# 英語咖啡館 Ep.235 英語時光機-世世代代保健兒童腸胃的飲料 The probiotic drink for generations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySSf0OhuOyg Translation: zh-TW [00:00] Hello you guys, you are now listening to 哈囉各位，你們現在正在收聽 [00:02] 15mins Cafe on 15 men. 15分鐘咖啡館，由15位男士主持。 [00:08] Today 15 今天15 [00:22] minut that's right you guys you are now 分鐘，沒錯，各位，你們現在 [00:24] listening to John and 正在收聽約翰和 [00:26] Patrick and today we are going to be 派翠克的節目，今天我們要 [00:30] talking about drinks yes drinks you know 來聊聊飲料，沒錯，飲料，你知道的， [00:35] summer times we have to eat and drink 夏天我們總要吃吃喝喝， [00:38] yes well Summer's been very very kind to 是的，夏天對我非常好， [00:41] me I gained 2 我胖了2 [00:45] kilograms yeah of course in 公斤，沒錯，當然是在 [00:49] taian oh yes so our bubble tea stores 泰安，哦對，所以我們的珍珠奶茶店 [00:52] are very famous but I actually didn't 非常有名，但我其實沒有 [00:54] gain weight from bubble tea oh and 因為珍珠奶茶而變胖，哦，那 [00:58] what's that I think I gained weight from 是什麼呢？我想我是因為 [01:00] Drinking all sorts of other drinks ah. 喝各種各樣的飲料啊。 [01:04] And also iced latte, I think I drank too much milk ah. 還有冰拿鐵，我想我喝了太多牛奶啊。 [01:06] Yeah, yeah, that's my problem this time around. 對對，這次就是我的問題。 [01:11] So I started dabbling my fingers in espresso. 所以我開始嘗試接觸濃縮咖啡。 [01:13] I bought a new espresso machine and I'm learning how to make espressos at home. 我買了一台新的濃縮咖啡機，正在學習如何在家製作濃縮咖啡。 [01:18] And you know, sometimes I'm drinking espresso and then you feel like, oh, that's very hot and I want something to cool me down. 你知道嗎，有時候我喝濃縮咖啡，然後會覺得，哦，那很燙，我想要點東西來降溫。 [01:26] And then I thought, okay, I'm going to start drinking iced lattes. 然後我想，好吧，我要開始喝冰拿鐵。 [01:29] And then I got hooked. 然後我就上癮了。 [01:32] And then I think I drank one cup too many iced lattes. 然後我想我多喝了一杯冰拿鐵。 [01:34] Oh, as for me, you know, the things that gain my weight is tofu pudding. 哦，至於我，你知道，讓我體重增加的東西是豆花。 [01:42] Yes, tofu pudding. 是的，豆花。 [01:47] And I just talked about tofu pudding the other day. 而且我前幾天才剛聊過豆花。 [01:51] Really? 真的嗎？ [01:54] So what kind of flavor of tofu pudding would you like to choose? 那麼你會想選擇什麼口味的豆花呢？ [01:57] Um, in the last episode we talked about the different topics for tofu pudding. 嗯，在上一集我們討論了關於豆花的不同話題。 [01:59] And for clim... 而對於氣候... [02:02] She's on ja so J people do tofu pudding. 她正在吃豆花，所以J人們做豆花。 [02:05] On soy milk, so it's soy on soy, I call it soy on soy. 配上豆漿，所以是豆上加豆，我稱之為豆上加豆。 [02:09] And then for us here in Taipei, it's mostly either mung beans, red beans, or pearl barley, or, um, you know, the brown sugar soup. 然後對我們在台北這裡的人來說，大多是綠豆、紅豆、珍珠薏仁，或者，嗯，你知道的，紅糖湯。 [02:19] So personally for me, it's peanut, pearl barley, brown sugar soup. 所以對我個人來說，是花生、珍珠薏仁、紅糖湯。 [02:22] Yeah, so it's, you know, you got to go with the basic stuff, and then not too much of a fluff on top, you know, because you want something not very chewy. 對，所以，你知道，你得選基本的配料，然後上面不要太多花俏的東西，你知道，因為你想要不太有嚼勁的。 [02:30] Um, not too much in the mouth, but at the same time, you don't want to miss the texture. 嗯，嘴裡不要太多東西，但同時，你也不想錯過口感。 [02:35] So something soft, hard, and in between, I think, yeah, peanuts would be the best choice. 所以軟的、硬的、介於兩者之間的，我想，對，花生會是最好的選擇。 [02:44] Yes, so tofu pudding is also quite evil because of the sweetened brown sugar soup. 是的，所以豆花也相當邪惡，因為加了甜紅糖湯。 [02:49] I think, I think tofu itself is relatively healthy, yeah, but it's the sugar. 我想，我想豆腐本身相對健康，對，但問題是糖。 [02:58] Yes, for me, it's the lactose in the milk. 是的，對我來說，是牛奶中的乳糖。 [03:00] And if you... 而且如果你…… [03:03] Drink a lot of milk, there's also sugar in the milk. 喝很多牛奶，牛奶裡也有糖。 [03:05] But that sugar is not white sugar or brown sugar. 但那種糖不是白糖或紅糖。 [03:09] That sugar is called lactose. 那種糖叫做乳糖。 [03:11] Oh, so it's like if you eat too many fruits, then fruits also contain a lot of sugar. 哦，所以就像如果你吃太多水果，水果也含有大量糖分。 [03:18] So sugar from fruits are called fructose. 所以來自水果的糖叫做果糖。 [03:24] Fructose, yeah, fructose, right. 果糖，對，果糖，沒錯。 [03:28] So if you over consume fructose, you also get chubby like me, yeah. 所以如果你過量攝取果糖，你也會變得像我一樣胖，對。 [03:31] A lot of fruits are getting sweeter recent years, right, like grapes. 近年來很多水果越來越甜，對吧，像是葡萄。 [03:37] Oh, all fruits in Taiwan are sweet. 哦，台灣的所有水果都很甜。 [03:41] People don't sell fruits that are not sweet in Taiwan. 在台灣，人們不賣不甜的水果。 [03:44] That's not the way we do it, yes. 我們不是這樣做的，對。 [03:47] So summertime, when we talk about drinks, we have to talk about drinks that can make us healthy. 所以夏天，當我們談論飲料時，我們必須談論能讓我們健康的飲料。 [03:52] Why? Because we are very unhealthy, like me. 為什麼？因為我們非常不健康，像我一樣。 [03:55] I gain 2 kilograms. 我胖了兩公斤。 [03:58] So for healthy drink, what is a healthy drink for us here in Taiwan, Patrick? 所以對於健康飲料，在台灣對我們來說什麼是健康飲料，派翠克？ [04:03] M, there's a lot of stuff, right. 嗯，有很多東西，對吧。 [04:09] So I don't know if like white fungus. 所以我不知道是否像白木耳。 [04:13] Yeah, do you like this kind of stuff very healthy? 是啊，你喜歡這種非常健康的東西嗎？ [04:15] Um, but again if it's without sugar, then I don't know what I'm eating. 嗯，但再說一次，如果它沒有糖，那我就不知道我在吃什麼了。 [04:21] Oh yeah, so again we can't do without sugar. 哦對，所以我們還是不能沒有糖。 [04:24] We got to have a little bit of sugar. 我們得加一點糖。 [04:25] Yeah, the same as the vanger, right? 是啊，跟那個vanger一樣，對吧？ [04:29] The Ping two or something? 是Ping two還是什麼？ [04:32] Oh, apple cider, right? 哦，蘋果醋，對吧？ [04:34] Apple vinegar, yes, yeah, vinegar is totally the same. 蘋果醋，對，醋是完全一樣的。 [04:37] But there's one more thing that some people will have to, you know, make our stomach kind of rolling. 但還有一件事，有些人必須，你知道，讓我們的胃有點翻滾。 [04:48] There's ah, yeah, that's right, the stuff. 有啊，對，就是那個東西。 [04:51] Yes, so in Taiwan culturally, where do we see them the most? 是的，所以在台灣文化中，我們最常在什麼地方看到它們？ [04:54] Together with your lunchbox and these drinks, you grow up with them. 跟你的便當和這些飲料一起，你從小就接觸它們。 [04:56] At the wet markets, you know, the traditional market. 在菜市場，你知道，傳統市場。 [05:02] You know your mom would buy you one and shut you up. 你知道你媽媽會買一個給你，讓你閉嘴。 [05:11] Yeah, you know you want me to take her to the convenience store, but this things that she can't drink right, chocolate milk or juice? No, no, no. 是啊，你知道你想讓我帶她去便利商店，但這些東西她不能喝，對吧，巧克力牛奶或果汁？不，不，不。 [05:20] Yes, my sister said just buy her one y coat and she'll shut up. 是的，我姐姐說只要給她買一件外套她就會閉嘴。 [05:23] That's the Taiwan way, right? 這就是台灣的方式，對吧？ [05:26] Yeah. 是啊。 [05:30] Okay, so at one point in time, I don't know when or how, our traditional lunch boxes, you know, your your your set meals, your your set lunch boxes, your Pento boxes, let's call it, okay? 好的，所以曾經有一段時間，我不知道何時或如何，我們的傳統便當，你知道的，你的你的你的套餐，你的你的便當盒，你的便當盒，我們就這樣稱呼吧，好嗎？ [05:44] I think in Japan you can call it Bento, Bento boxes. 我想在日本你可以稱之為便當，便當盒。 [05:46] They come with El cult, I don't know who designed it that way, but it seems like, oh, it's good for you because some Pento, um, after having a full size Pento box, um, a cup of yakult is is good for you, yeah. 它們附帶養樂多，我不知道是誰這樣設計的，但似乎，哦，這對你有好處，因為有些便當，嗯，吃完一個全尺寸的便當盒後，嗯，一杯養樂多對你有好處，是啊。 [06:01] And who exactly designed it that way? 而究竟是誰這樣設計的呢？ [06:04] Nobody knows, but it seems like that's how the word spread, people people said that, and your mom sort of one day said that, but nobody really checked it up. 沒有人知道，但似乎就是這樣傳開的，人們人們這麼說，而你媽媽有一天也這麼說，但沒有人真正去查證過。 [06:14] Right back in the old days, nobody had Wikipedia, so we didn't check it up and say, "Is that true or not?" 回到過去，沒有人有維基百科，所以我們不會去查證並說：「那是真的還是假的？」 [06:20] And so today, I think you have to tell us a little bit about the truth. 所以今天，我認為你必須告訴我們一些關於真相的事。 [06:26] What is exactly the truth? Is it healthy or is it not? 真相到底是什麼？它是健康的還是不健康的？ [06:28] Oh, okay, so we're going to talk about yo. 哦，好的，所以我們要來談談 yo。 [06:33] Right, because yes, talking about the B culture in Taiwan, but not exactly every bottle is yako. 對，因為是的，談論台灣的B文化，但並非每一瓶都是yako。 [06:52] Right company, right yeah, these companies we start mimicking them. 對的公司，對的，這些公司我們開始模仿它們。 [06:59] So, uh, to name one, I remember — do you, I don't know if you know this — I think I was a kid, and then there was Y and sha. 所以，呃，舉一個例子，我記得——你知道嗎，我不知道你是否知道這個——我想我還是個小孩，然後有Y和sha。 [07:08] Yes, yes, I know this one. 是的，是的，我知道這個。 [07:12] I didn't understand it; I really didn't understand it. 我不理解它；我真的不理解它。 [07:04] I was. 我當時是。 [07:15] Like and then I got Ywa and I'm like are you kidding me that that's not it that's not it and it's t it tastes it's also milky like it looks like Yakult the the bottle looks like Yakult but it tastes totally different and I'm like are you kidding me that's not the real thing so we got the knockoffs right yes and then we got the competitor the direct competitor M yeah that's also still available in 7-Eleven today yeah the do do yeah it's from the competitor yeah yes so you know what I grew up with Yakult Y and then the year that I first came back to visit Taiwan again people started drinking Toto and then I'm like what happened to people what's wrong and and I for some odd reason people ask me hey and I'm like what exactly is that I assumed it was and then I realized Doo is a another product very similar to 就像，然後我買了Ywa，我心想你在開玩笑嗎？那不是它，那不是它，而且它喝起來，它喝起來也很像牛奶，它看起來像養樂多，瓶子看起來像養樂多，但味道完全不一樣，我心想你在開玩笑嗎？那不是真貨，所以我們買到了仿冒品，對吧？是的，然後我們買了競爭對手的產品，直接競爭對手M，對，那個現在在7-Eleven也還有賣，對，就是那個，對，它來自競爭對手，對，是的，所以你知道我小時候喝的是養樂多Y，然後我第一次回台灣的那一年，大家開始喝Toto，我心想人們怎麼了？有什麼問題？然後不知為何，有人問我嘿，我心想那是什麼？我以為它是，然後我發現Doo是另一個非常相似的產品。 [08:17] Young ad and if you drink it it's like Pepsi and Coke right some people like Pepsi some people like Coke yeah yeah. 年輕的廣告，如果你喝它，就像百事可樂和可口可樂，對吧，有些人喜歡百事可樂，有些人喜歡可口可樂，是啊是啊。 [08:25] But there is a distinguishable difference. 但有一個可區分的差異。 [08:27] M yes not only in the flavor because dor comes in a bigger bottle yes and then you're like since when is yor that tiny right on the shelves and you you see it on the shelves and you think to yourself for the same price I want the bigger bottle right. 嗯，是的，不僅在口味上，因為dor的瓶子比較大，是啊，然後你就會想，yor什麼時候變得那麼小，就在貨架上，你看到它在貨架上，你心裡想，同樣的價格，我想要更大的瓶子，對吧。 [08:46] And so I was confused I was I was like since when do people think dor is better than yor but and then you start drinking both and you're like oh it's like Pepsi and Coke you can't really tell the difference. 所以我很困惑，我就像，從什麼時候開始人們認為dor比yor好，但然後你開始喝兩者，你就會想，哦，這就像百事可樂和可口可樂，你真的分不出區別。 [08:57] M yeah so you go for the bigger bottle yeah more more cpg you know back to the you just want the bigger one right the bigger one for the same amount of money and and so uh back in my day back in my day if I remember it correctly yo was five bucks oh five bucks that's how old I am my age five. 嗯，是啊，所以你會選擇更大的瓶子，是啊，更多的CPG，你知道，回到那個，你只是想要更大的那個，對吧，同樣的錢買更大的那個，所以，呃，在我那個年代，在我那個年代，如果我沒記錯的話，yo是五塊錢，哦，五塊錢，這就是我有多老，我五歲的年紀。 [09:19] Bucks like eight bucks, yes, yeah, and then 像是八塊錢，對，是的，然後 [09:22] It went up to 12 recently, yeah. 最近漲到了12塊，對。 [09:25] The blue one, right about five six years ago, they went up to 12, yes, 10, $10, $12. 那個藍色的，大概五六年前，它們漲到了12塊，對，10塊、10美元、12美元。 [09:32] Yes, and then I was like, wow, you know, it took them 20, 30 years to, you know, hike the price. 對，然後我就想，哇，你知道嗎，他們花了二三十年才漲價。 [09:39] So okay, I get that, but I was the $5 kid. 所以好吧，我理解，但我以前是那個五塊錢的小孩。 [09:43] Oh $5, I don't think I'm that time, you know, I'm in like $8. 哦五塊錢，我不覺得我還是那個時候，你知道，我大概在八塊錢的階段。 [09:50] No, but it stayed $8 for a long time though. 不，但它維持八塊錢很長一段時間。 [09:52] I even can't remember when did they, you know, lie up the price to $10. 我甚至不記得他們什麼時候把價格調到十塊錢。 [09:59] I almost forgot that we probably can find it somewhere, but I don't think people want to know. 我幾乎忘了，我們大概可以在某處找到，但我不認為人們想知道。 [10:05] People don't want to know. 人們不想知道。 [10:07] So take it away, Patrick, and tell us why this Japanese company eventually came to Taiwan and start brainwashing us. 所以交給你了，派翠克，告訴我們為什麼這家日本公司最終來到台灣並開始洗腦我們。 [10:15] Yeah, it is really a brainwashing, you know, every child they think about Yak. 對，這真的是洗腦，你知道，每個孩子都想到Yak。 [10:20] Cat as a drink right, so we're going to talk about this big OG in R in part. 貓作為一種飲料，對吧，所以我們要來談談這個在R領域中的大前輩。 [10:26] Right, okay, Yak Cod is almost 90 years old next year, the brand is 90 years old. 好的，Yak Cod明年就快90歲了，這個品牌已經90年了。 [10:33] 0 years old, very very old brand, really OG right. 0歲，非常非常老的品牌，真的是元老級對吧。 [10:41] So let's talk about his founder, or maybe we'll say the one who invent the bacteria inside the yod. 所以我們來談談他的創始人，或者我們可以說是發明yod裡面細菌的那個人。 [10:53] So if you buy yod, you'll see on his bottle there's a special name of the bacteria. 所以如果你買yod，你會在他的瓶子上看到一個特殊的細菌名稱。 [11:03] Called really, yeah, that's the most important is the iconic stuff inside the Y. 叫做really，對，那就是最重要的，是Y裡面那個標誌性的東西。 [11:23] Code no way, yeah that's the. 程式碼不可能，對，那就是。 [11:29] No way, I thought it was just a difference in taste. 不可能，我以為只是口味不同。 [11:35] I don't, I, I think that's the things that they, they put it on the copy way. 我不，我，我認為那就是他們，他們用複製方式放上去的東西。 [11:42] Oh okay, so the Founder's name in English is Mr, oh sorry, not Mister, Dr. Minoru Shirota. 哦好，所以創始人的英文名字是先生，哦抱歉，不是先生，是代田稔博士。 [11:48] Oh, Minoru Shirota, okay, yeah, Minoru Shirota, he's a microbiologist, yes. 哦，代田稔，好，對，代田稔，他是微生物學家，是的。 [11:56] But I, I, I didn't know that the germ or the bacteria was named. 但我，我，我不知道那個細菌或病菌被命名了。 [12:00] Okay, calling bacteria a germ is is kind of correct and not correct. 好，稱細菌為病菌是是某種程度上對也不對。 [12:05] So guys, forgive me, I'm not a science guru. 所以各位，原諒我，我不是科學大師。 [12:08] You got you science nerds, you tell me. 你們這些科學怪咖，你們告訴我。 [12:10] You know, for me, a bacteria can be a germ and a germ it can be a bacteria, so it's vice versa. 你知道，對我來說，細菌可以是病菌，病菌也可以是細菌，所以是相反的。 [12:18] I'm a, I'm a normal guy, you know, I only had high school biology. 我是個，我是個普通人，你知道，我只上過高中生物。 [12:20] But anyways, so um, this bacteria. 但總之，所以嗯，這個細菌。 [12:26] that he found that came from the fermentation process of something right 他發現的那個來自某種發酵過程的東西。 [12:29] he cultivated and and and this bacteria 他培養了，而且，而且，而且這種細菌。 [12:34] apparently is um of benefit to the human body 顯然對人體有益。 [12:38] yes right but although you said in Chinese it's named after Dr minoru shirota 是的，沒錯，但雖然你說了中文裡它是以代田稔博士命名的。 [12:45] but technically this bacteria is not named in such a way 但嚴格來說，這種細菌並不是這樣命名的。 [12:48] oh it's got a Latin name 哦，它有一個拉丁學名。 [12:51] but there is there is a strain this this strain of bacteria was named by is called The shirota Strain 但有一個菌株，這個這個菌株被命名為代田菌株。 [13:01] but the bacteria itself is not shirota bacteria 但細菌本身並不是代田細菌。 [13:04] oh that's the difference the strain is shirota because he founded it 哦，這就是差別，菌株是代田，因為他發現了它。 [13:09] yes he can name it himself 是的，他可以自己命名。 [13:13] yes so this bacteria is called lacto bacillus KC strain shirota 是的，所以這種細菌叫做乳酸桿菌KC代田菌株。 [13:17] oh that's a hard one 哦，這個很難。 [13:21] so lacto bacillus is that main bacteria and 所以乳酸桿菌就是那種主要的細菌，而且 [13:27] The strain is Shirota, oh. 菌株是代田，哦。 [13:31] Oh yes, so that's the strain that he found. 哦，是的，那就是他發現的菌株。 [13:34] But this bacteria existed already. 但這種細菌已經存在了。 [13:37] Okay, let me patch in his kind of Chinese name. 好的，讓我插入他那種中文名字。 [13:45] I just don't know what exactly I'm saying. 我只是不知道我到底在說什麼。 [13:50] Heck, okay. 該死，好吧。 [13:53] So I think everyone will kind of wonder why will he... 所以我覺得每個人都會有點好奇為什麼他會... [13:57] Just that is because why sell it as a drink? 就是因為為什麼把它當作飲料賣？ [13:59] Why not make it into like an injection, sell it in the hospital, or like a pill or something you just swallow it or something like that? 為什麼不把它做成像是注射劑，在醫院賣，或者像藥丸之類的你直接吞下去的東西？ [14:07] But the thing is that he do this is because we have to go back to the history part. 但他這樣做的原因是因為我們必須回到歷史部分。 [14:18] Make somebody feel like stomach the flu, right? 讓某人感覺像胃流感，對吧？ [14:21] Trying not be okay, okay, yeah. 試著不要沒事，好吧，是的。 [14:25] Just so a lot of gastric issues, so. 就是這樣，很多胃部問題，所以。 [14:28] People stomach issues, maybe uh, allergies reactions. 人們有腸胃問題，也許是過敏反應。 [14:34] So again food safety issue, right? 所以又是食品安全問題，對吧？ [14:39] If food is not clean, if general hygiene is a big issue, then what do you do? 如果食物不乾淨，如果一般衛生是個大問題，那你怎麼辦？ [14:42] And when was this? 這是什麼時候的事？ [14:45] This is what, like 1920s something, the times, right? 這大概是1920年代左右，那個時代，對吧？ [14:49] Old days, okay. 舊時代，好吧。 [15:16] You know that when everyone eats something, they get stomach. 你知道當每個人都吃某樣東西時，他們會腸胃不適。 [15:19] You want them to swallow a peel or try something new? 你要他們吞下果皮還是嘗試新東西？ [15:23] Kind of be afraid of it. 有點害怕它。 [15:26] Oh, that doesn't make sense, M, because... 哦，那沒道理，M，因為…… [15:30] If you think about it in the 1930s and the 40s or the 50s, think about it, people access to medicine is very expensive, it's very hard to access medicine, yeah. 如果你仔細想想，在1930年代、40年代或50年代，人們取得藥物非常昂貴，很難獲得藥物，對吧。 [15:43] So the only way to really distribute it, make it popular amongst people, is to turn it into something they understand, yes. 所以真正推廣它、讓它在人群中普及的唯一方法，就是把它變成他們能理解的東西，沒錯。 [15:51] And that could be like a drink, a candy, or, you know, or an additive to any food. 而那可能是像飲料、糖果，或者你知道的，或是任何食物的添加物。 [15:59] So this does make sense if you want to sell something, right? 所以如果你想賣東西，這確實合理，對吧？ [16:04] If you want to promote the thing, of course the easiest way is to go about it in the most fundamental way, which is, you know, let people use it every day, yeah. 如果你想推廣這個東西，當然最簡單的方法就是用最根本的方式進行，也就是讓人們每天使用它，對。 [16:16] So that's how he kind of create Yak code. 所以這就是他創造Yak code的方式。 [16:19] So we know the history part of Yak code, but when did Le came to Taiwan, right? 所以我們知道Yak code的歷史部分，但Le是什麼時候來到台灣的，對吧？ [16:25] This time is like, uh, 1964, 30 years over. 這個時間大概是，呃，1964年，超過30年。 [16:41] Their y okay. 他們的 y 好。 [16:47] Sense O Okay interesting interesting so. 感覺 O 好有趣有趣所以。 [16:52] I wonder if John have you ever seen a a woman or a lady riding a bicycle on the Street and they have a back box that say that write yak coat on the street when I permanently moved back to Taiwan one day near my client's office I was like huh who's selling something off their bicycle so I see a lady selling something off her bicycle and I see people buying stuff from her and I'm like this is so 20th century you know what I mean like today in taipe we should buy online or we should buy at convenience stores or we get things delivered but no this is Lady selling stuff of her bicycle and then I approached her and I said hey um what are you selling and she's like oh I got. 我想知道約翰你有沒有看過一個女人或女士騎自行車在街上，他們有一個後箱寫著那個寫犛牛外套在街上，當我永久搬回台灣有一天在我客戶辦公室附近，我就像嗯誰在他們的自行車上賣東西，所以我看到一位女士在她的自行車上賣東西，我看到人們從她那裡買東西，我覺得這太20世紀了你知道我的意思嗎，就像今天在台北我們應該網上購物或我們應該在便利商店買東西或我們得到送貨上門，但不是這位女士在她的自行車上賣東西，然後我走近她說嘿嗯你在賣什麼，她就像哦我得到了。 [17:42] You know yogurt? I got Yakult. 你知道優格嗎？我買了養樂多。 [17:44] What do you want? 你想要什麼？ [17:47] And then I'm like, huh, how does this work? 然後我想，嗯，這是怎麼回事？ [17:49] And then I realized she was wearing a Yuck Cult t-shirt. 然後我發現她穿著一件「噁心教派」T恤。 [17:52] Ah yes, a Yuck Cult polo shirt, you know? 啊對，一件「噁心教派」Polo衫，你知道嗎？ [17:54] So I was like, this is your cult? 所以我說，這是你的教派？ [17:58] Are you kidding me? 你在開玩笑嗎？ [18:02] I've heard of the, you know, the Milkman in the morning, right? 我聽說過，你知道，早上的送奶工，對吧？ [18:04] The guy who rides the bicycle and delivers milk to your doorstep, yes. 那個騎腳踏車把牛奶送到你家門口的人，沒錯。 [18:08] And this Yuck Lady was the first time that I saw this. 而這位「噁心女士」是我第一次看到這種情況。 [18:11] And then that's when I first knew about this model. 然後那是我第一次知道這個模式。 [18:14] Like people can actually become a distributor of Yakult drinks or Yakult products, yes. 就像人們真的可以成為養樂多飲料或養樂多產品的經銷商，沒錯。 [18:23] So this is the so-called Yakult Ladies. 所以這就是所謂的養樂多媽媽。 [18:28] Oh yeah, Mama So Yakult Mama, yeah. 哦對，媽媽So養樂多媽媽，對。 [18:31] Okay, yeah, did you buy that time the first time you saw them? 好，對，你第一次看到他們的時候有買嗎？ [18:33] I did, I did. 我有，我有。 [18:35] It was very nice. 那很好。 [18:38] It was, you know, I was surprised. 那是，你知道，我很驚訝。 [18:41] It's just I didn't expect to see, I didn't expect to see a Yakult Lady on the streets because it... 只是我沒想到會看到，我沒想到會在街上看到養樂多媽媽，因為它…… [18:44] It's very backwards, you know, when I grew up in South Africa, ice cream guys sold ice cream off their bicycles, just like that. 這非常落後，你知道，當我在南非長大時，冰淇淋小販就那樣騎著腳踏車賣冰淇淋。 [18:47] Oh, okay. 哦，好吧。 [18:51] And then we had snack guys, we had, you know, all sorts of different people, you know, selling these little odd things off their bicycles. 然後我們有賣零食的人，我們有，你知道，各種各樣的人，你知道，騎著腳踏車賣這些奇怪的小東西。 [19:02] I understand that. 我理解。 [19:05] But in Taiwan, it's how modern are we in Taipei, and we still have these ladies riding bicycles. 但在台灣，我們在台北有多現代，卻還有這些女士騎腳踏車。 [19:11] Yeah, I would expect by now GoGo or something, but, you know, bicycle, come on. 是啊，我本來以為現在會有GoGo之類的，但，你知道，腳踏車，拜託。 [19:16] But the truth is that, uh, when I was still in Taipei, renting in like Andan, that nearby the time I sold twice, and there's very near my company. 但事實是，呃，當我還在台北時，租在像安丹那樣的地方，那附近我賣過兩次，而且離我公司很近。 [19:31] Sometimes in the noon, during the noon time, when everyone goes out to buy lunch, they will ride a bicycle and stand, I think, in front of the McDonald's. 有時候在中午，中午時間，當大家都出去買午餐時，他們會騎腳踏車，然後站在，我想，麥當勞前面。 [19:40] They will, a smart move, yeah. 他們會，這是個聰明的做法，是啊。 [19:43] A lot of guys will buy, that's a smart move. 很多人會買，那是個聰明的做法。 [19:46] Because if you stand nearby Pento restaurants, then you're at the wrong place right? 因為如果你站在Pento餐廳附近，那你就來錯地方了，對吧？ [19:53] Because people get their pantos together with yakult or whatever drinks they get. 因為人們會把他們的pantos和養樂多或他們買的任何飲料一起拿。 [19:58] So if you stand in front of McDonald's, kind of makes sense, kind of makes sense. 所以如果你站在麥當勞前面，有點道理，有點道理。 [20:01] And then if you stand in front of like a Fried Chicken store, that kind of works too. 然後如果你站在像炸雞店前面，那也說得通。 [20:06] Ramen store, Fried Chicken store, that would kind of work. 拉麵店、炸雞店，那會有點用。 [20:11] So yako ladies are still a thing in Taipei. 所以雅客女士在台北仍然存在。 [20:15] Maybe, maybe it will turn into — give it, give them another 30, 40 years, it will become cultural heritage, right? 也許，也許它會變成——再給它、再給它們30、40年，它會成為文化遺產，對吧？ [20:22] Maybe yeah, it'll be like a cultural heritage thing. 也許是啊，它會像是一種文化遺產的東西。 [20:26] We will celebrate it because it's part of our childhoods of so many generations. 我們會慶祝它，因為它是我們這麼多代人童年的一部分。 [20:29] In fact, it's almost like 60 years of yakob ladies, their team, right? 事實上，這幾乎就像60年的雅各女士，她們的團隊，對吧？ [20:34] The marketing team, yeah yeah. 行銷團隊，是啊是啊。 [20:37] You know, we miss them because, you know, we used to ignore them or take them for granted. 你知道，我們想念她們，因為，你知道，我們以前忽略她們或把她們視為理所當然。 [20:42] Now that we deliver everything to door, you feel like, uh, it's kind of weird, right? 現在我們什麼都送到家，你會覺得，呃，有點奇怪，對吧？ [20:46] You sometimes at the busy corner, uh, busy. 你有時候在繁忙的街角，呃，繁忙。 [20:49] street corners you see a yuckle lady and [20:51] you're like oh this is nice you know I [20:53] can walk and drink yeah and the truth is [20:55] that yak Cod ladies are very quite [20:58] professional [20:59] and they got a very nice and positive [21:01] Sal image [21:05] right I had a experience that because I [21:09] I made I created episode of yak cod's [21:12] Brand Story in my own podcast about [21:14] suang and the time is the first time I [21:18] got covid and I'm got P pandemic so when [21:21] I'm got my recovery and come out to the [21:24] street you know [21:28] I forgot how many days but the first [21:30] time when I come out to Street and I saw [21:33] Yak cold lady she's the first guy and [21:36] she's the first woman that I talk to [21:38] when I'm recovered so I'm very eager to [21:42] talk to someone you know I want to buy [21:44] something from her so and I asked her [21:47] because after I finished making the [21:49] episode of yako then I asked her and do [21:52] you [21:57] sell I asked her about this product so [22:00] I'm I wonder did she have this this new [22:03] one but she answered me a very [22:05] professional way say she said no Taiwan [22:09] doesn't have Yak code a thousand if you [22:11] have to buy it you have to go to Japan [22:13] so yeah so so they're very very uh very [22:17] knowledgeable about their products they [22:19] know what's also available in Japan [22:21] what's not available in Taiwan yes and [22:23] that could be the the licensing right of [22:27] that bacteria you know if you if you or [22:29] licensing of the uh manufacturing [22:32] process if you don't get license you [22:34] can't make it so [22:35] sorry all right so let me quickly uh [22:39] pitch in and just give everybody the uh [22:43] English version of the expansion to [22:45] Taiwan okay here I got some numbers uh [22:48] 1960s and70s because yakal achieved [22:52] success in Japan so they began to expand [22:54] internationally and Taiwan was their [22:56] first one of the early inter markets so [22:59] they came here and it was the expansion [23:03] strategy and also the yakult strategy to [23:06] bring health benefits of probiotics to a [23:09] broader audience because they realized [23:12] the name the idea yoga drink yogurt this [23:15] yogurt that is a dairy fermented product [23:20] right it's a dairy product that you you [23:22] ferment and then from the dairy product [23:25] you know the Mediterranean people Greek [23:27] uh uh yogurt and Europeans they know [23:30] yogurt already but in the East we have [23:32] no yogurt because dairy products are [23:34] expensive milk is super expensive so [23:37] what do we do we've got probiotic [23:40] products and so Taiwan uniquely we don't [23:43] have a lot of dairy so what do they do [23:45] they they are able to cultivate right [23:48] yakult The Strain shirota right they're [23:52] able to cultivate that and then put it [23:54] in a drink yes so this was our first [23:57] forray in into [24:01] probiotics so this probiotic drink [24:03] concept is is technically like Patrick [24:07] you said it's not new but today [24:09] probiotics it's more like a supplement [24:11] right it's in a pill it's very highly [24:14] concentrated so yakal doesn't do much [24:17] right there's there's more drink to the [24:20] probiotics if you want real probiotic [24:23] today you want concentrated pills today [24:25] but you can't take concentrated pills on [24:27] a daily basis that's just too much and [24:30] also very expensive so what do we do he [24:33] lowered the barrier of Entry to kids and [24:36] family yeah so yakal drink is still [24:38] popular today for that reason if you [24:40] can't afford expensive concentrated [24:43] probiotic pills you go for yakult the [24:45] yakult 1,000 yakult 300 whatever you can [24:48] get it's all good H yeah so in the 70s [24:52] and 80s yako then invested in Taiwan [24:55] local production facilities to ensure [24:57] the freshness quality of the product yes [25:00] and that's when they came in full [25:03] force and then yuot ladies you know like [25:07] what Patrick mentioned earlier yuot [25:09] ladies uh the door-to-door sales method [25:11] the marketing yuot ladies started to [25:13] work and it helped build a loyal [25:17] customer base but most importantly it is [25:19] through the yak ladies consistent and [25:23] persistent marketing of probiotics [25:27] gastrointestinal health so that's where [25:30] my mom heard it and your mom heard it [25:32] right these yult ladies doing The Talk [25:36] The probiotics talk it's good for the [25:39] kid's stomach M yeah yes if your kids [25:43] have constipation or you know they they [25:46] have gastrointestinal issues drink [25:49] yakult it's good for them oh yeah and [25:52] the yakult ladies served as health [25:55] education promoters [25:58] yeah and then the the the idea of this [26:01] part spread into the school and all the [26:04] school started have lunch box and Yak [26:06] code [26:08] yeah and then when kids graduate into [26:13] junior high Junior High graduate into uh [26:16] high school and then High School into [26:17] college and when you start working you [26:19] are looking for yako yeah exactly that's [26:22] what totally the yako th000 came out and [26:25] all the Japanese kind of want to buy [26:27] yako thousand because let's say they can [26:30] treat their stomach better and and make [26:33] good sleeping times or something yes it [26:36] helps with sleep apparently but if you [26:38] think about it if tomorrow they come up [26:41] with yakal 3000 people would buy it [26:43] anyway no I don't think so you know [26:46] 10,000 10,000 will have a [26:48] diarrhea that's too dangerous no so I [26:52] mean what they could add all sorts of [26:54] stuff to it you know to make it [26:56] beneficial they just have to stay in the [26:59] lane of being healthy ah yeah so it's a [27:03] small drink it's like a healthy espresso [27:07] oh for your stomach I thought of healthy [27:10] espresso drink is like Red Bull or [27:12] something but the truth is that's energy [27:15] drink that's for energy no problem [27:18] that's Red Bull but what if for what if [27:21] it's categorized as like a health drink [27:24] ah okay very different right but the [27:28] again most healthy drinks are priced at [27:32] a very high price [27:34] point yeah uh-uh I'm keeping the volume [27:38] small I'm keeping the bottle small and [27:40] I'm going to keep the price as low as [27:43] possible yeah that's very smart so [27:45] that's why nobody can beat yuck even [27:48] door door think about it door door is [27:51] bigger volume a bigger bottle but if you [27:55] look at the product itself right we [27:57] don't we have no idea whether it's a [28:00] healthier drink or not but young always [28:02] says oh I'm super healthy I've got 300 [28:05] I've got a th000 I've got 10,000 I got [28:07] 5,000 you know so they still maintain [28:10] that healthy image I'm improving my [28:12] product but do is like I'm a children's [28:14] drink oh yes and for some reason for [28:18] what reason we don't know anyways so uh [28:21] you know for us again the marketing [28:23] works sometimes and the product power [28:26] works sometimes so the rest is history [28:29] we still drink this today and we still [28:31] think and talk [28:33] about yeah and so this is part of our [28:38] culture and history already this just [28:40] amazing yeah now when Patrick is in the [28:44] house guys you know we're going to talk [28:46] about slogans oh yeah because Patrick [28:49] all day never mentioned slogans oh yeah [28:51] and actually I don't recall listening or [28:54] hearing to any slogans before yeah yeah [28:58] the true do they have slogans I kind of [29:00] search on the Google but I don't know I [29:03] think they they kind of separate in [29:05] different countries maybe some of the [29:07] countries have their slogans of yak Cod [29:10] so I found two like English versions [29:13] logo a slogan uh the first one I I [29:16] really like this one they say good [29:18] health begins inside good health begins [29:22] inside yeah inside your stomach inside [29:24] your body right the the idea so this is [29:28] perfect slogan for moms oh yeah good [29:30] health begins inside yeah so your kids [29:33] in diapers you know having stomach [29:35] problems you don't want that so good [29:38] health begins Inside Yes it makes sense [29:41] I think this is a a very big seller to [29:44] moms good for me I think moms would go [29:47] crazy for this any other slogans or [29:50] marketing lines okay uh another one I [29:54] think that kind of referred to the the [29:57] founder that [29:59] because Dr Shir yeah the Shir the way [30:03] the time he create this this yako stuff [30:07] is because that he wants everyone to be [30:10] healthy without having stomach so the [30:13] slogan this one this version is called [30:16] bringing good health to all bringing [30:19] good health to all wow Visionary sounds [30:23] like [30:24] wh health for all right Health but this [30:27] is bringing good Health to all people [30:29] yes that makes sense that's like the [30:32] motto or the core value of this product [30:35] yes okay but now my question is okay [30:39] Patrick do you feel that yakult is [30:41] actually healthy or not do you really [30:43] care I don't really care but you know [30:47] when when I'm in childhood when I'm in [30:49] childhood I don't care about the [30:50] healthiness I don't care about how how [30:52] healthy he would give me anything the [30:55] things that I like is because of his [30:57] taste it's very very sweet you know kids [31:00] like sweet yes yeah so technically in my [31:04] view really what exactly are we doing [31:07] here with yakult is really good for your [31:09] stomach or not I can't really tell but [31:12] there's one thing for sure my wife [31:15] whenever she feels a little you know [31:17] bloated or constipated she will think [31:19] about yakult that's how powerful yakult [31:22] is and does it work I guess it kind of [31:25] works but to me wouldn't a higher [31:29] concentration yakult work better I mean [31:31] I that's why at my house we always have [31:34] yakal 300 oh we assume that 300 meaning [31:38] more okay isn't that a psychological [31:42] effect maybe it's a psychological thing [31:45] I don't know but again the original red [31:48] bottle is a little too sweet for my [31:52] liking now for my taste right now it's a [31:54] little too sweet so I usually buy those [31:57] and I add it in let's say my tea or [32:00] something I make a green tea door out of [32:03] it yeah okay and or or black tea Doo out [32:07] of it you know just to add to the flavor [32:09] you can sort of DIY at home you don't [32:11] have to go to the bubble tea stores yeah [32:13] um but the blue ones are our favorites [32:16] we stick to the blue ones okay talking [32:18] about the products there's a new one I [32:21] don't know if John notice like two [32:23] months ago or three months ago I found a [32:26] new kind of package a new design bottle [32:30] of Y coat in [32:35] pxm a totally different kind of a bigger [32:38] bottle of yak coat and also red one but [32:41] a dark yeah a dark color of red and the [32:45] bottle looks different though yeah this [32:47] look different but and I I bought I more [32:50] like a milk bottle now yeah and like a [32:52] milk can yeah bigger one it's like the [32:57] size it's similar to and I bought them [33:00] to drink okay and uh The Taste is more [33:04] sour even sour more sour than the blue [33:07] one so if you think if you also think [33:10] the blue one are too sweet to you maybe [33:12] you can try the new one okay but when [33:15] you say sour do you mean sour in a good [33:18] way or or sour like yuck it's not I [33:23] think a a little bit sour but not so [33:26] yucky you know okay so more on the [33:29] yogurt side right more yogurt flavored [33:31] less drink like M yes and how much uh [33:36] one I think1 15 or [33:39] $16 for a bottle a bottle 15 NT 16 NT [33:43] for a bigger bottle okay still [33:46] competitive still accessible I think but [33:49] would you drink it like I would always [33:51] drink the smaller bottles in one go it's [33:54] like that's my yakult shot you know [33:58] I don't usually you know take little [34:00] sips I I just down it okay so this big a [34:03] bottle do you think you can down it I [34:05] used to down it like you the way you [34:07] done to other blue one or red but but [34:10] the this one because I mentioned that is [34:12] more sour so I think I will stop it in [34:14] the [34:15] middle all right so you know what I'm [34:18] definitely going to see if the Yule [34:19] ladies on the street have this I I am [34:22] curious if they also carry this in their [34:25] stock I will go buy one and I'll let you [34:27] know I give you feedback on this so guys [34:30] if you are listening to this episode [34:31] right now and you you access uh to [34:34] pxmart nearby go run to the store now [34:37] and see if you can get hold of this have [34:39] a sip and comment down below using the [34:41] comment link and tell us whether you [34:43] think this will replace your childhood D [34:46] or Yang flavors if you think this is [34:49] going to be the next yakal killer let us [34:52] know okay and we will take a poll [34:59] okay different generations to give a [35:01] poll right and then maybe we can send it [35:03] to yak and say here's our [35:07] poll thumbs up or thumbs down I think ad [35:11] will give the new one a thumb up thumbs [35:14] up you think yeah because a lot of [35:16] people when they grow up they don't like [35:18] so sweet so maybe this one will get [35:21] there okay okay and you know what I'm [35:23] going to buy a few and I'm going to see [35:25] you know how my wife responds to it as [35:27] well oh okay yeah because you know [35:30] ladies they they get tend to get bloated [35:33] a lot so if they get bloated they take a [35:36] drink and if it's more effective than [35:38] Doo or uh Yang 300 we moving on [35:43] ahead okay yeah so guys thank you that's [35:47] all the time we got for you today and [35:50] just like we said go and try the new [35:52] products out and leave us a comment down [35:54] below and we love all your messages [35:56] thank you and keep them coming we love [35:59] hearing from you and we want to hear [36:01] your opinions as well so we can share it [36:03] with the rest of the 15 minutes family [36:05] so until next time you guys that's 15 [36:09] min Cafe today with John and Patrick we [36:12] will see you in the next episode bye-bye [36:15] bye-bye