okay. I mean, a lot
[28:07] of people have told me
[28:11] I'm going to call you. Our parents did
[28:13] not know. Today there's more awareness.
[28:15] I mean, I've had Pepsi blue and this,
[28:17] that nonsense many in my time, right?
[28:20] We've had all of that
[28:21] nonsense. Now, I don't. And now I know
[28:25] how how bad it is for us,
[28:27] then why feed it to your kids? And so,
[28:29] it's not okay. Right? You've got
[28:31] childhood obesity happening now. You've
[28:33] got fatty livers happening in
[28:34] adolescents.
[28:36] That is not normal. You've got diabetes
[28:37] happening in young kids.
[28:39] Uh Kids, yeah. I mean, I had a
[28:41] 19-year-old come in recently who had
[28:43] type 2 diabetes. He was 120 kilos.
[28:45] Right? And when I tested him,
[28:46] everything, his B12 was gone. Vitamin D
[28:49] was two.
[28:51] So, you know, all all of this is
[28:52] happening. So, that is something that
[28:54] people need to move away from, processed
[28:55] foods and junk foods. Be it Coca-Cola,
[28:57] be it Pepsi, be it chocolates,
[29:00] uh you know, uh whatever these uh
[29:03] uh you have these uh
[29:05] protein drinks.
[29:07] You know, these new ones which come in
[29:08] flavored and this, that, all of that.
[29:11] So many things, man. So many things. But
[29:13] tell me something, how bad is it if you
[29:15] have it occasionally? And the reason why
[29:17] I'm asking is when you're saying I'm a
[29:18] carnivore, I have eggs, I have meat, I
[29:20] have meat. Now, beech mein agar maine
[29:22] kuch carb dal diya ya maine kuch You'll
[29:24] feel it.
[29:25] You will feel it? You'll feel it.
[29:27] 110%. Your body will give you a signal
[29:29] what did you do.
[29:31] That's what. When you go carnivore,
[29:33] you start listening to your body.
[29:35] Otherwise, like I said, you have a lot
[29:36] of symptoms which we think is normal for
[29:38] us.
[29:39] Right? When these symptoms go silent,
[29:42] you're like, "Ek minute, yar.
[29:44] Mere ko yeh problem hota tha.
[29:46] Now, No, have it anymore."
[29:48] Then one day you do this kind of a cheat
[29:50] and it comes back and you're like, "Oh,
[29:51] the body's telling me."
[29:53] I mean the body will tell you that.
[29:56] You never You never listen to your body.
[29:59] Now you listen to your body.
[30:01] And it gives you the feeling. And why
[30:02] would you want to cheat with something
[30:04] that's unhealthy for you?
[30:05] It's that And occasion you have look at
[30:08] the moderation occasion. Define
[30:10] moderation, man.
[30:12] Define occasion. For you an occasion
[30:13] might be once a week. For somebody else
[30:15] an occasion might be twice a week.
[30:16] For me it might be once a once a week or
[30:18] once in 6 months.
[30:19] It's like a person like me, you know,
[30:21] craves sugar.
[30:23] Or craves
[30:24] that cheat meal, right? Now what do I do
[30:27] if I'm a
[30:28] I'll still crave that meat kind of a you
[30:30] know a mindset I had dinner It was
[30:31] starting with that.
[30:32] That just happens in the starting.
[30:33] That's some That's That's a point where
[30:35] I tell people have a piece of coconut.
[30:37] You know how filling that is?
[30:39] A coconut you have a piece of that it's
[30:41] full of saturated fats. It'll satiate
[30:43] you craving when you go there. Also I
[30:44] was reading that you claim
[30:46] that generationally
[30:49] Indians were not pure I mean how it's
[30:52] become the trend has become that Indians
[30:54] are broadly a veg-based population which
[30:56] we know
[30:57] but generationally or when you go really
[30:59] back into generations India was not like
[31:02] that. And and we used to even you know
[31:05] talk about eating beef or or or or our
[31:08] Vedas or our whatever used to talk about
[31:11] all this. So what is this about just to
[31:12] understand? Yeah, I mean see agriculture
[31:14] came like 10 to 13,000 years back,
[31:16] right? Our evolution has been millions
[31:18] of years. So if you convert our
[31:20] evolution into 24 hours, agriculture has
[31:22] been around for just 1 hour
[31:24] out of those 24 hours.
[31:27] In that 1 hour we've had all the disease
[31:29] spectrums that we could get and it's
[31:31] only increasing.
[31:32] Right? So there has to be something.
[31:33] Before that we were hunters. We used to
[31:36] hunt and eat meat. Right? Uh
[31:39] diabetes in India has been documented
[31:41] since 300 400 AD.
[31:43] Charaka and Sushruta, right? They wrote
[31:45] that.
[31:46] All kinds of meats to be eaten and what
[31:48] is madhu meha which is sweet urine which
[31:50] is diabetes, right?
[31:51] It's been documented since then. Even in
[31:53] the 16th century the Ain-i-Akbari
[31:56] where
[31:58] Ibn Battuta and all they documented when
[32:00] they came to India what Indians were
[32:01] eating it was mostly cereal and
[32:02] grain-based.
[32:03] But our Vedas and all have written in
[32:06] their scriptures it's it's written and
[32:08] it's been translated and it's been
[32:10] translated by Swami Vivekananda and B.R.
[32:13] Ambedkar also that Indians used to eat
[32:16] beef Brahmins used to eat beef. It's
[32:18] documented. I'm not saying that, right?
[32:19] It's it's right there.
[32:21] And once the untouchables also started
[32:23] eating then it was made a sin to eat to
[32:25] eat beef or any meat per se, you know.
[32:28] Brahmins most of the Brahmins don't even
[32:29] eat any meat except for Kashmiri pundits
[32:32] they're also Brahmins, right? They eat
[32:33] to this Shivaratri they'll be eating it,
[32:35] right?
[32:37] But it was always there and the and and
[32:39] the and the texts actually actually tell
[32:42] you to serve
[32:45] beef and meat to your sacred guests.
[32:47] Right? Atithi devo bhava.
[32:49] Right? So treat them with the best foods
[32:51] which was meat.
[32:53] Right? So it's it's always been there.
[32:55] All the kings and all in the past
[32:57] if you look at mythology also used to go
[32:59] hunt and hunt for what? Food.
[33:03] Right?
[33:03] And the slaves or the lower caste were
[33:06] given most of more of those cereals and
[33:07] the grains, right? I mean the the top
[33:10] class would also have it. But the poor
[33:11] class was given only this. But once they
[33:13] started eating beef also the
[33:14] untouchables also the caste was a
[33:16] problem. I think that's where this
[33:19] the switch or the trend changed. I think
[33:21] so.
[33:23] I think so. I'm not a historian but
[33:24] whatever I've read I've made my
[33:26] inferences.
[33:28] So how did you get here? I mean
[33:30] you were not obviously
[33:32] a carnivore.
[33:33] I saw your pics old pics you were like
[33:37] slightly Yeah, yeah. Not slightly quite
[33:39] quite unhealthy looked unhealthy I would
[33:42] say. What was the switch part to you?
[33:44] Where did you learn about this first of
[33:45] all? How did you come to know about
[33:46] this? Because I would still say in India
[33:49] specifically I've seen less talk about
[33:51] this topic. In US I've started seeing a
[33:54] lot more talk about this topic of
[33:55] carnivore and why it's important and
[33:57] good. But in India I've not heard much
[33:59] about it.
[34:06] See I mean if you look at my pictures
[34:07] I've been working out for almost 19
[34:09] years now. But we've all heard that you
[34:12] can't out-exercise a bad diet, right?
[34:14] And it completely holds true.
[34:16] And that's what that's what I realized.
[34:18] Uh in 2021 I was just doing my test and
[34:21] I saw that my triglycerides had hit 600.
[34:23] I'm like, "What the hell?
[34:24] How is that possible? I knew that you're
[34:26] a doctor and you're a doctor. Yeah. And
[34:28] I knew it was because of carbs and
[34:30] I was always a carnivore
[34:31] but never followed the lifestyle because
[34:33] I had my carnivore instincts in place
[34:35] like I was telling you when I was 2
[34:36] years old 3 years old I used to cluck
[34:38] around like a chicken asking for chicken
[34:41] you know I would you know just make fish
[34:42] signs that I want to have fish. So that
[34:44] was always there and if I would go to
[34:47] family functions and all
[34:49] to my hometown uh mainly I like steak
[34:51] chicken curry dish or mutton curry dish
[34:53] ban jata hai baki family ke liye alag
[34:54] banta tha. So yeah Ankur ke liye hai ye
[34:56] baki family ke liye. So those instincts
[34:58] were always there, right?
[35:00] But yeah, I mean when when I saw that
[35:02] you know my triglycerides hit 600 I cut
[35:05] off my carbs. I started eating more. I
[35:06] was like this is something to my related
[35:09] to my diet.
[35:10] So I went full low carb as much as
[35:12] possible possible but I still had
[35:14] inflammation. Still had some symptoms
[35:16] and then
[35:17] uh one day I saw one of the reels on
[35:19] carnivore and it made a lot of sense.
[35:21] And it's not that I believed anybody and
[35:23] everybody blindly. I am a published
[35:25] author so I know how to read research.
[35:27] Uh
[35:28] I've published more than 45 papers.
[35:30] And uh so I I read through a lot of
[35:33] articles. I read through a lot of
[35:34] journals. I read through a lot of books.
[35:36] I went back to my first year textbooks
[35:38] understood biochemistry again and I'm
[35:39] like, "What What It's It was written. It
[35:42] was all written over there." But that
[35:44] that never translated into practice
[35:46] because that's not how medicine was
[35:47] taught to us.
[35:49] I'm like this is what a biochemistry is
[35:51] this is what a physiology is.
[35:53] How can they say give medication for
[35:55] this when it's written over there what
[35:56] is important for us and what is not
[35:58] important for us?
[35:59] Right? And through that all I understood
[36:02] what carnivore was all about and it's a
[36:03] species-specific diet.
[36:05] Humans were apex predators. We've always
[36:08] been.
[36:09] We were always made to hunt. We always
[36:10] hunted. Yeah, I mean right now we don't
[36:12] hunt hunt. But yeah.
[36:15] That's what we're supposed to eat. We
[36:16] were hypercarnivores even radioisotope
[36:18] studies have shown that.
[36:19] Right?
[36:21] So that's that's how I came to be a
[36:23] carnivore.
[36:24] So many changes, man. I lost 26 kilos.
[36:26] I've become leaner. I'm fitter. My
[36:28] weightlifting stamina is so much better.
[36:30] My acid reflux my GERD symptoms have all
[36:33] gone. I had esophagitis
[36:35] which is gone. I used to get infections
[36:37] really quickly. Every winter I would
[36:39] have the sniffles or cold cough which
[36:41] you look both there ki weather change or
[36:42] I be mar pad jao
[36:44] immunity to hona chahiye. It doesn't
[36:46] happen to me anymore
[36:48] because I get the right nutrients. I'm
[36:50] getting all my essential nutrients so
[36:51] it's not happening to me anymore.
[36:53] Right? Libido's high. My bladder control
[36:56] is so much better.
[36:57] I'm happier. I'm mentally more stable. I
[37:00] can multitask. As emergency physicians
[37:01] we're trained to multitask but now it's
[37:03] at a different level, you know, and in
[37:05] one day I can do 10 different things and
[37:07] give equal focus to all of it.
[37:09] this inside. I can feel this all inside,
[37:11] man. It People might say oh pick that.
[37:13] Subjective hai bolne ke liye bol raha
[37:14] hai.
[37:15] Well, everybody experiences things,
[37:16] right? And so many My my wife picked it
[37:19] up. She reversed her hypothyroidism and
[37:21] prediabetes, right? And I've had so many
[37:24] patients have reversed diabetes,
[37:26] hypertension, non-alcoholic fatty liver,
[37:28] rheumatoid, psoriasis. Even I had a
[37:31] patient who said that he stopped
[37:32] stammering and stuttering after 6 months
[37:34] on carnivore which could not happen
[37:36] after 20 years of therapy.
[37:38] Right? Barrett's esophagus, people
[37:40] losing weight, their thyroids are
[37:42] getting better, temperature tolerance,
[37:45] you know.
[37:46] Even hot and cold it's become so much
[37:47] better. So there's so many things and
[37:49] you you are getting so many signals
[37:52] that you're fit. I've never been fitter
[37:54] in my life. I mean you've seen my
[37:55] photos. I look fitter in my 40s than I
[37:57] look in my 30s or my or my 20s. When I
[38:00] was 38 years old
[38:01] my metabolic age of my body was 44.
[38:04] Right? Now I'm going to hit 43 my
[38:07] metabolic age of my body is 36.
[38:11] So you can say I've reversed aged.
[38:13] Right?
[38:14] So it's it's it's all there. Okay, this
[38:16] is for you, right? You have But what
[38:19] have you seen for your patients? I just
[38:21] told you. These are all practical real
[38:23] examples.
[38:24] Yeah. Yeah. And they'll all be
[38:25] published. It takes time to publish a
[38:27] paper, right? So I've just published how
[38:29] I reversed This is India's first ever
[38:31] publication on how I reversed uh a
[38:33] patient who had 20 years of diabetes on
[38:35] carnivore in 3 to 4 months.
[38:37] 20 years he was on medications on
[38:39] diabetic diet
[38:40] till his kidneys shut down.
[38:43] Right? And then he reversed his
[38:45] diabetes. He's no more unfortunately
[38:46] because he suffered from cancer because
[38:48] of his uncontrolled diabetes.
[38:50] Right? So
[38:51] uh but it was reversed and then I have
[38:52] so many more patients. So I'll be
[38:54] writing a book case series. Right? So
[38:56] that's going to happen. Right? So you
[38:57] need to look at all of these and then
[38:59] you need to look at mechanisms.
[39:01] A lot of people come and tell me oh nuts
[39:03] can I achieve healthy fats? I've asked
[39:04] dieticians which healthy fats are you
[39:05] talking about?
[39:09] You think it's not Why? When I ask
[39:11] people why?
[39:12] Healthy killer acha hai how?
[39:14] I don't know.
[39:17] You ask a dietician and
[39:19] Exactly.
[39:21] Badam has so many of anti-nutrients.
[39:22] It's got oxalates full of oxalates.
[39:24] You've had sag, right? Palak khate ho
[39:26] andar muh mein gritty feeling aati hai.
[39:28] You feel that?
[39:31] Those are glass crystals
[39:33] which are called oxalates.
[39:35] Look it up. They'll show you on the
[39:36] microscope. They're glass crystals. They
[39:39] chelate calcium from your body from your
[39:41] bones and they cause calcium oxalate
[39:43] crystals in the kidneys, in the ureter,
[39:44] in the bladder. Right? They go and block
[39:47] your thyroid.
[39:48] Right? They block the uptake of iodine
[39:50] from food, cause Hashimoto's or
[39:52] hypothyroidism. They've been found in
[39:54] breast cancer tissues. They've been
[39:56] found in the tissues of patients who've
[39:58] had Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.
[40:01] Gout, pseudogout, arthritis, they go and
[40:03] collect in different parts of the body,
[40:04] and then you start having these pains,
[40:06] aches, spondylitis, spine issues, bone
[40:09] issues, fibromyalgia. Right? All of
[40:12] these, your body can excrete about
[40:14] 25 to 50 g milligrams of
[40:17] oxalates in a day. Your kidneys can do
[40:19] that, right? A bowl of spinach has 750
[40:22] mg approximate on an average.
[40:25] That's what almost 50 times. Uh look up
[40:28] some There's so many examples. Liam
[40:29] Hemsworth, Chris Hemsworth's brother.
[40:32] He had gone vegan and took green
[40:34] smoothies and all of that. He had 10 cm
[40:36] stones.
[40:37] He could have died. He had to undergo
[40:39] surgery.
[40:40] And there are a lot of examples like
[40:41] that. A lot. So, you have something
[40:44] anti-nutrient say fats chaos may you
[40:46] have something called alpha-linoleic
[40:48] acid, which is a omega-3.
[40:50] Your body has no use for ALA.
[40:53] Your body has to convert ALA into DHA
[40:55] and EPA, which are the omega-3 pills
[40:57] that you get.
[40:58] DHA and EPA are the essential nutrients
[41:00] that the brain requires.
[41:02] B12 also your brain requires. Saturated
[41:04] fats also your brain requires.
[41:07] Right?
[41:08] So, this DHA and EPA conversion care
[41:09] from ALA 0.2 to 2%.
[41:12] That's it. That's it.
[41:17] But you'll get oxalates
[41:19] in good amounts. But not this.
[41:24] Right? But you're getting so many
[41:25] anti-nutrients out of it.
[41:27] So many people have oxalate toxicities.
[41:29] A lot of people have oxalate toxicities.
[41:31] And I'll tell you what oxalates can get
[41:32] me here. Spinach, aloo, sweet potato,
[41:35] beetroot, quinoa, chia, flax seed, soya,
[41:38] tofu, chocolate, chai,
[41:40] almonds, cashews, walnuts.
[41:43] Exactly.
[41:45] Exactly. And by the time we hit 40, 50,
[41:48] 60, we've got different kinds of
[41:49] diseases happening.
[41:58] Uh thyroid issues over here. So many
[41:59] people have hypothyroidism. A lot of
[42:01] people have hypothyroidism. Why?
[42:06] Because we eat so many oxalates. Who's
[42:08] looking into that? The way you put out
[42:09] there.
[42:11] Everything can answer is medications.
[42:12] That's That's not right. Because we took
[42:15] an oath to cure people, yeah? We're not
[42:16] doing that. But what does it tell us
[42:19] about
[42:20] with due respect the doctors fraternity
[42:22] or the dieticians fraternity
[42:25] who are supposedly well researched as
[42:27] well. So, it's not just you who are
[42:29] researching. I'm sure they're
[42:29] researching as well. They have never
[42:31] come up or we don't see at least in
[42:33] India them coming up and talking about
[42:35] this topic. No, there are people who are
[42:36] coming up. You know, there are a few
[42:38] organizations even in India who are
[42:39] going into low carbon and
[42:41] and high protein and all of that. People
[42:43] are doing that. See, I
[42:44] Uh my my simple thing is
[42:47] are we awake enough
[42:49] to understand what what's happening to
[42:51] the community, what's happening? Yes, I
[42:53] mean you have a lot of people who are
[42:54] talking about a lot of things that's
[42:55] happening. But are we looking at at at
[42:57] the right nutrition?
[42:59] No offense to any of the doctors, but
[43:01] 90% of doctors you go to, do they look
[43:02] healthy?
[43:04] Or 90% of the dieticians you go to, do
[43:06] they look healthy?
[43:07] And again, no offense to anyone, but
[43:09] I've been to a lot. I didn't I never
[43:11] looked healthy. Yeah, correct. You were
[43:13] a doctor and you didn't look healthy.
[43:14] Correct.
[43:15] I'm I'm I'm I'm owning up to that,
[43:16] right? At that time if I was giving
[43:18] health advice or nutrition advice, would
[43:20] somebody want to take it?
[43:22] Now, I would like to believe in today's
[43:24] date I look much fitter and healthier
[43:25] than what I used to. So, probably people
[43:27] will understand
[43:28] what I'm talking about. And I share
[43:31] whatever data resources I have with all
[43:32] my patients and clients. Read up
[43:33] yourself.
[43:35] If you want, go deep dive yourself what
[43:37] I'm talking about. If you think it
[43:38] doesn't make sense to you, don't follow
[43:40] it.
[43:40] But I'm giving them the adoption. Right?
[43:43] I'm telling them research the medication
[43:45] that you're put on.
[43:46] Right? You're You're put on
[43:48] pills for cholesterol. 99% of the people
[43:51] don't even know what cholesterol is all
[43:52] about.
[43:53] Right? So, all of that is there. And
[43:56] doctors and dieticians are doing what
[43:57] they've been taught in their own
[43:59] colleges and universities and and So, by
[44:01] that, they're doing what they're
[44:03] supposed to do. But we're also supposed
[44:05] to learn more or unlearn and relearn.
[44:07] That's something which I feel is an ego
[44:09] issue for a lot of people.
[44:11] Right? You will look at research
[44:13] sponsored by different different
[44:15] companies.
[44:16] But you won't look at things as to is it
[44:18] actually helping my patient?
[44:20] Because most of the times the patients
[44:21] don't follow up with us.
[44:23] And we don't have a follow up.
[44:25] I've been open here. Prescription
[44:26] liquid. And they've gone. They might
[44:29] come back to you. They might not come
[44:30] back to you, right? I mean there are so
[44:31] many doctors and the population to India
[44:32] get my solid here. So, what are you You
[44:35] lose a lot of patients in a follow up.
[44:36] I'm not saying the doctors don't want to
[44:37] treat people. You know, their intentions
[44:39] are right. But then to unlearn and to
[44:41] relearn and to think
[44:43] what's happening to our patients? I mean
[44:45] how many times have you heard? I don't
[44:47] know if you have anybody in your family
[44:49] who's had a heart attack or something,
[44:50] right?
[44:51] How many times have the cardiologists
[44:52] discussed with them
[44:54] why you had a heart attack?
[44:57] Lipid profiles are not even done for
[44:58] heart attack patients. We're doing it as
[44:59] a research. Even the myocardial
[45:02] infarction guidelines don't have that
[45:04] way if you're coming in with a heart
[45:04] attack, do your lipid profile.
[45:08] Exactly. A lot of my patients have
[45:10] apparently normal or low cholesterol.
[45:17] And alcohol we need it here. Still heart
[45:19] attack over here. You can have a push up
[45:20] queue. Why queue?
[45:22] Nobody's asking. But my research is
[45:24] showing something completely different.
[45:27] Right?
[45:28] We can go into it if you want later.
[45:30] [laughter]
[45:30] I have few myths which I want you to the
[45:32] things which I've written. You know, we
[45:34] talk a lot about fiber, right? That
[45:35] fiber is most important. Uh fiber will
[45:39] help you to go poop. Right?
[45:42] And we are seeing constipation on the
[45:44] rise as well that a lot of people are
[45:45] getting very highly constipated. So,
[45:48] just your Who are we to teach our
[45:50] intestines
[45:52] how to do its job?
[45:54] Do you think we are born with
[45:55] non-functional intestine
[45:57] or non-functional peristalsis?
[46:00] When babies are born, they poop 10, 20
[46:03] times a day. I mean you've got kids,
[46:04] right? You've changed the diapers.
[46:07] No.
[46:09] They're just drinking mother's milk,
[46:11] which is mostly fat. Fat is the best
[46:13] laxative. Right?
[46:16] Fiber by definition is not even a
[46:17] nutrient.
[46:19] No physiology textbook, no biochemistry
[46:21] textbooks, nowhere, no diet no dietary
[46:24] textbook will define fiber as a
[46:26] nutrient. It's not. Why eat something
[46:28] which is not a nutrient? Second, what is
[46:30] it by definition? Indigestible
[46:32] carbohydrate. Indigestible. You cannot
[46:34] digest it. It will not let anything else
[46:36] digest.
[46:38] What does it do? It produces bulk. Who
[46:41] said producing bulk is good for you?
[46:44] You're not digesting anything means
[46:45] you're not You're not breaking it down.
[46:47] You're not absorbing it. A lot of people
[46:49] think when they eat animal proteins and
[46:50] there's that they won't get
[46:51] constipation. That's not constipation.
[46:53] No, that's not constipation.
[46:56] That's proper digestion.
[46:58] That the body has broken down everything
[47:00] and absorbed everything. Waste it not
[47:01] come here. Your intestine is relaxing
[47:03] and resting.
[47:05] It doesn't want to poop it out because
[47:07] there's not enough yet.
[47:09] When you eat this fiber, you'll go to
[47:10] the bathroom twice, thrice a day, man,
[47:12] or you'll keep farting.
[47:14] You'll keep burping.
[47:15] That's what happens, right?
[47:17] And you were just producing bulk
[47:19] with a bottleneck.
[47:21] You think India doesn't have people who
[47:22] have constipation? I just told you how
[47:24] much meat we eat. Nothing. Nothing.
[47:27] Right? So, what is What are people
[47:28] having? Cereals, grains, fruits,
[47:30] vegetables. You see all the older
[47:31] generations. Then get your bunch fruit
[47:33] quality chop chop chop chop.
[47:35] I mean winters with the something I have
[47:37] over the market.
[47:38] Right?
[47:39] So, people are not suffering from from
[47:41] constipation?
[47:43] Ask any gastroenterologist. They're not
[47:45] seeing people with constipation?
[47:48] That is what you You have so much of
[47:49] bulk. You don't need bulk.
[47:52] You need everything to be digested and
[47:53] absorbed. That is the function of our
[47:56] intestine.
[47:57] Who are we to tell it? And where did the
[47:58] fiber concept come from?
[48:00] John Harvey Kellogg.
[48:02] Kellogg's wala? Yes.
[48:04] The cereal? Yes.
[48:05] [laughter]
[48:06] Of course.
[48:07] He had to sell his cornflakes. And for
[48:09] him, it was uh
[48:12] uh fiber was basically also meant to
[48:15] reduce your urges, your sexual desires,
[48:19] and uh and and that.
[48:21] Because that's what he thought.
[48:24] Right? And he he was from the
[48:25] Seventh-day Adventist uh movement.
[48:27] Right? So, uh that that's what he
[48:30] thought and he propagated. Right? And he
[48:33] had to sell his cornflakes. So, the
[48:35] fiber came in, the marketing came in.
[48:36] It's high in fiber is good for you. High
[48:38] in fiber is good for you. And then you
[48:39] had you had all the companies uh you
[48:42] know, sponsoring research for it.
[48:45] And that's how it came away. Right? You
[48:47] look at any of the high fiber products
[48:48] in today's date. Go to any supermarket.
[48:51] Read behind it. It's got
[48:52] methylcellulose.
[48:54] What is methylcellulose?
[48:56] It's wood shaving. That's what they put.
[48:59] So, zero requirement of fiber.
[49:01] Zero. It's not a nutrient. A lot of
[49:03] people have this. For me as a carnivore,
[49:04] I don't need fiber because everything is
[49:06] digested, boss. And when I have a good
[49:07] amount of fat along with it,
[49:09] easy laxative.
[49:11] No problem.
[49:12] Nothing. And how much do I pass? Very
[49:15] little. Sorry, too much information. But
[49:18] very little. That solves I'm happy.
[49:21] My body tells me when to go. I'm going
[49:24] to go over here.
[49:25] We tell our body when we want to go.
[49:26] 7:00 in the morning, 7:00 in the
[49:28] evening.
[49:29] Do we tell our heart how to beat and
[49:30] when to beat?
[49:31] Do we tell our lungs when to breathe? Do
[49:33] we tell our brain when to think?
[49:35] How can we
[49:36] direct our intestines when we want to
[49:38] poop?
[49:40] It should be the other way around.
[49:42] Think about it. Ask that question. And a
[49:44] lot of eye-opening today.
[49:45] Yeah, ask that question, man.
[49:47] If if if fiber was important for
[49:49] digestion,
[49:51] nobody in India would
[49:57] Yeah.
[50:01] You can digest me or I yes, digest me or
[50:03] I
[50:04] because I'm going to carry you some
[50:05] fiber burger.
[50:06] And then you've got those anti-nutrients
[50:08] which don't let your body get into it
[50:11] and absorb things.
[50:13] Red meat causes cancer. And you said I
[50:15] have red meat at lunch and then I have
[50:18] red meat in dinner also. I mean you just
[50:20] mentioned. So
[50:22] Yeah, so I mean again, in in that ways
[50:24] uh India will never have any any
[50:27] colon cancer or rectal cancer cases,
[50:29] right?
[50:30] Because people don't eat meat a year.
[50:34] 3 to 5 6 kg a year.
[50:37] Right? There are zero studies
[50:39] which show any causal relation.
[50:42] There are a couple of studies which have
[50:43] shown processed
[50:44] meats like bacon and all processed with
[50:46] all these with sugars and smoke care of
[50:48] that. To have associations where they've
[50:51] said relative risk.
[50:53] Right? And that's not the same as
[50:56] absolute risk. If the risk of somebody
[50:58] getting colon cancer in in their
[51:01] lifetime is 4 to 5%.
[51:03] As per the relative risk if you convert
[51:05] that into absolute risk, it becomes 5%
[51:07] to 5.9%.
[51:10] What is that risk?
[51:12] It's nothing. And it is again an
[51:14] association.
[51:15] Not causal. Uh just last year this paper
[51:18] has been published
[51:19] where they showed animal proteins, they
[51:22] did a meta-analysis of all the
[51:23] randomized studies that they could find.
[51:25] And they finally concluded animal
[51:28] proteins are not associated with
[51:30] cardiovascular mortality or cancer
[51:32] mortality and might have
[51:36] protection to cancer.
[51:38] I'll share with you offline if you want.
[51:41] Right? So there's this big myth again.
[51:42] So I had I had a few talks with some of
[51:44] the gastroenterologists again for this.
[51:45] I said uh up here colon cancer near the
[51:48] baby.
[51:49] They have there. I said but do they eat
[51:51] red meat?
[51:52] First, people don't even ask. Do you eat
[51:54] red meat?
[51:55] Treatment started with that. Treatment
[51:56] started with that.
[51:57] What I do?
[51:59] What everything is genetic over there?
[52:00] Uh there are a lot of things that are
[52:01] blamed to genetic also. 1.4 to I think I
[52:04] think I might be wrong again. 1.4 to 1.5
[52:06] new cancer cases, 1.4 to 1.5 million new
[52:09] cancer cases added in India annually.
[52:12] New. I don't every year lower genetic
[52:14] change over there.
[52:15] I don't like to believe that.
[52:16] say new is from the earlier base, it's
[52:18] increasing. Yeah. And oh New cases that
[52:21] they're getting diagnosed. It is
[52:23] diagnosis has become better.
[52:24] Better. But then why are people
[52:25] suffering?
[52:27] Why are people getting it?
[52:29] Don't ask the question. Yes, everybody's
[52:30] genetics are changing over. I mean
[52:32] there's something called Warburg effect.
[52:34] Like Otto Warburg in the 1940s or 50s I
[52:36] think German scientist.
[52:38] And he won the Nobel Prize for it.
[52:41] Right? That cancer is a metabolic
[52:43] disease.
[52:44] Look it up. Thomas Seyfried, Professor
[52:46] Thomas Seyfried from Boston University
[52:47] has done so much of work on it.
[52:49] Right? I mean during PET scans we give
[52:51] radioactive glucose.
[52:53] And then we see on the scans where all
[52:55] the FDG avid lesions are.
[52:57] Which is radioactive glucose being taken
[52:59] up. And that's how you diagnose with
[53:00] cancer.
[53:02] And then as I told you in the start that
[53:03] carbohydrates when they broke down to
[53:04] glucose, it's also food for cancer.
[53:07] And cancer cells I'm not saying every
[53:10] cancer is metabolic. There might be some
[53:11] genetic yes, there might be some. I mean
[53:13] you have children very young children
[53:14] who who end up with leukemia and all,
[53:16] you know, unfortunately. But
[53:19] there are so many others that can be
[53:20] prevented through the correct diet.
[53:23] What's your view on oil?
[53:25] I mean the oil we use for food. I mean
[53:28] oil is all bad and just use ghee. So a
[53:31] lot of all of these refined oils that
[53:33] you get sunflower, fortune, they're not
[53:34] heart healthy.
[53:35] Why do they say that they're heart
[53:36] healthy? Because they did some studies
[53:38] where these polyunsaturated fatty acids
[53:41] omega-6s bring down your cholesterol
[53:43] level by negative feedback mechanism,
[53:44] right?
[53:45] Which are the omega-6s?
[53:47] Omega-6 may they you have linoleic acid
[53:49] which is actually pro-inflammatory.
[53:52] Causes a lot of disease. Yes, omega-6s
[53:54] are important. Even meat has omega-6.
[53:56] But your omega-3 to omega-6 ratio is
[53:57] higher
[53:58] and not the other way around as you have
[54:00] in the refined oils. They're the refined
[54:01] oils. They undergo bleaching,
[54:03] deodorizing deodorization, gumming,
[54:05] degumming, lot of different processes.
[54:07] Just see the videos. See the processes.
[54:09] Completely unhealthy. Right? Then they
[54:11] have a high amount of omega-6. And then
[54:13] studies have shown that if your
[54:15] cholesterol is going down,
[54:17] chances of cardiovascular disorders and
[54:19] mortality increases. Yeah,
[54:21] I mean they have the Minnesota oil
[54:23] randomized study.
[54:24] Cholesterol should be what? Every 30 mg
[54:25] per deciliter reduction in cholesterol
[54:27] increased your chances of cardiovascular
[54:28] mortality by about 20% if I'm not wrong.
[54:32] And there are other studies like that.
[54:33] Cholesterol should not be lowered.
[54:35] No, so just say cholesterol here and it
[54:37] goes outside the parameter of of let's
[54:39] say Who set that parameter, you know?
[54:42] Who set it? The companies. Mhm.
[54:44] Because they could bring it down.
[54:46] Uh we were discussing, right? That in
[54:48] the 1970s the sugar industry actually
[54:50] paid Harvard scientists to publish the
[54:52] fact or not the fact, the false fact
[54:55] that heart disease is caused by
[54:56] saturated fatty acids and not sugar. And
[54:59] this is published in JAMA. They exposed
[55:01] it.
[55:02] AHA, American Heart Association in 2019
[55:06] published dietary cholesterol is not a
[55:07] nutrient of concern. What is cholesterol
[55:08] if I can ask you?
[55:11] I I can't define it. Exactly. It's a
[55:14] steroid plus alcohol molecule.
[55:16] It's produced by your body every day.
[55:19] Your liver makes it, your skin makes it,
[55:20] your brain makes it. Your brain cannot
[55:22] live without cholesterol. 25% of the
[55:24] body's cholesterol is here.
[55:27] Right?
[55:28] Your liver makes it. It's always in the
[55:29] blood. There's nothing in your blood
[55:31] which tries to remove cholesterol from
[55:32] your body. Every cell membrane that you
[55:34] have, the fluidity is maintained by
[55:36] cholesterol.
[55:37] Your insulin receptors have lipid rafts
[55:39] made of cholesterol. So your cholesterol
[55:41] goes down, insulin receptors become
[55:43] dysfunctional, diabetes.
[55:45] Right?
[55:46] Your sex hormones, testosterone,
[55:47] progesterone, estrogen
[55:49] have cholesterol precursors. Bile acids
[55:52] the ones which which esterify which
[55:54] emulsify and acidify or your fats that
[55:56] you eat
[55:57] are made of uh your precursors are
[56:00] cholesterol. Your brain is utilizes a
[56:02] lot of cholesterol and covers it with
[56:04] cholesterol. Your nerves, the myelin
[56:06] sheath without which your nerves will
[56:08] not function
[56:09] is made of cholesterol.
[56:10] Your body's original defense mechanism
[56:14] is cholesterol.
[56:15] So what do we believe then if we eat we
[56:17] Vitamin D. The synthesis I just told
[56:20] you, right? You have the sunlight hits
[56:21] your skin, there's uh I think there's
[56:23] dihydrocholesterol over there.
[56:25] Then that's converted into vitamin D2,
[56:27] goes to your liver and then vitamin D3
[56:28] is made. All of that is there.
[56:30] Cholesterol.
[56:31] Fat-soluble vitamins require
[56:32] cholesterol.
[56:34] Right?
[56:34] Your injury to the arteries is healed by
[56:37] cholesterol. That's why LDL takes it
[56:40] there to heal it.
[56:42] Not to cause damage. There's a damage
[56:43] which has already occurred. This goes
[56:45] there to heal it. It's like saying
[56:46] firefighters cause fire
[56:49] because you see it every you see them in
[56:50] all the fires, right?
[56:52] There's this analogy that someone that
[56:53] somebody had given some really famous
[56:54] person or maybe an infamous person who
[56:57] said oxygen is required for fire. Mhm.
[56:59] Which is true. But did the oxygen cause
[57:01] the fire?
[57:03] Same way
[57:04] cholesterol LDL
[57:06] go to the site of injury and they get
[57:09] entrapped because they explode and they
[57:12] sacrifice themselves as do platelets, as
[57:15] do red blood cells, as do monocytes,
[57:16] macrophages, epithelial progenitor
[57:18] cells, lipoprotein little A. All of
[57:20] these go there and scavenge and make a
[57:23] scaffolding, a new one.
[57:25] And sacrifice. Why? Because there's a
[57:26] clot which has happened over there. So
[57:27] cholesterol is important. Of course.
[57:29] With so many things that you've just
[57:31] mentioned. So Joe It's a life molecule.
[57:35] minus 350 What? I'm not advocating to
[57:37] anybody to go down without a doctor's
[57:39] consult. But yeah, most of the doctors
[57:40] if on 350 will put you on statins.
[57:43] Yeah, but the problem with that is that
[57:45] once you go in statins, then you know
[57:47] what we hear I I'm not a doctor, I don't
[57:49] know is taking medicines which I've
[57:51] heard BP right? Statins. That once
[57:55] you're in medicine, you're forever on
[57:56] medicine.
[57:57] Yeah, that's why. Because nobody will
[57:58] want to remove it because guideline says
[57:59] so. Now see, the thing is guidelines
[58:01] have become written in stone for people.
[58:04] Guidelines are there to guide you.
[58:06] Not dictate to you.
[58:07] Right? So a lot of doctors are also
[58:09] afraid of lawsuits, right?
[58:11] A doctor near like that he said and then
[58:12] the doctor could pass that patient over
[58:14] there. He said the doctor is going to
[58:15] kill you. Case could have been done.
[58:16] That's not right.
[58:18] You should know number needed to treat
[58:20] for primary prevention.
[58:21] One in 100 people who take statins may
[58:23] primary prevention of heart disease over
[58:25] there.
[58:26] Plus. Yes, one in 50 may diabetes over
[58:29] one in 25 may muscle damage over there.
[58:31] So a lot of people who are on statins
[58:32] have these muscle aches, joint pain
[58:34] started over there.
[58:35] Does your doctor discuss this with you?
[58:37] Give me the call. I think you should
[58:38] take it. Guideline says this, but
[58:41] so many say it may heart attack prevent
[58:42] over but 50 may say it may diabetes over
[58:44] 25 may muscle damage over there.
[58:46] I could have over there over there. You
[58:48] can have that choice, right?
[58:50] It's your body.
[58:51] You should take control of your body,
[58:53] right?
[58:54] And then what's going to happen?
[58:55] Alzheimer's because the brain the
[58:57] cholesterol come over there. Now I'll
[58:58] tell you very interesting. The liver
[59:00] makes cholesterol, it can't go to the
[59:01] brain because of a blood brain barrier.
[59:03] So the brain makes its own. Brain makes
[59:05] its own cholesterol.
[59:06] It's own cholesterol, right? Statin
[59:07] drugs cross the blood brain barrier and
[59:09] stop the production of the brain
[59:11] cholesterol also. So statins have been
[59:13] associated with early onset Alzheimer's
[59:15] dementia. And one question I had did
[59:17] have this later on but I want to ask
[59:19] since you talked about this. Somehow are
[59:21] we seeing a huge trend of people getting
[59:24] Alzheimer's and and these things because
[59:26] now what I'm seeing is a lot of people
[59:28] when they start crossing 60s, 65,
[59:30] suddenly I started having memory loss
[59:31] and I'm hearing a lot because my
[59:32] friends' fathers and you know, all these
[59:35] All across the board they're having
[59:37] Alzheimer's or across the board they're
[59:39] having
[59:40] of dementia, right?
[59:41] Dementia, yeah. You should read this
[59:42] book called
[59:43] uh
[59:44] It's called why
[59:47] why vegans have a smaller brain or
[59:48] something like that. I I'd interviewed
[59:50] their authors and uh there are studies
[59:52] which have shown people who are
[59:54] deficient in nutrients, essential
[59:55] nutrients like DHA, EPA, and B12
[59:59] have shrinkage of the brain.
[01:00:02] And once they're given
[01:00:04] uh these supplements or their B12 levels
[01:00:06] are increased or their DHA EPA is
[01:00:08] increased their [snorts] brain expands.
[01:00:11] Right? So, when you have shrinkage of
[01:00:12] the brain, you will have or you can get
[01:00:15] dementia. Early onset ones, right? Uh
[01:00:17] there are a lot of stroke patients who
[01:00:18] come into my department
[01:00:20] who are B12 deficient. Young and old.
[01:00:23] When see the when we see the MRI
[01:00:24] reports, they say atrophic
[01:00:27] uh brain atrophy noted.
[01:00:30] But nobody looks into the stroke to ho
[01:00:31] gaya. Ab stroke ka treatment chal raha
[01:00:32] hai. But nobody is asking the question
[01:00:34] here is ka 40 45 saal ki umar mein
[01:00:37] why does he have brain atrophy? Means
[01:00:39] what? Atrophy means shrinkage.
[01:00:42] So, at 40 45 brain has shrunk.
[01:00:44] When I do the B12 levels, it's abysmal.
[01:00:47] 100 150 500 ke upar hona chahiye
[01:00:48] minimum.
[01:00:50] For good function. Right? And B12 is
[01:00:52] really important for your brain, for
[01:00:54] your heart, for your nerves, for your
[01:00:55] movement, everything, right? It it keeps
[01:00:58] your parasympathetic system in check.
[01:00:59] Your sympathetic system And you said veg
[01:01:01] se milta nahi. Nahi milta. Veg se nahi
[01:01:03] milta hai. So, you have to have
[01:01:05] meat.
[01:01:06] Meat.
[01:01:07] And when they say, you know, meat causes
[01:01:10] you know, I had uric acid thoda
[01:01:11] Meat causes good health, man.
[01:01:13] [laughter]
[01:01:14] Hey, you know, meat causes high uric
[01:01:15] acid because, you know, when you have
[01:01:16] high uric acid, they say meat kam kar do
[01:01:18] thode time ke liye ek mahine ke liye do
[01:01:19] mahine ke liye aapka uric acid theek ho
[01:01:21] jayega.
[01:01:23] See, that came that that came in from uh
[01:01:26] previous generations, I think, for the
[01:01:28] kings and all who used to have a lot of
[01:01:30] alcohol and a lot of carbohydrates and
[01:01:31] meat together. And they used to get
[01:01:33] these gouty arthritis. And now I've
[01:01:36] already told you how much meat we eat.
[01:01:37] How much meat do you eat, man? Tell me
[01:01:38] that. Every day?
[01:01:40] Let's say once a day. Once a day? And
[01:01:43] I'm a high meat eater. So, You you
[01:01:45] believe yourself to be a high So, I've
[01:01:47] let's say if you have
[01:01:49] give or take
[01:01:49] That's more than the population that I
[01:01:50] see. Yeah, so let's say if you have 25
[01:01:52] 30 meals a week. Yeah. 21 pakad lo. 21
[01:01:55] pakad le the three times meat, so I'm
[01:01:57] having seven. Let's say
[01:01:59] I'm one of the high Yeah. And how much
[01:02:01] is that? So, that's what? About
[01:02:03] 35%
[01:02:05] of your meals
[01:02:05] And I'm a higher one. Okay. And kitna
[01:02:07] khate ho? How many grams approximate?
[01:02:09] Like supposing if you're going to have
[01:02:11] chicken tonight, how many pieces will
[01:02:12] you have?
[01:02:13] Panch Panch pieces Do do do do do do do
[01:02:15] do do do do do do do do do do do do do
[01:02:16] do do do do do do do do do do do And
[01:02:18] you'll have it with some rumali roti
[01:02:19] roll, some chutneys, or if it's not or
[01:02:22] if it's not tikka, if it's just, you
[01:02:24] know, grill or or curry, you'll have
[01:02:26] chawal dal along with that, right?
[01:02:28] Whatever. Yeah, sub carbs. Exactly. Yes,
[01:02:31] animal proteins have purines which
[01:02:32] convert into uric acid.
[01:02:34] Fructose is converted to uric acid by
[01:02:37] the liver
[01:02:38] faster than proteins can produce uric
[01:02:40] acid.
[01:02:41] And when you have fructose which is come
[01:02:43] which comes in a lot of fruits, a lot of
[01:02:45] carbohydrates, and glucose, it gives an
[01:02:47] insulin spike.
[01:02:48] Insulin signals the kidney
[01:02:50] to retain uric acid.
[01:02:53] Animal protein signals the kidney to
[01:02:56] excrete uric acid.
[01:02:58] So, the carbs that you're eating and
[01:02:59] alcohol is also converted to uric acid,
[01:03:01] by the way.
[01:03:02] Nobody tells you to stop alcohol.
[01:03:03] [laughter]
[01:03:04] Nobody tells you to stop fructose. Most
[01:03:05] of the doctors don't know this because
[01:03:06] they've not been taught.
[01:03:08] The thing is
[01:03:09] they should think my patient though
[01:03:11] doesn't even eat meat as regularly as
[01:03:14] me.
[01:03:16] You go to a doctor and ask him. I know a
[01:03:17] doctor who eats
[01:03:18] meat every day for the past 3 years.
[01:03:22] Is he going to get gout? They'll be like
[01:03:23] 110%.
[01:03:25] So, my uric acid level is 2.6.
[01:03:28] What's the
[01:03:28] The higher level is about 7 7.5.
[01:03:31] 2.6.
[01:03:33] Explain that to me.
[01:03:35] Are you an exception?
[01:03:36] I have so many other patients.
[01:03:38] I've had somebody who had a uric acid of
[01:03:40] 10. It's at 5.5 right now. He's a
[01:03:43] carnivore. It's been 1 year since he's
[01:03:45] been my patient. And you convince your
[01:03:47] wife also to be She was a veg, what I I
[01:03:49] read about and or she was
[01:03:50] She was she was a veg when when we were
[01:03:52] dating uh before we started dating and
[01:03:53] all of that, yeah. And why why my
[01:03:55] question is there'll be a lot of people
[01:03:56] who are veg. I have a lot of patients
[01:03:57] who are vegetarians and now full-blown
[01:03:59] carnivore. Yeah, so how that happens?
[01:04:01] vegetarian for religious reasons, but
[01:04:03] their health took a priority. And now
[01:04:06] they're full-blown carnivore and they're
[01:04:07] thriving. So, my wife was a vegetarian,
[01:04:09] she came from a vegetarian family and
[01:04:11] she was eating meats and all with me
[01:04:13] when we were dating and all, but we were
[01:04:14] not full-blown carnivores, used to have
[01:04:15] everything. Hey, but how do you convince
[01:04:17] a general population?
[01:04:18] She saw she got a trigger cuz I got a
[01:04:21] test done and she saw oh, thyroid
[01:04:22] issues, oh, prediabetes, I don't want
[01:04:24] that and, you know, I want to live with
[01:04:25] my son and everything, right?
[01:04:27] And she took her time. She I went
[01:04:30] carnivore in April of 2023,
[01:04:33] so almost 6 years the almost 3 years
[01:04:34] now. And she went full-blown carnivore
[01:04:37] in January 2024. Till then she was still
[01:04:39] eating meats with me, obviously cuz mere
[01:04:41] liye to wahi ban raha tha. And she was
[01:04:43] having her rice and some badam also and
[01:04:45] lots of tea and this that or sometimes
[01:04:47] roti and all that. From this she went
[01:04:50] full-blown. Thyroid reversed.
[01:04:52] Diabetes prediabetes prediabetes is
[01:04:54] diabetes only. You say prediabetes is
[01:04:55] diabetes. Like I told you,
[01:04:58] it happens, starts. 20 years mera 5.8
[01:05:02] hai, that means I'm prediabetic. You're
[01:05:03] diabetic. It's not even
[01:05:05] If I check your insulin levels, it'll be
[01:05:06] high, man.
[01:05:07] It is high. Okay, how much? Insulin.
[01:05:09] Nobody would have tested your insulin
[01:05:11] right now.
[01:05:12] Sugar ki baat nahi kar raha hu. Nahi
[01:05:14] nahi, I jan bujh ke got my insulin
[01:05:15] tested. How much?
[01:05:17] Thoda sa hai to mujhe yaad nahi ab kitna
[01:05:18] tha. Fasting insulin should be less than
[01:05:20] five. So, tell me something. So, this
[01:05:23] concept of prediabetes is useless. I
[01:05:25] mean, it's just uh again uh Yeah. So,
[01:05:28] you're saying They'll tell you lower
[01:05:29] carbs. Lifestyle change kar lo. How many
[01:05:31] doctors give you lifestyle proper
[01:05:32] lifestyle advice and follow ki aap kar
[01:05:34] rahe ho theek se? Koi nahi. Main to ye
[01:05:35] bol raha hu you're saying agar mera 5.1
[01:05:37] hai to you're diabetic. 5. 8 hai agar
[01:05:39] mera H1C, you're diabetic.
[01:05:41] Yeah. So, kitna hona chahiye?
[01:05:43] Less than 5.6
[01:05:45] or 5.7 max.
[01:05:47] Yeah.
[01:05:48] But again, I'll have to see your
[01:05:50] insulin.
[01:05:52] Right? Because sometimes if you're if
[01:05:53] you're carnivore and you're living a
[01:05:55] healthy completely healthy life, what I
[01:05:57] define as healthy life, your red blood
[01:05:59] cells live longer. HBA1C kya hota hai?
[01:06:01] It is glycation.
[01:06:03] Glycation is caramelization, so you
[01:06:05] understand?
[01:06:06] I told you in the starting.
[01:06:08] Caramels of sugar ko aap caramelize
[01:06:09] karte ho. So, sugars caramelize all the
[01:06:12] proteins in your body
[01:06:14] including your red blood cells. Now, red
[01:06:16] blood cells require glucose.
[01:06:18] Your body is making enough glucose for
[01:06:20] your red blood cells.
[01:06:21] To utna usko caramelize bhi karta hai.
[01:06:23] Up to a limit of 5.5 5.6 tak hi.
[01:06:27] When your red blood cells live a little
[01:06:28] longer,
[01:06:29] then your HBA1C might go up because
[01:06:32] they're living a little longer. Usually
[01:06:34] kitna hota hai? 120 days.
[01:06:36] On a carnivore diet, it can go up to 140
[01:06:38] days. RBCs ka life spleen mein ja ke
[01:06:39] they're destroyed hote hai. 140 days.
[01:06:42] So, you might see your A1C go up. Why?
[01:06:44] Because they're they're living longer to
[01:06:46] thoda zyada glycation hua because you
[01:06:47] zyada amount tak jee rahe hai.
[01:06:50] But if your insulin levels are high like
[01:06:52] 20 25 30 and you have an A1C of 5.8,
[01:06:55] you're full-blown diabetes.
[01:06:56] If you wait for your blood sugars to go
[01:06:58] up,
[01:06:59] then it's too late.
[01:07:01] Now, I won't say too late, but yeah, it
[01:07:02] can be a lot of people who can end up
[01:07:04] with a lot of catastrophic complications
[01:07:06] that they come in.
[01:07:07] But you do mention that this is
[01:07:08] reversible if you can really change your
[01:07:10] lifestyle.
[01:07:10] Curable.
[01:07:11] Curable. Yeah, because aaj kal ye bhi
[01:07:13] trend bana hai na ek bar blood pressure
[01:07:14] ho gaya to life bhar ke liye blood
[01:07:15] pressure ho gaya. Ek bar diabetic ho
[01:07:17] gaya aap to matlab life bhar ke liye
[01:07:18] diabetic ho gaya. No doctor will tell
[01:07:19] you kyu hua.
[01:07:21] They say they'll do all your tests and
[01:07:22] all, fair enough.
[01:07:24] And we've all been taught that there's
[01:07:26] essential hypertension and secondary
[01:07:27] hypertension. Secondary is because of
[01:07:28] other causes. Right? Which they'll
[01:07:30] detect for you ki kidney mein koi issue
[01:07:31] hai, idhar koi issue hai, this that.
[01:07:32] Backflow badh raha hai.
[01:07:34] What is essential hyper? 80 to 90% have
[01:07:35] essential hypertension which has no
[01:07:37] cause. Hota kyu hai? You have
[01:07:39] carbohydrates.
[01:07:40] Converts into glucose. So, glucose
[01:07:42] spike.
[01:07:44] That leads to an insulin spike from the
[01:07:45] pancreas. It shoots up insulin.
[01:07:48] Insulin activates something that we call
[01:07:50] the renin angio aldosterone angiotensin
[01:07:52] system.
[01:07:54] RAS system. That tells the kidneys to
[01:07:56] retain water.
[01:07:58] Wherever water goes, sodium goes. So,
[01:08:00] sodium gets retained. To sodium
[01:08:01] retention se
[01:08:03] BP spike hota hai.
[01:08:04] So, you keep doing this continuously,
[01:08:07] so your BP becomes high.
[01:08:09] That is essential hypertension. Stop
[01:08:12] having the carbs, you become insulin
[01:08:13] sensitive. It will tell the kidney let
[01:08:15] the water go. Sodium goes.
[01:08:19] Blood pressure blood pressure theek hota
[01:08:21] hai. So, again, that is something, yes.
[01:08:23] Life jee rahe ho, to stress hoga ya.
[01:08:26] What This is my opinion.
[01:08:28] What I believe is how you deal with the
[01:08:30] stress matters.
[01:08:32] And
[01:08:33] what are the raw materials you need for
[01:08:34] stress handling?
[01:08:36] Nutrients.
[01:08:37] You need good nutrients. Everybody says
[01:08:40] brain mein chemicals hai.
[01:08:42] Uska locha ho gaya. Mental health
[01:08:44] issues. So, you can't even deal with
[01:08:46] stress, anxiety issues, this that even.
[01:08:48] What are they made of? All those
[01:08:49] neurotransmitters are made of what?
[01:08:51] Essential amino acids.
[01:08:52] Proteins.
[01:08:53] All of them require proteins. So, if
[01:08:55] you're not getting essential amino acids
[01:08:58] from animal proteins,
[01:09:01] you will have some locha in the brain
[01:09:02] also. You can have. So, see, our body is
[01:09:04] very intelligent. It's not that
[01:09:05] everybody is going to have every
[01:09:07] spectrum of these diseases that we've
[01:09:08] spoken about, so many of them. Your body
[01:09:10] decides ek chahiye, do chahiye, teen
[01:09:12] chahiye, saare chahiye.
[01:09:14] I've had patients who come in with who
[01:09:15] have diabetes, hypertension,
[01:09:17] heart disease bhi ho gaya, cancer bhi ho
[01:09:19] gaya, ye bhi ho gaya. Can't help it.
[01:09:21] Because you continued the way that the
[01:09:23] doctors told you uh the way we khao.
[01:09:26] And avoid red meat eggs and have this
[01:09:28] nutrient deficient
[01:09:30] uh overabundance of anti-nutrient diet.
[01:09:33] But I want to talk about a very
[01:09:35] important topic, kids. Now, sensitive
[01:09:38] topic for parents that how do we
[01:09:40] [snorts]
[01:09:40] What I read is that your child is also a
[01:09:43] carnivore, right?
[01:09:44] Mostly. For kids, now kids child or
[01:09:47] young kids to slightly teenage kids
[01:09:49] whole. Uh how do parents see that it's
[01:09:53] they will always see it as a very risky
[01:09:54] thing? Why?
[01:09:57] You are to Hershey's milk below
[01:09:59] them cornflakes below them KFC liquor
[01:10:01] that to McDonald's liquor that to or
[01:10:03] risky near.
[01:10:05] Real food is risky over it.
[01:10:08] And I've had conversations. Like I said,
[01:10:10] it's not okay to normalize junk food.
[01:10:12] Where are the nutrients coming from? So,
[01:10:13] if the parents know where the nutrients
[01:10:14] are coming from,
[01:10:16] they'll understand it's not risky.
[01:10:18] You need those nutrients.
[01:10:20] A baby drinks mother's milk now, which
[01:10:22] is full fat.
[01:10:26] Carbohydrates take that.
[01:10:28] Dal pani chawal kheer.
[01:10:30] Or those are the human that I spoke to
[01:10:32] the sugar kitchen. Why is the kids for
[01:10:34] eating the sugars? Why do they want
[01:10:36] chocolates? Why do they want this that?
[01:10:38] Why? Because from the say from 6 months
[01:10:40] of age we are feeding them
[01:10:41] carbohydrates, which is all sugar.
[01:10:43] Right? One apple is seven spoons of
[01:10:44] sugar. A mango is 12 spoons of sugar.
[01:10:47] Seven spoons of sugar? Yeah.
[01:10:50] Okay, so your body treats that sugar as
[01:10:52] a shape sugar?
[01:10:53] As a As a normal thing. Yeah. But your
[01:10:56] body doesn't know now. What do you get
[01:10:57] what do you get them apple carrot carrot
[01:10:59] or it is going to break it down to
[01:11:01] glucose
[01:11:03] and do what it has to do.
[01:11:05] It's very very simple. So, this is for
[01:11:07] the parents also.
[01:11:08] You have to feed them the right things,
[01:11:10] man.
[01:11:11] There's so many schools which have gone
[01:11:13] vegetarian.
[01:11:15] It's insane. Yeah.
[01:11:16] It's insane. I mean, when when we went
[01:11:18] to school, we were allowed to carry
[01:11:19] meats
[01:11:21] to school. Now, they've they're all
[01:11:22] serving with the school lunch. Schools
[01:11:24] are make making lunches in refined oils,
[01:11:27] man.
[01:11:28] And they say
[01:11:29] it's it's it's healthy. It's not. I'm
[01:11:31] sorry. This thing has to change.
[01:11:33] Using refined oils to cook children's
[01:11:35] food.
[01:11:37] That's not right. That's absolutely
[01:11:38] wrong. So, I give my son home cooked
[01:11:40] food.
[01:11:41] Or take it that has to go a little
[01:11:42] vegetarian. He gets a little bit of it,
[01:11:44] but he eats three to four eggs for
[01:11:46] breakfast. Carries milk to school. Has
[01:11:49] milk over there.
[01:11:51] His one meal in school is some roti
[01:11:53] which my wife makes for him.
[01:11:55] That's it. Comes back, eats his meat
[01:11:56] dinner, meat. He's fine. And even if we
[01:11:59] have birthday parties, especially his
[01:12:01] birthday parties,
[01:12:02] uh we don't give we don't serve any junk
[01:12:04] food
[01:12:05] for any of the kids. It's all meat. They
[01:12:07] all eat.
[01:12:09] I've joke allowed you.
[01:12:11] We will kind of get
[01:12:13] A lot of people have this misconception
[01:12:14] that diabetes is not genetic.
[01:12:16] It's hereditary.
[01:12:18] It's a lifestyle which is hereditary
[01:12:19] now. Yeah, boss. So, we will take it
[01:12:21] now.
[01:12:22] Children mimic their parents. They'll do
[01:12:24] that. I've meat cow gay we kind of gay.
[01:12:27] I've been to believe you kind of you
[01:12:28] believe you kind of gay.
[01:12:30] I've been to junk food over you could be
[01:12:31] kind of gay. We will be kind of gay.
[01:12:34] That lifestyle is that what is
[01:12:35] hereditary.
[01:12:37] Yes, there might be some people who
[01:12:38] might be genetically predisposed.
[01:12:40] Can we get it to eat jeans may open it
[01:12:42] to hold something? You might be a little
[01:12:43] more predisposed to get diabetes.
[01:12:46] Like Karan Sareen says that that genetic
[01:12:48] predisposition is the gun, but the
[01:12:50] trigger is your lifestyle.
[01:12:52] He's author of this book called that
[01:12:53] came out called Sick Nation.
[01:12:55] So, but that's the trigger.
[01:12:57] We need to eat any other thing near. Uh
[01:12:59] it's just a Oh, okay. You can prevent it
[01:13:01] from happening.
[01:13:02] it if you would live a good lifestyle.
[01:13:03] Yeah.
[01:13:05] There's so many athletes. Look at Andrew
[01:13:06] Goodnick's paper that just came out. 100
[01:13:09] years of
[01:13:10] papers they picked up and they and and
[01:13:12] they realized how so many elite athletes
[01:13:15] get prediabetes and diabetes even if
[01:13:17] they're physically fit. Like any They
[01:13:19] get prediabetes and diabetes. Why?
[01:13:20] Because they have so much of
[01:13:21] carbohydrate loading.
[01:13:22] They have these gels and drinks and
[01:13:24] Gatorade and this that all that. Right?
[01:13:26] And they end up with that. Shawn has
[01:13:27] worked with so many athletes who had
[01:13:29] visceral fat and they had six packs from
[01:13:30] outside. Under side organs cannot fight
[01:13:32] it. Visceral fat.
[01:13:34] So, you could be thin
[01:13:36] Yes.
[01:13:36] and still have visceral fat.
[01:13:37] Yeah, that's called TOFI, thin outside
[01:13:39] fat inside.
[01:13:41] And I did that and on my own
[01:13:43] residence, we did scans for myself as a
[01:13:46] carnivore and omnivore a pure vegetarian
[01:13:48] and junk food diet who and that guy the
[01:13:50] junk food guy was very very lean thin.
[01:13:53] Under the fat was shining.
[01:13:55] For me, very little fat. This is when I
[01:13:58] was just 1 and 1/2 years into carnivore.
[01:14:00] And the vegetarian, full of fat.
[01:14:04] The omnivore, full of fat.
[01:14:06] And these are not reported now. That's
[01:14:07] the thing because we've not been taught
[01:14:09] even ideologies haven't been taught to
[01:14:11] report on visceral fat.
[01:14:13] It's important. So many scans
[01:14:14] ultrasounds with the only get the fatty
[01:14:16] liver grade one.
[01:14:18] You go to I had to normally accept what
[01:14:19] I had.
[01:14:20] I had to accept what I had and what I
[01:14:22] had is not normal cheese here.
[01:14:24] That's how we normalize disease, man.
[01:14:27] That fatty liver grade one will go into
[01:14:29] grade two grade three grade four here.
[01:14:31] And now I've heard that non-alcoholic
[01:14:34] fatty liver Metabolic dysfunction
[01:14:37] associated steatohepatitis.
[01:14:40] Is becoming a very big thing and it's
[01:14:42] becoming very common thing
[01:14:42] transplants are on NAFLD or MASLD.
[01:14:49] Let's say I I today want to
[01:14:53] start. How does How does someone start?
[01:14:56] It depends how motivated you are.
[01:14:58] And the first thing I tell people is
[01:15:00] clean up your kitchen.
[01:15:01] Remove junk foods. Remove processed
[01:15:03] foods from your kitchen. Throw them out.
[01:15:06] There's no waste near you up.
[01:15:08] You your health care cost will be much
[01:15:10] higher than what you invested in that.
[01:15:12] Right? If you fall sick, you know that.
[01:15:14] Boss. Right? So, first clean up your
[01:15:15] kitchen. Get all your eggs. Get the
[01:15:18] meat. Do we choose to clean that? Eggs
[01:15:20] and meat.
[01:15:23] My fridge is so clean now.
[01:15:25] I need to eat all the cheese I can get
[01:15:27] and I can eat them
[01:15:28] all the vegetables. Fruits and all that
[01:15:30] any vegetables Yeah, those protein
[01:15:31] drinks is a pretty pretty expiry date
[01:15:33] over there. This that whatever all of
[01:15:34] that.
[01:15:35] Now, it's clean. Eggs, meat.
[01:15:37] That's it.
[01:15:39] So, usually I tell people to start off
[01:15:40] with eggs and then the meat. And see if
[01:15:42] it's easier for you because you are a
[01:15:44] meat eater. For vegetarians, I tell them
[01:15:46] to start off with sorry to start off
[01:15:47] with broths. So, they start making
[01:15:49] chicken soups clear
[01:15:51] to get a taste of the flavor. They need
[01:15:53] to understand that first because they
[01:15:54] never had it.
[01:15:56] So, they need to understand that flavor.
[01:15:57] Once they get used to it, then I tell
[01:15:59] them to start adding the chicken pieces.
[01:16:00] Then mutton broths. Then eggs. And
[01:16:03] that's how they do, right? So,
[01:16:06] but but then they become absolute
[01:16:08] absolutely thriving.
[01:16:12] But one question I have is it a fad? And
[01:16:15] why I'm asking is
[01:16:17] there was keto which came became a fad.
[01:16:19] Then there was intermittent fasting
[01:16:21] which came. I don't know if there's fad
[01:16:22] or not, but it's not a fad.
[01:16:23] It's not a fad. It's supposed to be
[01:16:24] healthy.
[01:16:24] Even keto is not a fad.
[01:16:26] Then we had things like, you know,
[01:16:29] vegan. I don't know again it's a fad or
[01:16:30] not. What I mean is these things come.
[01:16:33] They come with a boom. Right? Sometimes
[01:16:35] they don't they they last. So, is
[01:16:37] carnivore also one of those? Because you
[01:16:39] know, if I have a conversation with a
[01:16:41] vegan, he will definitely or she will
[01:16:43] definitely convince me that why vegan is
[01:16:44] good. Yeah, yeah.
[01:16:46] Their research will show everything
[01:16:48] vegan supporting. So, what's your view
[01:16:50] on this thing?
[01:16:50] But they cannot show that
[01:16:53] that they have all the essential
[01:16:54] nutrients.
[01:16:55] It's not possible. It's not possible.
[01:16:57] You get any meat. They need supplements.
[01:16:59] They supplement Then yeah, exactly. They
[01:17:01] have to They have to supplement it.
[01:17:03] Their argument is something completely
[01:17:04] different, right?
[01:17:07] That's different. But this is not a fad.
[01:17:09] Keto was never a fad, right? You had
[01:17:10] Atkins also.
[01:17:11] Vince Gironda, the original bodybuilder
[01:17:14] who was a natural bodybuilder
[01:17:16] in those times 19
[01:17:18] 5 10 15 I think he was born in 1915 I
[01:17:20] think. Yeah.
[01:17:21] Uh he was one of the first ones to
[01:17:24] actually tell you to eat steak and eggs
[01:17:26] only twice a day.
[01:17:28] Right? Original bodybuilder. In the
[01:17:30] 1800s Sir William
[01:17:31] William Osler.
[01:17:33] Right?
[01:17:34] He wrote the principles of internal
[01:17:35] medicine on the first textbooks of
[01:17:37] internal medicine where he's written the
[01:17:39] treatment of diabetes as a high fat high
[01:17:40] protein diet with minimal carbohydrates
[01:17:42] to no carbohydrates.
[01:17:44] Right? So, it's been there since then.
[01:17:47] Charaka Samhita
[01:17:48] advise you to eat
[01:17:50] 150 different types of meats
[01:17:52] to battle disease.
[01:17:54] Right?
[01:17:55] So, it's all been there.
[01:17:58] We will pick up pick up
[01:17:59] pick up that
[01:18:01] too far a little bit. Yeah, but it's
[01:18:03] always been there. And keto is is always
[01:18:05] going to be there. Carnivore is the
[01:18:07] cleanest keto.
[01:18:09] Uh children with epilepsy 120 years
[01:18:11] back, they did studies where keto diet
[01:18:13] was shown to reverse epilepsy in kids.
[01:18:17] That was the first line treatment before
[01:18:19] drugs came. Now, it's the last line of
[01:18:21] treatment.
[01:18:22] Because drugs are good for you or doses
[01:18:25] are there there there there there.
[01:18:26] And then you have the side effects of
[01:18:27] that. Correct. We will take it there
[01:18:28] there there. We will take it there
[01:18:29] there.
[01:18:30] Keto diet is near. When it's there, it's
[01:18:32] documented. You should do that.
[01:18:35] And carnivore is the is the cleanest
[01:18:37] keto because a lot of people keto bad on
[01:18:40] keto again.
[01:18:41] Almond flour, oat milks, this that all
[01:18:44] of that nonsense.
[01:18:45] Milk is allowed in carnivore? Depends on
[01:18:48] person to person. I don't do pasteurized
[01:18:49] milk.
[01:18:50] I want to try really hygienic raw milk,
[01:18:52] but how again? You have different
[01:18:55] factions where you know, milk is for the
[01:18:56] growing child even in their own species.
[01:19:00] Right? Not for adults. Uh I don't mind
[01:19:02] because the thing is again, so milk has
[01:19:04] a little bit of lactose in it. Right?
[01:19:05] If you drink it, you will have some
[01:19:06] more.
[01:19:08] It kicks in that carbohydrate addiction.
[01:19:11] Right? Yeah. You just can't get out
[01:19:13] sugar. I don't like pasteurized milk.
[01:19:14] Why? Because they have hormones. You get
[01:19:15] milk 24/7 365. Second, pasteurizing
[01:19:18] pasteurization kills all the natural
[01:19:20] proteins of the milk and they become
[01:19:22] unnatural. So, your body actually has
[01:19:23] reactions to it. Again, we don't listen
[01:19:26] to it. So, if I have anything which is
[01:19:28] pasteurized milk even butter
[01:19:31] I get breakouts.
[01:19:32] immediate
[01:19:34] immediate and it goes on for 2 to 3
[01:19:36] weeks.
[01:19:37] It takes that time for the body to clear
[01:19:39] it. So, our body has defense mechanisms.
[01:19:41] We don't give it time. That's how
[01:19:42] disease happens because we keep
[01:19:43] overwhelming our defense mechanisms.
[01:19:49] You keep attacking, keep attacking, keep
[01:19:51] attacking, keep attacking till the
[01:19:52] defense breaks down, right? That's how
[01:19:54] disease happens. Your body is
[01:19:55] intelligent enough. It's built with all
[01:19:57] the defense mechanisms.
[01:19:59] Defending, defending till it breaks
[01:20:00] down.
[01:20:02] Yep.
[01:20:04] What's your view on crowd which is very
[01:20:06] concerned about sustainability? Who say
[01:20:08] that meat obviously from a
[01:20:10] sustainability angle
[01:20:12] Sustainability in what sense?
[01:20:14] You know, the emissions are so high.
[01:20:16] Uh
[01:20:17] so, what's your view on that?
[01:20:20] What emissions?
[01:20:27] They're talking about methane emission
[01:20:28] from cows.
[01:20:29] It's but it's one of the largest, right?
[01:20:31] In in terms of It's upcycling, right?
[01:20:34] It's upcycling. Cows eat
[01:20:36] plants which utilize carbon dioxide. And
[01:20:38] they produce methane which goes into the
[01:20:39] atmosphere, is broken down into carbon
[01:20:41] dioxide and water. That carbon dioxide
[01:20:43] is utilized by the grass which is again
[01:20:45] fed by the cow.
[01:20:46] Uh eaten by the cow.
[01:20:48] It's called upcycling.
[01:20:50] Right? Also, uh
[01:20:52] when you look at regenerative
[01:20:54] agriculture,
[01:20:55] right?
[01:20:56] It becomes a carbon negative
[01:20:59] phenomenon.
[01:21:00] A carbon negative one.
[01:21:02] So, that's absolute rubbish. And then
[01:21:03] people talk about how ecosystems are
[01:21:05] being destroyed because of all the food
[01:21:07] which is fed to the cows and all that.
[01:21:09] 46% of the cattle feed is FAO, right?
[01:21:11] 46% of the cattle feed is grass and
[01:21:13] forage. Which is non-human edible.
[01:21:17] 19% are crop residues which are left
[01:21:19] over after human harvest.
[01:21:21] 27% are byproducts of processed food
[01:21:24] industry and fiber.
[01:21:26] Right?
[01:21:27] All this corn, soy and all of that is
[01:21:29] produced. You think they're not used for
[01:21:31] human consumption?
[01:21:37] All the vegan vegetarians come from
[01:21:39] agriculture, right? Right?
[01:21:41] They're eating that, right?
[01:21:43] Waste products are given to the cows.
[01:21:45] Only and only 14% of a cattle's feed is
[01:21:50] pure grains. 14%.
[01:21:52] The rest
[01:21:53] are either consumed by humans and waste
[01:21:55] products or
[01:21:56] uh are grasslands.
[01:21:58] So, this misconception is there.
[01:22:00] Punjab below.
[01:22:02] Punjab is doing monocropping.
[01:22:07] That's not destroying ecosystems or
[01:22:08] what?
[01:22:10] There was an article recently. They've
[01:22:11] not seen a butterfly in their fields for
[01:22:13] 20 years now.
[01:22:14] They've destroyed it. Your crop your
[01:22:16] your topsoil is completely eroded.
[01:22:19] Deserts are getting created.
[01:22:21] Why?
[01:22:22] You think all these deforestations are
[01:22:24] happening for cows or for humans?
[01:22:29] The main person who talks about
[01:22:31] environment
[01:22:32] roams around in jets every day.
[01:22:35] Come on. Invested into vegan Beyond Meat
[01:22:38] and Beyond Burger, right?
[01:22:40] Which collapsed?
[01:22:53] Exactly.
[01:22:54] Exactly. All of that is there. And if
[01:22:56] you See, I'm not I'm not for factory
[01:22:58] farming of animals, no.
[01:23:00] I am all for pasture-raised ethical
[01:23:03] And now you go to the villages, man.
[01:23:05] You'll get So, mutton
[01:23:07] mutton So, mutton mutton you are all
[01:23:10] getting pasture-raised. All. All. It's
[01:23:12] all from nomads.
[01:23:17] Chicken everywhere in the world
[01:23:19] is the largest selling probably animal
[01:23:22] food, right? Because fast food companies
[01:23:24] use it.
[01:23:25] And they fatten them up. Because of
[01:23:28] factory farming which is not right.
[01:23:30] But yeah, that's one meat which I don't
[01:23:32] eat. I eat only red meat and eggs and
[01:23:34] seafood.
[01:23:35] Right? So, I'm I'm not for factory
[01:23:37] farming.
[01:23:38] Pasture-raised regenerative agriculture
[01:23:40] is difficult to find but then even
[01:23:41] vegans go for organic foods, right?
[01:23:44] But organic fertilizer you use,
[01:23:46] what's in it? Animal blood.
[01:23:49] Every plant that is grown requires
[01:23:52] death of animals.
[01:23:54] So, no diet is bloodless.
[01:23:57] By the way,
[01:23:58] millions and billions of bees, birds,
[01:24:01] rats, snakes, rabbits are killed for
[01:24:04] agriculture, no? What is the What is the
[01:24:06] work of pesticides?
[01:24:08] rodenticides
[01:24:10] What is their job? To kill animals.
[01:24:12] Right? In India we use something called
[01:24:14] aluminum phosphide.
[01:24:17] Which are put in all the rice silos
[01:24:19] stored in there.
[01:24:21] What is that for? To kill any animal
[01:24:22] which comes. You know what it does? I've
[01:24:24] humans eat it and come to us.
[01:24:26] They come in walking. We declare them
[01:24:28] dead in 2 hours.
[01:24:30] Because aluminum phosphide reacts in our
[01:24:32] GI tract and and releases phosgene gas.
[01:24:35] Just destroys you inside out. 2 hours, 3
[01:24:37] hours they're dead.
[01:24:39] We're doing that to the animals there
[01:24:40] also.
[01:24:42] What's your view on these new age drugs
[01:24:44] like Mounjaro, Ozempic,
[01:24:47] all these things which are coming up. Uh
[01:24:49] people are using it to improve their
[01:24:53] parameters and so on. Uh it to
[01:24:56] primarily I would say were meant for
[01:25:00] reversing diabetes. Right? But you say
[01:25:02] if you just go in this type of diet you
[01:25:05] can do that.
[01:25:07] See, uh have you have you have you had
[01:25:09] conversations with people who tell you
[01:25:10] Yeah, we'll take medicine but we won't
[01:25:12] quit eating sugar.
[01:25:13] We'll have the medication but we don't
[01:25:14] want to quit sugars.
[01:25:16] And I think
[01:25:17] these are the kind of injections that
[01:25:18] feed into that mentality.
[01:25:20] Right? Don't quit having your sugars.
[01:25:23] We'll give you an injection to fix you,
[01:25:24] right? So, they are called GLP-1
[01:25:26] agonists, right? Glucagon-like peptides.
[01:25:28] Um agonists which
[01:25:30] which which promote uh
[01:25:33] satiety.
[01:25:34] But they're not promoting good eating
[01:25:36] habits, right? And they have so many
[01:25:38] side effects. I've had I've interviewed
[01:25:40] so many people on my podcast
[01:25:44] because of that.
[01:25:45] What people don't know is animal
[01:25:47] proteins and fats
[01:25:49] are natural GLP-1 agonists.
[01:25:52] If we can as a habit just start eating
[01:25:54] more They increase your GLP-1 receptors
[01:25:57] naturally. So, why do you want to spend
[01:25:58] so much and then 1/10 the cost of
[01:26:00] Ozempic or Mounjaro?
[01:26:02] And they've got so many side effects.
[01:26:03] Again, it's feeding into the laziness
[01:26:06] and the sedentary lifestyle that we've
[01:26:08] all We got great used to.
[01:26:10] gotten used to. We don't want to work on
[01:26:11] ourselves. We don't want to take uh
[01:26:13] health our own health in our own hands.
[01:26:16] That's the problem. We want to rely on
[01:26:18] medications
[01:26:19] and not do things naturally. We want
[01:26:21] shortcuts for everything.
[01:26:23] And we don't understand the perils and
[01:26:25] dangers behind that. That's important.
[01:26:29] I have few rapid fire questions
[01:26:33] One food Indians think is healthy but it
[01:26:35] isn't. One I want to know really which
[01:26:37] is very common. Almonds.
[01:26:40] I can add spinach to that.
[01:26:43] Yeah. Full of oxalates. There's nothing
[01:26:46] else. Non-heme
[01:26:49] Yeah, it's not.
[01:26:51] So, which is a bigger evil as per you?
[01:26:53] Sugar or seed oils? Combination of both.
[01:26:56] Combination of both. Really bad.
[01:26:59] They're both bad individually also but
[01:27:01] as a combination
[01:27:03] explosion.
[01:27:05] One blood test uh
[01:27:07] you know, you think in the whole
[01:27:09] parameters which we see, which people
[01:27:12] tend to ignore but it's one of the most
[01:27:13] important ones.
[01:27:15] I would say two. Insulin and B12.
[01:27:21] B12 I'm saying like I told you very
[01:27:23] abysmal numbers even omnivores.
[01:27:25] 100, 110, 105, 50, 60
[01:27:30] For your body to function properly it
[01:27:31] should be above 500. Again, so when you
[01:27:33] do your serum B12 level it it is a
[01:27:35] combination of active and inactive B12.
[01:27:38] You have something called active B12
[01:27:39] which is what is required by the body
[01:27:40] and your cells take it up
[01:27:42] for the function which is called
[01:27:43] holotranscobalamin. Nobody gets that
[01:27:45] tested.
[01:27:46] That should be more than I think 160 or
[01:27:48] 200. So, mine is like 250 or something
[01:27:50] like that.
[01:27:51] My total B12 is 1,010 without
[01:27:53] supplements.
[01:27:55] Right? And one parameter or two or three
[01:27:57] which you think are overrated.
[01:27:59] I thought you know, you have but you
[01:28:01] know, not so important. HbA1c, LDL and
[01:28:04] cholesterol.
[01:28:06] Yeah, it's overrated, no? Because you a
[01:28:08] lot of a lot of times you'll have an
[01:28:10] HbA1c of 5.4 and you'll be diagnosed not
[01:28:13] diagnosed with diabetes.
[01:28:20] Because your insulin is now functioning
[01:28:22] at higher doses, right? To keep it in
[01:28:24] check.
[01:28:26] Right?
[01:28:27] So, if it's function if it if your
[01:28:28] pancreas has to release 20 units, 30
[01:28:30] units in a fasting state,
[01:28:32] it's going to be even more, right? So,
[01:28:35] it's functioning to keep it in check.
[01:28:38] Your defense mechanism is overworking.
[01:28:42] And when it gives in, then your A1C will
[01:28:44] rise. And which are the other two sorry
[01:28:45] you mentioned? I got so focused on Total
[01:28:47] cholesterol and LDL.
[01:28:49] They don't need to be low.
[01:28:51] I mean, I've had so many patients who've
[01:28:52] come in who So, I had this really
[01:28:54] interesting case. 30-year-old 30 years
[01:28:56] back he was 30 years old. He had a heart
[01:28:58] attack.
[01:28:59] He was put on statins and had a bypass.
[01:29:02] His cholesterol levels at that time was
[01:29:03] absolutely normal. He was still put on
[01:29:04] statins, fair enough because that's the
[01:29:06] protocol.
[01:29:07] Uh 5 years later he had a heart attack
[01:29:10] again.
[01:29:16] And now he came back to us with his
[01:29:18] third heart attack
[01:29:20] and now he had three vessels
[01:29:22] which had lesions including the one just
[01:29:24] made bypass big graph
[01:29:28] and two other stands were put
[01:29:30] and his cholesterol and LDL levels were
[01:29:32] absolutely normal pure vegetarian
[01:29:35] not eating any eggs or meat.
[01:29:37] So why did it happen?
[01:29:39] Another interesting thing about
[01:29:40] cholesterol contest with the cancer.
[01:29:42] When we say that
[01:29:45] When we say that we have arteries and
[01:29:46] veins.
[01:29:47] Do your veins [snorts] get these plugs?
[01:29:50] Ever?
[01:29:51] They don't.
[01:29:53] They only get these plugs when you put
[01:29:54] them as a graft in the heart.
[01:29:58] When we have blockage with the heart.
[01:30:00] Because of the high pressures.
[01:30:02] The high pressures in that area is
[01:30:04] injuring that vein.
[01:30:05] It's called arterialization of the vein.
[01:30:08] So that vein now functions as an artery
[01:30:11] and [snorts] because of the high
[01:30:11] pressures it's causing injury and what's
[01:30:13] happening when there is injury happening
[01:30:15] your defense mechanisms are going.
[01:30:18] And because you've got low cholesterol
[01:30:19] and low LDL they can't defend it
[01:30:21] properly. So clot with the heart or clot
[01:30:24] break area.
[01:30:26] One question just came in my mind not
[01:30:27] related to rapid fire is cancer.
[01:30:30] We seeing a huge
[01:30:32] we need to go into that this thing I
[01:30:34] would say increase of cancer which is
[01:30:35] happening and cancer
[01:30:38] again
[01:30:39] with the healthier lot of people also we
[01:30:41] are seeing
[01:30:42] so what's your view on why is it
[01:30:44] happening? I think we spoke about this
[01:30:45] earlier
[01:30:47] like I said it's a metabolic disease
[01:30:49] also there are some that might be
[01:30:50] genetic right I don't believe that you
[01:30:52] know if you're adding 1.4 to 1.5 million
[01:30:54] cases every year I'm not an oncologist
[01:30:56] and no offense to you of the oncologist
[01:30:58] out there but
[01:30:59] it's time that we think right I mean 1.4
[01:31:01] to 1.5
[01:31:02] trigger I'm just am I why am asking this
[01:31:04] is a
[01:31:06] conversation we it's the environment
[01:31:07] which we are living in.
[01:31:08] Yes that can have some pollution
[01:31:11] you have pollution you've got smoking
[01:31:13] tobacco chewing all of that though is
[01:31:15] there only What about your avoid
[01:31:21] I am blaming sugars and carbohydrates.
[01:31:24] Prove me wrong.
[01:31:27] I told you that when we do our pet scans
[01:31:29] why are we giving glucose?
[01:31:31] Why are we giving glucose why not just
[01:31:32] normal saline?
[01:31:34] And then scan.
[01:31:35] Means that we know that the glucose is
[01:31:37] going to shine
[01:31:38] wherever there are cancer cells right?
[01:31:40] And that's how you will not diagnose.
[01:31:43] So means those cancer cells are feeding
[01:31:44] on those glucose right? So are we
[01:31:46] thinking about that?
[01:31:48] It's a seed see I'm not trying to
[01:31:50] influence anybody I'm just trying to
[01:31:51] inspire people to think.
[01:31:53] And that's what we tell our kids also
[01:31:54] right if you if your child comes and
[01:31:56] tells you papa you made some yoga
[01:31:58] you said we try to go.
[01:31:59] Think about it try it at least.
[01:32:02] But when we grow older we don't want to
[01:32:03] try anything. And there is enough spoken
[01:32:06] about it but let's say if I'm a person
[01:32:08] after this podcast I want to see even if
[01:32:10] I Google it there is enough
[01:32:12] data to be read by people or research
[01:32:15] but probably not good.
[01:32:18] I think
[01:32:19] correct.
[01:32:20] Let's say I'm talking about a normal
[01:32:22] person who may or may not go deep into a
[01:32:24] subject and just writes on Google.
[01:32:25] start off by reading biochemistry and
[01:32:27] physiology first because those are facts
[01:32:30] data can be manipulated.
[01:32:32] I mean Bill Gates did a study where they
[01:32:34] showed M&M's were M&M's with chocolate
[01:32:36] M&M.
[01:32:38] were healthier than meat.
[01:32:41] It's
[01:32:42] illogical.
[01:32:43] [laughter]
[01:32:46] So imagine
[01:32:47] right? So read a biochemistry and
[01:32:49] physiology if you understand
[01:32:51] that that level of science
[01:32:53] you will understand read a normal
[01:32:55] nutrition books where they have written
[01:32:57] about what contains what
[01:32:59] what is active what is inactive nutrient
[01:33:03] what are nutrients what are
[01:33:04] anti-nutrients right? What is
[01:33:06] bioavailability what is bio
[01:33:08] digestibility read all of that.
[01:33:10] One habit doctors privately know is
[01:33:12] harmful but society still normalizes it.
[01:33:16] Junk food.
[01:33:20] Society normalizes it? Of course come
[01:33:22] on.
[01:33:22] Normalizes in the sense
[01:33:23] You go to a party
[01:33:25] what are you going to have nachos?
[01:33:27] Right? Chips there will be cold drinks
[01:33:30] even if you drink alcohol bottle cold
[01:33:31] drinks and mix it and beat it.
[01:33:33] You know you love those tetra bag juices
[01:33:35] chips all of that is going to be there.
[01:33:38] It's normal right? People keep it.
[01:33:43] And then you say sugar rush
[01:33:46] that sugar rush is actually your brain
[01:33:48] going into a hyperactive mode that's not
[01:33:50] a good thing.
[01:33:51] It's not a good thing.
[01:33:56] You
[01:33:58] still feel let's example
[01:34:01] I'm at a place or I'm at a restaurant
[01:34:03] it's still better to eat a meat I don't
[01:34:05] know the source of it we are talking
[01:34:06] about we don't know the source of it
[01:34:08] it's still better to eat that then
[01:34:10] even though it may be injected even
[01:34:12] though I can
[01:34:14] non GMO non this non that
[01:34:17] but let's say if I go to a restaurant
[01:34:18] it's still You know strawberry farmers
[01:34:20] in Mahabaleshwar don't eat their own
[01:34:21] strawberries.
[01:34:22] Spinach farmers don't eat their own
[01:34:24] spinach because they know the amount of
[01:34:25] pesticides and sides used.
[01:34:28] You don't
[01:34:34] The apples and all that you get
[01:34:38] Sure injected to that
[01:34:39] but they kept it to they kept in
[01:34:41] controlled conditions because they are
[01:34:42] surplus right?
[01:34:43] And does they want to keep the Plus
[01:34:46] they want to I mean keep it for a longer
[01:34:47] period of time as well right because of
[01:34:49] that.
[01:34:50] So we so it's still better to eat the
[01:34:52] meat. For sure.
[01:34:53] It's still healthier it's still
[01:34:55] the biggest lie told to an Indian about
[01:34:57] nutrition.
[01:34:59] Fiber is good for you.
[01:35:00] Fiber is
[01:35:05] [laughter]
[01:35:07] One thing hardcore meat eaters like you
[01:35:10] also get it wrong.
[01:35:12] Eating it with carbs.
[01:35:15] Like you.
[01:35:16] You mean non calorie with chicken tikka.
[01:35:18] So cereals grains and vegetables block
[01:35:20] the uptake of nutrients from meat.
[01:35:23] So I'll have a lot of omnivores who are
[01:35:24] B12 deficient why because you take a
[01:35:27] mutton curry mutton B12 but it's a lot
[01:35:29] of trouble
[01:35:30] with vegetables and all that
[01:35:31] that blocks the uptake.
[01:35:35] But is it still slightly better than
[01:35:37] eating other things? I'm just trying to
[01:35:39] Of course of course. Even if you have
[01:35:41] little bit
[01:35:42] So is it that carnivore has to be a
[01:35:45] hardcore carnivore then only it works?
[01:35:47] See you have to you you have to
[01:35:50] slide into it.
[01:35:52] When you will understand when you go
[01:35:53] full blown carnivore and then when you
[01:35:55] start adding things you will get
[01:35:57] symptoms
[01:35:58] then you will understand. But that's the
[01:35:59] process I can't say
[01:36:01] carnivore you also run through
[01:36:04] I think
[01:36:07] I can say I'll be like
[01:36:09] I've had so many patients.
[01:36:12] They loving it thing is that they see so
[01:36:14] many changes right energy top notch the
[01:36:17] stamina is top notch they're feeling
[01:36:19] good about themselves there's no brain
[01:36:20] fog there's no mental health issues a
[01:36:21] lot of people have mental health issues
[01:36:23] man I was surprised.
[01:36:25] I was surprised no no no but the thing
[01:36:26] is a lot of them had anxiety issues
[01:36:29] heart rate issues which I never thought
[01:36:31] would be so prevalent.
[01:36:32] We get these out of control panic
[01:36:35] attacks to the emergency department out
[01:36:37] there chill one in a while at the moment
[01:36:39] two three
[01:36:40] but almost 20% of my patients
[01:36:43] were on carnivore had these issues.
[01:36:46] One medical guideline you believe will
[01:36:48] change drastically in the next 10 years
[01:36:50] as people get more aware.
[01:36:54] I think more focus on getting the right
[01:36:56] nutrients hopefully that's our hope from
[01:36:59] the carnivore community from all across
[01:37:01] the world that doctors stop focusing on
[01:37:04] medicines too much
[01:37:05] and focus on the right nutrients and
[01:37:07] start asking questions. Guidelines won't
[01:37:09] change man because that's a very
[01:37:10] powerful industry you have to
[01:37:11] understand. It's like American Diabetes
[01:37:14] Association Google it.
[01:37:16] Who are the sponsors who gives money to
[01:37:17] them? See this now has become also
[01:37:20] people have become aware of this part
[01:37:22] right that guidelines are because of or
[01:37:25] I would say some journals or some
[01:37:27] studies are sponsored by XYZ so
[01:37:30] obviously you know they they are but you
[01:37:32] think still they they too strong to It's
[01:37:34] going to take time right any revolution
[01:37:36] takes time right?
[01:37:36] You did mention that you were very happy
[01:37:38] with the new secretary of health
[01:37:40] Oh yeah the dietary guidelines US
[01:37:43] dietary guidelines they flipped the
[01:37:44] pyramid right? So now there's more focus
[01:37:46] on animal proteins.
[01:37:47] And it was right the opposite
[01:37:49] means was right at the top only
[01:37:51] your basic stuff and now they have
[01:37:53] totally flipped it.
[01:37:54] They have totally flipped it
[01:37:56] they're they're focusing more on fats
[01:37:58] and proteins and good proteins
[01:38:00] which are from animal proteins yes there
[01:38:03] is still written a little bit about
[01:38:04] vegetables and fruits and all of that.
[01:38:07] But again for them also because they had
[01:38:09] so many advisors there was a lot of to
[01:38:11] and fro there was a lot of
[01:38:14] a debate you know there was a lot of
[01:38:16] push back also
[01:38:17] because it was against big food and all
[01:38:19] of that right? So but it's in the right
[01:38:22] direction right? Started off. But my
[01:38:23] question is still when you talk about
[01:38:25] certain topics either on cholesterol or
[01:38:27] fiber or whatever even WHO if you if you
[01:38:30] read about that
[01:38:31] is for this now you saying WHO is also
[01:38:36] I mean in a way There are so many
[01:38:38] studies which are sponsored man.
[01:38:40] And look at the work of Zoe Harcombe
[01:38:42] check it out.
[01:38:43] Right and
[01:38:45] her studies were on
[01:38:47] the WHO studies itself on cholesterol.
[01:38:50] And she put up all of that data and it
[01:38:52] showed completely a different picture.
[01:38:55] Those who had lower cholesterol had more
[01:38:56] mortality.
[01:38:58] Those had higher cholesterol had lower
[01:38:59] mortality. I think you should we need to
[01:39:01] I we spoke about cholesterol but you
[01:39:03] know you the total cholesterol let's say
[01:39:05] the limit the so called limit is like
[01:39:07] 200 and you reach 2
[01:39:09] Yeah but 300 over yeah 200 over yeah
[01:39:12] because the companies could bring it
[01:39:14] down lower and lower and lower and
[01:39:16] lower.
[01:39:16] I mean there was this really cool study
[01:39:18] which had about 130,000 participants,
[01:39:20] right? This may they showed that people
[01:39:22] who had LDL lower than 100 had higher
[01:39:26] heart attacks
[01:39:27] and mortality than those who had higher
[01:39:29] LDL. In France can you get out the
[01:39:31] conclusion but then bring the LDL to
[01:39:33] lower than 70.
[01:39:34] Exactly. I can relate this to mine
[01:39:37] because I was told to get my LDL lower
[01:39:38] than 70. Don't
[01:39:42] [snorts]
[01:39:42] Don't give me 130 or something that
[01:39:45] and it comes a bold bold man is about
[01:39:47] 250.
[01:39:49] LDL Yeah. The limit so key So LDL
[01:39:51] carries LDL is what it's a protein,
[01:39:53] right? It carries cholesterol to the
[01:39:54] places where the body requires it. So if
[01:39:57] you don't have LDL, how will the
[01:39:58] cholesterol go to help out where it's
[01:40:00] supposed to help out?
[01:40:02] Cholesterol can't float in in the blood.
[01:40:04] It has to have that taxi that carries
[01:40:07] it.
[01:40:08] How is he going to carry it to the
[01:40:09] places? How is he going to carry it to
[01:40:12] as as a precursor for testosterone,
[01:40:13] progesterone, estrogen, all of that for
[01:40:16] your bile acids?
[01:40:17] For your lipid [snorts] drops of your
[01:40:18] insulin receptors.
[01:40:20] Oh.
[01:40:22] By the way,
[01:40:24] you look at surgical wounds. They've
[01:40:25] done biopsies on surgical wounds, right?
[01:40:27] From our our surgery kill
[01:40:29] scar tissue but that was a biopsy care
[01:40:30] care below spin lipoprotein.
[01:40:34] What caused that wound? Lipoprotein.
[01:40:38] But it was there. Why? It was healing
[01:40:40] it.
[01:40:41] Now the industries are making gels
[01:40:44] with these lipoproteins
[01:40:46] to help you heal wounds.
[01:40:49] Right? What are the you guys got to get
[01:40:51] up lipoprotein there with a little
[01:40:53] lipoprotein crap? Crap.
[01:40:56] Explain that.
[01:40:58] So your body's original defense
[01:40:59] mechanism like I said.
[01:41:02] LP little A given a bolo bolt and LP
[01:41:04] little A is an evolutionary molecule
[01:41:06] which was made by the body because I'm
[01:41:08] vitamin C they give us a second hand.
[01:41:10] Right? Vitamin C come function is to
[01:41:12] make collagen and and scaffolding for
[01:41:14] your arteries so that they don't get
[01:41:15] injured. So LP little A evolved to go
[01:41:19] and stick to places where
[01:41:21] your arteries are getting injured.
[01:41:23] So what you have to keep up to and it's
[01:41:25] a very strong bond that it forms over
[01:41:26] there.
[01:41:28] That is what was found
[01:41:29] in your biopsies of surgical wounds.
[01:41:33] But tell me something now before I come
[01:41:35] to my last question. I have one more
[01:41:36] question that just came to my mind.
[01:41:38] We have advocates it's like
[01:41:41] uh
[01:41:41] Brian Johnson and all which we read. I
[01:41:43] don't know if you read don't die or you
[01:41:45] know creating you live for whatever ever
[01:41:47] ever whatever.
[01:41:48] Now you look at him, okay?
[01:41:50] If you read him he I'm just giving you
[01:41:52] another point of view, right? Supposedly
[01:41:55] the best health markers anyone in this
[01:41:57] planet supposedly which they say.
[01:42:00] Supposedly
[01:42:02] has the meals which you say absolutely
[01:42:04] should not have like in the morning
[01:42:06] he'll have all the vegetables. He'll
[01:42:07] have meat yes but he'll have all the
[01:42:08] vegetables.
[01:42:09] only fish.
[01:42:10] But he's mostly vegan and he'll have a
[01:42:12] lot of pills. And my next question is he
[01:42:15] says I have 50 pills or something that's
[01:42:17] what he's mentioned in his documentary
[01:42:19] that I have 50 pills
[01:42:21] every day.
[01:42:22] Now you tell me that is the best
[01:42:24] parameters and the healthiest person.
[01:42:26] Best parameters as to who? As to the
[01:42:28] medical parameters.
[01:42:30] But again there are after conflict with
[01:42:31] that you have to close to the about to
[01:42:33] get ready to be
[01:42:34] Who decides the best parameters?
[01:42:37] Does he look healthier than most of the
[01:42:38] carnivores? I don't think so.
[01:42:41] He spends what how many millions of
[01:42:42] dollars? A million every year or
[01:42:44] whatever
[01:42:45] And he's got a whole lot of scientists
[01:42:47] behind him and everything, right?
[01:42:50] So you think it's more of a
[01:42:52] You saw that one uh
[01:42:54] uh
[01:42:55] there was a podcast Rajiv Makhni's
[01:42:57] podcast some person had come who had who
[01:42:59] used to follow Brian Johnson a lot and
[01:43:01] when Brian Johnson was in Bombay
[01:43:03] uh Mumbai uh
[01:43:05] there there was a
[01:43:06] in Nikhil Kamath's a podcast also and he
[01:43:07] went away. Yeah and he had a show,
[01:43:09] right? Where they were serving junk
[01:43:11] food. Yeah yeah yeah yeah someone told
[01:43:13] me about this. Yes yes yes.
[01:43:14] So I mean if you're if you're against
[01:43:15] junk food and you're serving junk food
[01:43:16] then That's the most ridiculous thing I
[01:43:18] just told you like for my child's
[01:43:20] parties we don't serve junk food to any
[01:43:21] of the kids.
[01:43:22] We get proper meats made and that is
[01:43:24] what is given to everybody.
[01:43:27] Right? So there might be a little bit of
[01:43:29] hypocrisy over there. I don't know. Take
[01:43:31] it I mean to each his own.
[01:43:33] He didn't organize that and could have
[01:43:34] been organized. I don't know about that.
[01:43:37] But
[01:43:38] yeah I mean how many people are going to
[01:43:39] live 50 pills a day?
[01:43:41] Why would you want like I told you you
[01:43:42] can live on supplement you want to live
[01:43:44] on supplements?
[01:43:46] And you're getting all these things on
[01:43:47] the meat. Yeah.
[01:43:49] All of them.
[01:43:50] It's a good thing we need to go to the
[01:43:51] time.
[01:43:54] Plus there are so many other proteins
[01:43:56] which are still yet to be identified.
[01:43:58] Cuz meat has so many of them.
[01:44:01] So many. And red meat is one of the more
[01:44:03] healthier ones.
[01:44:04] Red meat and eggs full eggs. The yolk
[01:44:06] has so many nutrients.
[01:44:12] What are the kidney papers made debunk
[01:44:14] over here? But people would not want to
[01:44:15] read that now.
[01:44:19] Exactly.
[01:44:20] What do I get out of it for so many
[01:44:22] studies they've shown that eggs are not
[01:44:24] harmful for you.
[01:44:27] I will tell you I kept many people
[01:44:29] I was having two three eggs every day
[01:44:31] and I like the yolk. So they said you
[01:44:33] can't have 21 yolks.
[01:44:36] [laughter]
[01:44:36] In a week you can only have five six
[01:44:39] maximum eggs don't get a lot
[01:44:44] That's not a nonsense man. Absolutely.
[01:44:47] One last question.
[01:44:50] I want you to leave for the audience one
[01:44:52] thought.
[01:44:54] Right? Based on your experience I mean
[01:44:56] this book maybe has spoken about this
[01:44:58] but one thought
[01:45:00] so that their health journey improves
[01:45:03] where they are or or or you know they
[01:45:05] make a change for the better or whatever
[01:45:07] you want to I mean just one thing what
[01:45:09] would you like to leave?
[01:45:11] You need to take your health seriously.
[01:45:14] Take it in your own hands.
[01:45:17] Uh do your own research.
[01:45:19] Right? But understand that
[01:45:21] we're not
[01:45:22] most of us are not living a healthy life
[01:45:25] and we're not doing that for our
[01:45:26] children also.
[01:45:28] You might have the best intentions but
[01:45:29] you're not doing it the right way.
[01:45:31] Don't rely on health care all the time.
[01:45:33] That's not going to help you.
[01:45:35] And like I said in the starting, do you
[01:45:36] want to be the oldest 30-year-old in the
[01:45:38] room or the youngest 70-year-old?
[01:45:40] Right? The choice is yours.
[01:45:42] So you know
[01:45:44] a lot of people tell me that you only
[01:45:45] have coffee got to get junk food at this
[01:45:47] that jelly margarine oldest that is
[01:45:48] going to get it. This is what I'm
[01:45:49] talking about. People think oldest eggs
[01:45:51] are going to disease over by some if you
[01:45:53] eat the wrong foods and die early it's
[01:45:55] going to be a painful death.
[01:45:57] That will be a painful death because you
[01:45:59] will have so many diseases and
[01:46:01] complications because of that.
[01:46:04] But if you lead a healthy life even if
[01:46:06] you die in old age it won't be because
[01:46:07] of disease it'll be a natural death.
[01:46:11] That is what people need to understand.
[01:46:14] Take your health seriously and take it
[01:46:15] in your own hands.
[01:46:17] Right?
[01:46:18] Dr. good thank you so much.
[01:46:20] I think so this is has been my longest
[01:46:22] and the most fun podcast as well. Yeah
[01:46:24] it's been an absolute pleasure
[01:46:25] [laughter] man. No no thank you so much
[01:46:26] a pleasure absolutely. Thank you. Thanks
[01:46:28] man. Yeah thanks for having me.