Daughters Lead Police To Mother's Dead Body
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[00:00] You all right, babe?
[00:03] You all right, babe?
[00:03] The door was locked in the room.
[00:05] The door was locked in the room.
[00:05] Yeah.
[00:06] Yeah.
[00:06] And
[00:07] And
[00:07] Okay. Can you sit right here for me?
[00:09] Okay. Can you sit right here for me?
[00:09] These are the two daughters [music]
[00:11] These are the two daughters [music] of 28-year-old Ashley Fish.
[00:15] of 28-year-old Ashley Fish.
[00:15] In just a few seconds, they're going to lead the officer to their mother's lifeless body inside the [music] bathroom.
[00:17] few seconds, they're going to lead the officer to their mother's lifeless body
[00:19] officer to their mother's lifeless body inside the [music] bathroom.
[00:21] inside the [music] bathroom.
[00:21] Eggs were burning and she's in there.
[00:31] And as the oldest daughter bravely guides her siblings to safety, police are still unsure whether this was self-inflicted or if there's a killer on the loose.
[00:33] And as the oldest daughter bravely guides her siblings to safety, police
[00:35] guides her siblings to safety, police are still unsure whether this was
[00:37] are still unsure whether this was self-inflicted or if there's a killer on
[00:39] self-inflicted or if there's a killer on the loose. But they'd eventually discover that Ashley's killer is closer to home than anybody expected, pulling investigators into one of the most tragic domestic dispute cases the state of Louisiana has ever seen.
[00:41] the loose. But they'd eventually discover that Ashley's killer is closer
[00:44] discover that Ashley's killer is closer to home than anybody expected, pulling
[00:47] to home than anybody expected, pulling investigators into one of the most
[00:49] investigators into one of the most tragic domestic dispute cases the state
[00:51] tragic domestic dispute cases the state of Louisiana has ever seen.
[00:54] of Louisiana has ever seen.
[00:54] Is she Is she alive? No, she's not.
[00:56] Is she Is she alive? No, she's not.
[00:56] They're young.
[00:57] They're young.
[00:57] Yeah, he done a number on her, that's for sure.
[00:59] Yeah, he done a number on her, that's for sure.
[00:59] I wanted him to leave. Get out there.
[01:01] I wanted him to leave.
[01:01] Get out there.
[01:01] Leave the girls alone.
[01:03] I said I just shoot you.
[01:04] shoot you.
[01:06] I don't even know.
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[01:23] On a quiet April evening in the small city of Derritter, Louisiana, police receive a terrifying 911 call.
[01:31] But what would shock the dispatcher is the eerie calmness of the caller.
[01:36] 911. Where's your emergency?
[01:39] 911. Where's your emergency?
[01:39] Hi, I need to report a crime.
[01:41] Hi, I need to report a crime.
[01:41] Hey, what's the address?
[01:42] Hey, what's the address?
[01:42] 265 Northridge Drive, Cinder, Louisiana.
[01:48] 265 Northridge Drive, Cinder, Louisiana.
[01:48] Stay on the line.
[01:50] Log home with us.
[01:53] Thank you.
[01:53] At this moment, the caller hangs up, leaving officers worried he might be in immediate danger.
[01:58] Officer Josh Stanford rushes to the reported address, unaware that he's only moments
[02:02] address, unaware that he's only moments away from discovering a scene more disturbing than he could ever imagine.
[02:16] You all right, babe?
[02:19] You all right, babe?
[02:19] The door was locked in the room.
[02:22] Yeah.
[02:22] And
[02:24] Okay. Can you sit right here for me?
[02:25] Is anybody in there?
[02:28] Um, no. My sisters are inside right there.
[02:30] Yeah.
[02:32] Okay.
[02:33] And we got
[02:33] I was scared the eggs were burning and she's in there.
[02:37] Yeah.
[02:38] Okay. Y'all come in here. Come here. Come right here.
[02:39] No, I don't want to go.
[02:46] Come here. Stay in here. Stay in here.
[02:46] 254 city.
[02:48] The woman has a single bullet wound to the right side of her head and appears to have been dead for some time.
[02:55] Yet, the male collar is nowhere to be found.
[03:00] But then, the officer remembers there are still four young girls nearby who
[03:03] are still four young girls nearby who have just lost their mother.
[03:08] Come here.
[03:10] Come here.
[03:10] Come here.
[03:13] Come here.
[03:13] We're all alone.
[03:13] Come help me.
[03:18] Come help me.
[03:20] Come help me.
[03:20] Do you know these children?
[03:21] children?
[03:21] Yes, there are neighbors here.
[03:23] Yes, there are neighbors here.
[03:23] Okay.
[03:24] Okay.
[03:24] Yeah.
[03:24] Like Maddie, come help me.
[03:27] Yeah.
[03:27] Like Maddie, come help me.
[03:27] You got parents here?
[03:29] You got parents here?
[03:29] Yes.
[03:30] Yes.
[03:30] Huh?
[03:31] Huh?
[03:31] Can you take them to a secure place for me?
[03:33] Can you take them to a secure place for me?
[03:36] me?
[03:36] Was there anybody else here, baby?
[03:38] Was there anybody else here, baby?
[03:38] I don't think so.
[03:38] I don't know.
[03:42] I don't think so.
[03:42] I don't know.
[03:42] In an unimaginable act of courage, the eldest daughter guides her younger siblings to safety, leading them to the neighbor's house.
[03:45] In an unimaginable act of courage, the eldest daughter guides her younger siblings to safety, leading them to the neighbor's house.
[03:46] eldest daughter guides her younger siblings to safety, leading them to the neighbor's house.
[03:49] siblings to safety, leading them to the neighbor's house.
[03:49] The neighbor bravely takes in the four traumatized children, who would later turn out to be instrumental to the investigation.
[03:51] neighbor's house.
[03:51] The neighbor bravely takes in the four traumatized children, who would later turn out to be instrumental to the investigation.
[03:53] [music] takes in the four traumatized children, who would later turn out to be instrumental to the investigation.
[03:54] children, who would later turn out to be instrumental to the investigation.
[03:57] instrumental to the investigation.
[03:57] Officers head back inside to try to locate the caller, completely unaware that he's the one who pulled the
[03:59] Officers head back inside to try to locate the caller, completely unaware that he's the one who pulled the
[04:01] locate the caller, completely unaware that he's the one who pulled the
[04:03] that he's the one who pulled the trigger.
[04:04] trigger.
[04:04] Is there one victim or two?
[04:06] Is there one victim or two?
[04:06] I am at I'm at North Bridge
[04:09] I am at I'm at North Bridge
[04:09] city. Do I have one victim or two?
[04:11] city. Do I have one victim or two?
[04:11] So, we need to clear the rest of the
[04:13] So, we need to clear the rest of the
[04:13] house. I have not I'm under the
[04:14] house. I have not I'm under the impression there was a male here, too.
[04:22] City police.
[04:26] See, please go right.
[04:29] See, please go right.
[04:29] Police department.
[04:33] [snorts]
[04:36] See, when the glass was on the phone
[04:37] See, when the glass was on the phone with him, I was under the impression
[04:39] with him, I was under the impression there was a male subject that had had
[04:42] there was a male subject that had had been shot.
[04:42] been shot.
[04:42] Look out in the backyard.
[04:47] What's that? A smell.
[04:49] What's that? A smell.
[04:49] The eggs were burning.
[04:49] The eggs were burning.
[04:49] Oh, they cook. Oh, okay.
[04:50] Oh, they cook. Oh, okay.
[04:50] Where's she at? She's in that bathroom.
[04:53] Where's she at? She's in that bathroom.
[04:53] Oh, here.
[04:55] Oh, here.
[04:55] Everything else cleared. Everything else
[04:56] Everything else cleared. Everything else is clear.
[04:57] is clear.
[04:57] Officers find no one else inside,
[05:00] Officers find no one else inside, leaving them still in the [music] dark
[05:02] leaving them still in the [music] dark about who the caller really is. They'd
[05:05] about who the caller really is.
[05:07] They'd further look into the victim's injuries further look into the victim's injuries and quickly realize there was almost no imminent struggle, leaving officers questioning whether the injuries may have been self-inflicted.
[05:14] But before anything else, they still need to identify the victim.
[05:21] And this is when the officer would make a devastating discovery.
[05:25] One that would turn this into a far more personal case.
[05:28] I don't I didn't want to wait till you got here before I started trying to find an ID or anything.
[05:33] Let me
[05:33] Hey, you want to turn the stove off?
[05:35] Yes.
[05:41] Ashley Fish.
[05:43] Nobody else.
[05:46] You said uh kids were in the or they're they're across the street.
[05:49] Ashley Fish.
[05:52] I I'm assuming young based off of what I'm seeing here to school with her.
[05:58] Did you?
[05:59] Yeah.
[06:02] So, she's from East Borg.
[06:03] Yeah, they moved away.
[06:04] She came the Josh fish.
[06:05] She came the Josh fish.
[06:05] No, I don't think so.
[06:07] No, I don't think so.
[06:07] She's your age, though.
[06:08] She's your age, though.
[06:08] Or yeah, graduated together.
[06:11] Yeah, graduated together.
[06:11] So, we're about the same.
[06:13] about the same.
[06:13] Lead detective [__] immediately recognizes the name 28-year-old Ashley Fish.
[06:18] recognizes the name 28-year-old Ashley Fish.
[06:18] He knew Ashley as a Ditter local, someone who married her high school sweetheart and had only recently moved back to Louisiana from Texas.
[06:24] someone who married her high school sweetheart and had only recently moved back to Louisiana from Texas.
[06:24] Determined to find answers and uncover who murdered his friend, he turns to the neighbors for more information.
[06:31] to find answers and uncover who murdered his friend, he turns to the neighbors for more information.
[06:31] Meanwhile, other officers begin reviewing neighborhood CCTV footage, searching for anyone who may have been at the house besides Ashley and the children.
[06:38] officers begin reviewing neighborhood CCTV footage, searching for anyone who may have been at the house besides Ashley and the children.
[06:38] And they're about to discover that someone else was indeed inside.
[06:44] Ashley and the children.
[06:44] And they're about to discover that someone else was indeed inside.
[06:47] about to discover that someone else was indeed inside.
[06:47] Someone who is already on the run.
[06:51] indeed inside.
[06:51] Someone who is already on the run.
[06:53] the run.
[06:53] Detective Couper.
[06:56] Detective Couper.
[06:56] Jeff Brown.
[06:56] Nice to meet you, sir.
[06:58] Jeff Brown.
[06:58] Nice to meet you, sir.
[06:58] Yes, sir.
[06:58] Yes, sir.
[06:58] Hey, y'all mind if I ask you a couple questions real quick?
[07:00] Hey, y'all mind if I ask you a couple questions real quick?
[07:00] Yeah, you can ask me anything, but I really didn't see anything.
[07:01] questions real quick?
[07:01] Yeah, you can ask me anything, but I really didn't see anything.
[07:03] Yeah, you can ask me anything, but I really didn't see anything.
[07:03] The only one that saw anything is my son.
[07:04] really didn't see anything.
[07:04] The only one that saw anything is my son.
[07:04] Your son,
[07:06] that saw anything is my son.
[07:06] Your son, the one that was mowing.
[07:07] the one that was mowing.
[07:07] He was mowing out here.
[07:10] Okay.
[07:10] What's your buddy?
[07:13] Detective Coup.
[07:13] Nice to meet you.
[07:17] Heard you kind of saw some stuff.
[07:17] Just a little bit.
[07:20] Not much, but you seen some uh something happened next door.
[07:24] Uh, well, I was just mowing a line and then
[07:32] I saw um like the car of the river leave.
[07:33] leave.
[07:33] Lining up with what the boy saw, another neighbor offers ring camera footage
[07:38] showing a black truck leaving Ashley's house just minutes before the 911 call.
[07:43] Desperate to learn who was driving that truck, officers turn to the next neighbor.
[07:47] Unaware they're about to speak with the victim's best friend
[07:51] and is someone who knows exactly who the driver is.
[07:56] What's that?
[07:56] The girls are at my house.
[07:58] Can you tell us what's going on?
[08:00] It's not good.
[08:01] Is she Is she alive?
[08:02] No, she's not.
[08:04] Um,
[08:06] was she shot?
[08:06] Yes, she was she was out here earlier when
[08:10] she was she was out here earlier when about 5:00 or so.
[08:10] I saw her out here.
[08:12] about 5:00 or so.
[08:12] I saw her out here.
[08:12] Everything seemed fine.
[08:14] There was a a truck.
[08:14] She has a significant other.
[08:16] truck.
[08:16] She has a significant other.
[08:16] She's going through a divorce.
[08:20] Um and they're legally separated, but he was here.
[08:21] they're legally separated, but he was here.
[08:21] The truck black truck was here.
[08:23] here.
[08:23] The truck black truck was here.
[08:24] Yes, ma'am.
[08:24] Yes, ma'am.
[08:24] Do you think he shot her?
[08:25] Do you think he shot her?
[08:25] Well, I can't I can't tell you a whole lot.
[08:27] lot.
[08:27] Uh so, as long as the children are safe with you for now, we'll we'll take care of it.
[08:30] safe with you for now, we'll we'll take care of it.
[08:32] care of it.
[08:32] As far as I know, her Gosh, I'm assuming that it was T.
[08:34] Okay.
[08:34] Tyler was the person that was here.
[08:36] Um I don't know if that was his truck.
[08:39] that was his truck.
[08:39] usually drives a black truck.
[08:41] Um, and then her husband's name is John, John Fish.
[08:44] black truck.
[08:44] Um, and then her husband's name is John, John Fish.
[08:46] name is John, John Fish.
[08:48] She would go on to identify their main suspect as 34year-old Tyler Durachowski, Ashley's new boyfriend.
[08:51] suspect as 34year-old Tyler Durachowski, Ashley's new boyfriend.
[08:53] Detectives immediately begin digging into his history, gathering anything they can find and working to locate him as quickly as possible.
[08:55] into his history, gathering anything they can find and working to locate him as quickly as possible.
[08:57] they can find and working to locate him as quickly as possible.
[08:59] as quickly as possible.
[08:59] But just as they're about to begin the manhunt, another 911 call comes in, and it's from the killer himself.
[09:01] they're about to begin the manhunt, another 911 call comes in, and it's from the killer himself.
[09:03] another 911 call comes in, and it's from the killer himself.
[09:06] Hi, I uh I need to
[09:10] the killer himself.
[09:10] Hi, I uh I need to turn myself into the police.
[09:11] turn myself into the police.
[09:12] Okay.
[09:12] I don't know how to do this.
[09:13] I don't know how to do this.
[09:13] Are you wanted?
[09:14] Are you wanted?
[09:14] Do you have an active warrant?
[09:15] warrant?
[09:15] No, I just committed a crime.
[09:16] No, I just committed a crime.
[09:16] Okay. What crime did you commit?
[09:18] Okay. What crime did you commit?
[09:18] I shot somebody.
[09:19] I shot somebody.
[09:19] Okay. Where are you located?
[09:20] Okay. Where are you located?
[09:20] I'm at Burks Outlet in Ditter.
[09:24] I'm at Burks Outlet in Ditter.
[09:24] Um I'm in the parking lot and I just am going to wait here to get picked up.
[09:26] the parking lot and I just am going to wait here to get picked up.
[09:28] wait here to get picked up.
[09:28] Okay. Who Who did you shoot?
[09:30] Okay. Who Who did you shoot?
[09:30] A woman.
[09:31] A woman.
[09:31] Okay. What is her name?
[09:32] Okay. What is her name?
[09:32] Ashley Fish.
[09:35] Ashley Fish.
[09:35] Officers rushed to the address he gave, an empty parking lot.
[09:38] address he gave, an empty parking lot.
[09:38] Still baffled as to why he confessed and why it took him so long to come forward.
[09:41] Still baffled as to why he confessed and why it took him so long to come forward.
[09:44] why it took him so long to come forward.
[09:44] Knowing he likely killed the woman in front of her children, they braced themselves, fully expecting anything to go wrong at any moment or even an ambush.
[09:46] Knowing he likely killed the woman in front of her children, they braced themselves, fully expecting anything to go wrong at any moment or even an ambush.
[09:48] front of her children, they braced themselves, fully expecting anything to go wrong at any moment or even an ambush.
[09:50] themselves, fully expecting anything to go wrong at any moment or even an ambush.
[09:53] go wrong at any moment or even an ambush.
[09:54] ambush.
[09:54] The suspect is going to be in first parking lot.
[09:56] The suspect is going to be in first parking lot.
[10:07] Okay. So, the easiest way to do this is sit down on your foot.
[10:09] Okay. So, the easiest way to do this is sit down on your foot.
[10:10] Sit down on your foot.
[10:10] Yes.
[10:10] And just turn your legs in.
[10:10] Okay.
[10:17] If you want to go,
[10:19] If you want to go, are you out with that subject at first?
[10:21] Are you out with that subject at first?
[10:21] Can I hit you?
[10:22] Can I hit you?
[10:25] With the main suspect arrested, officers have no idea the investigation is moments away from taking another unexpected turn.
[10:27] Have no idea the investigation is moments away from taking another unexpected turn.
[10:29] Moments away from taking another unexpected turn.
[10:32] When they search his vehicle, they find no weapons, but they do find multiple prescription drugs, vials of testosterone, and syringes.
[10:35] Vehicle, they find no weapons, but they do find multiple prescription drugs, vials of testosterone, and syringes.
[10:37] Do find multiple prescription drugs, vials of testosterone, and syringes.
[10:41] To their surprise, Tyler seems unusually calm for someone who just took a life.
[10:44] Their surprise, Tyler seems unusually calm for someone who just took a life.
[10:46] Calm for someone who just took a life.
[10:48] And it would quickly become obvious that this calm, [music] controlled demeanor is part of a plan.
[10:49] This calm, [music] controlled demeanor is part of a plan.
[10:53] Controlled demeanor is part of a plan.
[10:53] A plan to get away with murder.
[10:56] Plan to get away with murder.
[10:57] If you're still comfortable talking to me, can you tell me a little bit about what happened?
[10:58] Me, can you tell me a little bit about what happened?
[11:00] What happened?
[11:00] Okay.
[11:00] This woman and I got in an altercation last night.
[11:01] Got in an altercation last night.
[11:01] Things were kind of falling out between the two of us just relationally and I was getting ready to move back to Oregon.
[11:03] Were kind of falling out between the two of us just relationally and I was getting ready to move back to Oregon.
[11:04] And I was getting ready to move back to Oregon.
[11:06] Getting ready to move back to Oregon.
[11:06] So, she pulled out she had a gun in her drawer.
[11:08] She had a gun in her drawer.
[11:08] She loaded it and was pointing
[11:10] drawer.
[11:14] She loaded it and was pointing it at me and we started fighting and it went off.
[11:15] went off.
[11:17] Tyler insists he shot Ashley in self-defense after she pulled the pistol on him immediately complicating the investigation.
[11:20] self-defense after she pulled the pistol on him immediately complicating the investigation.
[11:22] on him immediately complicating the investigation.
[11:24] investigation. Once he's brought into the station, officers relay this information to the team at the scene, who would begin searching for anything that might support his claim.
[11:26] the station, officers relay this information to the team at the scene, who would begin searching for anything that might support his claim.
[11:27] information to the team at the scene, who would begin searching for anything that might support his claim.
[11:29] who would begin searching for anything that might support his claim.
[11:31] that might support his claim. And unexpectedly, they do find one piece of evidence in Tyler's favor.
[11:34] unexpectedly, they do find one piece of evidence in Tyler's favor.
[11:36] evidence in Tyler's favor. The murder weapon itself.
[11:39] weapon itself.
[11:41] Here's what I've I've got right now. I know you got a lot of information coming in.
[11:42] know you got a lot of information coming in.
[11:43] in. Cameron has got the suspect, Tyler Gabowski, over at uh at Park Terrace.
[11:45] Cameron has got the suspect, Tyler Gabowski, over at uh at Park Terrace.
[11:46] Gabowski, over at uh at Park Terrace.
[11:47] over at uh at Park Terrace.
[11:49] at Park Terrace. He gave himself up without any problems.
[11:50] without any problems.
[11:54] And he told y'all that he did. Yeah.
[11:55] You see the hair in it?
[11:56] Yes.
[11:58] I've called in the serial number. It's going to be a Smith and Wesson.
[12:00] going to be a Smith and Wesson.
[12:01] She been here for a minute.
[12:03] If I had to guess, I mean, cuz she's still having some coming out of the wound.
[12:06] still having some coming out of the wound. She's still pretty warm.
[12:08] wound. She's still pretty warm. If I had to guess, I'd say it's been between 45
[12:10] to guess, I'd say it's been between 45 minutes and an hour and 20.
[12:13] minutes and an hour and 20.
[12:13] What time?
[12:14] That sitting right there.
[12:14] Yes.
[12:16] All right. So, once they run the strip, we back out.
[12:18] we back out.
[12:19] more totally
[12:21] totally 40.
[12:23] 40.
[12:25] Detectives still find no evidence of a struggle, but they do discover something unexpected.
[12:29] After running the gun's serial number, it comes back not to Tyler, but to Ashley herself, meaning his version of events may not be entirely false.
[12:37] his version of events may not be entirely false.
[12:40] And with that, investigators begin to grasp just how little physical evidence actually ties Tyler to the shooting.
[12:45] little physical evidence actually ties Tyler to the shooting.
[12:47] They then finish processing the scene, send Ashley's body for autopsy, and her phone for forensic examiners to be unlocked.
[12:52] for autopsy, and her phone for forensic examiners to be unlocked.
[12:54] Shortly afterwards, the grandparents arrive at the scene to pick up the four traumatized children into their care.
[12:57] the scene to pick up the four traumatized children into their care.
[13:00] It's at this point that it becomes clear.
[13:01] The oldest daughter witnessed something she will wish she never had.
[13:04] something she will wish she never had.
[13:09] I've got some grapes.
[13:10] Ooh.
[13:10] And some strawberries.
[13:13] And some strawberries.
[13:13] Yummy.
[13:13] Yummy.
[13:13] Yummy.
[13:13] Are y'all hungry?
[13:16] Yummy.
[13:16] Are y'all hungry?
[13:16] The one you want to talk to is
[13:18] want to talk to is
[13:18] Yeah.
[13:21] Yeah.
[13:21] She supposedly told my wife that she saw something and she didn't want to
[13:23] she saw something and she didn't want to talk about it.
[13:25] talk about it.
[13:25] Hey, my baby.
[13:32] I'm going to pick you up.
[13:38] This brings a small sense of relief to
[13:40] This brings a small sense of relief to the officers knowing the children are finally away from the horrors inside.
[13:42] the officers knowing the children are finally away from the horrors inside.
[13:45] finally away from the horrors inside.
[13:45] But now comes the most difficult part.
[13:47] But now comes the most difficult part.
[13:47] Calling Ashley's ex-husband Jon and informing him that she is dead.
[13:50] Calling Ashley's ex-husband Jon and informing him that she is dead.
[13:50] Lead detective [music] Kulie asks Jon to come to the station for questioning as soon as possible.
[13:53] informing him that she is dead.
[13:53] Lead detective [music] Kulie asks Jon to come to the station for questioning as soon
[13:55] detective [music] Kulie asks Jon to come to the station for questioning as soon
[13:55] as possible.
[13:57] as possible.
[13:57] And while Tyler anxiously waits for his chance to speak, [music] detectives make a deliberate decision to start with Jon instead.
[13:59] And while Tyler anxiously waits for his chance to speak, [music]
[14:01] waits for his chance to speak, [music]
[14:01] detectives make a deliberate decision to start with Jon instead.
[14:03] detectives make a deliberate decision to start with Jon instead.
[14:03] But the longer Tyler waits, the more agitated he becomes.
[14:06] start with Jon instead.
[14:06] But the longer Tyler waits, the more agitated he becomes.
[14:09] Tyler waits, the more agitated he becomes.
[14:09] And by the time they will finally sit down with him, he will snap.
[14:11] becomes.
[14:11] And by the time they will finally sit down with him, he will snap.
[14:14] finally sit down with him, he will snap.
[14:14] I've never had someone do that to me.
[14:16] I've never had someone do that to me.
[14:16] I've never had someone get that mad at me that they load a weapon.
[14:20] me that they load a weapon.
[14:20] One hour after Ashley's deceased body was discovered, [music] Jon arrives at the station.
[14:24] was discovered, [music] Jon arrives at the station.
[14:24] Jon explains that he and Ashley were together for over a decade.
[14:27] the station. Jon explains that he and Ashley were together for over a decade.
[14:27] They had their first child young and went on to raise four beautiful daughters.
[14:29] Ashley were together for over a decade.
[14:29] They had their first child young and went on to raise four beautiful daughters.
[14:31] They had their first child young and went on to raise four beautiful daughters.
[14:31] For the detective, one question matters most.
[14:33] went on to raise four beautiful daughters.
[14:33] For the detective, one question matters most.
[14:33] What does Jon think of Tyler?
[14:35] daughters. For the detective, one question matters most.
[14:35] What does Jon think of Tyler?
[14:35] Is he capable of hurting Ashley?
[14:38] question matters most. What does Jon think of Tyler? Is he capable of hurting Ashley?
[14:38] Or was he simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?
[14:40] think of Tyler? Is he capable of hurting Ashley? Or was he simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?
[14:40] But before that, something else weighs heavily on Jon.
[14:42] Ashley? Or was he simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?
[14:42] But before that, something else weighs heavily on Jon.
[14:45] place at the wrong time? But before that, something else weighs heavily on Jon.
[14:45] He still has to explain to his daughters [music] why they will never hear their mother's voice again.
[14:47] that, something else weighs heavily on Jon.
[14:47] He still has to explain to his daughters [music] why they will never hear their mother's voice again.
[14:49] Jon. He still has to explain to his daughters [music] why they will never hear their mother's voice again.
[14:49] I just want to let them know that she's no longer with us.
[14:50] daughters [music] why they will never hear their mother's voice again.
[14:50] I just want to let them know that she's no longer with us.
[14:53] why they will never hear their mother's voice again.
[14:53] I just want to let them know that she's no longer with us.
[14:53] Mom's no longer with us.
[14:58] I just want to let them know that she's no longer with us.
[14:58] Mom's no longer with us.
[14:58] You know, she, you know, she's angel now.
[15:00] no longer with us. Mom's no longer with us.
[15:00] You know, she, you know, she's angel now.
[15:02] us. Mom's no longer with us.
[15:02] You know, she, you know, she's angel now.
[15:04] You know, she, you know, she's angel now.
[15:04] Yeah. the six-year-old and the four-year-old, they don't know, you know, they're kind of like, "Oh, she's an angel."
[15:05] now. >> Yeah. the six-year-old and the four-year-old, they don't know, you know, they're kind of like, "Oh, she's an angel."
[15:05] They're going to talk a little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:07] >>> Yeah. the six-year-old and the four-year-old, they don't know, you know, they're kind of like, "Oh, she's an angel."
[15:07] They're going to talk a little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:09] four-year-old, they don't know, you know, they're kind of like, "Oh, she's an angel."
[15:09] They're going to talk a little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:10] an angel." They're going to talk a little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:11] They're going to talk a little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:13] little bit about it and they're more concerned about how she's flying and
[15:14] concerned about how she's flying and everything, you know, everything, you know, right?
[15:17] right? I don't know what she's seen and not but that's got me real been out of shape, you know?
[15:22] you know? On that devastating note, the detective would shift the conversation to [music] the final moments leading up to Ashley's death.
[15:30] Tragically, Ashley seemed to sense that Tyler might harm her.
[15:35] And just moments before she died, she would make her final cry for help.
[15:39] When I see that, he's calling what runs in my head.
[15:42] And it's great. We got some bull bull crap. We got some bull crap.
[15:46] They're they're in some kind of argument and they're trying to drag me into this.
[15:49] And I don't want to be part of your drama.
[15:53] I don't want to be part of your drama. Nothing in the past has ever felt like [music] there was anybody in danger.
[15:57] Talk to my kids. The kids never tell me anything's going bad around the house, so I'm not really feeling too in and through all this time, you know.
[16:06] I text back, I'm not trying to get in y'all's drama.
[16:08] That's when she texts. He won't leave. I know.
[16:11] As soon as I got that, when I actually looked and seen
[16:15] that, when I actually looked and seen that he's not leaving, I called
[16:18] that he's not leaving, I called and she's like, "Hello."
[16:19] and she's like, "Hello."
[16:19] And and the first thing I go, "What's going on?
[16:22] He's mad cuz he's he's got to leave.
[16:24] Am I and I I said, "Are my kids okay?
[16:26] Are my kids safe?"
[16:27] She's like, "Yes."
[16:27] cuz I was a little concerned but I wasn't like super
[16:30] I'm I'm just ready for him to leave like hung up and then I text her said talk to my kids please
[16:31] him to leave like hung up and then I text her said talk to my kids please
[16:33] at 6:55 I just couldn't get a hold of her and I was like this is weird
[16:35] please at 6:55 I just couldn't get a hold of her and I was like this is weird
[16:38] this is just you know it was just odd
[16:40] this is just you know it was just odd
[16:43] this is the moment at 6:55 p.m.
[16:47] this is the moment at 6:55 p.m.
[16:47] John lost all contact with Ashley and with it the hope of ever rebuilding a future with her.
[16:50] John lost all contact with Ashley and with it the hope of ever rebuilding a future with her.
[16:53] Shortly thereafter, Detective Kulie wraps up his interview with Jon, who has made one thing clear.
[16:56] future with her.
[16:56] Shortly thereafter, Detective Kulie wraps up his interview with Jon, who has made one thing clear.
[16:58] with Jon, who has made one thing clear.
[17:01] Ashley was a loving mother, incapable of harming anyone,
[17:04] and she deserves justice.
[17:05] and she deserves justice.
[17:09] Still not ready to begin Tyler's interrogation.
[17:11] Fully aware that physical evidence against him is alarmingly weak,
[17:13] the detective instead brings in Ashley's
[17:18] the detective instead brings in Ashley's other relatives to give their statements, hoping to better understand Tyler's character and whether he truly is a cold-blooded murderer.
[17:25] And it doesn't take long for one thing to become clear.
[17:31] Every one of them deeply distrusted Tyler to the point of even threatening his life, fearing he might one day snap and hurt Ashley.
[17:39] You know, I did threaten him.
[17:41] You know, I wanted him to leave.
[17:43] Get out there. Leave the girls alone.
[17:45] you know, I said I just should, you know, but I didn't, you know, and I went home and my wife and and and my daughter, you know, they talked some sense into, you know, but I mean, thoughts cross my mind hundreds of times now, you know, if I had carried that out, I know it's bad, but they had the moment.
[17:56] He's there and he comes out and I think he shook my hand and I'm like, you know, how you nice to meet you and whatnot.
[18:10] and he just goes straight in the door and picks up Ashley's guitar and goes and hikes his leg up on the damn trampoline and starts looking at the moon and playing guitar.
[18:17] And I'm like,
[18:18] moon and playing guitar.
[18:18] And I'm like, Ashley, what in the is he doing?
[18:21] Can we just go inside?
[18:23] I don't want to hear this prick playing or something, you know, just something.
[18:27] He stopped and he come over there to pull us apart.
[18:29] And I just rar back and punched him in the side of the head.
[18:33] And I had told her he needs to go, you know, you need to get this done and get it get it done.
[18:37] Get him on the road.
[18:39] you know, last couple weeks she told me she had made her decision.
[18:43] He did have to go and this time it was for good.
[18:45] She said, "I will be alone."
[18:46] And then this other guy, I mean, and and I talked with my wife about it.
[18:51] I said, "I don't I don't understand why somebody that supposedly has got their living already set.
[18:57] You know, they ain't even got to work for a living to start seeing somebody that has four kids that he has no kids."
[19:04] I said, "The only thing I can think of is maybe he's a damn."
[19:07] I said, "That that sounds suspicious to me."
[19:09] You know, it is.
[19:11] It quickly becomes clear to the detective that Ashley's relatives all wish he had stayed with John instead of Tyler.
[19:16] A walking red flag fully [music]
[19:19] Tyler. A walking red flag fully capable of snapping at any moment, but capable of snapping at any moment, but everything else investigators have is everything else investigators have is still circumstantial.
[19:27] Still, there's hope.
[19:29] Police did find some concerning items in his car.
[19:31] Multiple anabolic drugs known to affect mood, judgment, and irritability.
[19:36] However, even with these findings, detectives are grasping its draws.
[19:42] Yet, with time slipping away, Detective [ __ ] knows he can't wait any longer.
[19:46] It's time to come face to face with their killer, who by this point has been waiting for hours, growing increasingly impatient to speak.
[19:55] With the right lawyer, he has a real chance to walk free.
[19:58] Without one, a single wrong word could now cost him his freedom for life.
[20:03] And for Detective [ __ ] this isn't just another case.
[20:09] Ashley was his friend, someone he had known for years.
[20:15] Now he has to sit across from the man who has already confessed to killing her.
[20:18] Okay. If I record, it's just help me
[20:21] >> Okay. If I record, it's just help me keep everything in track. So,
[20:23] keep everything in track. So, >> my my biggest thing is is I want to know
[20:25] >> my my biggest thing is is I want to know who you are cuz that that's very
[20:27] who you are cuz that that's very important. Um, we need to know who
[20:29] important. Um, we need to know who Ashley is. That's very important. Um,
[20:31] Ashley is. That's very important. Um, it's not just the the events of what
[20:33] it's not just the the events of what happened tonight. It's the it's the
[20:35] happened tonight. It's the it's the whole totality of the history with
[20:37] whole totality of the history with [music] you guys. Um, because that's
[20:39] [music] you guys. Um, because that's going to help best explain everything
[20:42] going to help best explain everything that led up to where we're at. I'm going
[20:44] that led up to where we're at. I'm going to I'm going to tell you that you
[20:45] to I'm going to tell you that you remember the saying, the truth will set
[20:46] remember the saying, the truth will set you free. The truth will set you free in
[20:50] you free. The truth will set you free in here.
[20:51] here. It's up to you. I can't make you.
[20:53] It's up to you. I can't make you. [music] I would love to know. We would
[20:55] [music] I would love to know. We would all love to know just for the sake of of
[20:57] all love to know just for the sake of of you and for the sake of Ashley,
[20:59] you and for the sake of Ashley, obviously. I mean, I feel like giving a
[21:01] obviously. I mean, I feel like giving a statement just because I'm here. I don't
[21:03] statement just because I'm here. I don't know how long we wait for a lawyer to
[21:05] know how long we wait for a lawyer to get here or whatever, but I just wanted
[21:07] get here or whatever, but I just wanted to talk about what happened, you know,
[21:08] to talk about what happened, you know, tonight. So, I don't know if that's, you
[21:10] tonight. So, I don't know if that's, you know, I
[21:10] know, I >> I think it's important because right now
[21:12] >> I think it's important because right now we've got obviously
[21:14] we've got obviously >> I think I think I need to tell what
[21:15] >> I think I think I need to tell what happened cuz at about 6:00 p.m. around
[21:18] happened cuz at about 6:00 p.m. around 6:00 p.m. I'm not even quite sure when
[21:19] 6:00 p.m. I'm not even quite sure when it was when I called the actual police
[21:22] it was when I called the actual police department or called 911. Um, what I had
[21:25] department or called 911. Um, what I had left it [music] as. There were four
[21:27] left it [music] as. There were four children in the house and a woman.
[21:31] children in the house and a woman. >> From the outset, detectives suspect
[21:33] >> From the outset, detectives suspect Tyler has a plan and that turning
[21:36] Tyler has a plan and that turning himself in may have been his first step
[21:38] himself in may have been his first step in trying to appear more innocent. And
[21:40] in trying to appear more innocent. And as the interrogation unfolds, that plan
[21:43] as the interrogation unfolds, that plan becomes crystal clear. Everything that
[21:46] becomes crystal clear. Everything that happened that night was, according to
[21:48] happened that night was, according to him, Ashley's fault.
[21:51] him, Ashley's fault. The woman and I had an altercation with
[21:53] The woman and I had an altercation with a loaded weapon and she has a bullet in
[21:56] a loaded weapon and she has a bullet in her head. Never initiated like violent
[21:59] her head. Never initiated like violent contact on her like that. I'm not the
[22:01] contact on her like that. I'm not the one that pulled the gun. Like I don't
[22:03] one that pulled the gun. Like I don't [music] have the gun. I don't want the
[22:04] [music] have the gun. I don't want the gun. I don't want it in disputes with a
[22:07] gun. I don't want it in disputes with a gun.
[22:08] gun. >> No intention to shoot action.
[22:09] >> No intention to shoot action. >> No, I've never [music] had I don't want
[22:13] >> No, I've never [music] had I don't want to take a mother away from her four
[22:14] to take a mother away from her four kids. Like that's not my thing. I close
[22:17] kids. Like that's not my thing. I close the door. I [music] locked the broom
[22:20] the door. I [music] locked the broom door to the bedroom so the kids don't go
[22:22] door to the bedroom so the kids don't go in there. I had [music] emptied out the
[22:24] in there. I had [music] emptied out the gun. It was empty and I left it there
[22:26] gun. It was empty and I left it there and I went out. I didn't know what the
[22:28] and I went out. I didn't know what the [ __ ] to do. I'm sorry. I wasn't perfect.
[22:30] [ __ ] to do. I'm sorry. I wasn't perfect. The kids were there. There's a
[22:32] The kids were there. There's a 9-year-old there that's really
[22:33] 9-year-old there that's really responsible and was watching the kids.
[22:35] responsible and was watching the kids. The neighbors were outside across the
[22:36] The neighbors were outside across the street or I had seen neighbors outside
[22:38] street or I had seen neighbors outside at one point across the street. I felt
[22:39] at one point across the street. I felt like I just needed to go and be like,
[22:42] like I just needed to go and be like, "This just happened." So, I drove to the
[22:45] "This just happened." So, I drove to the parking lot down the street and just
[22:47] parking lot down the street and just called 911.
[22:49] called 911. >> In Tyler's own words, the shooting was
[22:51] >> In Tyler's own words, the shooting was merely an altercation. But what stands
[22:54] merely an altercation. But what stands out even more is how he refers to Ashley
[22:57] out even more is how he refers to Ashley only as a woman, never as his partner or
[23:01] only as a woman, never as his partner or ex. Up until this point, Tyler has not
[23:04] ex. Up until this point, Tyler has not shown any emotion when talking about
[23:06] shown any emotion when talking about Ashley. But detectives can sense
[23:08] Ashley. But detectives can sense something beneath the surface. Tyler
[23:10] something beneath the surface. Tyler avoids eye contact. He rambles, fidgets,
[23:14] avoids eye contact. He rambles, fidgets, and appears restless, almost like he's
[23:16] and appears restless, almost like he's on the verge of a breakdown. And the
[23:19] on the verge of a breakdown. And the moment detectives ask about Ashley's
[23:21] moment detectives ask about Ashley's children, Tyler would finally crack.
[23:25] children, Tyler would finally crack. >> And she's got how many kids?
[23:26] >> And she's got how many kids? >> Four kids.
[23:27] >> Four kids. >> Were they all at the house tonight?
[23:28] >> Were they all at the house tonight? >> He does.
[23:29] >> He does. >> Okay.
[23:30] >> Okay. >> This is the first real emotion
[23:32] >> This is the first real emotion detectives have seen. But they needed to
[23:35] detectives have seen. But they needed to determine whether this is genuine guilt,
[23:37] determine whether this is genuine guilt, a calculated tactic, or emotional
[23:40] a calculated tactic, or emotional instability tied to his anabolic
[23:43] instability tied to his anabolic substance abuse. Aware that Tyler could
[23:45] substance abuse. Aware that Tyler could shut down the interview at any moment,
[23:47] shut down the interview at any moment, [music] Detective Kulie grows more
[23:49] [music] Detective Kulie grows more cautious, so he starts carefully probing
[23:52] cautious, so he starts carefully probing Tyler about any problems in his
[23:54] Tyler about any problems in his relationship with Ashley. And this is
[23:57] relationship with Ashley. And this is when Tyler would slip up.
[23:59] when Tyler would slip up. >> I was married for 5 years and I felt
[24:00] >> I was married for 5 years and I felt like a man of honor and I had a ring on
[24:02] like a man of honor and I had a ring on and I was proud of it. I was proud to be
[24:03] and I was proud of it. I was proud to be married. I was proud to be a good
[24:04] married. I was proud to be a good husband. And I fell into this this weird
[24:07] husband. And I fell into this this weird relationship that I never wanted, you
[24:09] relationship that I never wanted, you know, to be in. I've never wanted to be
[24:11] know, to be in. I've never wanted to be a part of. And I just went down this
[24:13] a part of. And I just went down this road that I just kind of felt like I
[24:14] road that I just kind of felt like I could never escape from. I was like
[24:15] could never escape from. I was like drowning in it, you know. So, I'm just
[24:17] drowning in it, you know. So, I'm just like,
[24:18] like, >> like I was able to divorce in Oregon,
[24:20] >> like I was able to divorce in Oregon, you know, it went through in just a
[24:22] you know, it went through in just a couple months. Like a couple months it
[24:23] couple months. Like a couple months it was finalized and it was done. Her thing
[24:25] was finalized and it was done. Her thing has been a year.
[24:26] has been a year. >> It takes a year for them to like do the
[24:28] >> It takes a year for them to like do the separation process and everything. And
[24:30] separation process and everything. And so we've just been kind of in that
[24:32] so we've just been kind of in that >> whirlwind of back and forth with
[24:34] >> whirlwind of back and forth with everything and stuff. And I've thought
[24:35] everything and stuff. And I've thought about leaving multiple times. I've
[24:37] about leaving multiple times. I've wanted to leave multiple times just
[24:39] wanted to leave multiple times just because it's kind of too much to just
[24:41] because it's kind of too much to just take being like, am I taking this woman
[24:43] take being like, am I taking this woman away from am I taking this man away from
[24:45] away from am I taking this man away from four kids, like his four kids, whatever.
[24:48] four kids, like his four kids, whatever. I just have felt a lot of I felt a lot
[24:49] I just have felt a lot of I felt a lot of guilt in my life in this
[24:50] of guilt in my life in this relationship.
[24:52] relationship. >> According to Tyler, he felt guilty and
[24:54] >> According to Tyler, he felt guilty and was planning to walk away from the
[24:56] was planning to walk away from the relationship. But detectives already
[24:58] relationship. But detectives already know this isn't true. Ashley's
[25:00] know this isn't true. Ashley's ex-husband has already shown
[25:02] ex-husband has already shown investigators messages in which she
[25:04] investigators messages in which she repeatedly complained that Tyler refused
[25:06] repeatedly complained that Tyler refused to leave. Additionally, detectives
[25:08] to leave. Additionally, detectives uncovered love letters exchanged between
[25:10] uncovered love letters exchanged between Tyler and his ex-wife. Proof he wasn't
[25:13] Tyler and his ex-wife. Proof he wasn't trapped at all. To my love, by the time
[25:16] trapped at all. To my love, by the time you see this letter, you're miles away
[25:18] you see this letter, you're miles away from me. Don't be mad. I hid one last
[25:21] from me. Don't be mad. I hid one last love letter in your things. You defeated
[25:24] love letter in your things. You defeated the world to get to me. I'm never going
[25:26] the world to get to me. I'm never going to forget about you. Don't forget about
[25:28] to forget about you. Don't forget about me. I hope you're ready for when we meet
[25:30] me. I hope you're ready for when we meet again. It's clear to the detectives that
[25:33] again. It's clear to the detectives that Tyler [music] left his marriage by
[25:34] Tyler [music] left his marriage by choice and could have gone back at any
[25:36] choice and could have gone back at any moment. So, Detective Kulie would push
[25:38] moment. So, Detective Kulie would push further into the dynamics of their
[25:40] further into the dynamics of their relationship, asking whether things had
[25:42] relationship, asking whether things had ever turned abusive. It's at this moment
[25:45] ever turned abusive. It's at this moment that Tyler's mask would slip, revealing
[25:48] that Tyler's mask would slip, revealing a deep insecurity [music] about his
[25:50] a deep insecurity [music] about his masculinity and a resentment towards
[25:52] masculinity and a resentment towards Ashley he could no longer hide.
[25:55] Ashley he could no longer hide. >> Has it ever become physical? Has she
[25:56] >> Has it ever become physical? Has she ever hit you, struck you, kicked you,
[25:59] ever hit you, struck you, kicked you, slapped you?
[26:00] slapped you? >> Slapped a couple times. Just got slapped
[26:02] >> Slapped a couple times. Just got slapped with things, shoes or something like
[26:04] with things, shoes or something like that. She's hit me with like shoes and
[26:06] that. She's hit me with like shoes and stuff
[26:06] stuff >> out of anger.
[26:07] >> out of anger. >> Frustration. Yeah.
[26:08] >> Frustration. Yeah. >> She hits you hard. I mean, just like a I
[26:11] >> She hits you hard. I mean, just like a I mean, I don't want to sound like a I
[26:13] mean, I don't want to sound like a I mean, she just slapped me with like a
[26:15] mean, she just slapped me with like a with her like slippers, you know. It's
[26:17] with her like slippers, you know. It's kind of like that across the when she
[26:19] kind of like that across the when she was mad about something. Yeah.
[26:20] was mad about something. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you know, like the way I
[26:22] >> Okay. So, you know, like the way I picture is like if my wife's
[26:24] picture is like if my wife's >> agitated with me or aggravated with me
[26:26] >> agitated with me or aggravated with me and she pops me with something.
[26:27] and she pops me with something. >> Are we saying something like that or we
[26:29] >> Are we saying something like that or we are we saying she aggressively like you
[26:31] are we saying she aggressively like you >> no pops you with something? I would say
[26:34] >> no pops you with something? I would say middle ground of that. Just kind of like
[26:37] middle ground of that. Just kind of like pissed about something, but just that's
[26:38] pissed about something, but just that's how she's reacting to it. But she wasn't
[26:41] how she's reacting to it. But she wasn't like overly like I'd never seen a level
[26:44] like overly like I'd never seen a level of aggression to this [ __ ] point with
[26:46] of aggression to this [ __ ] point with a gun. I don't know where that came
[26:47] a gun. I don't know where that came from. I have no idea. I've never seen
[26:49] from. I have no idea. I've never seen her do anything, pull any [ __ ] like that
[26:51] her do anything, pull any [ __ ] like that ever. I didn't even know she could.
[26:53] ever. I didn't even know she could. >> But now Tyler would inadvertently reveal
[26:56] >> But now Tyler would inadvertently reveal something far more disturbing about
[26:58] something far more disturbing about himself. As part of their custody
[27:01] himself. As part of their custody agreement, Ashley wasn't allowed to have
[27:03] agreement, Ashley wasn't allowed to have anyone stay overnight, including Tyler,
[27:06] anyone stay overnight, including Tyler, a rule he knew very well. And as soon as
[27:09] a rule he knew very well. And as soon as their relationship began to fall apart,
[27:12] their relationship began to fall apart, Tyler's first instinct was to expose
[27:15] Tyler's first instinct was to expose that violation to her ex-husband,
[27:17] that violation to her ex-husband, knowing full well it would cost Ashley
[27:20] knowing full well it would cost Ashley custody of her children.
[27:22] custody of her children. >> And so, our relationship was really
[27:23] >> And so, our relationship was really falling out here. And uh
[27:28] falling out here. And uh I threatened to tell him the truth when
[27:29] I threatened to tell him the truth when I was getting ready to leave. I was
[27:31] I was getting ready to leave. I was going to call her husband and be like,
[27:32] going to call her husband and be like, "I've been spending the night here. I
[27:34] "I've been spending the night here. I don't know what legal ramifications it's
[27:35] don't know what legal ramifications it's going to have for you guys and your life
[27:36] going to have for you guys and your life and your world. This I've been in this
[27:40] and your world. This I've been in this relationship with you. This relationship
[27:41] relationship with you. This relationship has hurt me in a lot of ways. I've
[27:42] has hurt me in a lot of ways. I've sacrificed a lot of things. And for me
[27:44] sacrificed a lot of things. And for me to go and have closure, I think that
[27:46] to go and have closure, I think that like I'm just going to let John know the
[27:47] like I'm just going to let John know the whole truth. I think he deserves to know
[27:48] whole truth. I think he deserves to know the truth. And I'm sorry. It was kind of
[27:49] the truth. And I'm sorry. It was kind of an ugly ending for both of us, this
[27:51] an ugly ending for both of us, this woman and I." Tyler has just shown how
[27:54] woman and I." Tyler has just shown how quickly he can retaliate and how easily
[27:57] quickly he can retaliate and how easily he could justify harming Ashley whenever
[27:59] he could justify harming Ashley whenever he felt the need to do so. But according
[28:01] he felt the need to do so. But according to Tyler, what happened next wasn't just
[28:04] to Tyler, what happened next wasn't just another argument. He claims Ashley
[28:06] another argument. He claims Ashley suddenly escalated the situation to a
[28:08] suddenly escalated the situation to a deadly level by pulling a gun on him.
[28:11] deadly level by pulling a gun on him. She has a loaded gun or she has a gun in
[28:14] She has a loaded gun or she has a gun in her uh drawer next to the bed and I was
[28:17] her uh drawer next to the bed and I was in the bedroom talking with her and she
[28:19] in the bedroom talking with her and she loaded her gun and cocked it back and
[28:23] loaded her gun and cocked it back and basically told me that she wasn't going
[28:25] basically told me that she wasn't going to let me call until and so this just
[28:28] to let me call until and so this just went to like a thousand like zero to a
[28:31] went to like a thousand like zero to a thousand in like one blink of an eye.
[28:33] thousand in like one blink of an eye. [ __ ] I'm like in the bedroom talking
[28:34] [ __ ] I'm like in the bedroom talking with her, having a normal conversation.
[28:36] with her, having a normal conversation. She's like loading a gun in front of my
[28:38] She's like loading a gun in front of my face and she has a pistol like literally
[28:40] face and she has a pistol like literally packing some stuff, putting some stuff
[28:41] packing some stuff, putting some stuff in the drawers. I wasn't doing [ __ ] I
[28:43] in the drawers. I wasn't doing [ __ ] I didn't hit her. I wasn't like fighting
[28:45] didn't hit her. I wasn't like fighting her or anything. I was just talking and
[28:46] her or anything. I was just talking and she like loaded her gun and was pointing
[28:48] she like loaded her gun and was pointing at me. I just know that like that's
[28:50] at me. I just know that like that's where that started from. And I'm not
[28:52] where that started from. And I'm not saying that to like did like do
[28:53] saying that to like did like do something dig myself in the grain like
[28:55] something dig myself in the grain like oh the past he never saw it happen and
[28:57] oh the past he never saw it happen and now she did. That sounds like [ __ ]
[28:59] now she did. That sounds like [ __ ] No, she did it though. I'm a man. I'm a
[29:02] No, she did it though. I'm a man. I'm a lot stronger than her. was aggressive,
[29:03] lot stronger than her. was aggressive, but it was like she's not she's shot
[29:05] but it was like she's not she's shot that gun before. She knows what the [ __ ]
[29:06] that gun before. She knows what the [ __ ] she's doing with it. I don't shoot guns.
[29:08] she's doing with it. I don't shoot guns. I didn't like barely ever shot a gun in
[29:10] I didn't like barely ever shot a gun in my life. And so the whole way it it
[29:13] my life. And so the whole way it it happened, I feel like for me, I didn't
[29:15] happened, I feel like for me, I didn't mean to do anything. I didn't mean for
[29:17] mean to do anything. I didn't mean for her to do anything. It was like
[29:19] her to do anything. It was like basically felt like it was like just
[29:21] basically felt like it was like just fighting for my life. And I feel like it
[29:22] fighting for my life. And I feel like it was like this is how it ended.
[29:25] was like this is how it ended. >> According to Tyler, this chaotic
[29:27] >> According to Tyler, this chaotic struggle wasn't aggression. It was
[29:29] struggle wasn't aggression. It was survival. Detectives continue to press
[29:31] survival. Detectives continue to press for details about what happened in the
[29:33] for details about what happened in the bathroom. And what Tyler would say next
[29:36] bathroom. And what Tyler would say next would either support his self-defense
[29:37] would either support his self-defense claim or unravel it completely.
[29:40] claim or unravel it completely. >> Okay. How long from the time she came
[29:42] >> Okay. How long from the time she came into the bathroom to where it escalated
[29:44] into the bathroom to where it escalated to the point she gets shot? Talking
[29:46] to the point she gets shot? Talking about seconds or minutes?
[29:48] about seconds or minutes? >> 2 minutes probably.
[29:49] >> 2 minutes probably. >> Talk to me.
[29:50] >> Talk to me. >> Just struggling.
[29:50] >> Just struggling. >> Those two minutes fighting, trying to
[29:52] >> Those two minutes fighting, trying to It's a combination of talking, moving
[29:54] It's a combination of talking, moving the gun around each other, just like I'm
[29:56] the gun around each other, just like I'm trying to grab her. I'm trying to hold
[29:57] trying to grab her. I'm trying to hold on to her. It's just like it was just
[29:59] on to her. It's just like it was just felt like it was like fight for
[30:01] felt like it was like fight for survival. I don't know what was going
[30:02] survival. I don't know what was going on. Felt like she was going to kill me.
[30:04] on. Felt like she was going to kill me. >> So at no point you stripped the gun from
[30:07] >> So at no point you stripped the gun from her and had the gun in your hand
[30:09] her and had the gun in your hand totally.
[30:10] totally. >> Not until it was over. Not until
[30:13] >> Not until it was over. Not until she was on the ground.
[30:15] she was on the ground. >> Were you on top? Was she on top? Behind?
[30:17] >> Were you on top? Was she on top? Behind? She You were behind
[30:19] She You were behind >> behind like kind of in like this like
[30:20] >> behind like kind of in like this like kind of trying to do like a chokeold
[30:22] kind of trying to do like a chokeold [ __ ] thing or something. She was like
[30:24] [ __ ] thing or something. She was like trying to get the gun to me. So it was
[30:25] trying to get the gun to me. So it was just in our general facial areas. Okay.
[30:28] just in our general facial areas. Okay. >> After the shot, what happens?
[30:30] >> After the shot, what happens? >> I
[30:32] >> I don't even
[30:34] don't even I don't even I stood there and I
[30:36] I don't even I stood there and I couldn't believe what the [ __ ] happened
[30:37] couldn't believe what the [ __ ] happened and the first thing I thought of was the
[30:39] and the first thing I thought of was the is I have to call somebody. I have to
[30:41] is I have to call somebody. I have to get someone here. I have to stand up for
[30:43] get someone here. I have to stand up for what I've done.
[30:44] what I've done. >> Tyler is becoming increasingly more
[30:46] >> Tyler is becoming increasingly more agitated, forcing detectives to call a
[30:49] agitated, forcing detectives to call a short break, concerned that pushing any
[30:51] short break, concerned that pushing any further would cause him to shut down
[30:53] further would cause him to shut down completely. But the moment they step
[30:55] completely. But the moment they step outside the interrogation room,
[30:56] outside the interrogation room, everything changes. New evidence comes
[30:59] everything changes. New evidence comes in and it directly contradicts Tyler's
[31:02] in and it directly contradicts Tyler's story. Tyler claims Ashley had the gun
[31:05] story. Tyler claims Ashley had the gun in her hand and they were fighting over
[31:07] in her hand and they were fighting over the weapon. But when Ashley's body was
[31:09] the weapon. But when Ashley's body was discovered, her phone was still in her
[31:12] discovered, her phone was still in her right hand, her dominant hand, meaning
[31:14] right hand, her dominant hand, meaning she hadn't been holding a weapon in the
[31:16] she hadn't been holding a weapon in the moments before she was shot. Then came
[31:19] moments before she was shot. Then came the most damning detail. Ashley's hair
[31:22] the most damning detail. Ashley's hair was found inside the barrel of the gun.
[31:25] was found inside the barrel of the gun. Combined with skull fracture patterns,
[31:27] Combined with skull fracture patterns, it proved the weapon had been firmly
[31:29] it proved the weapon had been firmly pressed against her skin when fired.
[31:32] pressed against her skin when fired. This wasn't self-defense. This was a
[31:35] This wasn't self-defense. This was a coldblooded execution. This was exactly
[31:38] coldblooded execution. This was exactly what detectives needed. Armed with this
[31:41] what detectives needed. Armed with this evidence, Detective Kulie re-enters the
[31:43] evidence, Detective Kulie re-enters the room. And this time, he's ready to
[31:45] room. And this time, he's ready to confront Tyler about his story. But to
[31:48] confront Tyler about his story. But to the detective's surprise, his controlled
[31:50] the detective's surprise, his controlled demeanor has disappeared and Tyler is
[31:54] demeanor has disappeared and Tyler is about to lash out.
[31:55] about to lash out. >> Well, do you feel like it probably just
[31:57] >> Well, do you feel like it probably just got out of hand?
[31:58] got out of hand? >> Yes. I think our whole relationship was
[32:00] >> Yes. I think our whole relationship was out of hand. And I think that I've I've
[32:02] out of hand. And I think that I've I've never had someone do that to me. I've
[32:04] never had someone do that to me. I've never had someone get that mad at me
[32:06] never had someone get that mad at me that they load a weapon in their house.
[32:08] that they load a weapon in their house. The kids were asleep. It was two nights
[32:09] The kids were asleep. It was two nights ago. And she [ __ ] it back and she's
[32:11] ago. And she [ __ ] it back and she's standing there like all cocky looking at
[32:13] standing there like all cocky looking at me like she's going to like she knows
[32:14] me like she's going to like she knows what she's going to do with it. I mean,
[32:16] what she's going to do with it. I mean, why not? If this lady's got a gun, why
[32:19] why not? If this lady's got a gun, why not just get the hell out of there?
[32:20] not just get the hell out of there? >> Cuz the she had never done anything like
[32:22] >> Cuz the she had never done anything like this before. I just the other night, two
[32:24] this before. I just the other night, two nights ago, I don't even know why I let
[32:26] nights ago, I don't even know why I let that go.
[32:27] that go. >> I should have left the house.
[32:29] >> I should have left the house. >> Um
[32:30] >> Um >> I guess is it fair to like say I was
[32:32] >> I guess is it fair to like say I was afraid for my life, though?
[32:33] afraid for my life, though? >> Yes.
[32:33] >> Yes. >> Like, is that fair to say that? I mean,
[32:35] >> Like, is that fair to say that? I mean, I feel like the dude, the cop out there
[32:36] I feel like the dude, the cop out there was like, "You're a big dude." And I
[32:38] was like, "You're a big dude." And I feel like it's not fair if it's like you
[32:40] feel like it's not fair if it's like you look like you can hound yourself. you
[32:41] look like you can hound yourself. you could have just like punched her in the
[32:43] could have just like punched her in the face or like kicked her or something or
[32:45] face or like kicked her or something or like like done something and I'm like I
[32:47] like like done something and I'm like I don't know, man. You one bullet goes off
[32:49] don't know, man. You one bullet goes off and you're [ __ ]
[32:50] and you're [ __ ] >> So, I just felt like it was like for me
[32:52] >> So, I just felt like it was like for me it's not about that.
[32:53] it's not about that. >> That's right.
[32:53] >> That's right. >> It's about a It was a fight for
[32:55] >> It's about a It was a fight for literally like she I don't know what the
[32:57] literally like she I don't know what the [ __ ] she's going to do. She threatened
[32:58] [ __ ] she's going to do. She threatened me that night. So, now I'm just like I
[32:59] me that night. So, now I'm just like I don't even [music] know. It just feels
[33:01] don't even [music] know. It just feels like it was a accident. I didn't try to
[33:03] like it was a accident. I didn't try to murder anybody. I didn't try to kill
[33:05] murder anybody. I didn't try to kill anyone. I I don't know how I don't know
[33:07] anyone. I I don't know how I don't know what the happened. I don't I worked in
[33:08] what the happened. I don't I worked in the medical field. I know that
[33:12] the medical field. I know that it's not good. I know that.
[33:14] it's not good. I know that. >> Tyler's words no longer sound like the
[33:17] >> Tyler's words no longer sound like the frustration of a man defending himself.
[33:19] frustration of a man defending himself. They sound like hostility towards
[33:21] They sound like hostility towards someone he blames for everything that
[33:23] someone he blames for everything that happened. But this is when Tyler would
[33:26] happened. But this is when Tyler would start to realize he isn't coming across
[33:28] start to realize he isn't coming across the way he hoped. And when detectives
[33:30] the way he hoped. And when detectives press a little harder, they're about to
[33:33] press a little harder, they're about to make their biggest mistake, pushing
[33:36] make their biggest mistake, pushing Tyler to shut down completely.
[33:39] Tyler to shut down completely. >> We're we're still missing some things
[33:41] >> We're we're still missing some things that I feel that you're kind of you're
[33:44] that I feel that you're kind of you're kind of rushing through. And I think I
[33:47] kind of rushing through. And I think I think
[33:48] think >> processing today, I just want to feel
[33:50] >> processing today, I just want to feel like I'm like someone's like on like
[33:53] like I'm like someone's like on like kind of listen like on my side
[33:54] kind of listen like on my side >> on your side, right?
[33:55] >> on your side, right? >> No, but I'm not trying to get what
[33:56] >> No, but I'm not trying to get what you're saying. I know I've seen this in
[33:58] you're saying. I know I've seen this in the movies. I know what I'm trying to
[33:59] the movies. I know what I'm trying to do. Like it's like the more I tell now
[34:01] do. Like it's like the more I tell now it's like the better it looks. Like the
[34:02] it's like the better it looks. Like the more I just tell now it's like but I'm
[34:04] more I just tell now it's like but I'm getting to that place where it's like
[34:06] getting to that place where it's like we're at like the heart of everything
[34:08] we're at like the heart of everything that happened. I'm trying to be really
[34:09] that happened. I'm trying to be really careful with like if I [ __ ] up or if I
[34:12] careful with like if I [ __ ] up or if I say something stupid I don't know what
[34:13] say something stupid I don't know what the more I talk I feel like the more
[34:15] the more I talk I feel like the more it's like going to look like oh man
[34:16] it's like going to look like oh man dude. I'm trying to explain the best I
[34:18] dude. I'm trying to explain the best I can what happened right now. The whole
[34:20] can what happened right now. The whole world if they know what just happened is
[34:21] world if they know what just happened is probably like that guy's a piece of
[34:23] probably like that guy's a piece of [ __ ] So I'm like feel really alone
[34:25] [ __ ] So I'm like feel really alone where I like don't have anyone. My
[34:26] where I like don't have anyone. My family's not here. No one's here. I
[34:28] family's not here. No one's here. I understand I understand that Ashley's
[34:31] understand I understand that Ashley's not here either and I'm trying to
[34:32] not here either and I'm trying to process [music] that [ __ ] right now.
[34:35] process [music] that [ __ ] right now. >> But
[34:35] >> But >> what we're going to do is we are going
[34:37] >> what we're going to do is we are going to refrain from any more questions.
[34:40] to refrain from any more questions. >> Understood.
[34:41] >> Understood. >> If you feel compelled to re-engage or
[34:44] >> If you feel compelled to re-engage or say anything, you are more than welcome.
[34:46] say anything, you are more than welcome. >> You know, I appreciate you guys being
[34:48] >> You know, I appreciate you guys being patient with me. I know you guys got to
[34:49] patient with me. I know you guys got to do this with people and stuff and I'm
[34:50] do this with people and stuff and I'm not trying to tell you guys I don't want
[34:51] not trying to tell you guys I don't want your counsel. I don't want to tell more
[34:53] your counsel. I don't want to tell more and more and more. I just feel like I'm
[34:54] and more and more. I just feel like I'm at that point looking at that piece of
[34:56] at that point looking at that piece of paper when I told you. I want to be able
[34:58] paper when I told you. I want to be able to tell someone that's kind of like
[34:59] to tell someone that's kind of like sitting here going like, I hear what
[35:00] sitting here going like, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're
[35:01] you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Maybe don't say anything. Maybe
[35:03] saying. Maybe don't say anything. Maybe some counsel. I know you guys are
[35:04] some counsel. I know you guys are counseling me right now and I'm
[35:06] counseling me right now and I'm appreciating it, but I need someone else
[35:07] appreciating it, but I need someone else that just feels like it's like
[35:10] that just feels like it's like this, man.
[35:11] this, man. >> It's at [music] this point that Tyler
[35:13] >> It's at [music] this point that Tyler refuses to answer any more questions
[35:15] refuses to answer any more questions until his lawyer arrives. But with the
[35:17] until his lawyer arrives. But with the evidence stacked against him, Tyler
[35:19] evidence stacked against him, Tyler would ultimately be charged with
[35:21] would ultimately be charged with seconddegree murder and four counts of
[35:23] seconddegree murder and four counts of child abandonment. He would go to trial
[35:25] child abandonment. He would go to trial maintaining that he acted in
[35:27] maintaining that he acted in self-defense, but the state's case would
[35:29] self-defense, but the state's case would be overwhelming. Tyler would be found
[35:31] be overwhelming. Tyler would be found guilty on all charges and sentenced to
[35:34] guilty on all charges and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole.
[35:37] life in prison with no chance of parole. Thank you for watching and supporting
[35:38] Thank you for watching and supporting our team. To help the four children
[35:40] our team. To help the four children affected by this tragic case, we've set
[35:42] affected by this tragic case, we've set up a GoFundMe and began with a $10,000
[35:45] up a GoFundMe and began with a $10,000 donation from the Dr. Insanity Team. The
[35:47] donation from the Dr. Insanity Team. The funds will primarily go towards therapy
[35:49] funds will primarily go towards therapy and educational expenses, helping give
[35:52] and educational expenses, helping give these children the best possible chance
[35:54] these children the best possible chance despite what they've been through.