# EPIC Online Technology Meeting on VCSEL Technology and Applications

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[00:00] hello welcome everyone oh wow.
[00:03] today we really do have a lot of friends.
[00:05] here hey Mary how are you doing it's good to see you.
[00:07] I'm well I'm Frankie and I my friend Herman everybody Ricky's here as well from Goliath great company making pixels let's get the ball rolling.
[00:17] good at inácio Carioca robbery no good to see you.
[00:21] let's start thank you very much all of you for joining today on a very special session of the epic online technology meetings today with my favorite topic in the world vertical cavity surface emitting lasers pixels so let's get the ball rolling.
[00:36] Anna are you ready she looks ready series full of energies and so many energy drinks a lot of coffee so today is the 22nd event or the epical line technology meetings when I took this picture with my with my with my shirts I was very excited but also very curious to know if this concept was going to work I didn't know to be honest.
[01:00] that we were gonna be so successful.
[01:02] I would like to thank everyone for all the great food that we are receiving or the overwhelming amount of requests to be the presentation were coming.
[01:10] I want a request of attending all the great emails has came to connect with each other.
[01:15] We are so happy with this concert.
[01:18] There's no way that we're gonna stop, but we're gonna continue with three meetings a week all the way to 15th of July.
[01:25] It's gonna be a great great beginning of the summer and then we'll let you relax for the rest of the summer because now 560.
[01:34] 560 members.
[01:34] I would like to welcome the two members we got in the last of 24 hours.
[01:39] Quicks photonic into the circuits from quantum computing.
[01:41] I Vav thank you very much for joining the association.
[01:46] It's so great to see that every two days I announce new members.
[01:48] It's so exciting.
[01:50] Also will it let you know that all of you here most of you here are a big member.
[01:54] So you all have access to all the marker reports.
[01:56] We have no 17,000 view graphs for you to access all.
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[02:01] free access for this toggle purchase.
[02:03] today mark report from strategies are limited and it has several sections on pixels which are extremely extremely interested.
[02:11] so these are very read aloud you have access to this marker report the worldwide market for lasers have a good look about accessible vixens especially on the market of lighter range finding for the defense and the consumer electronics market.
[02:26] this keeps being still the largest website to find a job in photonics www.howtechs.com.
[02:32] so you are looking for a job or if you have job openings this is your place to go and now let's start Vic cells.
[02:41] so you know like in October we had in my opinion the best epic technology meeting the husband in the last 16 years.
[02:50] we have a meeting at Sony to talk about pixels with the key companies in the sector so everybody was dead.
[02:54] I'm actually everybody's here today as well.
[02:58] I thought that during this very difficult times it was good to get back together again with
[03:02] some new friends and also tell people in YouTube what kind of things we are doing together and what kind of things we still need to do together so about seven eight months after we are here we are here in the online world to talk about pixels technology and applications and today we are here thanks to a fantastic group of sponsors opti wife who as many of you know is the software tools for design simulation optimization of components lay existence and networks a great great software when free software tool also wrote micro ticket you ever need to test your pixels or your LEDs on your photo values this is the best place to test your devices for reliability special in aerospace automotive healthcare jival optics this is the company who enables the design for manufacturing in the volume production I went to visit them in Indiana they make the GoPro camera but they also make sure that your designs go to volume production by contactees the company has positioned us in the middle of automation for manufacturing but in the field of excels they are enabling
[04:02] automation for testing a wafer level new technology.
[04:08] if you ever need any kind of diffractive or metallic components this is the place to go.
[04:12] ever hit is for air we are autonomous vehicles all the way to consumer electronics.
[04:17] this is a great company for you to have in your radar.
[04:19] VTT all the way in Finland the Congo the key companies result in Co package photonics and of.
[04:26] and we have the one with the largest R&D clean rooms that I have ever seen.
[04:31] and finally we go system my friend friends from Poland chess.
[04:35] these guys are the best ones going to come to meaningful detectors but no Leo's who make active lasers.
[04:42] and last week they actually published the first ever big cell in mini feral.
[04:46] so thank you very much my polish friends in Korea Parcher.
[04:49] I think it's time to start with the person who really hug also hard to hurt very here today dr. Anna Gonzalez.
[04:56] what's in the menu today.
[05:00] hello everybody and thank you for supporting always nice introductions.
[05:01] so yes a we have a pretty
[05:04] nice aim very nice list of companies that are going to talk this is the agenda but these are not the only companies that are in the room today.
[05:12] when we have a here today is a very nice representation of the supply chain as our goal is to establish a new collaborations to push technologies and to see what are the challenges.
[05:24] so for this what is important is to have a representation companies representing each level in the supply chain so let's start with the system integrators.
[05:34] we want to know about the what are the challenges what are the needs that they have in the supply chain for that day we will have the big sale as manufacturers to tell us about the these needs and also well maybe there is a need for calling production.
[05:48] for this we also have companies in DSA in English 1102 supply chain and also it will be for the packaging of these pixels we would require a micro optics and also design a software of course when you go to large.
[06:07] volumes that are also requests about manufacturing equipment and of course also for the wave level production a cleanroom equipment M it's very important for the packaging and assembly and testing challenges that we have here also representation of this sector of the industry and well is more or less that's it just to to reminder that we have here the final lines a picture a foreman for packaging and assembly wit and also the pine online a fabulous for free form a micro optics a pilot production so tight that see them Jose if I didn't 80 companies register for the meeting today's a modern are here somewhere they consume some of the YouTube connecting each other is or pressure and more life so we like to dip the companies that in YouTube and also the ones in some applicable as well if
[07:07] you want to get in touch with any of the participants today all you have to do is send me an email hosted Paso at Epic das acid calm hosted photo at Epic das Assad calm and I will be so happy of connecting you to each other that's what we love doing
[07:20] once again optical rotatory travel optics eye contact near technology VDT and bigger systems you guys Rock let's get the well the world rolling there is no better way of doing that to give the floor to my friend Christian number from one of the success stories of pixel manufacturing in Europe the company fertilis Christian danke thank you very much for being with us this beautiful afternoon Alicia in the Netherlands the floor and the attention of everyone here in the Sun channel and in the YouTube universe is yours
[07:56] how you doing Christian today we're doing great as you can see like we drunk maybe I'll eat too much coffee as you can notice but I think that the right
[08:07] amount for keeping you entertained you.
[08:10] share the screen we enjoy your pixels.
[08:12] there for me can you see my screen now?
[08:14] not yet not yet.
[08:20] coming up now it is coming and it is here.
[08:23] the floors yours.
[08:25] okay great well then thanks again for having us here and giving a short talk about modulus pixel technology.
[08:32] so let's get started.
[08:36] I try and talk as fast as Jose so maybe I can keep the six minutes so.
[08:46] okay marilla's is a long producer and develop of long wavelengths pixels and that means we can do lasers or long wavelengths pixels from 1.3 micron to over 2 micron.
[09:00] we have a special design is indium phosphide based that makes it special because it allows us to go way beyond 1.3 micron.
[09:08] compared to other long wavelengths pixel technology can cover everything from 1270 nanometer all the way up to two point three micron.
[09:17] today we produce on 2 inch and 3 inch raises and we can produce over 40,000 lasers with the current eye size of 250 micron square on 1/3 inch pacer.
[09:30] moving to the next slide you can see here the main applications that virtualized and our technology is addressing today.
[09:40] our biggest market and revenues are coming today from the NIA infrared sensing market for mostly for technologies for a tunable dyed laser spectroscopy.
[09:52] this is where you measure gases that are in the environment.
[09:55] those could be open path systems like the one shown here in this slide where you have a transmitter and the receiver could be up to 100 meters in distance.
[10:08] applications are measuring poisonous or
[10:12] explosive gases on oil platforms or oil refineries for example and other applications are portable devices for methane detection or other other gases.
[10:26] it's a very very wide field where you need many different wavelengths to measure many different gases.
[10:31] the other main market are optical communications.
[10:34] so our lasers can address applications mostly in the data center space intra and Inter data center connections as well as in metro networks.
[10:46] this is where our laser technology is able to meet the different requirements which are in the O band for one point three micron C band and L band around one point five five to one point six micron.
[11:05] and also looking a little bit at the performance of our lasers and it started.
[11:13] on the on the left-hand side for the me
[11:15] infrared gas analysis section here you can see Li and bi performance curves as our lasers so let's start with the VI curve so you can see the voltage on this side and the current on this axis that our lasers usually consume less than 1.5 volt and neither may be a bias current depending on the application between 5 and 10 milliamps so the laser is a very power efficient same is for the communications lasers and also that helps to save on electrical power dissipation what's very important is for the gas sensing market is the tune ability of the laser and as you can see here on this chart at bottom left that you can tune our lasers with the bias current so by setting the bias current to certain coin operating point you can actually tune the laser so in this case
[12:14] you can tune it for example from sixteen fifty one nanometer all the way up to sixteen fifty five nanometer
[12:23] and that allows you to scan across a so-called absorption lines for the sensing market
[12:27] now for communications our lasers have the fastest lasers have as 2 or 3 DB bandwidth of around 17 18 gigahertz
[12:37] and it has been shown that our lasers have been modulated up to 40 gigabit per second on all K
[12:42] of course you can also do this with DMT or other kind of modulation formats
[12:48] these are very nice single mode lasers
[12:51] so you can see bottom right we have typically a side matza pressure ratio for the DB and more
[13:01] and then the concluding slide so this talk is our outlook and the roadmap but we are working on and in other applications
[13:10] I'm starting here with the high-power two-dimensional pixel array
[13:12] so we have done develop prototypes with over 1,000
[13:17] emitters on one chip allowing us to have several watts of CW power and modulated operation.
[13:26] first operation this can be a multiple of that.
[13:28] we are also working very actively with partners in in all over the world and especially in Europe for example this vtt to integrate our digital technology with silicon photonics chips for very high data rate.
[13:47] very highly integrated silicon photonic integrated solutions.
[13:50] the other activity we are following is to develop also long wavelength fixes but based on gallium antimonide materials but it allows us to also go beyond 2.3 micron and finally we have also developed prototypes to have a bite to mobile laser which can be chilled over 100 nanometers with the
[14:18] MEMS pixel approach okay so that concludes a brief overview about virtual us and our long wavelengths in phosphide pixel technology.
[14:29] Thanks a lot.
[14:32] Thank you max Christian.
[14:32] Oh wow just on time right?
[14:38] Okay so maybe Christian aim this a good moment for you to comment more about your role in passion about this a amazing pixels that you are doing.
[14:49] You know there is even okay and passion we are developing like terabit integrated solution is a single chip with two terabyte of throughput and we supply Bixler's in c-band to cover over 48 channels in the itu-t double TM grid.
[15:11] So we have the supply of the laser technologies of we supply 40 different wavelengths which are integrated on a single silicon photonics chip from vtt.
[15:20] so it's a very very exciting technology.
[15:23] highly integrated it's more like a chip technology solution but for optics.
[15:28] an amazing technology integrating the 40 excels in the same transceiver so yes.
[15:33] yes okay so we have a question from Joe.
[15:37] from the Purdue from the YouTube channel.
[15:40] okay this a question is from a phonics a.
[15:45] from Tamara M what is the present achievable a wavelength to nobility range for telecom and what is the plan to increase to these a range product.
[15:57] sorry I'm not sure if a fully got the question so what is the wavelength range that we can cover our wavelengths to nobility range.
[16:08] well if you have to speak any plan to increase the Eastern abilities yeah today with our quality the standard pixel approach we can tune several nanometers so meaning if you.
[16:21] tune like 3 3 to 4 nanometer you can cover several ITU channels depending if it's 100 gigahertz grid or even smaller.
[16:30] but we have this medical approach so we try to tune 50 nanometers up to 100 nanometers in the future ok yes I hope this answer the question of data and we have a second question in the YouTube channel from Antonio Meucci from photonics 42.
[16:49] what is the development status of single more pixels at a 50 50 nanometers 1550 yeah we end in the final qualification phase we have age called data of over 40,000 hours and we have accelerated aging campaign was over 10,000 hours so our goal is to fully qualify and finish qualification in 2020 and then start regular production.
[17:22] towards the end of this year okay and last question from Antonella a what are the market record what are the market requests for these 1550 nanometer pixel for communications applications yes okay
[17:38] well to cover several ITU channels to have certain optical power especially also at high temperatures but we can supply sufficient power off of around 1.5 to 2 milli watt even at 80 or 90 degrees at 50 degrees the lasers are about 3 and 3 milli watt optical power
[18:02] what's also important is the data rate so we have two product versions one is for 10 gigabit and the other one is for twenty five gigabit anymore and so I decide my suppression ratio of 35 TP or more so those are the key requirements in a very low consumption okay and then we have a few questions and so here in
[18:23] the in the temperate chat for you.
[18:25] they what a success Christian okay so we are
[18:28] from Dominique oh cool side maybe you
[18:31] want you are here right me Nico maybe
[18:33] you want to make the question by
[18:35] yourself well I mean actually I've been
[18:38] in contact with Chris in the past so I
[18:42] mean we like to discuss a little bit
[18:44] more in the test is that he is
[18:49] developing for a quantum communication
[18:51] application that we are developing so is
[18:56] available for a further discussion okay
[19:00] sure yeah I mean this is a new new
[19:03] market for us and we can discuss the
[19:05] requirements and then hopefully we have
[19:08] the right laser for this type of
[19:10] application okay thank you
[19:13] Dominika you join this meeting with a
[19:15] very clear goal you have a demand for a
[19:18] vixen for a particular application do
[19:21] you can just want to share some of these
[19:22] specifications with the people today
[19:24] there is no better audience than this one
[19:26] well let's say I mean what we see as a laser
[19:30] so since we found some niche application related to what we are developing which is quanta random number generation for some quantum application
[19:43] I cannot give more details but in the past being discussed with Christian but at somebody let's say the conversation ended
[19:51] so I would like to restart this conversation feasible
[19:57] okay perfect so we have more choice fiance here in the tub and a photon design Dominique I'm here right
[20:03] yes hi yes thanks for that talk you you seem to be doing great things with your vehicles
[20:14] yeah I was impressed you said your vixx's are single mode that usually makes them inefficient so what is the
[20:25] differential quantum efficiency you
[20:27] achieve in single mode regime well I
[20:34] wouldn't say that having a single mode
[20:36] Leila laser makes some inefficient it's
[20:38] it's it's a trade-off between the
[20:41] optical power that you get from your
[20:42] device and the single mode performance
[20:45] of course if you have wider active area
[20:47] you can get more optical power but
[20:50] typically a wall plug efficiency is in
[20:54] the range of 15 to 20 percent roughly
[21:00] okay thank you okay you're not so opting
[21:03] we have requests yes actually I'm just
[21:09] asking about the data because our
[21:11] software tool has money I'm gonna show
[21:13] it later on many components which model
[21:16] Vic sells and we hope that we get
[21:19] experimental data to be able to
[21:21] implement it and give better modeling
[21:24] for these pixels or how like I mean open
[21:27] tool to share data with us okay I think
[21:31] we need to talk about the details what
[21:33] we can share is it's just like measured
[21:38] data of course there's no problem to
[21:40] share that and I would probably hope to
[21:43] understand a little bit more about your
[21:44] modeling is it more thermal modeling or
[21:46] is it behavior modeling so what what to
[21:49] see the output off of your of your
[21:52] simulation or your tool then are you
[21:56] analyzing the electrical performance the
[21:58] optical performance or is it you know
[22:01] going even so far that you can show or
[22:04] the laser performs and certain
[22:05] applications I think that would be
[22:07] interested to this interesting to
[22:09] discuss sure these will be
[22:10] interesting to discuss of line okay
[22:12] because you are getting more and more
[22:14] questions and okay it's okay so you have
[22:17] a request so gay from yes yes I thank
[22:25] you very much for your presentation I I
[22:27] just have a technology question are you
[22:30] you limited only to simple mirrors or
[22:33] can you offer arrays I mean this is a
[22:37] little bit related to ineffectiveness so
[22:39] this is how you make these things if you
[22:42] combine those you can make him man
[22:44] more more powerful absolutely so if I
[22:49] may be jumping to my I don't know if
[22:52] that's still visible if I jump back one
[22:55] slide you can see here a two-dimensional
[22:59] array that will be had over 1,000
[23:02] emitters on one on one
[23:03] chip yes the answer is yes we can do a
[23:08] race we can do a one dimensional arrays
[23:10] like for optical communications like for
[23:12] 10 channels 12 channels and for parallel
[23:16] interconnects for example or for for
[23:19] more powerful or high power applications
[23:22] we can have Bixler rays two-dimensional
[23:26] Bixler rays and they can either the
[23:29] images can be addressed either together
[23:31] so they all emit light together or we
[23:35] can also have like certain parts of the
[23:38] chip being addressed separately so there
[23:43] everything is basically possible by
[23:45] design make sure that I make for you an
[23:49] introduction and after the after the
[23:52] meeting okay so very good so yes there
[23:57] are more questions I will free it from
[23:59] suit micro optics yes so may I talk we
[24:05] had we had a European project before
[24:08] which battery life was a very nice
[24:09] successful project and we liked it very
[24:11] much at the time I remember you were
[24:14] more on the component side it seems that
[24:16] you are now also going towards stop
[24:19] assemblies or is that true or is that
[24:21] still more on your client side
[24:25] yeah okay yeah so yeah thanks yeah there
[24:28] was a very interesting project we worked
[24:30] on together
[24:32] and you're right so we were tell us is
[24:34] mostly a components companies who so our
[24:37] core competency is really the design of
[24:40] lasers and the manufacturing and testing
[24:42] of the lasers but we are also more and
[24:45] more getting into the assembly
[24:47] techniques because especially together
[24:48] with silicon photonics we really need to
[24:51] fully understand the requirements so we
[24:54] have packaged lasers in more regular tio
[24:58] type packages for example would be
[25:00] offered today where LC tells us like
[25:02] transmit optical assemblies for SFP+
[25:05] modules or pigtail applications fiber
[25:09] fiber eyes applications but we are also
[25:11] now working with partners to offer
[25:14] like maybe optical engines in the future
[25:17] at least have a reference design so
[25:19] people know how to take our lasers and
[25:21] integrate them with silicon photonics in
[25:24] the future okay very interesting
[25:26] Christine you got the record of
[25:28] questions so far is quite impressive two
[25:31] more potential panels for you the first
[25:33] one Sumitomo my frame a very good friend
[25:36] she cat Assange is wondering dude your
[25:38] dust your pixels of 1550 nanometers in
[25:41] do they have enough power for the ADA's
[25:43] market for the automotive market you
[25:48] mean Auto models for for lidar
[25:50] applications
[25:51] he mentioned ADA's but I guess later yes
[25:53] it is yes but lidar well lidar are two
[25:58] types of applications one as far as I
[26:00] understand is more the long-range
[26:01] applications where you need a lot of
[26:03] optical power and the big sue tech
[26:05] technology may be borderline to have
[26:08] enough power but there's also near field
[26:10] or near range lighter applications just
[26:13] around the car as well as inside the car
[26:17] and for those applications our lasers
[26:19] certainly should have enough optical
[26:21] power especially as we do two
[26:22] dimensional arrays I wouldn't wish to
[26:24] shake at a sign in a separate image from
[26:26] Sumitomo you guys need to speak another
[26:27] question from Sun Microsystems
[26:30] Farsad is wondering do you develop also
[26:32] the electronics for the Vixens I know we
[26:35] don't of course we test our lasers in
[26:38] applications lived with laser drivers
[26:40] from commercial vendors but today we do
[26:44] not develop our own electronics we are
[26:47] really an optoelectronic company
[26:49] focusing on the laser technology okay
[26:54] very good so then they well that's it
[26:57] let's move forward with the program and
[26:59] let's go to the second speaker today so
[27:01] it it's my pleasure to introduce you
[27:04] dream book art from 2/6
[27:07] so you know yes hello so share your
[27:12] screen
[27:13] yes can you see my screen yes yes yes
[27:28] good ok good so thanks a lot for
[27:31] forgiving me the opportunity to talk to
[27:34] such an interesting forum I was already
[27:37] in Stuttgart and as Jose mentioned this
[27:39] was already super interesting so I'm
[27:41] hoping that it will match to the same
[27:43] level so I'm working with a company to
[27:46] 6:00 and we're we're a supplier of
[27:48] pixels for all kinds of application data
[27:51] communication industrial applications
[27:53] and consumer so today the talk i will
[27:56] give is really con focusing on the
[27:58] consumer application and even more to
[28:00] focus on the mobile application and what
[28:03] are the attributes that that you want to
[28:04] bring or that you want to develop your
[28:07] pixel for in order to match the mobile
[28:10] requirements so i will start from the
[28:14] from the technologies there are
[28:15] different ways of looking at the problem
[28:16] but one of them is to start from the
[28:18] technologies and let's say roughly said
[28:21] out to many categories there is
[28:23] time-of-flight based and there is
[28:25] triangulation based so if we start from
[28:28] the time of flight based they tend to be
[28:30] used in applications such as mental
[28:32] reality bouquet effects so that's that's
[28:34] the blurring of the background when you
[28:36] take a picture so that the subject pops
[28:38] out auto focus Viet your shopping and
[28:42] even then you could they branch out into
[28:45] two subcategories there is direct time
[28:47] of flight where you really measure you
[28:50] send a pulse of light and you direct
[28:52] measure how much time it takes to come
[28:53] back but then you have to see that
[28:55] because you rely on the speed of light
[28:57] the electronics requirements is very
[29:00] demanding you need fast modulation you
[29:03] need fast detectors and to give you the
[29:05] order of magnitude a round trip at 1
[29:09] centimeter is 67 Pico second so the
[29:12] electronics is needs to be incredibly
[29:14] fast and then there is another way to
[29:16] measure the this time of light this
[29:19] depth information is instead of
[29:21] measuring directly the pulse of light
[29:23] round-trip time is to measure the phase
[29:26] shift for example so you will modulate
[29:27] the light with a snowin modulation
[29:29] pattern and you measure how much by how
[29:32] much the phase is shifted so you kind of
[29:34] remove or reduce the requirement on the
[29:37] modulation because now you're only
[29:38] looking at the comparison of the phase
[29:40] shift on the modulation signal so you're
[29:42] still pretty fast but not as demanding
[29:45] as what you get in an indirect in a
[29:47] direct tunnel flight the advantage of a
[29:51] direct time-of-flight compared to an
[29:54] indirect time-of-flight
[29:54] i'll talk a bit about it now and i'll
[29:56] talk about it later as well it's the
[29:58] fact it in direct you will get rid of
[30:01] the so mode effects you tend to want to
[30:02] have a very high peak power so very high
[30:06] a very high peak power and very short
[30:09] calls and then have a long duty cycle
[30:12] low duty cycle so a long pause between
[30:15] the two pulses which means that really
[30:17] there is almost no summary effect and
[30:19] what does it mean for a big saw is that
[30:21] when you get rid of the thermal you can
[30:23] actually get more power out from a unit
[30:26] from a certain unit area of
[30:28] semiconductor so you can overdrive to
[30:30] pixels so it has advantages because then
[30:34] you're all of a sudden you have a high
[30:35] peak power that competes against the
[30:37] ambient sunlight that you see here which
[30:39] is present in all mobile application and
[30:41] you improve your signal to noise ratio
[30:43] so direct angle flights because of those
[30:47] advantages is still very interesting
[30:50] despite the the demands that you have on
[30:53] the modulation on the on the electronic
[30:54] side and on the sensor side so in
[30:59] general time of flight there are
[31:00] advantages and disadvantages the concept
[31:02] is very simple select also flights and
[31:05] you measure
[31:05] time it takes to come back so from the
[31:07] software side it's it's not very
[31:09] demanding so it's a simple software that
[31:11] means also that all the architecture the
[31:15] computational requirements is is not so
[31:18] high which also reduces the thermal load
[31:20] and and the energy load on your mobile
[31:24] device also and that's that's in
[31:27] contrast to the triangulation method you
[31:29] don't need parallax that means you can
[31:31] have a compact illumination and sensor
[31:33] they can even be in the same in the same
[31:36] module Anderson yeah so assembly and you
[31:41] can make all together the solution very
[31:42] compact which is very attractive for
[31:44] mobile device another feature is that as
[31:49] you go further out to measure longer
[31:52] depth the noise only increases linearly
[31:54] and it that's in contrast also to the
[31:56] triangle made triangulation method where
[31:58] it increases quadratically that's why in
[32:01] the application time-of-flight tends to
[32:03] be used for long range that means world
[32:05] facing that's what I described earlier
[32:07] the augmented reality the bulky
[32:09] autofocus that's all world facing on the
[32:13] other hand there are some disadvantages
[32:14] and one of them is that it requires a
[32:16] dedicated pixel technology you cannot
[32:18] use your standard CMOS sensors and those
[32:21] pixels are not as mature and also they
[32:24] tend to be big that means that
[32:27] altogether the sensor you will get have
[32:28] a slower spatial resolution and that
[32:31] also drives there the use of the time of
[32:34] flight technology in two different
[32:36] applications when you don't require high
[32:39] resolution but you need long-range then
[32:42] you will find time-of-flight a coentrão
[32:44] when you need the high spatial
[32:46] resolution or short-range then you tend
[32:49] to find structure light so now going
[32:52] into the structure light it's you will
[32:55] see why there is this dakota me between
[32:57] the two in structured lights is similar
[33:00] to stereo vision stereo vision is the
[33:02] same as our human vision we have two
[33:04] eyes and from the parallax the fact that
[33:06] we don't look at a target with the same
[33:08] from the same position so there is an
[33:10] angle there is an offset angle so we
[33:12] convert the depth information into a
[33:14] special shift so that's the risk
[33:17] and tried and structured light is very
[33:19] similar instead of fusing two detectors
[33:21] the two eyes you have one illumination
[33:23] source which projects a known pattern
[33:24] and the other the detector is looking at
[33:27] the parallax and is looking at the shift
[33:29] of your known pattern and from the shift
[33:31] of the known pattern it can infer the
[33:33] depth information so the advantage here
[33:37] is that it uses standard CMOS so you can
[33:39] get very high spatial resolution the
[33:44] depth resolution is can be very good but
[33:48] it doesn't have to be it's related to
[33:49] the distance between the detector and
[33:51] the illumination and the reason is
[33:53] because you want to have high angles so
[33:56] high angles correspond to large special
[33:58] special shifts so it's an advantage but
[34:02] it's a disadvantage that means you can
[34:03] get good spatial resolution but that
[34:05] means that in order to get any depth
[34:07] information you need to split your
[34:09] elimination and your sensor and that
[34:12] means that you cannot make a contact
[34:13] system anymore which is a disadvantage
[34:16] for mobile applications the other thing
[34:20] is that this baseline distance between
[34:22] the illumination and the sensor is very
[34:24] critical that means you need to know it
[34:25] at any given time so the Assembly for
[34:28] the elimination and for the sensor needs
[34:30] to be very robust and you need to
[34:31] monitor it on the reliability side
[34:35] because the pattern is used to get the
[34:39] depth information if you use a vixen
[34:41] emitter as your dot in your pattern if
[34:44] the pixel emitter is dying you lose a
[34:46] depth information or with the context of
[34:49] its neighbour you lose its depth
[34:50] information so the requirement on the
[34:53] structured light system on the Vic saw
[34:55] is much greater than any time of flight
[34:57] in a time of flight one emitter is
[34:59] collect is part of a collective of
[35:01] several hundreds so if one emitter dies
[35:04] or you get a bit less power but then you
[35:06] can crank up a bit the current and then
[35:08] there is no difference you don't lose
[35:09] that information so you see that already
[35:14] by choosing the technology it has
[35:16] different requirements on the
[35:17] illumination source so if we go a bit
[35:20] more generic and we look at what do you
[35:23] want from the pixel you want it to be
[35:25] small because you want to make a compact
[35:28] system and small
[35:30] still you have the requirement let's say
[35:32] on an output power because you want to
[35:33] certain reach so you want to increase
[35:35] the optical power density per unit area
[35:39] you want it at low-cost
[35:41] of course for that means that in general
[35:45] we will also try to drive the size down
[35:47] but again you want to increase the power
[35:50] per unit area there the reliability is
[35:53] very critical and that's not only for
[35:55] structured light as I talked about it
[35:56] but even for time-of-flight you want to
[35:58] push out the wear out the end of life of
[36:01] a certain pixel array to well after the
[36:04] product lifetime the modulation speed is
[36:07] very important not so important in
[36:10] structured light because it's pretty
[36:11] slow modulation but as you get to direct
[36:13] time of light you want to be able to
[36:14] have very short pulses and something
[36:17] that is also important and especially
[36:19] indirect time of light you want to get
[36:21] as much power out so you put a lot of
[36:22] current through and the current drives
[36:24] electromagnetic radiation so how can you
[36:27] reduce this electromagnetic radiation in
[36:29] a compact system such as a mobile phone
[36:31] and the power efficiency of your pixel
[36:34] is directly driving battery life so it
[36:36] is very important but it will also drive
[36:39] the heating of your pixel what you don't
[36:41] convert into optics is converted into
[36:44] heat then the beam shaping is something
[36:47] that you want to match the output of
[36:49] your elimination module to the camera
[36:52] system that you're using so you want to
[36:54] have a good matching between the two
[36:55] systems and finally last but not least
[36:58] is the eye safety it's a mobile device
[37:00] it will be used in all kinds of
[37:02] conditions and operations it needs to
[37:04] remain I save 100% of the time not 99.9
[37:08] percent of the time so in terms of the
[37:12] other products that are offered
[37:13] depending on this on the applications we
[37:16] have for example for display navigation
[37:18] that's what we use in the mouse so
[37:20] that's not mobile but it was used in the
[37:21] BlackBerry to navigate the button so
[37:26] it's low-power 8 50 nanometers it's a
[37:28] single mode device polarization locked
[37:30] and there is the whole category of an
[37:32] Internet of Things which tends to be
[37:33] indoor and there because it's indoor you
[37:36] want to benefit from the 850 nanometer
[37:38] sensitivity on the receiver that's why
[37:41] they tend to be at 850 nanometers
[37:44] then you have the single limiters or
[37:46] lowering it account for proximity
[37:47] sensors of autofocus those are mobile
[37:50] applications so there are nine forty and
[37:52] there are five to twenty milli watt it
[37:54] can be single mode on multimode emitters
[37:56] then you have the whole category of
[37:58] time-of-flight and that's in direct and
[38:00] direct time of Lights and like we heard
[38:02] a bit before from Christian you can
[38:04] aggregate power by putting many emitters
[38:06] and that's what we do so we scale the
[38:08] size of the arrays to match the power
[38:10] requirement and then we talked about it
[38:12] a little bit earlier from the question
[38:14] from the gentleman from Sumitomo you can
[38:16] also get two ADA's or lighters or
[38:19] assistants assistant driving and that
[38:22] requires powers that are much greater so
[38:24] I put more than 25 watt really you can
[38:27] go up to kilo watt level and that's
[38:29] where direct time-of-flight is
[38:30] definitely a technology of interest and
[38:33] i think i exceeded my six minutes so i
[38:35] will probably stop here thank you very
[38:37] much Julia actually having made you in
[38:39] his toga was one of the highlights of my
[38:42] last year it was great the amount of
[38:44] connections that they made with you and
[38:45] you followed up with all of them so in
[38:47] behalf on behalf of the 500 members of
[38:49] epic we love to have you got to connect
[38:52] we have a lot of questions but the first
[38:54] question is the epic question Julian
[38:56] what can you do for them what can they
[38:59] do for you so what we can do for them is
[39:02] fairly easy we can make like souls so as
[39:05] soon as you need as you have a demand
[39:06] for big souls for direct AMA flight
[39:09] indirect time of flight consumer
[39:10] application even datacom I'm not talking
[39:12] about it but we have while we're there
[39:14] and we can customize as well as
[39:16] solutions for for your problem what I'm
[39:20] looking for is for example on the direct
[39:22] time of fly direct time of flight there
[39:24] is still a lot to be learned we are
[39:26] exploring the regime of the overdrive
[39:28] and so there it requires fast
[39:30] electronics it requires fasting testing
[39:32] solutions so here I'm interested in
[39:35] understanding the ecosystem around the
[39:36] rectum of flight and the partnerships
[39:38] that we can form around this
[39:40] characterization of this mode of
[39:41] operation
[39:42] excellent because we have a lot of
[39:44] questions of people who want to work
[39:45] with you and the first one is from a
[39:48] company tile of optics buzzes whenever
[39:50] you're looking for filters or coatings
[39:52] don't go any further the question mr.
[39:54] Andre toecutter thank you very much for
[39:55] being with us this afternoon at the how
[39:57] are you doing
[39:58] Thank You Jose I'm doing very well thank
[40:00] you for organizing this event sir very
[40:03] helpful to bring the industry together
[40:04] and even despite quarantine getting
[40:08] contact with a large customer base my
[40:12] question is regarding our eye safety
[40:15] Julian mentioned that it is extremely
[40:17] important to maintain power levels of
[40:20] the VEX to ensure safety my question
[40:23] would be is there some feature that
[40:25] comes with your exit package to address
[40:27] that or is it up to your customer to
[40:31] solve that into their modules let's say
[40:35] yes that's a good question so we are
[40:38] supplying mixels in different forms we
[40:40] can supply chips and in general it tends
[40:42] to be that chips by themselves or not
[40:44] ISIF you can you can put enough current
[40:47] into them so that they do become not I
[40:48] say that means it needs to be guaranteed
[40:50] at the next level we are also providing
[40:53] packages and on the package side we we
[40:55] provide a certain level of eye safety
[40:57] but it cannot cover all the in the
[40:59] corner cases so for example we'll put a
[41:02] diffuser and the diffuser in normal mode
[41:04] of operation will be I safe but if
[41:06] something gets damaged on the diffuser
[41:08] then it still might be not be i safe so
[41:11] it still needs to be guaranteed by the
[41:13] end customer ok excellent thank you for
[41:16] this answer we are actually working in
[41:19] this area and we have a couple of
[41:21] coating solutions for example I tio or
[41:24] metallic conductive coatings that we can
[41:26] patent to very small feature sizes and
[41:29] we do see that in commercially available
[41:31] vector packages those kind of features
[41:33] are integrated and if we're looking into
[41:36] such solution you're welcome to contact
[41:39] us and that I will introduce you you
[41:42] have to talk to but the first day I'm
[41:45] gonna go to a beautiful sitting here
[41:46] money comes through because I think nana
[41:48] scribe can 3d pins 3d prints of Micra
[41:50] optics for you your car you doing today
[41:54] hide your from from yeah I just needed
[41:59] to find the right button
[42:00] what's your question you you're always
[42:03] too fast
[42:04] yeah I have a question what I'm most
[42:07] running since last week soon hello jr.
[42:09] nice to meet you again
[42:10] so again a very interesting in good
[42:12] speech or presentation this time rather
[42:14] rather so my question is mainly on time
[42:17] of flight record light what are the beam
[42:19] shaping methods which are used and what
[42:21] are the trends I mean the this is linked
[42:24] to the camera model so it's getting
[42:26] smaller smaller what is what do you see
[42:29] for trends do you see them at your side
[42:32] or is it more in the next step in the
[42:34] production yeah I would say I don't see
[42:39] that the trends have changed that much
[42:40] so we still use diffractive optical
[42:42] elements to to shape the beam so that
[42:44] would be typically diffusers they are
[42:47] still the the the request once in a
[42:50] while for structured light solutions so
[42:52] that would be more for a done generator
[42:53] but you're right it's probably more at
[42:56] the next level that they they would have
[42:58] more insight into the beam shaping so
[43:03] you're not integrating beam shaming
[43:06] directly into the vessel directly we can
[43:10] talk but later you're gonna see a
[43:13] presentation from Big Sur and you will
[43:15] be amazed jerk because we're gonna go
[43:17] now to Belgium I feel of it like
[43:18] Eurovision these days I go to Belgium
[43:20] from Germany I go to a company called
[43:22] yarmulke which is going off for biggest
[43:24] material suppliers at Epic vendek's how
[43:26] are you doing today
[43:27] I'm fine thank you I'll say what's your
[43:29] question well I know vexos you need a
[43:32] lot of access to were to get to a high
[43:34] power for a free rider are they ever
[43:37] going to be priced competitive cost
[43:38] competitive with edge emitting lasers
[43:40] that's an extremely good question I'm
[43:44] actually in the process of assessing
[43:45] that I think in the end if you just need
[43:47] a rope power it would be very difficult
[43:50] because the the fill factor of an edge
[43:52] inator can be much higher than I'd say
[43:54] on an edgy meter you can get 80% of the
[43:57] semiconductor area that's emitting light
[43:58] on the Vig so maybe you get 20% 30%
[44:01] however there are some features of the
[44:04] pixel
[44:04] for example the vertical emission the
[44:08] wavelength versus temperature the
[44:11] modulation speed that make it that it
[44:13] can be attractive but I would probably
[44:15] agree with Christians statement that
[44:17] long range probably more edgy meter
[44:20] space and short range maybe that's where
[44:23] pixels can
[44:24] comparable and I go now to the company V
[44:28] AI systems McLaren service with us the
[44:31] fastest vixx's I have ever seen Nick how
[44:33] are you doing today Nick from VI I think
[44:39] we have you here yes here it Mick
[44:45] I think we are not hearing you so I'm
[44:49] going to ask the question because you
[44:50] post in the chat how do you check for
[44:54] eye safety is 20 mil about some 5 nano
[44:57] second mentioned in the presentation the
[44:58] limit for 940 nanometer pixel race no
[45:03] you cannot answer in absolute like that
[45:05] because it's not only about power and
[45:06] pulse lengths it's also about the
[45:08] divergence and it's also about well in
[45:11] this case the wavelength and you also
[45:13] have to think is there any focusing
[45:14] element somewhere in your optical train
[45:17] for the honest ocular I cannot answer in
[45:21] absolute whether it's 20 million won 5
[45:22] nanosecond what I say is that the method
[45:24] that we're using is to place at 10
[45:26] centimeters an aperture of 7 millimeter
[45:28] which corresponds to the iris of the eye
[45:29] and then we check for the power density
[45:31] on the surface that replicates the
[45:33] retina well the most beautiful debates
[45:36] that we had at Sony was this one about
[45:38] high safety and that was a spectacular
[45:39] I'll record that you can find in the in
[45:41] the epic external net we go not very far
[45:44] away from here actually very close from
[45:45] here just behind these roll-ups the
[45:46] European Space Agency Imam thank you
[45:49] very much for joining this afternoon
[45:50] what's your question the question was
[45:55] simply just instant weight and the
[45:57] wavelength from 942 in this case 956 in
[46:02] high power and with preferably with a
[46:06] single mode so the short answer is yes
[46:10] there is nothing so specific about 956
[46:13] that it cannot be done it's just that we
[46:15] don't do it it's not part of the of the
[46:17] standard wavelengths range
[46:18] I mean it's the standard wavelength
[46:20] range it's not the standard wavelength
[46:21] but we have for example pixels at 9:18
[46:24] we have pixels at 969 40 so 58 is
[46:28] nothing special and in terms of singer
[46:33] mode
[46:33] same thing the same technology that you
[46:36] apply at 944
[46:37] mode cannot apply at 9:58 I have a few
[46:40] questions in the YouTube channel as well
[46:42] we are going to go very quickly through
[46:44] them the first one is from a company
[46:46] that we all love gisli techtronic easily
[46:49] they are wondering about the application
[46:52] requiring high current level for pulse
[46:54] driving vixens how much is such current
[46:59] if you go into later we can talk up to
[47:04] 500 amp so we are talking really very
[47:06] high power there are solutions where you
[47:09] can reduce the current and still and
[47:10] increase the voltage instead I think it
[47:12] will be talked about by the table from
[47:14] us from Pixar sorry
[47:17] in general for consumer maybe we're
[47:18] talking of 20 m/s next question is from
[47:23] STMicroelectronics
[47:24] Erik mozzarella he is wondering do you
[47:27] have any plan to produce long wavelength
[47:29] more than 1 micrometer wave Vixens this
[47:33] is something that we that we look at so
[47:35] we monitor and that's why it's also
[47:37] great to be this this meeting to see the
[47:40] work from gorillas or others this one is
[47:47] actually a tricky one can big cell in a
[47:49] race be selectively turned off yes so
[47:55] they can be addressed all in parallel
[47:57] that's that's the standard way that
[47:58] arrays are made but you can also
[48:00] dedicate dedicated lines so that you can
[48:02] address each single limiters the
[48:04] drawback of that is that it takes real
[48:06] estate and real estate costs money so
[48:08] that means you have a bigger chip and it
[48:10] will cost more money I think you are
[48:14] fighting with with Kristin to see who
[48:16] gets the most questions in the first row
[48:18] is really a draw and we go to the next
[48:20] epic member will go to javelin we go all
[48:23] the way to Jenna where they actually
[48:24] make the design for manufacturing into
[48:27] optical modules and it is so happy to
[48:29] have Simon in the room with us
[48:31] Simon the floor and the attention of
[48:33] everyone is yours is a great day for
[48:34] collaborations
[48:36] Thank You Jose very energizing talk so
[48:40] far see where I can start I'm taking the
[48:44] discussion to a slightly different level
[48:46] just monitor system level so we are
[48:50] integrating
[48:51] not only Viktor admitting different
[48:54] light sources into various substance and
[48:57] taking those into a mass production so
[49:00] my picture is a specific application
[49:04] here it's a consumer application we have
[49:07] we have the general task to design smart
[49:10] and small thoughts
[49:11] project on modules and principally the
[49:15] the way it's been done you have a light
[49:16] source which is defined by a number by
[49:18] the number of emitters the beam
[49:20] parameters and you end up with deciding
[49:23] between a geometers and of excerpts then
[49:27] of course you have some lenses system
[49:32] that define dot size the the angular
[49:35] spread and the focus basically and this
[49:38] this beam delivery goes usually into
[49:41] diffractive optics that define the top
[49:44] number density efficiency as well as the
[49:48] energy distribution and finally that's
[49:51] what the customers and system
[49:53] integrators are interested in it's the
[49:55] dot pattern there are the requirements
[49:59] regarding spatial distribution of all
[50:01] the dots and the of course energetic the
[50:04] distribution of the dots this is all
[50:07] accompanied by the acceptance of
[50:09] distortion which is always different
[50:10] from system to system so that's kind of
[50:13] the basic set up a general design task
[50:16] and as we are talking about the the
[50:20] first portion here there are light sauce
[50:22] let's elaborate a little more detail on
[50:25] on that one this is one of the designs
[50:29] of that projector module which we came
[50:31] up with consisting of different cameras
[50:33] in our RGB cameras and the laser
[50:36] protection what you in here the
[50:40] conceptual setup I showed you already
[50:42] this light before and looking into
[50:46] detail we have here the year the edge
[50:48] emitting light source a prism optics
[50:50] etcetera so that's the the currently
[50:52] used mass production setup and as it is
[50:57] a near field applications or close
[50:59] operation mode we are considering Vic so
[51:03] why are we doing this
[51:05] we consider those to be available in
[51:07] higher in higher power do you have the
[51:10] possibility to set up arrays of vixens
[51:13] and go into the hundreds of millivolts
[51:15] that's what we are looking for plus you
[51:18] have the option to operate a post
[51:19] operation which increase the power as
[51:22] well what we found interesting is the
[51:24] the wavelength stability which was
[51:27] compared to a tree meter it's zero point
[51:29] three nano meter per Kelvin compared to
[51:31] vector which is zero zero zero point
[51:34] zero six nanometers or it's not more
[51:36] stable we see a higher sensitivity and
[51:40] the possibility to have a very narrow
[51:42] spectral line width which is important
[51:44] also in the applications we are we are
[51:46] serving from a system design view of
[51:51] course you have the D etre meter on the
[51:53] right which is say sight looker and you
[51:57] have the the top look over at the
[51:58] Wechsler and I saw that dick sauce also
[52:01] presented today so I stole this but the
[52:03] reference is down here you can direct
[52:06] the projection that is possible and of
[52:09] course there is a lower power
[52:10] consumption on the Vic suicide which is
[52:13] especially but not only limited to
[52:15] consume applications very important so
[52:19] how does a conceptual setup fix to place
[52:23] the project to look like here F of
[52:26] course the defects every in this case
[52:29] combined with micro lens array so the
[52:32] collimation of each pixel emitter
[52:34] separately by a corresponding micro
[52:36] optical element the micro optical
[52:39] elements could also be stacked directly
[52:41] to the vex Larry that's also a
[52:43] possibility for optimization which
[52:46] allows of more flexible access to two
[52:48] new design concepts in general next
[52:51] level see the DOA the different
[52:54] effective optical element sometimes
[52:56] combined with for real lens so in this
[52:59] setup the gue act as an optical grating
[53:04] influencing the optical spread depending
[53:06] on the period the field of view depends
[53:09] on the feature size and gradients of the
[53:11] profile and the energetic distribution
[53:14] then depends on the high profile of the
[53:15] period for real lens can
[53:19] implemented I don't need to be that's
[53:23] depending on the angular spread that is
[53:25] desired so talking about the dot pattern
[53:32] movie without patterns or replication of
[53:37] the Vic Salieri's in the image in the
[53:39] detector plane and they can see already
[53:42] a lot of optical effects that are that
[53:45] we offer been faced with and that need
[53:48] to be compensated or eliminated and to
[53:52] illustrate this here are a few more
[53:54] images so the the working range is
[53:56] decisive in this system if you look at
[53:59] 200 600 1000 millimeter working range
[54:03] you need to decide where you optimize
[54:05] the system in this case it's for 600
[54:08] millimeters and there you come across
[54:10] so-called tessellation effects that
[54:13] originated from the finite extent of the
[54:14] vectors also depend on the working range
[54:17] in the overall system of course there is
[54:20] no how required to compensate for those
[54:24] tessellation effects at the required
[54:27] working distance in this case it's six
[54:31] of a millimeter optimization of course
[54:34] for the other distance and still the
[54:35] effectiveness is existent
[54:37] so that's needs to be taken into
[54:39] consideration there are also additional
[54:45] considerations we are taking when
[54:48] deciding about utilizing edge of metal
[54:50] versus X off the arrangement of the
[54:53] vector offers flexibility regarding the
[54:55] point cloud I mentioned that slide a few
[54:57] slides before this since needs to be
[55:00] useful for the separation focal length
[55:03] of a micro lenses if I influence the
[55:06] definition of the divergence if there's
[55:08] a small low divergence or system level
[55:10] you basically look at a good collimation
[55:12] for a good point separation which is
[55:15] decisive for the projection afterwards
[55:18] and last point here which is a very
[55:23] important one is that custom design of
[55:26] excel arrays are required of course
[55:28] there are vendors out there for standard
[55:30] designs but we are able
[55:33] something's looking at custom designs
[55:34] and we see an increase in need of a
[55:37] cooperation close cooperation of optical
[55:39] design the recs and manufacturers and of
[55:42] course the software providers to to
[55:44] provide best results that's the few
[55:49] information I wanted to give on the
[55:50] technology side looking at applications
[55:52] of course there's a huge number of
[55:57] different applications I focused on the
[55:59] ones that we are mainly involved in so
[56:02] phase ID gesture recognition 3d sensing
[56:05] something we are highly involved in
[56:07] distant scenting automation control
[56:09] lidar
[56:11] so it's both automotive as well as
[56:13] industrial lie down and robotics in that
[56:16] case drive monitoring collision
[56:19] avoidance heating systems very different
[56:22] application but also a very interesting
[56:24] and a few designs mentioned here that we
[56:27] have already taken into mass production
[56:28] whirring production is illumination for
[56:31] driver monitoring cameras light sources
[56:33] for 260 270 degree time of light camera
[56:37] system and flat light emulation for 3d
[56:40] sensing which I showed before in a
[56:44] picture yes few words about table who is
[56:48] no.1 tables quite a lot cooperation it
[56:51] was 25 billion US dollar revenue we are
[56:54] taking components and suppose empties
[56:57] into system level and take them into
[56:59] volume production to serve customers
[57:02] worldwide thank you very much ok thank
[57:08] you very much Simon so and now maybe you
[57:11] can summarize say in what they what are
[57:13] the challenges that you want to are
[57:16] proposing through this company so have
[57:19] this companies come the challenges are
[57:22] many fault talking about the the vector
[57:26] itself or call of course the
[57:27] customization in terms of wavelength and
[57:30] power so we are also looking at higher
[57:34] wavelength is like 12 1300 nanometers
[57:37] while maintaining a good portion of
[57:39] power on that side and also the software
[57:43] parts not the software part for optical
[57:47] optical design at the software part on
[57:50] the system level that's something that
[57:52] we we tend to cooperate with and so you
[58:03] a second question you might have is that
[58:06] even though Jabil is is focused on the
[58:10] high-volume we see that the photonics
[58:14] market is highly fragmented so there are
[58:15] a lot of small companies a lot of many
[58:17] companies in niche applications we have
[58:22] capabilities here in Germany and Jana to
[58:25] incubate such kind of business
[58:29] prototyping low volume SEM the
[58:33] capability to incubate until it's ready
[58:36] for for mass adoption volume production
[58:39] adoption so that's something that is
[58:41] maybe interested for for the guys
[58:43] attending today so Jaber don't be scared
[58:46] of the size we can also look into
[58:49] smaller volumes high mix but of course
[58:52] there needs to be a a good outlook a
[58:54] good business case for for higher volume
[59:00] first of all from sonic yes hello Simon
[59:05] you are looking for cooperation or
[59:08] support and optical design which kind of
[59:13] lens material do you consider so if that
[59:18] impression has been made that we are
[59:20] looking for cooperation on optical
[59:22] design we are very well set we are able
[59:24] optics and in that field so we have a
[59:25] lot of design capabilities in-house we
[59:29] we have a few partners that we work with
[59:32] but this is not a key area but your
[59:35] question is we basically handle glass
[59:39] polymers so we are independent from the
[59:42] optical material we can handle all of it
[59:45] and we are actually highly involved in
[59:50] all of our designs to work with
[59:51] innovative materials ok some and then I
[59:53] will come back to you with our X X M
[59:56] grades some o plastic grades which can
[01:00:00] even be used in reflow soldering okay
[01:00:03] yeah very interesting alternative okay
[01:00:07] let's make sure that I make the
[01:00:09] introduction after the meeting and
[01:00:11] you're from nano scribe you have another
[01:00:13] question right as a building space is
[01:00:17] getting smaller is the angle out of the
[01:00:20] do a year something which is critical
[01:00:23] for you reduced angle or cingulate since
[01:00:26] things like this for the moment we feel
[01:00:29] that this is a manageable task but since
[01:00:32] the system size has continued to be
[01:00:34] decreased decreasing scalar that might
[01:00:37] become an issue so if you have ideas and
[01:00:40] input from them on that site it would be
[01:00:41] interesting I think we have already
[01:00:44] exchanged cards last time I'm not sure
[01:00:46] at Tyrian or in Sony so I'll get back to
[01:00:49] you okay no I was at area where stem
[01:00:57] from a Nikolas from a university this is
[01:01:02] me yeah I had a question concerning your
[01:01:03] your choice for laser you mentioned
[01:01:06] somewhere that you consider narrow
[01:01:08] spectral line weights and I was
[01:01:10] wondering what typical line weights or
[01:01:13] frequency noise you you need for your
[01:01:15] applications that's a very good question
[01:01:17] but I need to answer that in a separate
[01:01:21] chat this is subject to some limitations
[01:01:24] at what I can reveal here okay yeah but
[01:01:26] so so far we have been satisfied with
[01:01:29] what is available from companies like
[01:01:31] 2/6 and other vendors but there's a
[01:01:35] trend to look into this in more detail
[01:01:37] ok maybe I'd be happy to have any
[01:01:40] interaction with you here and always
[01:01:41] we're setting up a new research lab
[01:01:43] actually focusing on narrow language
[01:01:45] semiconductor lasers ok I think the way
[01:01:49] is always through Jose okay here's all
[01:01:52] the contact data's nice to meet you by
[01:01:55] the way ok and we found out the wisdom
[01:02:01] from
[01:02:01] EB group a marketing hello everybody and
[01:02:08] presentation I was wondering and York
[01:02:11] started already this question also a bit
[01:02:13] about the contract requirements we come
[01:02:16] from the wafer level manufacturing and a
[01:02:18] lot of lens molding and wafer level
[01:02:21] assembly and we see here big breath for
[01:02:23] the new technologies however when I look
[01:02:25] at the design you showed it was it
[01:02:28] seemed to be bigger and more assembly is
[01:02:32] correct
[01:02:35] the the designer showed is of course a
[01:02:37] little aged the latest won't be of
[01:02:40] developed I cannot show you here but of
[01:02:43] course there's always the desire to
[01:02:45] decrease the size and wafer level
[01:02:47] technologies and all in all respect of
[01:02:50] importance to us so please feel free I
[01:02:52] think from one of the previous meetings
[01:02:55] I had a brief look at your website but
[01:02:57] it would be great to talk a detail what
[01:02:59] your yes we can talk about this and give
[01:03:05] you my contact thank you thank you okay
[01:03:09] very nice so let's move forward with the
[01:03:11] next presentation so it's my pleasure to
[01:03:13] introduce you a mini Mary heaps a
[01:03:16] brunette CEO at vixa so many I will be
[01:03:21] sharing now this is the first time that
[01:03:24] I share ok so I will be sharing your
[01:03:27] presentation ok thank you ok yes tell me
[01:03:35] when I have to change the baby
[01:03:37] all right well great thank you very much
[01:03:39] for organizing way for us to meet
[01:03:43] together even in these times Vic's are
[01:03:47] is a subsidiary of Osram and we make a
[01:03:51] range of excells that go from the red
[01:03:55] around 660 nanometers up to 980 we also
[01:03:59] have a single mode single mixels up to a
[01:04:04] large race of multi mode devices and so
[01:04:07] today I'm going to focus on Vic's
[01:04:09] illumination for 3d sensing and in
[01:04:12] particular I'm going to talk about the
[01:04:14] time-of-flight
[01:04:14] applications so the next slide please
[01:04:18] so everyone's aware that you know mixels
[01:04:22] were first incorporated into mobile
[01:04:24] phones by Apple and there
[01:04:26] approach was to use a structured light
[01:04:29] approach in more recently time-of-flight
[01:04:34] has been adapted you know particularly
[01:04:36] in some of the Android platforms like
[01:04:38] Huawei and Samsung and Julian provided a
[01:04:43] nice overview of what the requirements
[01:04:46] are some of the applications are
[01:04:50] starting to propagate into other areas
[01:04:53] so for example in the consumer market
[01:04:56] there's interest in putting 3d sensing
[01:04:59] into AR and VR systems to be able to add
[01:05:02] sort of situational awareness in the
[01:05:06] industrial market 3d imaging is being
[01:05:10] used in things like autonomous delivery
[01:05:16] vehicles robots in warehouses and drones
[01:05:21] and also in sensors for safety systems
[01:05:26] and there's also now design activities
[01:05:29] going on to put 3d sensors into the
[01:05:34] automotive both in the interior where
[01:05:36] they're being used for things like
[01:05:39] occupancy sensing driver monitoring
[01:05:41] gesture recognition as well as the
[01:05:44] exterior and you know that's more the
[01:05:47] lidar regime where the distances that
[01:05:52] one is trying to sense are much larger
[01:05:54] but there's a whole range and the
[01:05:56] exterior from things kind of around the
[01:05:59] car to long distances in front or in
[01:06:04] back and so as we summarized before in
[01:06:08] the consumer market you know it's really
[01:06:10] power consumption and size that are
[01:06:13] critical when you get to the longer
[01:06:16] distances now the need is not so much
[01:06:19] for size but rather for very high peak
[01:06:22] power and minimizing the drag current so
[01:06:26] the next slide please so I'm going to
[01:06:30] focus on a couple of things that
[01:06:32] advances that have occurred over the
[01:06:35] past year in the time of flight 3d
[01:06:37] sensing on the left side
[01:06:40] is more of a consumer solution where the
[01:06:43] size is is key and one of the
[01:06:46] developments has been to make integrated
[01:06:49] illumination modules that incorporate
[01:06:52] multiple different features so of course
[01:06:56] it has the VIX 'l a high-efficiency
[01:07:00] Mixel but driver chip is now being
[01:07:03] incorporated into the same module and
[01:07:05] that not only helps reduce the footprint
[01:07:09] of the solution but it also reduces the
[01:07:13] inductance that you have between the
[01:07:15] driver and the Vixen and so in the
[01:07:20] module integrated module that's been
[01:07:22] developed by osram
[01:07:25] rise times actually substantially less
[01:07:28] than five hundred picoseconds have been
[01:07:29] demonstrated I think we've seen two
[01:07:31] hundred picosecond rise times but I
[01:07:34] safety has come up previously in this
[01:07:37] meeting and so to address that what's
[01:07:40] incorporated into the module is also a
[01:07:42] photodetector
[01:07:43] for being able to monitor the output
[01:07:45] power as well as an interlock that would
[01:07:48] measure or would detect if for instance
[01:07:51] the lid were to fall off of the the
[01:07:54] module and of course there's a diffuser
[01:07:57] or an optic element in the lid that
[01:07:59] creates the desired field of view and so
[01:08:02] these are being shipped now in some
[01:08:07] android-based phones in significant
[01:08:12] volumes another development over the
[01:08:16] past year has been in a multi Junction
[01:08:18] pixel and this has really got benefits
[01:08:21] across the board of the applications but
[01:08:24] it's particularly useful at the light
[01:08:26] our end of the time of flight range
[01:08:28] where you need a lot of power and this
[01:08:31] is not a new idea people have talked
[01:08:33] about this for a long time but it can be
[01:08:36] difficult to implement and so some we
[01:08:39] have some recent results that are very
[01:08:43] promising the Vixen is pretty close to
[01:08:48] standard of course it has a top mirror
[01:08:50] and a bottom mirror and an active region
[01:08:51] in between
[01:08:53] the difference is that there are instead
[01:08:56] of a single PN Junction there are
[01:08:58] multiple forward bias PN junctions to
[01:09:01] sort of multiply the amount of output
[01:09:03] power that one can achieve and in
[01:09:05] between the forward bias junctions you
[01:09:08] need tunnel junctions which are now
[01:09:12] reverse biased and because of the high
[01:09:14] doping in those tunnel junctions you can
[01:09:18] they have a very low breakdown voltage
[01:09:21] and so you can get current passing
[01:09:25] through those with in a way that looks
[01:09:27] almost ohmic so if you could go to the
[01:09:31] the next slide so here are some results
[01:09:39] from some multi Junction mixels across
[01:09:42] the top we have the performance
[01:09:45] attributes comparison of a single
[01:09:48] Junction three junctions and five
[01:09:50] junctions so on the left is plotted
[01:09:53] output power versus current and you can
[01:09:57] see that you really do multiply for a
[01:09:59] given current you really do multiply the
[01:10:01] output power in fact it's it's basically
[01:10:03] proportional to the number of junctions
[01:10:05] in the device so for example at 8
[01:10:09] milliamps for a single junction you see
[01:10:11] maybe seven or eight milliwatts of
[01:10:15] output power at a five Junction device
[01:10:17] that's up to 35 milliwatts but of course
[01:10:20] it has to come in a cost you've added
[01:10:23] additional junctions in your device and
[01:10:25] so that adds voltage but we also see an
[01:10:29] overall power power conversion
[01:10:32] efficiency advantage from the structure
[01:10:34] and we have seen in excess of 16% six
[01:10:42] zero electrical to optical power
[01:10:47] conversion from the structures now the
[01:10:49] data on the top is from a single pixel
[01:10:52] that is tested CW at room temperature
[01:10:57] one can then take this kind of structure
[01:11:00] and put it into an array just like you
[01:11:02] can with a single Junction
[01:11:04] and the data on the bottom shows the
[01:11:06] kind of pulse performance that has been
[01:11:10] achieved so it's a chip that's 940
[01:11:13] nanometer slightly less than a
[01:11:15] millimeter square pulsed with 3.6
[01:11:20] nanosecond pulses at 0.1 percent duty
[01:11:23] cycle and from this chip we've seen peak
[01:11:26] powers of this is a triple Junction peak
[01:11:29] powers of 147 watts for a 64 amp peak
[01:11:35] current and given the active area that's
[01:11:39] about the equivalent of 281 watts per
[01:11:43] square millimeter so this starts to get
[01:11:46] us into the range that becomes
[01:11:47] interesting for lighter and external
[01:11:50] sensing in automotive so you know this
[01:11:54] is just kind of a summary of how the
[01:11:56] applications are driving innovation in
[01:11:58] the pixel area right now thanks thank
[01:12:07] you very much Mary sorry we having the
[01:12:08] same to me as to heaven to York I
[01:12:10] couldn't find the button I got too
[01:12:11] excited with your presentation meeting
[01:12:13] you last year and also getting pledges
[01:12:15] to know you better in the interview that
[01:12:17] was that was come with the highlights
[01:12:18] 2019 and you are already an expert when
[01:12:22] we are already already an expert on the
[01:12:24] epic community so what can you do for
[01:12:26] them what can they do for you well as
[01:12:31] Julian said we are always happy to
[01:12:33] provide missiles to people yeah and and
[01:12:41] kind of responding to shabal you know
[01:12:44] there are cases where we're certainly
[01:12:46] open to doing consistent designs but it
[01:12:51] has to be a good business case you know
[01:12:54] it either needs to be some high-value
[01:12:56] product product or a high-volume I think
[01:13:01] in the area that I talked about you know
[01:13:05] the high pulse power for lighter there's
[01:13:08] a real need for testing you know it
[01:13:10] would be nice if there were some turnkey
[01:13:13] flexible testing systems for doing this
[01:13:16] pulse testing
[01:13:19] you know I get annoyed seems like every
[01:13:23] time we have a different combination of
[01:13:25] pulse-width and current somebody needs a
[01:13:28] new pulse generator has to buy a new one
[01:13:33] optics continues to be you know a
[01:13:35] challenge for these integrated modules
[01:13:40] you know we need high performance we
[01:13:43] need high temperature you know the
[01:13:46] ability for the optics to survive a
[01:13:48] solder reflow but of course we want it
[01:13:50] to cost nothing at the same time Mary
[01:13:55] didn't you don't know what you just did
[01:13:57] did you ask for a challenge to help you
[01:13:59] with the testing and to help you with
[01:14:00] the Micra of things be ready for the
[01:14:02] amount of introductions I'm about to
[01:14:04] make but we have a few questions here
[01:14:06] now we have one from my friend Julian
[01:14:07] Julian was your question my question is
[01:14:11] do you see that the stacked active
[01:14:14] regions where the turn injunction is
[01:14:15] better suited for D to F than for 804
[01:14:17] you think it's across the board that
[01:14:18] it's applicable it certainly is very
[01:14:22] beneficial for D tough but I think we
[01:14:26] see some advantages for itopf as well
[01:14:30] you know you can get more power out of a
[01:14:33] smaller area it's you know also a lower
[01:14:39] current can help to reduce the size of
[01:14:41] the driver that's required the only
[01:14:45] issue is that often in consumer systems
[01:14:48] you have a limit on the voltage that you
[01:14:50] can use so it may limit you to two
[01:14:54] junctions or maybe three we have a
[01:14:58] further question we go to Texas
[01:15:00] Instruments vendian fine thank you very
[01:15:02] much for joining this afternoon this is
[01:15:04] your first ever epic meeting on pixels
[01:15:06] quad zero question so my question is
[01:15:09] about the thermal performance and also
[01:15:14] the reliability performance yeah is
[01:15:17] there any reliability data or concern
[01:15:23] here because here we have Marty
[01:15:27] junctions in the wicks all
[01:15:32] so again the the key as someone earlier
[01:15:38] mentioned one of the advantages of using
[01:15:41] the multi Junction and direct Tov is
[01:15:43] that you can minimize not completely
[01:15:47] eliminate but minimize the thermal
[01:15:49] effects you know here your average power
[01:15:52] dissipation is is is modest compared to
[01:15:57] the peak power we are doing you know in
[01:16:01] the middle of reliability evaluation or
[01:16:04] the qualification of these devices and
[01:16:06] so far we don't see any big issues with
[01:16:11] reliability I don't think we have data
[01:16:14] that we can share quite yes but you know
[01:16:16] we will when it's ready with any Bixel
[01:16:21] you know you always have to understand
[01:16:23] what are the limits of how far you can
[01:16:25] go there will always you know you can
[01:16:28] always best ever specify a range where
[01:16:30] the pixels will be very reliable but
[01:16:33] there's always a point where you pushed
[01:16:35] it too far and you will have gotten into
[01:16:37] a different failure regime and the
[01:16:40] devices will fail so you know I think
[01:16:43] what we're doing is pushing the limits
[01:16:46] of what peak power we can achieve with
[01:16:48] good reliability but we're understanding
[01:16:51] the trade-offs right now we have a
[01:16:53] further question all the way from
[01:16:56] STMicroelectronics do you have any plan
[01:16:58] to produce long wavelength pixels and by
[01:17:02] long wavelength he means more than 1
[01:17:03] micrometer yes it's also something that
[01:17:08] we're looking at you know I think
[01:17:14] actually that's that's an area where
[01:17:17] vixx art could also use some help which
[01:17:20] is to understand what the whole system
[01:17:23] looks like you know the question I have
[01:17:25] if you're talking about 3d sensing is
[01:17:30] well what is the camera how much does it
[01:17:33] cost
[01:17:34] you know and if you could do 3d sensing
[01:17:37] that long wavelength would the cost
[01:17:40] structure allow you to do it in consumer
[01:17:42] is it only going to be
[01:17:44] yes used in industrial or perhaps
[01:17:47] automotive you know I'm sure that the
[01:17:51] bixell says virtue loss is already shown
[01:17:53] us the Vixens can be done but it's the
[01:17:56] overall system you know what's the right
[01:17:59] system answer that I'm concerned about
[01:18:01] right now so I'm gonna introduce you to
[01:18:03] my friend from estimate electronics Eric
[01:18:05] methylated because he's very interested
[01:18:07] in this particular cooperation and we go
[01:18:10] to Sumitomo Sumitomo has a question you
[01:18:13] see Aki sang well how is the output
[01:18:15] power in CW mode multi-junction mixels I
[01:18:22] guess yes I kind of with all of these
[01:18:27] arrays you know I so do data actually
[01:18:29] for a single Vic cyl operated CW and
[01:18:34] there's you know well you saw the
[01:18:39] results but when you put them in an
[01:18:41] array there's always a thermal crosstalk
[01:18:44] issue that you're packing a lot of
[01:18:46] pixels and certainly CW the output power
[01:18:50] is much reduced in an array and I don't
[01:18:55] really think that that's the ideal way
[01:18:57] to to operate the multi Junction pixels
[01:18:59] or the way that they really provides you
[01:19:01] a lot of benefit it's really when you
[01:19:02] need high peak power there's a benefit
[01:19:05] do we see you're going to be ready to
[01:19:09] see something very very very special the
[01:19:12] next presentation is from a company in
[01:19:14] the computer vision sector prophecy I
[01:19:16] went to visit them in Paris and I got
[01:19:18] goose bones with a demonstrator and the
[01:19:20] end goal is to give vision to the blind
[01:19:22] I think I raised expectations not even
[01:19:25] high enough for prophecy thank you very
[01:19:27] much Simone for being with us with us
[01:19:29] today
[01:19:29] tell us how prophecies gonna
[01:19:31] revolutionize the world and also tell us
[01:19:33] how the rest of us can help you do so
[01:19:35] the floor and the attention of everyone
[01:19:37] is yours thank you thank you very much
[01:19:40] sir can you hear me loud and clear
[01:19:42] good so let me share my presentation can
[01:19:49] you see the screen is coming is here
[01:19:54] okay
[01:19:56] so thank you very much for the
[01:19:59] introduction and thank you for
[01:20:00] everything has here with you
[01:20:03] we are not busy cell company so you may
[01:20:06] wonder why we are here and I'll try to
[01:20:08] explain the why now for those who
[01:20:12] doesn't know how prophecy is a company
[01:20:16] which is Airport or in Paris we design
[01:20:20] euro morphic sensors and the artificial
[01:20:23] intelligence algorithms with those
[01:20:25] sensors so a neuromorphic sensor what it
[01:20:30] is is also known maybe you heard about
[01:20:33] it as even by sensor and even basins are
[01:20:38] designed to mimic the human retina which
[01:20:41] means that every pixel in the sensor is
[01:20:44] independent and activates activate
[01:20:47] itself intelligently and the
[01:20:49] synchronously depending on the number of
[01:20:52] photons that are present in the scenes
[01:20:54] basically what triggers this pixel is a
[01:20:58] change in contrast or light light
[01:21:02] intensity so as you as you see here it
[01:21:06] is this sketch we have photo mean coming
[01:21:09] into a photo diodes and then we have
[01:21:11] basically a sort of a comparator and
[01:21:13] then you have a spikes only when there
[01:21:15] is a change in contrast the treasure is
[01:21:18] also updated so for example if your
[01:21:20] light follows these let's say friend you
[01:21:24] have spikes every time you have a
[01:21:26] relative change for example 50% in the
[01:21:30] light that it pixel the output of the of
[01:21:35] the sensor it is something like that
[01:21:37] looks like this takes picture so
[01:21:40] basically you don't see anything where
[01:21:42] there is no change while you see points
[01:21:47] or events where there is a change the
[01:21:50] change can be either positive or
[01:21:52] negative and we map that with a color so
[01:21:55] you see white and black and black dots
[01:21:59] as you may understand this is a way to
[01:22:02] mimic the the retina and basically it's
[01:22:05] a way to automatically extract what is
[01:22:07] relevant in the scene obviously
[01:22:10] if you are interested in looking at
[01:22:12] something that change over time because
[01:22:14] if everything is static then there is no
[01:22:16] point there are other benefits the pixel
[01:22:21] are very fast so our time resolution
[01:22:23] goes down to one microsecond we don't
[01:22:26] have any more exposure time and we don't
[01:22:30] have a frame rate so basically we are
[01:22:33] not blind in between the two the two
[01:22:35] frames also by construction the pixel
[01:22:38] are allows for a very high dynamic range
[01:22:42] one of more than 128 dB
[01:22:45] and we tested the low-light performance
[01:22:47] see the low-light cut off is at around
[01:22:50] 0.4 0.7 mini lux
[01:22:54] like I said since we are basically
[01:22:57] extracting only what is relevant in the
[01:23:00] in the scenes we also generate less data
[01:23:03] than a standard frame based sensor so
[01:23:07] why are we presenting this in this
[01:23:11] webinar
[01:23:11] basically because there are many
[01:23:13] applications for this technology but if
[01:23:15] you combine these meta vision sensor
[01:23:18] with a Bissel projector here you come to
[01:23:22] play we can basically realize a novel
[01:23:26] structured light 3d 3d sensor the
[01:23:31] application so we switch to the
[01:23:32] neuromorphic sensing in this case
[01:23:35] basically I precision that sensing which
[01:23:38] is also very fast roughly 50 50 X faster
[01:23:42] than a standard frame structure light
[01:23:45] frame based system or time-of-flight
[01:23:49] this has many applications we already
[01:23:52] seen in other presentation for example
[01:23:55] nowadays the biometry to unlock the
[01:24:00] phones or for for payments
[01:24:03] so from faces camera we can also imagine
[01:24:06] in your future to have virtual chat room
[01:24:08] so not only video like this but we have
[01:24:11] a 3d presence in the in the room we can
[01:24:17] use these to do just control but also to
[01:24:19] to do 3d awareness or if you want long
[01:24:23] right
[01:24:24] medium-range 3d reconstruction that can
[01:24:27] be used by robots or appliances in the
[01:24:30] Indian navigate or to recognize to
[01:24:34] recognize you
[01:24:36] so in these dislikes you see few example
[01:24:39] of the output of our sensor the top left
[01:24:43] is a 3d reconstruction of face a
[01:24:48] colleague face actually we've a mask
[01:24:51] because we are compliant with the copied
[01:24:53] regulations you can also see a an
[01:24:56] example of 3d reconstruction of a marble
[01:24:59] circuit you can notice the details that
[01:25:02] we were able to capture unfortunately we
[01:25:05] were not allowed to put video but it is
[01:25:07] also nice because this basically game
[01:25:10] has balls that flows at a certain speed
[01:25:13] around and we can follow them a
[01:25:15] real-time I also want to point out that
[01:25:19] the output of the despite the fact that
[01:25:21] even raisins are not standard the output
[01:25:25] of the structure light even base is
[01:25:27] actually a standard 3d point of cloud
[01:25:30] and here in the bottom you see are a
[01:25:32] construction using kinetic fusion so we
[01:25:36] took our output and we plugged in into
[01:25:38] an existing software and it basically
[01:25:40] plug in play so why we want to target
[01:25:45] let's say this dissolution this
[01:25:47] application basically because we think
[01:25:51] we can break trade off between the
[01:25:52] exposure time the accuracy and the
[01:25:54] robustness that is basically present in
[01:25:56] all the 3d system either stereo active
[01:26:00] or passive time of flight and standard
[01:26:03] circuit light we've we frame based I'm
[01:26:07] not going into the details on how we do
[01:26:09] it because this is proprietary but if
[01:26:13] you are interested you can definitely
[01:26:15] get in contact with me we can sign an
[01:26:17] NDA and we can show you everything but
[01:26:20] the basic concept is that like in
[01:26:23] structured light we project a pattern so
[01:26:25] there is a triangulation like was shown
[01:26:27] to of representation before but the
[01:26:30] pattern is not in this case is not
[01:26:32] static the pattern is is modulated in
[01:26:35] time pattern and
[01:26:37] to the fact that we are very good in
[01:26:39] actually what is moving in time we can
[01:26:41] recognize this pattern and from these we
[01:26:43] can reconstruct the we can triangulate
[01:26:46] that I constructed the the treaty today
[01:26:50] we can offer basically state-of-the-art
[01:26:53] accuracy with respect to a structure
[01:26:56] light system and if you are familiar
[01:26:59] with 3d system you know that is
[01:27:00] structure light for a short-range it's
[01:27:04] one of the best in term of accuracy we
[01:27:07] can speed up the acquisition time by 50x
[01:27:11] typically we can we can go to 1
[01:27:14] millisecond for the full 3d point of
[01:27:16] cloud we can reduce a lot the software
[01:27:19] complexity because we don't have to
[01:27:21] match the pattern in a post process mode
[01:27:24] ideally we can match basically the ideas
[01:27:28] of this pattern inside the sensor
[01:27:32] directly there is no motion blur when we
[01:27:35] capture the 3d scene because we are it's
[01:27:37] very fast in the acquisition and we can
[01:27:42] also be compatible with outdoor if we
[01:27:45] use very fast pulses with a power while
[01:27:48] the energy still be compatible with
[01:27:50] devices so why were year we are here
[01:27:56] because we do design sensor and we
[01:27:59] produce the algorithm what we don't do
[01:28:01] and we are not expert is in BC cell so I
[01:28:04] thought it was a nice idea to present in
[01:28:07] these in this webinar and thanks for
[01:28:10] letting us present we want to we are
[01:28:14] looking for a partner or or a supplier
[01:28:17] or we she said that are relatively high
[01:28:19] power we don't need one other 40 watts
[01:28:22] we fast all C's in the order of micro
[01:28:25] second and we have a wave line that is
[01:28:27] indeed 940 nanometer space and with
[01:28:34] these that situm available for all the
[01:28:38] questions you may want to ask ok thank
[01:28:41] you very much Simone so ok you already
[01:28:43] say they well what do you need from this
[01:28:46] a company
[01:28:47] and we have a question see here a Simon
[01:28:52] from hevene do you cop a question as I
[01:28:55] do it's actually two questions and
[01:28:57] what's the sense of size okay
[01:29:02] the this okay depends on the generation
[01:29:04] the latest we have it has been published
[01:29:07] this year at the is SCC and the size is
[01:29:10] 1 million pixel for less than 1/2 inch
[01:29:15] okay and second question is let's say
[01:29:20] the level of maturity is this already a
[01:29:23] mass production of the sheriff device
[01:29:26] available or is it still under
[01:29:28] development where are you on that this
[01:29:32] is a good question we we actually have
[01:29:34] four generations of the sensor the
[01:29:37] generation three which is a VGA bigger
[01:29:40] much bigger
[01:29:41] it's a 2/3 of inch 3/4 inch to be
[01:29:45] precise this is available and in mass
[01:29:49] production so you can order it in
[01:29:52] quantity the generation four which is
[01:29:54] the one we were using for structure
[01:29:55] light and million pixels the most
[01:29:57] advanced we have we develop it in
[01:30:01] collaboration with Sony then one we have
[01:30:04] is the engineering sample actually the
[01:30:09] past chip the engineering sample will be
[01:30:10] a pebble and of this year it will be
[01:30:14] available also in small quantity the
[01:30:17] mass production is foreseen to happen
[01:30:19] end of 2021 okay thank you okay thank
[01:30:26] you and when very nice that you do rise
[01:30:28] the question of the well the topic of
[01:30:31] the going to large volumes because we
[01:30:34] have a here in the room a few of the
[01:30:36] most important information company so
[01:30:40] maybe the vs from I shall take maybe
[01:30:44] it's a good moment for for you to just
[01:30:46] playing what are the capabilities of him
[01:30:48] your company and what are you looking
[01:30:50] this a what are you looking following
[01:30:52] this meeting the vs we are here right
[01:30:57] yes I have
[01:30:59] thank you thanks Anna I needed to unmute
[01:31:02] myself yeah I think that was a very very
[01:31:04] interesting presentation and to me
[01:31:07] honestly speaking very new so highly
[01:31:10] interesting yes that we are just as Anna
[01:31:13] said an automation company from Aten and
[01:31:17] and we have a very flexible and
[01:31:19] open-source assembly machine platform
[01:31:23] which you can use to implement all kinds
[01:31:26] of new sensors for active alignment
[01:31:28] basically ultra precision alignment of
[01:31:30] optical systems and additionally we
[01:31:36] offer a combined business models so
[01:31:38] basically the yeah the job shop
[01:31:41] manufacturing prototyping and at the end
[01:31:44] of the day also of course volume
[01:31:46] production equipment and so whenever
[01:31:48] there's a new challenge some new system
[01:31:51] needs to be assembled you don't really
[01:31:53] know yet which senses to use how the
[01:31:55] metrology system looks like that would
[01:31:58] be something we can help with and we're
[01:32:01] very happy to to do so
[01:32:03] so serving all kinds of different
[01:32:05] markets and yet to me this is like
[01:32:08] looking what's happening in the European
[01:32:12] photonic market so this is another great
[01:32:14] meeting and I've seen a lot of very
[01:32:16] interesting things thanks a lot thank
[01:32:19] you yes and when I'm also talking about
[01:32:21] automation we have here my detail from a
[01:32:24] totally automation they have developing
[01:32:26] and super good technology maybe Mumbi
[01:32:29] say would you like to explain a little
[01:32:31] bit about this yes hi thank you for
[01:32:35] coming
[01:32:37] yes we actually buy new on the market
[01:32:40] what we do is that we are able to do
[01:32:43] some of the potential operation for
[01:32:45] instance by ejections of a massive tape
[01:32:47] without touching the part so we have a
[01:32:50] combination of forces that allows to
[01:32:52] levitate the component underneath the
[01:32:55] tip of the tools so we can do machines
[01:32:58] that are actually able to pick up sort
[01:33:00] them region visual inspection the
[01:33:04] components but every time you don't
[01:33:06] touch the front surface so if you
[01:33:07] something very delicate like your
[01:33:09] application that might be viable
[01:33:13] okay thank you very much and then we
[01:33:16] have okay well I saw that we have a
[01:33:20] question from dunya a boggart a26 but
[01:33:23] well maybe you can make the question on
[01:33:25] any weighted phones or people in YouTube
[01:33:26] would be interested as well I was asking
[01:33:29] what was the pixel size and actually I
[01:33:30] just realized as well with the idea that
[01:33:32] was described it sounds to me like the
[01:33:34] pixel array you're looking for this to
[01:33:35] be individually addressable is that
[01:33:37] correct yes yes I know we need the
[01:33:44] portion of the array to be activated so
[01:33:47] not the fool right a little bit at the
[01:33:49] same time the exact strategies contact
[01:33:53] me in private I had a lack of contact in
[01:33:58] your private and I've been amazed with
[01:34:00] the kind of things you can do also
[01:34:01] amazed with the kind of things that
[01:34:02] touch less automation can do did you
[01:34:04] hear right it can actually levitate
[01:34:06] micro optics become place without
[01:34:08] touching is frankly amazing looks like
[01:34:10] magic but Simone I have a question from
[01:34:13] digital universe a STMicroelectronics
[01:34:16] one of your future customers believe me
[01:34:17] it's your 3d sensor system i-safe we
[01:34:22] want to be AI safe definitely yes so the
[01:34:26] combination of power and short length of
[01:34:30] the pulse we will need to be in DI safe
[01:34:33] region yes
[01:34:35] back to you enough comments okay so
[01:34:49] let's move ahead in the program may I
[01:34:51] have the great pleasure to introduce you
[01:34:53] Ignacio Pearson Terry from ficon Tech so
[01:34:57] Jess Ignatieff do you want you can share
[01:34:59] your screen you are there right I don't
[01:35:07] really see yeah very good if you can go
[01:35:12] to presentation mode do you have it now
[01:35:27] yes perfect well thank you for
[01:35:32] introducing me Anna
[01:35:33] and with afternoon everyone it's a
[01:35:36] pleasure meeting you again this is my
[01:35:38] first time in the last 10 years so that
[01:35:40] had not been traveling for three months
[01:35:43] and I'm still stuck in Milan so kind of
[01:35:46] a war zone area so very soon I guess I
[01:35:49] will resume some traveling so thank you
[01:35:51] for inviting me
[01:35:52] we've been listening to a lot of stories
[01:35:56] of beautiful devices and again I will be
[01:35:59] talking about automation and
[01:36:04] specifically about automating automating
[01:36:07] testing so I have only six minutes so I
[01:36:11] need to go pretty fast let's get going
[01:36:14] and if you wonder what the little red
[01:36:16] devil is doing in the picture of the of
[01:36:19] the pixel just query me after the
[01:36:23] presentation so about the company I
[01:36:26] think I will not really waste a match of
[01:36:29] time we are better known for assembly
[01:36:34] then testing but we do also a quite a
[01:36:37] amount of testing and the only remark
[01:36:41] about this picture is that my title has
[01:36:44] changed and the director of business
[01:36:47] development that have become a very
[01:36:50] recently principal of photonics testing
[01:36:52] is a kind of app they say a prayer time
[01:36:55] and gift of my CEO to allow me to do a
[01:36:58] bit of engineering as well as business
[01:37:00] so let's move on so the the topic of
[01:37:05] today was actually was actually designed
[01:37:10] fabrication and packaging so I did not
[01:37:13] really bother or say but I think it
[01:37:15] missed testing there and if we talk
[01:37:18] about a volume application then we need
[01:37:22] to talk about wafer level testing and
[01:37:25] high-volume testing Vixens are used in
[01:37:29] many different applications
[01:37:30] I nearly take too far apart for size and
[01:37:34] maybe current one is a data pump telecom
[01:37:38] Vic says that on 250 micron teach the
[01:37:42] other one is is a module for multi
[01:37:46] domination so a cluster of I power
[01:37:48] mixers and there are many many more
[01:37:51] application in between so talking
[01:37:54] talking about about testing if you
[01:37:57] consider that now we can get and you can
[01:38:00] get six inch a gallium arsenide wafer
[01:38:03] with the 250 micron pitch you're talking
[01:38:07] about a quarter of a million pixel pair
[01:38:10] whether quite daunting number and cost
[01:38:14] and speed become of course a major a
[01:38:18] major issue in in the computer business
[01:38:22] of a big seller so and testing what well
[01:38:28] differentiating between R&D and and in
[01:38:34] production testing in production isn't
[01:38:38] necessary healthier so you want to test
[01:38:41] as much as you want in R&D and as the
[01:38:45] the least that you need in production
[01:38:48] primarily you test energy and spectral
[01:38:51] properties but additionally may want to
[01:38:54] also delve into near Co the far field
[01:38:57] modulation burning and so forth so so
[01:39:04] lav and spectral measurement can be
[01:39:07] achieved now in few tens of milliseconds
[01:39:09] but if you want to move on reliably and
[01:39:12] actually and let's use the 20 50 micron
[01:39:15] pitch as an example then the mechanics
[01:39:18] takes a bit longer so if you consider
[01:39:21] one second for per pixel on a six inch
[01:39:27] wafer with the port of a medium devices
[01:39:29] you're talking about 70 hours pair
[01:39:33] weather so obviously that is not the way
[01:39:36] to go
[01:39:37] so the way to go is to go parallel and
[01:39:39] the free contact has been working now
[01:39:42] for a while or mortis
[01:39:45] optical electrical probate and so the
[01:39:49] solution adds the overall speed that you
[01:39:52] need remove some stress and extended the
[01:39:55] life of the lifetime of mechanical
[01:39:58] components and think also of the tips of
[01:40:01] the electrical probe part only typical
[01:40:06] semiconductor whatever problem one
[01:40:08] medium touchdown is a pretty good result
[01:40:11] but you have a reporter of a million
[01:40:14] obit cells you'll be replacing your your
[01:40:17] needle tips quite frequently unless you
[01:40:20] can reduce the number overall
[01:40:22] touchdown so beyond the intelligence
[01:40:29] fear we've been involved in a horizontal
[01:40:34] cavity edge emitting laser for quite a
[01:40:36] while like the single emitters of bars
[01:40:38] and typically we used an integrating
[01:40:41] sphere but these will not really fit
[01:40:44] very well for weather level scale
[01:40:46] testing however some some concern where
[01:40:52] they're in as reaching to fiber
[01:40:55] optic-based pickups we did some primary
[01:40:58] what I would call a preemptive strike
[01:41:01] with a Polytechnical of Milan my
[01:41:03] hometown and we have validated that you
[01:41:06] can really replace and calibrate it
[01:41:08] against its atmosphere for the
[01:41:11] implementation of the of the probates
[01:41:15] I've been discussing so so with the pro
[01:41:19] bed you go parallel but these are as an
[01:41:23] impact on instrumentation now if we move
[01:41:25] the problem to cost-effective
[01:41:28] instrumentation which means really
[01:41:29] modular instrumentation we'd be working
[01:41:33] on tix and you know pics and pixels are
[01:41:36] really two different games in the
[01:41:38] overall game of photonics testing but
[01:41:41] again we need a better and more modular
[01:41:45] instrumentation for photonics especially
[01:41:48] testing and my my apologies to Kitty
[01:41:53] Tektronix which also present because I'm
[01:41:56] only mentioning coherence
[01:41:58] some friends from New Zealand National
[01:42:00] Instruments from my past and of course
[01:42:02] at keysight so our goal is to offer
[01:42:06] fully integrated with our wafer level
[01:42:10] testing solution which means means
[01:42:13] mechanics probates instrumentation and
[01:42:16] of course the user configurable software
[01:42:19] that drives it and with this I think I'm
[01:42:23] stopping so I hope I erase an internist
[01:42:27] and of course I'm available for
[01:42:28] questions
[01:42:29] thanks again great amenity you always
[01:42:33] always raised a lot of interest you are
[01:42:36] an expert on epic culture and etic
[01:42:39] collaborations actually many of them
[01:42:41] started thanks to you
[01:42:43] what can you do for them what can they
[01:42:46] do for you well I think I was expecting
[01:42:49] your question because always the same
[01:42:51] get used to it so what we can do we can
[01:42:54] test your devices or rather we can build
[01:42:57] the machines to test your devices we are
[01:43:00] not going to test them ourselves you're
[01:43:02] going to give you first machine to test
[01:43:05] them what can you do for us
[01:43:07] well right now I'm trying to let's say
[01:43:10] optimize some of the ideas that go into
[01:43:13] the provide the mechanics is for us
[01:43:16] fairly simple we've been doing a
[01:43:18] precision mechanics for 20 years the
[01:43:21] instrumentation it's a matter of getting
[01:43:23] the interest of some vendors and
[01:43:25] optimizing the front-end what you can
[01:43:28] really do for us is to help us our mana
[01:43:30] is collected years and provide a supply
[01:43:35] chain for the probate because the
[01:43:38] probate needs to be adapted to different
[01:43:40] devices very much the same that happens
[01:43:43] in a conventional silicon conventional
[01:43:46] silicon when you get a new wafer you do
[01:43:49] a new tape layout you start thinking
[01:43:51] about probing so collect the information
[01:43:54] from from you will optimize our design
[01:43:57] our machines
[01:44:00] faster and more cost-effective
[01:44:02] you can be fantastic on that and there's
[01:44:04] so many collaboration starting with
[01:44:06] ficon tech in epic we have two questions
[01:44:08] the first one is from Jimmy Carr
[01:44:13] I have a question for you Ignacio
[01:44:15] germanium is we're making germanium
[01:44:17] semiconductor wafers and basically at
[01:44:19] this moment there's a there's invested
[01:44:22] there's some internal corporation going
[01:44:24] on I cannot go to details on trying to
[01:44:26] do faxes on on germanium and jamayne can
[01:44:28] be going to 8 inch and 12 inch basically
[01:44:31] yeah in comparison to gallium arsenide
[01:44:34] it's relatively easily of course you
[01:44:36] have to look at the whole supply chain
[01:44:37] and and also the testing is an important
[01:44:39] element would you be able to do eight
[01:44:41] inch testing and even going beyond that
[01:44:43] I think I think we can and in fact I've
[01:44:47] been mentioning 3/4 inch and sixteenths
[01:44:50] for VIP cells but for pigs
[01:44:52] we are already supplying machine for 8
[01:44:55] inch and 12 inch wafer so pigs and now
[01:44:59] it nowadays a really produced mostly on
[01:45:02] 12 inch of full-sized wafers I'd be
[01:45:05] interested to hear from you what are
[01:45:07] your specific needs on your Mac that's
[01:45:09] wonderful to hear
[01:45:10] thank you for the question we go to
[01:45:13] beautifully stood guard here we go to be
[01:45:15] on Hoffman from trust Michael take
[01:45:17] classic question first of all very
[01:45:20] interesting talk so you are doing great
[01:45:24] great job my question is do you also
[01:45:28] build systems for reliability tests on
[01:45:32] wafer level so like like run an HT or
[01:45:36] similar well I should answered no but
[01:45:41] I'd be interested to hear more because
[01:45:44] actually a lot of the technology we use
[01:45:46] will be when you talk about burning are
[01:45:49] you talking about with with a level
[01:45:51] burning or large scale I mean on single
[01:45:55] iffy devices
[01:45:56] burning is reasonably straightforward
[01:45:58] where it comes like where the problem
[01:46:01] will arise is when the number of devices
[01:46:05] will go up go up in numbers then they
[01:46:08] the major issue is power dissipation how
[01:46:11] do you evacuate the power you are
[01:46:13] applying to the full dutiful design so I
[01:46:16] don't really want to discuss file there
[01:46:18] because I think we'd be running out of
[01:46:21] time but I'll really be interested to
[01:46:24] address your
[01:46:25] separately thank you for asking if you
[01:46:30] don't know each other you definitely
[01:46:31] need to collaborate rough Microtech is
[01:46:33] going on for key members in testing you
[01:46:35] will see his presentation later a we go
[01:46:37] to Stephanie blackout from plasma
[01:46:39] technology what is your question sorry I
[01:46:46] had to omit so thank you so thank you
[01:46:49] for a great talk
[01:46:50] my question is really far away for level
[01:46:53] testing so not sure you whether you
[01:46:57] could answer that I'm guessing that with
[01:47:00] time has the manufacturing process
[01:47:02] materials and the yield improve we can
[01:47:06] expect that vessel manufactures might
[01:47:09] not be checking the full area of the
[01:47:12] wafer and instead of doing under percent
[01:47:14] testing they might shift 90 to 80 or to
[01:47:17] 70% testing so could you maybe share
[01:47:21] whether you've seen a trend towards the
[01:47:23] reduction of that testing facilities on
[01:47:26] the wafer level yes I can I can comment
[01:47:29] right now my real Mariella headache is
[01:47:33] to test efficiently under percent
[01:47:35] Christian from their class was
[01:47:38] mentioning 40 vixens on a fairly complex
[01:47:42] a transceiver being designed and built
[01:47:44] by vtt for this type of application the
[01:47:48] under person testing today is definitely
[01:47:52] a must that is what is required from us
[01:47:54] if in the sort of a volume process we'll
[01:47:59] be able to remove some of the testing
[01:48:02] and number of tricks would then that
[01:48:05] means that we will relax a bit on the
[01:48:10] way we build the machine so for sure
[01:48:12] going from and the percent testing to
[01:48:16] reduce testing will certainly be a push
[01:48:19] from the manufacturer because as said
[01:48:22] before testing is necessary every row in
[01:48:26] the in the production so very good thank
[01:48:32] you very much and I'm going to listen to
[01:48:33] a few friends because today we talk
[01:48:35] about testing it was fantastic but they
[01:48:37] also going to talk a bit about the micro
[01:48:39] optics ray will
[01:48:39] that Europe is leaving and I'm gonna go
[01:48:41] to Denmark I'm gonna go to the company
[01:48:43] new technology
[01:48:45] thank you very much Alicia for being
[01:48:47] with us this afternoon who are you doing
[01:48:48] here I'm doing fine
[01:48:50] Alicia I want everyone in the room to
[01:48:52] know what Milt does in community I think
[01:48:54] that's possible I think so yeah we do
[01:48:58] advanced optics so we're experts in
[01:49:01] doing a diffractive optical elements or
[01:49:04] metal structures we can do this time we
[01:49:07] can do the mastering and also the
[01:49:09] replication and prototyping thank you
[01:49:13] very much it is grown with the key
[01:49:14] partners that you have in Europe and I
[01:49:16] would like to remind you obviously we
[01:49:18] know huge my cropped extrav Ellucian
[01:49:20] with company like icon photonics like
[01:49:22] zeus micro optics like EVG you need
[01:49:24] micro optics in a free-form or flat
[01:49:26] don't go any further we had the best
[01:49:28] technologies here and with this I would
[01:49:31] like to go now to continue in the field
[01:49:33] of testing is one of the biggest
[01:49:35] challenge in the supply chain and today
[01:49:36] we're gonna solve it especially with the
[01:49:37] next two presentations we go first to or
[01:49:39] feel spiricon thank you very much Simon
[01:49:43] for being with us this afternoon tell us
[01:49:45] how the rest of supply chain can use you
[01:49:47] to test in volume production the floor
[01:49:49] is yours Thank You Jose thank you hello
[01:49:52] hello Ana hello Jose here everybody so
[01:49:55] I'm so glad to be here with you today
[01:49:57] it's been really nice afternoon and lots
[01:50:01] of interesting applications so my goal
[01:50:03] is today - shortly present you what we
[01:50:06] do and how can we help you and how can
[01:50:09] you help us so I will just share my
[01:50:13] screen I hope you see it crystal clear
[01:50:18] okay even better
[01:50:23] so in really shortly I would just like
[01:50:26] to to mention so the OFIR is part of the
[01:50:31] MKS instruments which is a global
[01:50:33] provider of instruments and process
[01:50:35] control solutions and no fear has been
[01:50:38] in laser measurement business for almost
[01:50:40] 45 years so the portfolio consists of
[01:50:44] the laser and LED measuring products so
[01:50:46] sensors in imaging but also like other
[01:50:49] high performance your visible optical
[01:50:51] elements
[01:50:52] so they're all free please replacement
[01:50:54] OEM quite a optics for ch2 or other high
[01:50:57] power fiber laser materials so in the
[01:50:59] laser world we have sensors from Penta
[01:51:02] watt 200 kilowatt lasers as well as
[01:51:04] centering can imaging and we are also
[01:51:08] being more and more involved in testing
[01:51:10] for mixels and the main important points
[01:51:13] that we want to address because we think
[01:51:18] that sensors the imaging is all sort of
[01:51:20] one of the main forces behind the search
[01:51:22] of their research and use of pixels and
[01:51:24] as the wix's are becoming more companies
[01:51:27] and powerful
[01:51:27] I think the key sticking points remains
[01:51:30] and these are eye safety the energy
[01:51:33] efficiency and of course optimal beam
[01:51:35] and power beam power and beam profiling
[01:51:39] so at all fear to stay we are saying
[01:51:44] that to stay within these safety limits
[01:51:45] for example for eye safety of course
[01:51:48] it's really needed to precisely
[01:51:50] determine the average power and post
[01:51:52] energy so in order to minimize the
[01:51:55] consumption those laser beam power the
[01:51:58] profile noise and everything all the
[01:52:02] other parameters has to be released
[01:52:03] tested to ensure that they strictly
[01:52:05] comply with all the specifications so
[01:52:08] how to choose the optimal technology for
[01:52:10] measuring the mixes that's the main
[01:52:13] question and I think it's important to
[01:52:15] understand the measurement business and
[01:52:17] principles we want to employ and of
[01:52:19] course the the boundary conditions that
[01:52:21] apply at testing and of course fixers
[01:52:25] are often operated in post mode and of
[01:52:28] course passive or scanning ops optics
[01:52:30] can be as well used so these are all the
[01:52:32] important factors contributing to the
[01:52:34] choice of the real measurement system so
[01:52:38] at all fair we for power measurement we
[01:52:40] are offering from interpreting spheres
[01:52:43] or with different wavelengths for all
[01:52:45] kind of from 600 to up to 1500 600 and
[01:52:50] of course also the special adapters can
[01:52:53] be used for wider wider beam angles so
[01:52:56] up to 60 50 degrees but we have also
[01:52:59] special gold-plated adapters for up to
[01:53:01] hundred 50 70 degrees beam angles of the
[01:53:05] lights or
[01:53:06] so the power ranges for integrating
[01:53:10] spheres they range from few microbots to
[01:53:12] 30 watts but of course we can also use
[01:53:15] the thermo-pile sensors or the vessels
[01:53:19] that could be used with also with flex
[01:53:21] spectral sensitivity so what I would
[01:53:26] like to mention that we are having also
[01:53:28] post characterization which I will talk
[01:53:31] more on the next slide next two slides
[01:53:33] and one other thing next to average
[01:53:38] powers and also the the the power energy
[01:53:42] also the beam form of the maxilla source
[01:53:46] is really important and I think this
[01:53:49] geometry of the beam is really essential
[01:53:52] to find out the best optimal solution we
[01:53:57] are actually looking for and here I
[01:53:59] would like to mention different options
[01:54:02] that we are hoping at over here so we
[01:54:04] are offering either near-field beam
[01:54:05] profiling so with a microscope lens we
[01:54:09] can actually get all the precise
[01:54:12] pictures of the vexos from close up and
[01:54:15] we offer also the far field beam
[01:54:18] profiling so either directly where the
[01:54:21] laser beam is directly pictured on the
[01:54:23] CCD camera or indirectly so this second
[01:54:27] type is specially used for vessels and
[01:54:29] we have a laser beam that is actually
[01:54:32] projected on some diffuser and with a
[01:54:34] special lens we can analyze the beam
[01:54:39] heading to the to the camera
[01:54:41] of course the beam size beam quality
[01:54:46] divergence in the real time and beam
[01:54:48] shape they're all equally important in
[01:54:51] the next slide I would like to mention
[01:54:53] our one of our latest solutions which is
[01:54:57] a small integrating sphere sensor which
[01:55:00] allows really multifunctional
[01:55:04] functionality because the three
[01:55:06] different measurements can be
[01:55:07] simultaneously performed so we can
[01:55:09] measure power we can detect the pulse
[01:55:13] shape so the characterization of the
[01:55:15] pull shapes with the past photo diodes
[01:55:17] and also the spectrometer can be
[01:55:19] easily connected to the system via SMA
[01:55:22] fiber adapter so we are really know it o
[01:55:27] fear that calibration and occurs you're
[01:55:29] the main points so we can really well
[01:55:32] calibrate the slow photodiode at
[01:55:36] attached to the sensor and with this one
[01:55:39] we allow to calibrate the fast photo
[01:55:42] diodes so with the design of the this
[01:55:45] 1.5 intereting sphere of course super
[01:55:49] fast rise and fall times can be achieved
[01:55:52] and sorry one too fast
[01:55:55] the the smaller so the quite larger part
[01:55:58] aperture of two centimeters also allow
[01:56:00] working at some distance and with this
[01:56:03] fear the divergent angles for the vex
[01:56:05] lasers up to sixty degrees can be can be
[01:56:08] well measured so what to eat what what
[01:56:14] do we offer it all fear what I would
[01:56:16] like to mention is that our range of
[01:56:19] measurement sensors goes from power
[01:56:21] measurements to fast pulse
[01:56:22] characterization up to beam profiling
[01:56:25] and the thing we are searching and
[01:56:29] looking for is we need actually we would
[01:56:33] like to have further input and feedback
[01:56:35] from you so from XO manufacturers the
[01:56:38] system integrators end-users so about
[01:56:40] the exact measurement requirements that
[01:56:43] you have and we will be interested to
[01:56:46] this strategic partner partnership to
[01:56:48] develop together the innovative
[01:56:50] solutions that that you need so and I
[01:56:53] think there are significant significant
[01:56:55] opportunities that require this
[01:56:58] cooperative efforts between us to find
[01:57:01] these appropriate solutions so that's
[01:57:04] all from my side here is my company beta
[01:57:06] and I will be really looking forward to
[01:57:08] hear more from all of you thank you okay
[01:57:12] thank you very much Simon very nice a
[01:57:14] representation so okay you already say
[01:57:16] hey what are you looking for but then
[01:57:19] that's elaborate the question a with
[01:57:22] which companies would you like to aim to
[01:57:25] have a follow-up a after after this
[01:57:28] meeting
[01:57:29] so yeah I think for us all kind of
[01:57:32] partners are really interesting either
[01:57:34] the system integrators either vessel
[01:57:37] manufacturers so they testing on the
[01:57:40] wafer level then testing on the system
[01:57:42] level and also testing for the end-user
[01:57:44] level when the wexel is already applied
[01:57:46] so all those three points for us we have
[01:57:48] quite some experience and a lot of
[01:57:51] experience in the laser world but in
[01:57:53] more divergent light sources as vessels
[01:57:55] I think there is a still much more to
[01:57:58] explore and to find out and here are we
[01:58:02] actually open for all part of the
[01:58:04] partners on that would like to to to
[01:58:09] need our also our help to help them and
[01:58:12] we would be actually more than welcome
[01:58:14] to cooperate but so let's explore it we
[01:58:18] have here we have a young me from
[01:58:21] Mellanox yeah we are you here from
[01:58:30] Mellanox
[01:58:33] okay maybe not I couldn't see him a just
[01:58:38] one second ago but I guess yeah we can
[01:58:42] do a meteor self okay okay now now you
[01:58:51] know a Joey maybe you can comment about
[01:58:53] the well what are the interests a of
[01:58:56] Mellanox in this meeting what are you
[01:58:58] looking for at kind of collaborations
[01:59:02] monarchs which was traditionally service
[01:59:06] has a products line with pixel based
[01:59:09] transistors at optical transistors so
[01:59:12] we're definitely interested to datacom
[01:59:14] pixels in the relative related works
[01:59:17] around that so from from mixer all the
[01:59:21] way through to the front to test and
[01:59:25] into the production line
[01:59:26] yes do you see anybody in collaboration
[01:59:29] with any of the companies in the room
[01:59:31] yes sure sure
[01:59:33] I think
[01:59:34] I recognize a lot of familiar face so
[01:59:37] it's it's an here I already have all the
[01:59:42] top vendors in the Europe okay yes yes
[01:59:47] they sent me an email if you want some
[01:59:49] kind of intro and then okay and then
[01:59:52] also I would like to come in because I
[01:59:55] wait yes we have been talking about them
[01:59:57] [Music]
[01:59:59] but what about the flip chip so maybe
[02:00:03] stemmermann a Herman a from fine thick
[02:00:05] it would you like to come and hey about
[02:00:07] the capabilities of a fine thick and
[02:00:10] what kind of collaborations are you
[02:00:11] looking for hello and thank you for
[02:00:15] asking
[02:00:17] well actually I'm joining this meeting
[02:00:19] to to learn more a little bit about the
[02:00:21] latest trends in Invictus technology and
[02:00:23] of course we are in some public funded
[02:00:27] programs together with some of the
[02:00:29] others here in the in the meeting room
[02:00:31] and well what we are looking for
[02:00:35] basically is always companies that are
[02:00:37] at the forefront of technology and are
[02:00:40] looking for new ways new technologies
[02:00:43] trying to assemble their modules so Wix
[02:00:46] is one of our daily business to bond
[02:00:49] vixx's so all these companies that
[02:00:52] looking for some one supplier actually
[02:00:57] who can supply equipment in this up
[02:01:00] micrometer right Institute to bond
[02:01:01] pixels actually is very welcome to talk
[02:01:03] to us
[02:01:04] I saw already a few very interesting
[02:01:07] presentations took some notes and also
[02:01:09] send out some some private messages and
[02:01:11] they hope to stay in touch so wishing
[02:01:14] you all very nice weekends in and thank
[02:01:17] you for having me here thank you very
[02:01:20] much chairman I think it impacted you
[02:01:22] for for participating in this meeting
[02:01:24] okay and also a very sad company unite
[02:01:28] here right a leader active here would
[02:01:34] you like to comment about a whatever
[02:01:36] they do night the capabilities and
[02:01:39] are you looking for in the same meeting
[02:01:44] okay so what may we can come back in
[02:01:47] later okay - we take either okay so a
[02:01:52] more question say for fear okay so if
[02:01:59] not let's move ahead in the program a so
[02:02:02] Nexus neck next speaker this is a be
[02:02:04] your beer Hoffman a from drug Microtech
[02:02:08] so figure if you can share your screen
[02:02:12] so okay now we can go to presentation
[02:02:19] mode alright so um since this is my
[02:02:24] first presentation I did at an epic
[02:02:26] meeting I was an instructor at the big
[02:02:28] field meeting but that was on too short
[02:02:31] notice to give a talk so I'm going to
[02:02:34] introduce route micro tech I quickly we
[02:02:37] are located in Stuttgart and Germany we
[02:02:41] have been jammed we have round about
[02:02:43] hundred employees and we have 50 years
[02:02:45] of experience as a service supplier for
[02:02:50] semiconductor parts and also for testing
[02:02:54] so we do a lot of wavelet testing
[02:02:57] reliability testing qualifications
[02:03:00] failure analyzers and so on so this is
[02:03:03] our our core business our focus is on
[02:03:07] automotive industrial high rail
[02:03:10] applications and also data from one of
[02:03:14] our business models is the supply chain
[02:03:17] management in which we cover the
[02:03:20] complete supply chain as you can see
[02:03:22] here on the right from an ASIC design
[02:03:25] across the wafer manufacturing the wafer
[02:03:28] test the assembly and packaging final
[02:03:31] test qualification related to for
[02:03:35] example automotive standards and the
[02:03:39] whole logistics so this is something
[02:03:42] that that covers all that we offer and
[02:03:47] we have also this is why we are here
[02:03:49] today with a strong background in
[02:03:51] a common qualification because our
[02:03:54] company in Stuttgart has a hotel history
[02:03:58] so many people and and equipment and so
[02:04:02] on is coming from I gotcha
[02:04:03] so we had good know-how there our lads
[02:04:08] are certified according to is over 9001
[02:04:12] and we are also an accredited lab so we
[02:04:15] definitely have top quality services
[02:04:19] that we can offer to you so going to the
[02:04:23] services my department is offering I'm
[02:04:27] not mentioning everything here you can
[02:04:30] read it later on but in January we can
[02:04:32] cover most of the tank or drgr four six
[02:04:36] eight requirements for reliability tests
[02:04:40] on optical components so and some parts
[02:04:44] that we have here for example is a we
[02:04:47] have dedicated life test system from
[02:04:49] zero I guess you remember this cap from
[02:04:52] you know and that was a of mass and we
[02:04:56] have several humidity chambers to
[02:05:00] perform temperature humidity biased or
[02:05:03] biased and heat as synonyms so for
[02:05:07] example what you typically do there is
[02:05:09] 1000 hours at 85 degrees C and 85
[02:05:14] percent relative humidity this is a very
[02:05:17] stressful tests test for devices they
[02:05:20] are degrading very quickly and this is
[02:05:23] what we typically do or mixers or
[02:05:25] photodiodes
[02:05:26] now or laser diodes especially for photo
[02:05:31] diodes we offer high temperature reverse
[02:05:34] bias tests this is typically running for
[02:05:37] one or two thousand hours at up to 175
[02:05:42] or even 200 degree C a very new
[02:05:46] development that we now have is h tol
[02:05:50] test for electro modulated edge emitting
[02:05:55] devices so this is a pretty complex
[02:05:58] topic because you need to drive the
[02:06:01] lasers and you also need to control the
[02:06:04] modulator
[02:06:05] and that oil needs to go into an oven
[02:06:07] and has a lot of temperature that is
[02:06:10] also coming from the devices so and this
[02:06:13] is something that we are working on at
[02:06:15] the moment then what what's also part of
[02:06:19] the jacquard are things like temperature
[02:06:21] cycling
[02:06:23] yes detests is something that we have
[02:06:25] not talked about today this is also what
[02:06:28] we offer and so the human body model or
[02:06:31] machine model artists or failure
[02:06:34] analysis lab is able to perform by sheer
[02:06:37] tests and wire bond strength tests and
[02:06:41] also in my department we have a LED for
[02:06:45] mechanical sharpened vibration tests so
[02:06:47] if you need to shake something really
[02:06:50] hard or vibrate it we we can do those
[02:06:54] tests also according to all the relevant
[02:06:56] standards and of course we have all the
[02:07:00] characterization equipment and I want to
[02:07:02] focus on the last two points because we
[02:07:05] are also able to perform I save key
[02:07:09] estimations or evaluations and we can
[02:07:12] also perform laser classifications so if
[02:07:15] you need something like that we could be
[02:07:18] your partner I want to focus on our
[02:07:23] speciality so we are not only doing
[02:07:25] these standard tests but one of our
[02:07:28] really strong points is that we can
[02:07:32] design custom electronics or adaptive
[02:07:36] holders we have intelligent test
[02:07:38] programs that are really tailored to
[02:07:41] your demands so we are working together
[02:07:44] with several right now datacom players
[02:07:47] and I just want to give you a few
[02:07:49] examples for example for Victor THD
[02:07:53] tests where the devices degrade very
[02:07:55] fast we have developed safe stabilizing
[02:08:00] current sources so they always keep
[02:08:02] their current edge for example 12 milli
[02:08:05] and even though the devices are
[02:08:07] degrading and this is pretty hard for it
[02:08:11] and we can put up to 128 weeks this on
[02:08:15] one one now one PCB and this is then
[02:08:19] that coupled with eight current sources
[02:08:23] recently we have modified a new part
[02:08:27] laser live test system to enable the
[02:08:31] control of the modulator so we can see
[02:08:35] it here on the right we have the REC
[02:08:37] with the new pod lab test system and in
[02:08:40] the bottom is our own equipment with
[02:08:43] power sources for the modulators and
[02:08:46] another thing that we have is we have
[02:08:50] put a photodiode on an XY scanning
[02:08:54] system and put oil into Lightroom that
[02:08:58] you and now we are able to scan across
[02:09:02] arrays of devices to fully automatically
[02:09:08] oli V characterization or a spectral
[02:09:10] characterization which is needed for
[02:09:14] example or especially for the thb tests
[02:09:19] alright so now I am going to the two
[02:09:22] epic questions that we all have to
[02:09:25] answer what can we do for you so we can
[02:09:28] take care of your reliability tests
[02:09:30] either once if you have just a capacity
[02:09:33] problem or in a long-term partnership if
[02:09:36] you are not much able to do the tests on
[02:09:40] your own or if you are a start-up and
[02:09:42] don't have the equipment at oil or so
[02:09:46] there are many different reasons why you
[02:09:47] should outsource reliability tests now
[02:09:51] the good argument for us is that we have
[02:09:55] to tailor and hardware we have a very
[02:09:56] motivated team that is working on also
[02:09:59] very specialized solutions and what can
[02:10:04] you do for us so definitely contact us
[02:10:06] if you need a partner for reliability
[02:10:09] testing either the single tests or if
[02:10:12] you need an automotive qualification
[02:10:14] like the AEC Q you can also go and
[02:10:18] contact us and if you are developing new
[02:10:22] test scenarios or devices just contact
[02:10:25] us if you need some help or if we could
[02:10:28] go into into a public funded project and
[02:10:31] so on so we are always
[02:10:33] searching for partners and the last
[02:10:36] point is so we are very used with single
[02:10:39] images but we have not so much
[02:10:41] experience so far with vixen arrays and
[02:10:43] since this is a growing topic we would
[02:10:46] love to get also into that field
[02:10:49] more all right so thank you for your
[02:10:53] attention and on the bottom is my email
[02:10:55] if you have some questions for me later
[02:10:59] on
[02:11:00] hey thank you very much to be armed so
[02:11:02] ok you were quite clear with them what
[02:11:05] can we do for them what can they do for
[02:11:07] you
[02:11:07] so and there is plenty of room for
[02:11:11] collaborations I think with the company
[02:11:12] same in the room so let's work with a a
[02:11:15] question that we have a here in the room
[02:11:18] in the room
[02:11:20] so the question is from a three SP
[02:11:22] technologies from Vito Peter would you
[02:11:25] like to meet yourself and make the
[02:11:28] question ok Peter I would say we have
[02:11:38] you in the room ok he's asking for which
[02:11:43] support
[02:11:44] I guess the substrate is meant to be the
[02:11:50] readability tests on mixers on which
[02:11:53] supports oh yes yes yes hello I see the
[02:12:03] picture you put two three times about 80
[02:12:05] okay I was just curious to know about
[02:12:07] the support they are using do you know
[02:12:09] doing everything on till card or you buy
[02:12:12] eight and do I believe that what else
[02:12:15] so typically we tend to use tea Hawkins
[02:12:20] especially tea or I guess 46 because
[02:12:24] that's where the modules from our yellow
[02:12:27] system are made for we can put round
[02:12:30] about 400 to oaken's into that life test
[02:12:33] system and that's also why we usually
[02:12:37] put the mixers in the same package for
[02:12:41] the other tests too but we also work on
[02:12:45] sub mount level to be able to test for
[02:12:51] example laser diodes so we could also
[02:12:53] think of of sub mount testing for vixens
[02:12:57] but we are not doing any
[02:12:58] wafer level testing so far what we say
[02:13:06] when you say wafer eel do you mean the
[02:13:08] original wafer processing with that or
[02:13:11] support in a shade over where you for
[02:13:14] example bone did an exam so we don't
[02:13:21] know we are just focusing on on small
[02:13:25] amount tests so just a few hundred of
[02:13:27] devices when we have to test when we
[02:13:30] have to do for example four thousand
[02:13:34] device life test or random failure test
[02:13:37] and we go to to a partner that you maybe
[02:13:40] also or know which is Rajesh okay very
[02:13:51] good thank you for the question and now
[02:13:53] if there are no more questions I would
[02:13:55] like to introduce you very a great
[02:13:58] company from Tampere a so a costly steam
[02:14:03] aim if you are available from a from
[02:14:06] modulite they would you like to us
[02:14:09] planer say what are you looking for in
[02:14:11] this a meeting what are your interesting
[02:14:13] piece in Vixens hello hello hello this
[02:14:24] is anyone okay sir I didn't expect that
[02:14:28] don't worry maybe yes maybe you can
[02:14:31] comment about what the why is modernized
[02:14:33] interesting vixens
[02:14:34] yes sir motor life has a long experience
[02:14:37] in manufacturing the semiconductor
[02:14:39] winters and their latest products in our
[02:14:44] and also entering the whistle yes and
[02:14:50] basically now we're interested in the
[02:14:56] ongoing trends
[02:14:59] so business okay so I hope you find
[02:15:04] these these meeting very interesting no
[02:15:06] yes it is very interesting what speakers
[02:15:10] and presentations okay okay in order to
[02:15:15] learn more about this and it's go away I
[02:15:17] got in packaging regarding micro optics
[02:15:19] of a big set we have C here C SEM Jakes
[02:15:26] hey would you like to tell us about
[02:15:29] whether you're the interest of CS eme
[02:15:31] mixes yes thanks for the question we are
[02:15:37] mainly using vixens
[02:15:39] at the specific wavelength 7 795
[02:15:43] nanometers for quantum sensors mainly
[02:15:46] atomic clocks
[02:15:48] gyroscopes and magneto meters and we
[02:15:52] find some of these pixels on the market
[02:15:56] we've heard from from Pixar and we've
[02:15:59] heard from 2/6 and my question is more
[02:16:03] about these are all big market large
[02:16:07] part numbers of pixels to be fabricated
[02:16:11] which interests this these companies now
[02:16:14] our market are much smaller and this is
[02:16:17] quite difficult to interest Excel
[02:16:20] providers to adapt their laser to our
[02:16:24] needs and my question is are there other
[02:16:27] providers of Excel which are oriented to
[02:16:31] niche markets and if this is the case
[02:16:34] then I would be interested will you like
[02:16:56] to answer this question that question
[02:17:03] that we get a lot that we get a lot we
[02:17:05] receive a lot so when it comes to big
[02:17:07] cells for atomic clocks for example a we
[02:17:10] are needing many
[02:17:11] offering only a few units many people
[02:17:14] tell me they don't answer the phone for
[02:17:15] less than few wafers Chrystia how do we
[02:17:18] address niche markets like for example
[02:17:20] the gas sensing in longer wavelengths or
[02:17:23] or maybe this atomic clock or quantum
[02:17:26] community is there a chance for the
[02:17:27] people to get just a few samples it's a
[02:17:33] good question
[02:17:35] we are still also a small company and we
[02:17:41] have we give our focus on dedicated
[02:17:45] projects and market segments and
[02:17:47] applications so we have to very
[02:17:50] carefully allocate our resources to our
[02:17:55] to our projects and and to the you know
[02:17:58] how what we develop and what vases we
[02:18:01] reproduce of course we always look at
[02:18:05] the business potential because we are a
[02:18:09] commercial company and we have to grow
[02:18:11] our revenues so at the same time we are
[02:18:15] very flexible I mean for example we we
[02:18:18] do most of our revenues today in the
[02:18:20] sensing market which is very fragmented
[02:18:23] so we produce over 15 different
[02:18:25] wavelengths for the circuit so we can
[02:18:29] also cope with smaller smaller projects
[02:18:34] but overall for us the goal is is it in
[02:18:36] line with our product roadmap and what
[02:18:41] what is the resource allocation so it's
[02:18:43] it's science I cannot Chris really
[02:18:46] completely I can only tell you we will
[02:18:48] look at every project and we have to
[02:18:51] prioritize as our resources are limited
[02:18:55] but you Liang Julian and Christian I
[02:18:58] have a very simple mind so I think it's
[02:19:00] better to sell one pixel for think aid
[02:19:02] and then throw some byxis for one euro
[02:19:05] well I think what matters is the
[02:19:08] aggregate it's the dollar amount and of
[02:19:11] course if you make one jigsaw the
[02:19:13] problem is that while you still make
[02:19:15] maybe a hundred thousand pixel because
[02:19:16] on the wafer you have more than that
[02:19:18] so what do you do with ninety nine
[02:19:19] thousand bits that are left but in the
[02:19:21] end it's the business cases they're
[02:19:22] gonna get ready
[02:19:24] even from from Nike I'm very interesting
[02:19:27] their vision here because you have
[02:19:29] invested like crazy on getting so many
[02:19:31] reactors I went there to a through to
[02:19:33] Cardiff and I saw them and I got
[02:19:34] goosebumps
[02:19:35] how do you see the challenge for the
[02:19:37] companies who don't need these large
[02:19:38] volumes but it can enable new markets
[02:19:40] how can they get a supply chain yeah
[02:19:43] absolutely I mean our investment is for
[02:19:47] volume manufacturing a big source of
[02:19:49] course that's that's where the big
[02:19:50] investment is but we still remain
[02:19:53] passionate about supplying small small
[02:19:56] smaller supply chains we we are involved
[02:19:59] actually topic of the condom
[02:20:02] sorry atomic clocks for example we are
[02:20:06] involved in quite a number of projects
[02:20:07] on atomic clocks and I become it is and
[02:20:10] things are that within quantum
[02:20:11] technologies and then they are very much
[02:20:14] smaller and II projects because the the
[02:20:17] demand isn't there course and you know
[02:20:19] that's is funded happens to be UK
[02:20:23] national projects and so on at the
[02:20:24] moment but it is something that's still
[02:20:26] on our roadmap so we we are still very
[02:20:28] much involved in that small volume
[02:20:31] manufacturing area and I'm very much
[02:20:36] open to any anyone that's interested in
[02:20:40] and those sort of novel happy designs if
[02:20:43] you like or applications I love I love
[02:20:45] big cells in mobile phones and in-ear VR
[02:20:48] glasses but we have had lots of
[02:20:50] discussion with the European Space
[02:20:51] Agency for the skylight projects and
[02:20:53] things alike and these are huge volumes
[02:20:56] but they start with a few units among I
[02:20:58] dunno they seem that companies are
[02:21:00] trying to innovate for a space and have
[02:21:01] trove lends to integrate pixels in their
[02:21:03] products that's true yeah
[02:21:07] but then this the space agency is the
[02:21:09] place you should really start because
[02:21:12] these are the the visa is a an
[02:21:14] organization which can can allow these
[02:21:18] low numbers to be evaluated fully before
[02:21:21] a larger production run might be
[02:21:24] feasible or even worthwhile what about
[02:21:27] the companies in the air on decide icon
[02:21:29] photonics you've been enabling packaging
[02:21:31] of weak cells already for a few years
[02:21:34] and now you are addressing different
[02:21:36] samples is it easy for you to get
[02:21:38] a few samples from companies to the
[02:21:40] packaging with the user innovative
[02:21:42] process
[02:21:43] no thank you actually it's not so easier
[02:21:47] sometimes there is always a need of to
[02:21:51] project ourselves in the future for
[02:21:52] high-volume production so it's not so
[02:21:55] easy to get small small volumes thank
[02:21:59] you thank you Jose for this a nice nice
[02:22:01] presentation I have one question for you
[02:22:03] about me
[02:22:05] for the chip makers that we have here
[02:22:08] Julian Christian Mary what would be the
[02:22:13] challenge of the key challenge that you
[02:22:15] that you see for micro optics on on your
[02:22:18] point of view on the chip maker on the
[02:22:20] vehicle side what would be the key
[02:22:22] challenge for the Michael optics yeah I
[02:22:29] can answer if you want at least my view
[02:22:31] so on the microbes excited we so for the
[02:22:34] consumer we want to match again the
[02:22:36] field of view of the camera so we want
[02:22:37] for example for AR we are very large
[02:22:40] field of elimination that's definitely a
[02:22:42] challenge we want to avoid a high
[02:22:45] frequency noise we want to have a smooth
[02:22:47] the response as possible we have want to
[02:22:48] have all the power content in the in
[02:22:52] denomination field and no no power in
[02:22:56] the outside of the field of view of the
[02:22:58] camera we want it to be reliable that
[02:23:02] means it can withstand all kinds of
[02:23:04] environment and especially when we go to
[02:23:05] automotive applications we want it to be
[02:23:08] very robust to environmentally but I'm
[02:23:11] not sure I answer your question I think
[02:23:13] you might come from another angle now
[02:23:16] you answer partly but there is
[02:23:18] definitely something to discuss because
[02:23:19] they I come photonics process for the
[02:23:21] wafer level packaging of big cells is
[02:23:24] super innovative and I think there is
[02:23:26] something that you can't benefit you and
[02:23:27] Mary definitely can benefit from our
[02:23:30] discussion I'm gonna make an
[02:23:31] introduction later but I'm interested in
[02:23:33] a friend of mine dick the monk join the
[02:23:35] meeting today from a company a and many
[02:23:37] of you don't know this company even
[02:23:39] though this is a company very well known
[02:23:41] in the semiconductor Derek thank you
[02:23:43] very much for joining today tell us what
[02:23:45] you doing a big cell meeting and what
[02:23:46] can you do for this community
[02:23:49] thank you all for having me and I
[02:23:52] overwhelmed that all the smart guys and
[02:23:55] woman in this room I feel very lucky to
[02:23:58] be listening to you guys and learning
[02:24:01] from you guys I'm attending to learn how
[02:24:04] to mark this developing out we can be
[02:24:07] off service there are quite a few people
[02:24:11] already attending this meeting that we
[02:24:13] are in contact with and that we are
[02:24:15] discussing with them how we can help
[02:24:17] them to push their technical boundaries
[02:24:20] we do that in a way that we can build
[02:24:23] machines for you that you want to scale
[02:24:27] up in and we do that for many years in
[02:24:30] the front end of the semiconductor
[02:24:32] industry and also in the back end of the
[02:24:35] semiconductor industry for packaging and
[02:24:38] bonding and seems like that and for me
[02:24:42] the trends I'm investigating is how we
[02:24:45] can work smarter as a group and not a
[02:24:50] lot harder which means more focusing on
[02:24:53] collaboration and making sure that our
[02:24:58] organization stays agile and other
[02:25:01] organizations become more agile - ok
[02:25:06] thank you very much for this
[02:25:08] introduction of your company and now
[02:25:10] okay if there are no more comments for
[02:25:13] the year for the companies in the room
[02:25:17] and it's moving forward with the last
[02:25:20] day but not least presentation so Hamas
[02:25:24] from optic wave systems how many would
[02:25:28] you were ready yeah here we go I'm okay
[02:25:38] so thanks Anand was a for this
[02:25:41] opportunity actually I wanted to go
[02:25:43] quickly about introducing up to web this
[02:25:47] is our first time to present here at
[02:25:49] epic so hopefully you give more
[02:25:51] information about doctor wave and get
[02:25:53] more introduction with other companies
[02:25:56] and collaboration eventually so up to
[02:25:59] web is established in 1994 it's in
[02:26:01] Ottawa Ontario
[02:26:02] mainly the blob in software for
[02:26:06] designing simulation optimization for
[02:26:08] components systems and network and links
[02:26:11] up to wave the advantage of this
[02:26:15] software can give a competitive
[02:26:16] advantage for shortening the product
[02:26:19] time and deduction through simulation
[02:26:22] which could provide savings on cost and
[02:26:27] enhancing their productivity in up to
[02:26:31] uavs product is in 75 countries we are
[02:26:35] licensing our product over 1,000
[02:26:37] industry leading companies universities
[02:26:39] research institutions and this is list
[02:26:44] of different companies work our customer
[02:26:46] quickly can go through the presentation
[02:26:48] later on now I'm going to talk about the
[02:26:51] main product of opt wave in system level
[02:26:53] we have two main products which is opted
[02:26:56] system and Optus spice and then the
[02:26:59] component level we have different
[02:27:01] products like opti the beam propagation
[02:27:04] method of TF d DT optic fiber optic
[02:27:07] lighting and newly we can introduce some
[02:27:11] new software which is coming in next
[02:27:13] month which is called up the instrument
[02:27:15] enable users to remotely control and
[02:27:18] communicate with instruments set up
[02:27:21] parameters to mention a testing
[02:27:24] characterization and as well as allow
[02:27:27] users to view generated signals extract
[02:27:30] data and process the data remotely so
[02:27:34] this is something it coming up here
[02:27:36] quickly I'm going to go through the
[02:27:38] capabilities of opti system which is the
[02:27:40] demand software which addresses the Vics
[02:27:42] cell market we are talking about it
[02:27:45] today optic system has capability to
[02:27:47] talk to simulate opto electronic
[02:27:50] circuits networks amplifiers modulate
[02:27:55] Advan
[02:27:56] provides capability to advanced
[02:27:59] modulation schemes wireless
[02:28:01] communication systems it can do sensors
[02:28:04] it as well as the other software which
[02:28:07] is doing the finite time difference
[02:28:10] methods beam propagation method opting
[02:28:12] gating and opti fiber at the mote
[02:28:14] solving methods for
[02:28:16] photonic crystal fibers and other types
[02:28:20] in capabilities for optics system in
[02:28:24] wireless communication market we address
[02:28:26] the life ice-free space objects visible
[02:28:28] light communication so all of this
[02:28:31] system we can be simulated in opti
[02:28:34] system software and the things which is
[02:28:38] also important here we offer lots of
[02:28:41] capabilities in microwave photonics for
[02:28:45] modulators lasers filters designs and
[02:28:49] characterization in the labor market
[02:28:52] application we offer different
[02:28:55] simulations for time-of-flight
[02:28:57] arrangements as well as the frequency
[02:29:00] modulation controls wave methods we
[02:29:04] offer sensors for using gratings or by
[02:29:08] OTDR gear scopes or TDRs we offer DSP
[02:29:14] components which can do signal
[02:29:16] processing for the systems and plus the
[02:29:18] advanced modulation for the sake of this
[02:29:23] workshop or meeting here the Vics cell
[02:29:26] component offer we have four different
[02:29:28] components one of them is for single
[02:29:31] mode application and then others for
[02:29:33] multi mode applications for single mode
[02:29:35] application we have DIF accelerator
[02:29:36] which includes thermal models parameter
[02:29:39] fitting based on measure of Li IV curves
[02:29:42] so you can extract the data from
[02:29:45] measurements and then plugged it in the
[02:29:47] components which is shown here
[02:29:49] and then eventually you can do this
[02:29:51] simulation in a system level in the
[02:29:54] Vixen laser there is another commercial
[02:29:56] called measure it has more functionality
[02:29:59] beside the the ones described here and
[02:30:02] allows the user to extract laser rate
[02:30:04] parameters from measured threshold
[02:30:06] current optical power resonance
[02:30:08] frequency and damping factors the other
[02:30:12] types of pixels which is for multimode
[02:30:14] applications the special Vixens and it
[02:30:17] can be as well spatial temporal pixels
[02:30:21] which supports to these special
[02:30:23] dependent rate equations and accounts
[02:30:25] for dynamically special interaction
[02:30:27] between optical fields and carrier
[02:30:29] distribution
[02:30:30] active layers this is general view of
[02:30:34] the GUI of opti system and for example
[02:30:38] once you double click on the component
[02:30:40] in here you pop up a window here which
[02:30:43] has all these parameters you can set up
[02:30:45] you can sweep these parameters you can
[02:30:47] optimize these parameters in your setup
[02:30:49] and you can control the the load the
[02:30:54] input parameter major data and they do
[02:30:57] simulation with the measured measured
[02:30:59] data this is the other component here
[02:31:02] and the other other two components and
[02:31:07] then here eventually show you some
[02:31:09] examples of opti system this is as
[02:31:14] multimode Vic cell used for transmission
[02:31:17] BAM signals and then in the system here
[02:31:21] we can show you for example the GUI
[02:31:23] quickly this is the GUI how to look like
[02:31:26] the component as you double-click on it
[02:31:28] you can see the parameters you can set
[02:31:32] up thermal effects you can set the
[02:31:35] physical dimension of the component you
[02:31:37] can fit up parameters loaded in if you
[02:31:40] have special effects you can put the
[02:31:42] mods in LG mods or hermetic ASIMO lb
[02:31:46] mods so lots of flexibility in the model
[02:31:49] and in this system here you have lots of
[02:31:52] visualization so you can see idea grams
[02:31:55] you can see constellation you can see
[02:31:57] also is called
[02:31:58] time demand frequency domain so lots of
[02:32:01] flexibility in the tool and it's easy to
[02:32:04] use it's just only dragging components
[02:32:06] or from libraries here into the layout
[02:32:09] and then that's clear Andy compare the
[02:32:11] calculation we offer 30 days free trials
[02:32:16] for anyone wants to try the software and
[02:32:19] we are looking into collaboration with
[02:32:22] the different like people in the in the
[02:32:27] in the meeting here and to work on on
[02:32:31] simulating and implementing the
[02:32:33] different different software in their in
[02:32:38] their design and in their manufacturing
[02:32:41] floors so this is the
[02:32:44] front results for for visualization and
[02:32:47] with that I just conclude an open for
[02:32:50] for questions thank you thank you very
[02:32:53] much for a great presentation is so nice
[02:32:55] to have the design company the optics
[02:32:58] companies the big cell companies and the
[02:33:00] users together and so good there are so
[02:33:02] much room for cooperation for
[02:33:04] collaboration the idea here is that you
[02:33:06] all got to know each other today in two
[02:33:09] and a half hours so is 5:33 we managed
[02:33:11] to get to know each other and we managed
[02:33:13] to find cooperations so I would like to
[02:33:15] ask you the epic question you have the
[02:33:18] whole supply chain in front of you what
[02:33:20] can you do for them what can they do for
[02:33:22] you so for us is optic wave is we wanted
[02:33:29] to collaborate with with manufacturers
[02:33:31] and with with design houses to be able
[02:33:36] to use our tools in their their
[02:33:39] facilities to be able to simplify the
[02:33:41] designs and study the different like
[02:33:46] system parameter variation the effects
[02:33:49] in this in the system levels or or the
[02:33:51] component levels so this is something
[02:33:54] which we could offer to to the different
[02:33:57] companies from our side we like to also
[02:34:00] get a collaboration with with the
[02:34:02] different specially fraps to get data
[02:34:05] from them and they plug it into the
[02:34:06] simulation tool to to to tune it in case
[02:34:09] if there is some some parameters which
[02:34:12] one to give more realistic models for
[02:34:15] for the simulation tool you know what I
[02:34:19] think is being a great great meeting I
[02:34:21] think there are a lot of cooperations to
[02:34:23] be made I also think it's Friday 5:30 I
[02:34:26] know that so I'm gonna tell you just
[02:34:27] what I have learned well aquatic were
[02:34:29] actually more tactile he'll learn what I
[02:34:31] think there is a lot of room still to
[02:34:32] learn the first thing that I would like
[02:34:34] to let you know is that I think we need
[02:34:36] to continue meeting I think we need to
[02:34:38] continue meeting in different places and
[02:34:39] their line technology meetings are of
[02:34:41] course a great great place for that I
[02:34:43] also want to let me just quickly share
[02:34:46] my screen
[02:34:54] okay thank you very much so I would like
[02:34:56] to let you know that for for me I have
[02:34:57] seen some the biggest challenges is
[02:34:59] everybody was asking for longer
[02:35:01] wavelengths beyond one micrometer we had
[02:35:04] lots of questions from estimate
[02:35:05] electronics from Sumitomo and the chat
[02:35:06] they are really desperate on that only
[02:35:08] the one is the wafer level testing on
[02:35:10] that fie contact really has position
[02:35:11] that there is a lot of room to cover to
[02:35:13] have an electro-optical probe that can
[02:35:15] actually do this other speed at least
[02:35:18] one divided by this and lighting energy
[02:35:20] on this is really setting up the pace
[02:35:21] for the rest of the companies to follow
[02:35:23] testing our liabilities a challenge not
[02:35:25] only a wafer levels also at eye level
[02:35:27] and especially for the applications we
[02:35:28] are targeting on that I think rod
[02:35:30] Microtech is an epic helping many
[02:35:32] companies as well as a fear managing to
[02:35:34] do this the packaging especially the
[02:35:36] micro optics for the weak cells the song
[02:35:38] that we need to discuss more in depth we
[02:35:41] are doing events only on micro optics
[02:35:43] because the push is huge especially for
[02:35:45] the lighter and the automotive sector we
[02:35:48] have actually an event on Fatima July
[02:35:49] online meeting on ADA's plus autonomous
[02:35:52] driving we are actually addressing this
[02:35:53] with the veil on bolero
[02:35:55] furthermore I took here up a slide from
[02:35:59] the market report of Joel that we have
[02:36:00] bought on pixels and there they are
[02:36:02] talking about the key applications and I
[02:36:04] did realize that for me what I really
[02:36:05] see growing a lot and thank you
[02:36:07] professor for the fantastic presentation
[02:36:09] also thank you to six for mentioning it
[02:36:11] is the structure light market I think
[02:36:13] this is one of the booming market in the
[02:36:15] coming years gonna have an event only on
[02:36:17] computer vision instruction lighting but
[02:36:19] I think this and that we need to keep
[02:36:20] pushing and addressing the needs and
[02:36:22] today we have for prophecy some other
[02:36:24] demands on pixels for that particular
[02:36:26] market technology trends I love the
[02:36:28] presentation from Mary but I Islamic
[02:36:30] said I cannot I cannot hide it and the
[02:36:33] multi-junction pixel is something out of
[02:36:35] this world
[02:36:35] the high power sharples demands are
[02:36:38] really key there and a high-end small
[02:36:41] volume we have to enable new markets
[02:36:44] with the vixx's not everyone can pull
[02:36:45] pixels in the apple iphone we have to
[02:36:48] make sure whenever new markets and that
[02:36:49] start with accessing but they knew the
[02:36:52] small volumes with high-end pixels I
[02:36:54] took here
[02:36:56] little bit of squirrel we are looking
[02:36:59] for vixx's on high power cell poses
[02:37:01] wavelength or 940 nanometer Jarrell is
[02:37:04] doing crazy things on the camera
[02:37:06] business world and they are looking for
[02:37:07] that so I hope that we are getting a lot
[02:37:10] of business on that and with this I
[02:37:12] would like to wish all of you my friends
[02:37:14] a fantastic weekend and enjoy your
[02:37:17] family you can get out a little bit well
[02:37:19] you have to stay home there is a lot of
[02:37:21] things you can do at home believe me see
[02:37:23] you soon bye bye why thank you bye bye
[02:37:27] bye nice weekend