# Christian Vs Muslim: The Islamic Dilemma (HEATED DEBATE)

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[00:00] Bring it up, it's over.
[00:03] Bring it up, it'll be over.
[00:04] Can Can you Can you Can you calm down?
[00:07] Let's just take a break.
[00:10] Therefore, the Islamic dilemma, which is on the table, has not been established.
[00:13] My friend, if the Bible scholars are right, the Quran is a lie.
[00:15] Psalms 91 says he will be raised up.
[00:17] What do the Muslims believe?
[00:19] That he was saved by being taken up.
[00:21] Forgive me for assuming that you are Muslim knew the Quran.
[00:22] Forgive me.
[00:24] That's the point.
[00:24] The Bible has a bunch of contradictions.
[00:26] And if you want to convince people to become Muslims, you'll be one of the best apologists for Christianity.
[00:30] You're going to drive them to Christ.
[00:32] You're talking to the OG G.
[00:32] Don't tell the OG how to establish the Islamic dilemma, right?
[00:36] Can you just give me one prophecy?
[00:38] Okay, let me explain.
[00:38] I'll explain to you.
[00:39] Watch.
[00:45] Let's talk outside real quick.
[00:45] Are we going to talk have the debate?
[00:48] Yes.
[00:48] Yes.
[00:49] Stop this appeal to sympathy.
[00:52] You addressed it online.
[00:52] Let people judge whether I was wrong or not.
[00:57] I will get to the topic.
[00:58] Okay.
[00:58] So, don't bring it up because I'm say I'm not gonna apologize because you
[01:01] don't know the context of my statement.
[01:02] This is a Christian platform, correct?
[01:04] So, he's appealing to Christianity.
[01:06] Christianity, you don't know that you make him apologize.
[01:07] He doesn't want to apologize.
[01:09] If you want to talk about insults, we can bring up your prophet insulting people.
[01:13] You can bring those things up.
[01:14] We can do that.
[01:16] So, let's get to the topic.
[01:16] For the love of your God, let's not play this game.
[01:19] I swear it's not a game.
[01:21] Okay, so let's get to the topic.
[01:21] This is about decency.
[01:24] Yeah.
[01:24] I'm telling him one more time, if he changes the topic, he can leave.
[01:26] There's no debate.
[01:29] You play these games.
[01:29] You can go.
[01:30] I I have I've definitely prepared a lot for this discussion.
[01:32] I'm very happy to have it.
[01:34] Want a debate or you can just I'm happy to talk about this topic.
[01:37] I'm very happy to talk about you.
[01:38] Bring it up, it's over.
[01:42] Bring it up, it'll be over.
[01:42] Do Okay.
[01:42] Can Can you Can you Can you There we go.
[01:45] Can you calm down?
[01:47] Okay, let's just take a break.
[01:49] I'll be back for the Mormons.
[01:52] I am h I prepared this.
[01:52] I'm ready to go.
[01:56] I'll be back for the Mormon.
[01:56] Brian, hold on.
[01:59] Today we're going to be discussing the [clears throat] Islamic dilemma.
[02:03] Okay.
[02:04] Would you like to start, Sam?
[02:05] Sure.
[02:05] I mean, however he wants.
[02:07] He can lead it if he wants.
[02:08] Go ahead.
[02:08] Yeah.
[02:08] My my assertion is that the Quran depends on the Bible, not the other way around.
[02:13] You [clears throat] can't make sense of much of the Quran without the Bible.
[02:16] I mean, that's the assertion.
[02:18] So, if you want to go into examples, we can.
[02:20] That's up to you.
[02:21] Okay.
[02:21] So, uh, the Islamic dilemma, I will define it as like a promise, if you will.
[02:26] And what is the promise?
[02:28] The promise is that there are Christian preachers that say, "Listen, the Christian audience that are trying to, you know, evangelize and preach to their Muslim friends, they can grab a copy of the Quran and they can point to certain verses that are going to demonstrate that today's Bible is fully authentic."
[02:45] That seems like like they're promising this.
[02:46] They're saying, "Look, you can do this."
[02:47] This is what the Islamic dilemma is all about.
[02:49] Mhm.
[02:49] Okay.
[02:49] Now I want to differentiate that from the commentary dilemma.
[02:52] And the commentary dilemma I will concede.
[02:54] It's it's a mean by commentaries dilemma.
[02:57] Perfect.
[02:58] The commentary dilemma which is just I'm making this up so just just bear with me.
[03:01] Is just the idea of saying
[03:04] when we go into the commentaries of various Islamic scholars for the past 1400 years.
[03:10] You will find that some scholars will say it seems that the Bible is preserved and authentic.
[03:15] And there is the vast majority that will say no, there has been corruption.
[03:19] And we could go back and forth and say, well, some scholars say this and some scholars say that.
[03:24] And that could be turn into a commentary dilemma.
[03:25] But I just want to remind the audience that this is a promise of the what Islamic dilemma.
[03:29] It's about the Quran.
[03:31] And so I'm imagining a Christian audience at home waiting and saying, "Show me the verse."
[03:36] So I can go to the mosque and say, "This is the verse that proves that the Bible's authentic."
[03:40] And that's exactly what I'd like to uh address.
[03:42] That's fine.
[03:42] So, I'm going to show you that the Quran does confirm the Bible.
[03:45] But what I just said that the Quran depends on the Bible.
[03:49] Without the Bible, you can't make sense out of the Quran.
[03:50] So, you ready for some examples?
[03:53] Go ahead.
[03:54] In Surah Maida chapter 5 27-32.
[03:57] Can you read that for me?
[03:58] Chapter 5.
[04:02] Read that for me.
[04:02] You can read.
[04:04] And recite to them the story of the two sons of two sons of uh two sons of Adam.
[04:08] Adam's two sons in truth.
[04:10] When they both offered a sacrifice to Allah and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other, said the latter, I will surely kill you, said the former.
[04:19] Indeed, Allah only accepts the righteous.
[04:21] Uh, in other words, those who fear him.
[04:22] Keep going.
[04:23] Keep going. 32.
[04:24] If you should raise So, we're going to take our time.
[04:25] We're going to have a nice long.
[04:26] We're going to we're going to take our time.
[04:27] Sure.
[04:29] Conversation.
[04:29] Sure. Sure. If if it's long, I mean, this Okay.
[04:31] If you should raise your hand against me to kill me, I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you.
[04:36] Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.
[04:38] Indeed, I want you to obtain thereby my sin and your sin.
[04:40] So you be you will be among the companions of the fire and that is the recompense of the wrongdoers.
[04:45] And his soul permitted him [clears throat] to him the murder of his brother.
[04:48] So he killed him and became among the losers.
[04:50] Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground uh to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother.
[04:56] And he said, "Woe to me.
[04:58] I have failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother."
[05:01] And he became the of the regretful.
[05:03] Because of that, we decreed
[05:04] upon the children of Israel that whoever kills a soul, unless a soul, unless for a soul or for corruption done in the land, it is as he has slain mankind entirely.
[05:12] And whoever saves one, it is as as he has had saved mankind entirely.
[05:17] And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs.
[05:22] Then indeed many of them even after that throughout the land were transgressors.
[05:26] Remember what my argument is?
[05:29] The Quran needs a Bible.
[05:30] Without the Bible, you can't make sense out of it.
[05:31] So from the Quran, who are the two sons?
[05:33] What are their names?
[05:34] Which?
[05:36] Okay, so I'm gonna answer.
[05:38] The Quran doesn't mention their height, their name, their eye color, their hair color.
[05:41] It just says two sons of Adam.
[05:41] Who killed who?
[05:43] Uh, one killed the other.
[05:44] And who are they?
[05:45] They are the sons of Adam.
[05:48] Uh, that's that's what you don't have an answer.
[05:49] Good.
[05:49] No.
[05:51] Surah Maida 520 to 26.
[05:51] Read that for me.
[05:55] We're going to keep doing this.
[05:56] Yeah.
[05:56] Yeah.
[05:57] That's what I said.
[05:57] The crown.
[05:57] As long as we can go along because this is going to I guess if we just read it, it man.
[05:59] So you didn't have an answer cuz without the Bible, you can't answer that.
[06:03] So you're confirming my case.
[06:03] So
[06:05] Now go to Surah Maida 5:20 to 26.
[06:07] Does the Bible mention their height or their weight?
[06:09] What's that got to do with who killed?
[06:10] I agree.
[06:10] I agree.
[06:11] No, no, no.
[06:11] Don't attack straw man.
[06:13] Now you're a professor.
[06:15] So I'm going to ask you, professor.
[06:16] Yeah, sure.
[06:18] That wasn't straw man.
[06:19] No one cares about Harry's weight.
[06:19] We want to know their identity because we want to know who's guilty of what.
[06:24] What are their names?
[06:25] Uh, actually, their names aren't necessarily to to to teach the lesson.
[06:28] You don't need a name.
[06:28] That's not true.
[06:30] Yes, you do.
[06:30] If you're appealing to the people at that time, because it says the children of Israel, where do you find that command given to the children of Israel?
[06:37] Surah 5:32.
[06:38] Oh, here we go.
[06:38] Now, we're now now we're going.
[06:40] No, you're in the same passage because you're saying it need it doesn't.
[06:41] Yes.
[06:43] Because it assumes prior knowledge.
[06:43] That prior knowledge is the Bible.
[06:46] So, your Quran depends on the Bible.
[06:47] So, makes my case.
[06:49] So, I'm going to ask you in Surah 5:32, where is that command found that was given to children of Israel?
[06:53] It's by God, uh, mentioning to in the Quran what he has done in history to the children of Israel.
[06:59] Read the verse.
[07:01] Yeah.
[07:01] Because of that, we decreed upon the children of Israel.
[07:02] God can tell us that.
[07:04] Where is that?
[07:04] Where's that found?
[07:05] God is telling us in the Quran this is what he has done.
[07:07] But to the children of Israel, right?
[07:08] Yes. He has said that.
[07:09] So where in their source do you find that?
[07:12] Okay. I'm going to answer.
[07:13] Go ahead.
[07:14] God doesn't need to say when I created Adam, for example.
[07:19] By the way, let me give you the reference where I talked about creating Adam to different prophets.
[07:23] Isn't that my argument?
[07:25] I'm just giving example.
[07:26] He can simply say God can declare to his prophet Muhammad in the past I gave commands to the Israelites.
[07:32] That's what he's saying.
[07:34] This is what I commanded them.
[07:34] How do you confirm that he did?
[07:36] I'm saying that do you understand the Islamic dilemma?
[07:40] You want to teach me it?
[07:41] No. I think you're the you're the OG.
[07:43] Don't attack. You're the You're like the You're the captain.
[07:46] You're the captain of the ship.
[07:47] Don't attack Roman. you're making my case without realizing it because this assumes prior knowledge of the previous scriptures so that the audience will know the detail by going to the Bible or if they don't or if they let me so then how can they confirm that?
[08:01] It's not saying you have to confirm anything.
[08:03] No, if I'm a Jew or I'm a Christian and I read that where am I going to go to
[08:07] confirm whether the Quran got it right?
[08:08] Not you have just inserted so many ideas
[08:11] that are not inserted in my 520 to 26.
[08:14] Can can you just take one second?
[08:15] Yeah, but you made my point but go ahead
[08:17] my case.
[08:17] What I'm saying is that nowhere in here does it say anything about the necessity to appeal to a certain group and then therefore getting repres
[08:25] May I may I just finish?
[08:27] No, just but I'm just trying we have to interact but I'd like to finish.
[08:31] Can you still man my position?
[08:32] I would like to finish my sentence.
[08:34] This is about the Islamic dilemma.
[08:36] Yeah.
[08:36] So that means there are Christian students of yours that really like you and appreciate you how much hard work you've done with your very I actually appreciate your smiling.
[08:42] You have a very nice smile.
[08:44] No, no, really really no.
[08:44] I I want to make because I don't want you to accuse me of cutting you off.
[08:48] We're good.
[08:49] Thank you.
[08:49] No, no.
[08:49] I I'm I'm I'm trying to make this I I really do want to make this a positive conversation.
[08:53] I agree with you.
[08:53] And all I'm trying to say is that if God declares to his prophet, the prophet Muhammad or any other prophet and says this is what I have done in the past, there's no need.
[09:05] You're you're you're inserting this idea that well
[09:08] that implies that he must have a reference and if he doesn't have the reference and there's a problem and I'm just simply saying or you could just take a plain reading of the text and God is saying this is what I've done in the past.
[09:18] You want to repeat my point again?
[09:19] You can repeat it.
[09:20] Okay.
[09:21] Because you just confirmed my point again.
[09:21] Sure.
[09:21] Okay.
[09:23] Let me repeat it again.
[09:24] Hopefully, we can stay on topic.
[09:27] You can steal man me.
[09:27] I'm not saying that the Quran has to tell you where it's at.
[09:29] What I'm saying is the Quran already assumes this information is known and you have access to it.
[09:36] Hence, the Quran presupposes the Bible.
[09:39] Good.
[09:39] Can I respond?
[09:40] Well, I didn't you I'm giving like two second response.
[09:42] Okay.
[09:44] Now, can you steal my response?
[09:44] Steal my resp.
[09:44] What?
[09:46] No.
[09:46] No.
[09:46] I I I actually plan on asking a question.
[09:48] Yes.
[09:49] Why does it have to Can Man, I wish you didn't.
[09:51] Can you just say that last port question again?
[09:53] Can you repeat that?
[09:54] When the Quran mentions these stories without going into detail.
[09:57] Yeah.
[09:58] It's because the Quran already assumes prior knowledge of this information that people had access to.
[10:04] So the question is where do they find that information?
[10:06] In
[10:08] the Bible.
[10:09] Great. Now let's say God is speaking to
[10:11] You're right. There's a Christian audience, a Jewish audience, but there's also a pagan audience.
[10:15] Sure.
[10:16] They don't need any references. They can just see that God is revealing and telling his messenger.
[10:20] No, they would too. They would let me let me let me say there's nothing wrong with God saying this is what I've declared in the past to the Israelites.
[10:28] If a if a completely uh uh ignorant pagan audience hears that they don't need to insert everything you're you're just saying what all they have to do is say okay so God is declaring that this is what happened in the past.
[10:39] That's fair.
[10:40] Can I respond to that?
[10:40] Of course, please.
[10:41] For a pagan to know that Muhammad is not making it up about the tales of the Jews and Christians, who do they go to to confirm whether Muhammad got it right?
[10:48] Okay. that that in here there's no mention of confirmation.
[10:51] Would you like to go to some other verse?
[10:53] That's not what I'm No, let me repeat my question again.
[10:55] So I I can respond to it. I understand your question. You're saying that when God makes this declaration and the pagans hear it, right?
[11:01] The pagans are here about the Jews and Christians, right?
[11:03] At no point in this verse does he ever say, "Hey, pagans, make sure you still my argument because you keep
[11:08] misrepresenting it.
[11:08] Repeat my argument.
[11:10] I want to hear if you get it because you
[11:11] keep a
[11:12] Yeah, you're asking the question.
[11:14] I think you're asking maybe I'm not going to do a good job.
[11:15] I'll be honest.
[11:16] Okay.
[11:16] Maybe you're maybe what you're saying is I think what you're saying is
[11:19] that when they read this
[11:21] Yeah.
[11:22] and their goal is to look into history,
[11:26] right?
[11:28] Then who are they going to go to?
[11:28] Right.
[11:28] But the thing
[11:29] they want to know that Muhammad is not making it up,
[11:30] right?
[11:31] Yeah.
[11:31] So who do they go to
[11:32] in here in this particular verse?
[11:33] I'm just I'm just
[11:34] generally anything anytime the Quran
[11:36] because I I got dozens of examples.
[11:38] So anytime the Quran mentions the history of the Jews and Christians, how are they going to know Muhammad is right?
[11:43] Great question.
[11:43] Yes.
[11:43] Well answer.
[11:43] An individual can absolutely get up and say, "Let me go around the world and see what different people have said."
[11:49] You know, they could say, "Let's learn about Gilgamesh and how there was a flood story there."
[11:53] Anybody can do that.
[11:53] The Quran is not prompting any of this here.
[11:55] Now, show me where the Quran is prompting that and I'll do it.
[11:59] We're going to keep spinning in circles.
[12:01] So, if I'm a pagan, you're Muhammad.
[12:03] Yeah.
[12:03] And you say to me, "This is what the sons of Adam did."
[12:07] Well, how do I know you're not making it up?
[12:09] Yahoodi, come here.
[12:09] Is he making it up?
[12:11] No.
[12:11] Here's my Bible.
[12:11] Oh, the Quran doesn't need to tell them to go to the Bible.
[12:16] The Quran is assuming the audience will have access to prior knowledge of these events to see what this is talking about.
[12:22] That's why you don't get detailed explanations.
[12:24] Okay.
[12:26] Now, can I go to the second examp
[12:29] that's that's a great point.
[12:30] Yeah.
[12:30] Now, if Moses receives revelation and talks about the sons of Adam and apparently now they have to say, "Hey, go to some historical source that can confirm this."
[12:43] Who you want me to answer the question?
[12:44] Unlike the case of Muhammad, God appeared in a pillar of cloud in front of 600,000 people, not counting men and women.
[12:51] And the Egyptians saw it.
[12:53] So, when God is on a mountain, you hear his voice.
[12:54] You don't need to go to prior sources.
[12:57] God is the witness.
[12:57] God speak.
[12:59] No, we don't.
[12:59] Because you beg the question.
[13:02] You assume that God is speaking to Muhammad.
[13:03] I'm telling you he didn't.
[13:05] Stop assuming what you've yet to prove.
[13:07] I understand.
[13:08] Can we go to the second example?
[13:09] I Perfect.
[13:10] I just wanted to make it clear that yes, you said it is based on the authority of God.
[13:16] And I agree with that.
[13:17] It's based on the authority of God.
[13:17] And how does God then authenticate someone?
[13:19] That's and that.
[13:20] Well, let's let's find let's find the verse that you want.
[13:21] Can we can we go down to the second example?
[13:23] Please read for me.
[13:24] So I got a lot.
[13:25] So we're going to say you're going to be confirming my point.
[13:26] Your Quran needs my Bible over and over again.
[13:30] But same chapter Surah Maida read 20 to 26.
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[14:38] When Moses said to his people, "Oh my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when he appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which uh he had not given anyone among the worlds.
[14:52] Oh my people uh enter the holy land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back from fighting in Allah's cause and thus become losers.
[15:01] They said, "Oh Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength and indeed we will never enter it until they leave it.
[15:08] But if they leave it, then we
[15:10] will enter.
[15:12] Said to men from the from those who feared to disobey upon whom Allah had bestowed favor, enter upon them through the gate.
[15:17] For when you have entered it, you will be predominant and upon uh and upon Allah rely if you should be believers.
[15:24] They said, "Oh Moses, indeed we will not enter it ever as long as there are they are within it.
[15:30] So go you and your Lord and fight.
[15:32] Indeed we are remaining right here."
[15:34] Moses said, "My Lord indeed I do not possess except myself and my brother."
[15:38] Another very beautiful verse.
[15:40] So part of uh from part of us uh so part us from the definely disobedient people.
[15:45] Allah said then indeed it is forbidden to them for 40 years in which they will wander through the land.
[15:51] So do not grieve over the divinely disobedient people.
[15:54] So they're going to enter what land?
[15:57] Uh did it define it here?
[15:59] I think it's uh Mubarak is mentioned somewhere else.
[16:01] The blessed land.
[16:02] Yeah.
[16:02] Where does the Quran mention Jerusalem or Israel?
[16:04] I don't think the word Jerusalem is uh is in the Quran that says the land was ben the children of Israel is mentioned.
[16:09] That's different.
[16:09] That's because Jacob
[16:10] was called Israel.
[16:11] Yeah.
[16:11] I'm not I'm not making the claim that the land of Israel.
[16:14] So I wanted to know what land Allah gave as an inheritance of Israel.
[16:17] So where do I go to?
[16:20] Um this the Quran detail.
[16:24] Allah can I answer you?
[16:25] Yeah I'm waiting.
[16:25] So when Allah says enter into a certain land, we are not told the parameters, the location, the longitudinal, latitude, latitudinal, these details are not given in the Quran.
[16:37] That being said, neither is it necessary.
[16:40] You're you're making the assumption necessary.
[16:44] One second.
[16:44] No, we can interact, but I'm letting you mid mid-sentence.
[16:48] If you can show me where the Quran is saying and you better get this information, therefore, okay, can we get it from the Quran?
[16:55] No.
[16:55] Can we get it from the prophet?
[16:57] No.
[16:57] Can we get it from the children of Israel?
[16:58] Now, now you have now you have now you have start chapter 17101 answers your dilemma.
[17:01] Read it for me.
[17:04] My goodness.
[17:05] Are we going to get to the Islam?
[17:06] I want to make something clear.
[17:07] This is part of the Islamic dilemma.
[17:09] You're in a dilemma.
[17:09] You need my Bible to make sense out of your Quran.
[17:12] You are assuming one.
[17:14] You don't want to finish, do you?
[17:16] You are making these.
[17:16] I'm gonna let you make speeches and I make only 5-second comments.
[17:20] Can you go to surah?
[17:21] Yeah.
[17:21] Surah saw what?
[17:22] So now it's going to tell you that what you said that I don't need to go to the children's or no the surah chapter 17 101.
[17:28] Thank you for me.
[17:31] Who do you ask when you need clarification for?
[17:36] Okay.
[17:36] Sorry.
[17:36] Uh and we certainly uh and we had certainly given Moses nine evident signs.
[17:40] So asked the children of Israel about when uh he came to them and Pharaoh said to him, "Indeed I think, oh Moses, that you are affected by magic."
[17:50] Who do you ask when you want clarification about things related to Israel?
[17:53] In this now we now we're nailed it.
[17:55] Well, I'd like to address this.
[17:58] So this is fantastic.
[17:59] Now we have finally gotten to a part that actually says, "Ask the children of Israel."
[18:06] Sure.
[18:06] So great.
[18:06] Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
[18:08] Now, when I want to know what land God gave to the Israelites, who do I ask?
[18:12] It doesn't say ask them about that.
[18:13] Oh, you mean it's only limited to the nine signs?
[18:15] I'm I'm trying to I'm sticking to the Quran.
[18:16] There's nothing wrong with God saying go ahead and ask the children of Israel about the miracles that they were given.
[18:22] That's fine.
[18:23] Okay.
[18:23] So, okay.
[18:23] But I I thank you for confirming the Quranic dilemma without you realizing.
[18:28] But thank you.
[18:28] Hopefully, you'll come back to the truth of Jesus Christ.
[18:31] Now, what's your question?
[18:33] My question.
[18:33] My question is, is there something wrong with the Quran saying ask them about the signs of Moses?
[18:39] Is there some What's the problem?
[18:39] No, it actually confirms the Quran depends on the Bible.
[18:41] That's the entire thesis of our discussion.
[18:42] So, I'm glad the Quran does that.
[18:45] That means you're stuck with my Bible, but I'm not stuck with your Quran.
[18:48] There's nothing wrong.
[18:48] You can there's there.
[18:48] Okay.
[18:48] So, let's let's use this rationale.
[18:52] God often says, "Ask the pagans this, ask them this.
[18:55] If" and even says, "If you ask them this, they will answer that."
[18:58] I'm sure the audience can pull up lots of verses.
[19:00] If you then want to say the Quran is now dependent upon pagan beliefs and so on so forth, it's just it's teaching you to interact with people and ask them questions and learn things about people.
[19:11] Not in that context.
[19:11] If you're asking if
[19:13] you're telling me what the Quran says, ask the pagans about this event.
[19:16] Yes, the Quran is now dependent on that particular tradition to confirm what the Quran says is not a lie.
[19:22] So, no, it actually confirms the opposite point that you're making.
[19:25] No, there's nothing wrong with asking a pagan something and then seeing where their answer goes and simply just having that interaction.
[19:33] If the pagan says that story didn't happen, it's a lie.
[19:34] Then what?
[19:35] Uh well, I don't want to go I don't know about this hypothetical situation you're getting into.
[19:38] So, I want you to ask me a verse because you said he had verses.
[19:41] I I would like you to Okay.
[19:41] So, I know you you are very confident that you just established the Islamic dilemma, but I'm I'm going to pretend that the audience is on my side just for a second.
[19:50] Okay. and uh you haven't brought a verse that actually shows that like I'm imagining again this young Christian man who really respects you he wants to walk into a mosque or talk to his Muslim friend and say this is the verse that shows that today's Bible is authentic now if he brings what you want me to bring
[20:09] just one second if he brings 17101 and says see here is proof and evidence
[20:15] that Muslims you are encouraged to
[20:18] dialogue with the Isra ask them to ask
[20:22] them questions to ask them about the
[20:23] signs then for for you to then
[20:25] extrapolate and say and that is the
[20:28] evidence that is a 100% proof that the
[20:29] entirety of the Bible is authentic
[20:31] then that's clearly they're not going to
[20:34] let me ask you a question so you
[20:35] understand my argument because I don't
[20:36] think I'm clear enough for you to get
[20:37] it. If
[20:40] you're told to ask the children of
[20:42] Israel about the nine signs, but then
[20:44] their scriptur is corrupted, how can you
[20:46] trust them to tell you what the signs
[20:47] are when their source is defective?
[20:49] Fantastic. Good. I I would love to
[20:51] answer that.
[20:52] So, the good thing is that we do not
[20:54] make the claim that everything in their
[20:56] book is 100% inauthentic. We don't make
[20:59] that statement in Islam.
[21:00] Yeah, I know. In Islam, what we say is
[21:02] that it was revealed like a scripture
[21:04] was revealed to Moses to Jesus and that
[21:07] they have passed it on. Even though
[21:09] there are verses that clearly
[21:10] demonstrate that or uh corruption has
[21:12] we can get into that. I know what you're
[21:13] talking about. 279 379. We'll get there.
[21:15] Perfect. So despite the fact that there
[21:17] has been done, we are not claiming that
[21:20] everything they have uh they have with
[21:21] them is completely corrupted. So there's
[21:23] nothing wrong with us going up to these
[21:25] people and saying, "Isn't it the case
[21:26] that this has happened to you?" And if
[21:28] we look at the broader context, it's
[21:29] it's reminding them of the blessings
[21:30] that God has given and they know this.
[21:31] Okay. So now, how do you know those
[21:34] parts of their scripture
[21:36] is incorrupt? What do you use?
[21:38] The Quran.
[21:38] Exactly. Circular reasoning. Good job.
[21:41] So you Well, let me explain. You're
[21:43] absolutely right. I do depend upon the
[21:45] Quran. I do believe
[21:46] in a circular fashion because when the
[21:47] Quran needs to be bailed out, go ask
[21:49] them. But when it then contradicts the
[21:51] Quran, oh, that's when your scriptur is
[21:52] corrupt. Now, let me give you a verse
[21:54] about the Torah. That's what
[21:55] Let's start with the Torah. First of
[21:56] all, who's the Torah given to?
[21:58] Uh, Allah, excuse me. The prophet told
[22:00] us the Torah was given to Mus Alar.
[22:02] Can you give me the verse where it says
[22:03] the Torah was given the to Moses?
[22:04] I told you. The prophet said, "I can
[22:06] tell you the verse."
[22:06] Oh, wait, wait, wait. We start here.
[22:08] Well, no, no, no, no, wait, wait.
[22:09] Because if you're going to go to Hadith,
[22:10] we're going to have a field day. You
[22:11] began by saying you're going to stay
[22:13] with the Quran alone. Do you remember
[22:14] that?
[22:14] Uh, for the Islamic dilemma.
[22:16] Yes.
[22:16] Okay. So, stay with the Quran because if
[22:18] we go to the Hadith, you're going to
[22:19] make my case stronger. Can you show me
[22:21] in the Quran where it says the Torah is
[22:23] given to Moses?
[22:24] Okay. That's not the Islamic dilemma.
[22:27] You said I'm the granddaddy of the
[22:29] Islamic dilemma, right? [laughter]
[22:30] You don't tell the dude who's what it
[22:32] is. Yeah. Can you answer the question?
[22:34] So I I will answer the question.
[22:35] Show me where it is.
[22:36] The Quran refers to Musa Alam receiving
[22:39] a book, right? And then when you ask the
[22:42] question, well, which is this inki
[22:45] authentic? We have Mus Alam being told
[22:48] Moses being just one second. most
[22:54] that the Torah was sent upon you. So now
[22:58] again,
[22:58] you ready for the response?
[23:00] I I I'm not sure how you are
[23:01] establishing the Islamic dilemma.
[23:02] You ready for the response? Iban Kir and
[23:04] his ex Jesus quoting Bkari
[23:07] 757
[23:09] citing a passage that's not the Torah,
[23:12] but it's resembles Isaiah. And he says
[23:14] that in the understanding the caf the
[23:17] Torah was used for all the scriptures of
[23:20] the people of the book not just the
[23:21] books of Moses. That's why I say don't
[23:23] go to the hadith. You're going to make
[23:24] my case. So do you agree
[23:26] according to the Salaf the word Torat
[23:28] was not limited to the books of Moses
[23:30] but all the scriptures?
[23:31] Yes. So I I can ask you.
[23:33] Okay. No, but do you agree?
[23:34] I'm answering you.
[23:35] Okay. Go ahead.
[23:35] Thank you. Thank you. So uh we know that
[23:38] the word Torah could be translated as
[23:40] law or instructions, right? So it could
[23:42] be a reference to specifically what was
[23:44] given to Moses. And you're right that
[23:46] amongst the set there is a there is a
[23:48] quote that is talking about how this law
[23:52] could be used or this term Torah could
[23:54] be reference to the law in general. So
[23:55] it could be specific
[23:56] not law in general. It says the
[23:57] scriptures.
[23:58] Jewish law, excuse me.
[23:59] No, no, not Jewish law. Scriptures.
[24:00] Because I'm going to bring it up if you
[24:02] don't want to bring it up.
[24:03] You can bring up whatever you like. My
[24:04] point is that this doesn't establish the
[24:05] Islamic dilemma in any way whatsoever.
[24:07] You can you can keep saying that. That's
[24:08] fine. I'm not here to convince you. Do
[24:10] you agree
[24:12] that when you go outside of the Quran,
[24:14] the Torah now refers to the scriptures
[24:17] and the possession of Jews and
[24:18] Christians? Or then do I need to bring
[24:19] out the references?
[24:20] May I answer?
[24:21] Can you answer?
[24:22] Yes, I'm waiting.
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[25:15] So, we know that the Torah can be a
[25:18] reference to what was revealed to Moses.
[25:19] That's usually how it's used. But since
[25:21] it also means law and instruction, it's
[25:23] often colloially colloquially used in
[25:26] the sense to mean what? That this is the
[25:29] Jewish law more broadly. And yes, you
[25:31] have a quote from the Salaf that's
[25:32] mentioned that affirms this idea
[25:35] and that's fine. No,
[25:36] but do you agree? You still didn't say
[25:38] scriptures. You kept saying law.
[25:40] Do you agree with the Salaf? The word
[25:43] Torat refers to the scriptures of the
[25:45] Jews and Christians. You still didn't
[25:46] answer that. You said Jewish.
[25:48] I'm going to try to answer.
[25:49] Yeah. Well, this is the third attempt.
[25:50] Okay. As the prophet sallallam defined,
[25:54] the Torah is exactly what was sent to
[25:56] Moses. But since that term, okay, can be
[25:59] used more broadly, that's not a big
[26:00] deal.
[26:00] Okay, so you agree
[26:01] that it can be used more broadly. Your
[26:03] your quote I I'm not against it.
[26:04] So you just confirmed two points of
[26:06] mine. Number one, you can't Well, yeah.
[26:08] I mean, you can laugh.
[26:09] Go ahead. I didn't interrupt. I don't
[26:10] want to interrupt.
[26:10] No, sir. Number one, you can answer from
[26:12] the Quran even though you began by
[26:13] saying you're going to stick with the
[26:14] Quran.
[26:15] It's okay. I want you to go to Hadith
[26:16] because you're going to make my case. I
[26:18] would love for you go to Hadith and your
[26:19] scholars,
[26:21] but let's come back here. [laughter]
[26:23] Okay.
[26:25] Go ahead.
[26:26] Okay.
[26:27] [laughter]
[26:28] Yeah. Well, we have a different concept
[26:30] of we can talk about that. Okay. Now,
[26:31] coming back to the issue.
[26:32] Yeah.
[26:33] You didn't stick with the Quran.
[26:34] Beautiful.
[26:35] For what? For the definition of Torah.
[26:36] Sure.
[26:37] Yeah. And then but when you go outside
[26:38] the Quran now, the Torah is not just the
[26:40] books given to Moses. It's all the
[26:41] scriptures.
[26:42] The word if you want to use the word
[26:44] linguistically.
[26:44] Okay.
[26:45] Okay. Now, can I can I just can I just
[26:46] make a comment?
[26:46] Let me bring up the because I have to
[26:48] maybe have to prove it to him.
[26:49] I'm going to I'm going to grant you
[26:50] everything you're saying and I don't
[26:51] have a problem with it.
[26:52] All right.
[26:52] Right. Actually, you know what? Can I
[26:54] make a one quick tangent point? For
[26:56] sure.
[26:56] This is going to be a funny hopefully.
[26:57] All right. This is not a trick question.
[26:58] It's a very straightforward question.
[26:59] Don't
[26:59] ask me. Yeah.
[27:00] Quick tangent. Um
[27:01] uh you believe that obviously you have a
[27:03] biological father, correct? And
[27:05] obviously
[27:05] hopefully I do.
[27:06] And obviously you believe in
[27:08] the aliens inseminate my mother. I don't
[27:10] know.
[27:10] Thank god. So you have a biological
[27:12] father, right? You also have a um what's
[27:14] it called? Heavenly father when you say
[27:15] our father who art in heaven. You
[27:16] believe that? Of course. Right.
[27:17] Sure. Right. And you also I believe
[27:19] you're Catholic. So I believe you call
[27:20] your priests a father. Correct.
[27:22] Okay. Okay.
[27:23] Yes. So you do acknowledge that even the
[27:25] term father can be used in a literal
[27:28] biological sense or in a divine sense or
[27:30] in a figurative sort of like leader
[27:32] religious leader sense. Yeah.
[27:34] If you were there when God logic was
[27:36] here you would have saved us an hour.
[27:38] Thank you. You remember that
[27:41] any sense? In any sense. He just kept
[27:44] saying it over an hour. You want me to
[27:45] address that point?
[27:46] No. No. Well, I'm I'm I'm glad I can
[27:48] address it for him. All I'm trying to
[27:50] say is thank you for acknowledging thank
[27:52] you for acknowledging that a term like
[27:53] father can be used in multiple sense
[27:55] senses and so I'm simply saying that
[27:57] when you want to use the word Torah yes
[28:00] the I've already said this I've said
[28:01] this you have to force it out of you
[28:03] because you're saying Jewish law being
[28:04] honest you're forcing me right
[28:06] Torah is what Moses received but if you
[28:09] want to use it linguistically it could
[28:10] be a reference as you said the use it
[28:12] more broadly
[28:13] can you read that what it says in iba
[28:14] okay I'm going to read it and then I'm
[28:16] going to make a comment please let me
[28:17] make my comment after
[28:17] we'll let you make comments And I'm just
[28:19] enjoying.
[28:19] It was common in the speech of our setup
[28:20] that they Yeah, I know this quote. I've
[28:21] seen it.
[28:21] No, read it so they can hear it.
[28:22] I'm sorry. It was common in the speech
[28:24] of our that they describe the books of
[28:26] the people of the two scriptures of the
[28:28] Torah as some hadith concur. Yes. Okay.
[28:30] Okay. So, it's not just the books of
[28:32] Moses.
[28:33] It was common. Yes. In this common
[28:34] usage,
[28:35] it's quoting the hadith of Bkari, by the
[28:36] way, where it's referring to Isaiah 42.
[28:38] But go ahead.
[28:39] Because the word Torah means
[28:40] law/instruction, then this range of
[28:43] meaning can be used. But we do know that
[28:45] obviously Oh, please, please, please,
[28:46] please, please,
[28:47] buddy. I haven't been cutting you off.
[28:49] But but obviously the Torah was revealed
[28:52] to Moses as I gave you the reference
[28:53] for. Now No, before you
[28:55] You can't get that from the Quran,
[28:56] right?
[28:56] I You just told me I can finish make my
[28:58] point now. I I said I'd read it. Yes.
[28:59] You said I can read your quote and I can
[29:01] make my point. Go ahead.
[29:02] Thank you.
[29:02] That's a dialogue, brother. We have to
[29:03] dialogue. You know, a monologue.
[29:05] If I want a monologue, I'll hear one of
[29:06] your lectures when you give a But go
[29:08] ahead.
[29:10] So, so just to be clear, let me just put
[29:11] a conclusion on this if that's okay with
[29:12] you.
[29:13] Go ahead. In conclusion, I'm sorry. If a
[29:17] Christian goes up to a Muslim and says,
[29:18] "Here's the knockdown evidence that
[29:20] everything in the Torah or in the Bible
[29:22] more specifically is 100% accurate. I
[29:25] don't think this is going to help them."
[29:26] Okay, you made a lot of assertions and
[29:28] you gave not a cintella proof. Let me
[29:30] deal with your false analogy. Which
[29:32] Catholic
[29:35] says [clears throat] that the 66 books
[29:38] that the Protestants hold in common with
[29:40] the Catholics, they're corrupt and
[29:41] unreliable? the the ones that say that
[29:43] it's missing. It's missing.
[29:44] That's not corruption. Missing is not
[29:46] corruption. Let me repeat my question
[29:47] again.
[29:48] Still, let me let me let me clarify.
[29:49] Missing if it's is is guidance
[29:51] important. Are books of the Bible
[29:53] important? Sure.
[29:53] Of course they are. Right. So if you
[29:55] take chunks out of it, that's going to
[29:57] be deficient.
[29:58] Okay. So now let me turn your analogy
[30:00] against you. So you just established not
[30:02] the Torah is corrupted,
[30:04] the Torah is incomplete, but what is
[30:06] there is not corrupted. Because if your
[30:09] analogy works, I want you to hear
[30:11] yourself.
[30:12] If your analogy works, whatever the
[30:14] Torah they had, unccorrupt, pure, but it
[30:17] was simply incomplete, but it was
[30:18] complete enough to guide them. So what
[30:21] was that Torah that they have at that
[30:22] time?
[30:22] You you so you made the assertion that's
[30:24] enough to guide them. No, look, let's
[30:25] read the word.
[30:26] That's what the Quran says.
[30:26] Let me just say let me say what it says.
[30:28] You know what the word means? You know,
[30:31] you know what that that is?
[30:32] Superlative. It is more guiding.
[30:35] More guiding.
[30:35] More guiding than what?
[30:36] Than the paganism.
[30:37] Okay. So what was the Torah that was
[30:39] more guiding than the paganism? uh the
[30:40] book that you guys have. Oh, excuse me.
[30:42] So, it existed at that time.
[30:43] So, I'm explaining I'm explaining
[30:46] the Torah that was revealed to Moses
[30:49] pristine throughout history corruption.
[30:52] The Quran comes to make conscious edits
[30:55] which are very clear.
[30:57] Now, God is simply telling pagans that
[30:59] look
[31:00] these books are more guidance than what
[31:02] you have
[31:03] and you're asserting this means it's
[31:05] 100% accurate. Now, I'm I'm happy that
[31:07] you have that assertion. I'm saying that
[31:09] the audience, the Christian audience,
[31:10] when they're they're like, "Should I
[31:11] write down 2848?"
[31:13] You keep repeating that as a mantra. Can
[31:14] we cut to the chase, get to the point?
[31:16] So, do you acknowledge, uh, buddy, it's
[31:18] not enough for you? That's fine. That's
[31:20] between [laughter] you and your Lord on
[31:21] the day of judgment. While I'm talking
[31:23] to you, I'm just asking you.
[31:25] So, people hear it because you speak too
[31:26] fast. So, you admit No, I'm just I want
[31:28] to hear it that at least you're
[31:30] conceding that the Torah they had at
[31:33] time what I have today.
[31:34] I'm not saying it's uncrup. We're going
[31:36] to get there step by step. I'm I'm
[31:38] saying so what did they have?
[31:39] I'm saying that what is being confirmed
[31:41] is better guidance than what the pagans
[31:43] have.
[31:43] That's not my question. Do I need to
[31:44] repeat it a fourth time?
[31:45] No. No. You just made an assertion about
[31:47] what did they have at that time that was
[31:49] the Torah? Is it what I have today? I'm
[31:51] not saying it's uncorre
[31:58] I'll tell you what they had. Your
[32:00] Quran's going to tell you. It's going to
[32:01] answer for you. Go to Surah Maida 5:45.
[32:04] Read it for me.
[32:05] 45. Perfect.
[32:06] It's going to tell you what it had. So,
[32:07] let's I'm I'm still waiting for the
[32:08] Islamic land.
[32:09] Oh, you're going to get it. Shish kebab
[32:10] [laughter] and barbecue time. 5:45
[32:14] laughing. Come on. [laughter]
[32:18] Kebab. Yeah, kebab. You see, I'm fat.
[32:24] I'm not going to read the Arabic. Okay.
[32:25] Uh, and we ordained for them therein a
[32:28] life for a life, an eye for an eye, a
[32:30] nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a
[32:32] tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is
[32:34] legal retribution. For whoever gives up
[32:37] his right as charity, it is an expation
[32:38] for him. And whoever does not judge by
[32:41] what Allah has revealed, then it is
[32:43] those who are wrongdoers.
[32:44] So whatever the Torah was, it tells you
[32:46] that it contains this passage that's in
[32:48] Exodus 22 21:22 to2. So I don't need to
[32:51] go to time machine. The Quran brought
[32:53] the time machine to me.
[32:54] Perfect.
[32:55] So we know what it is. Okay. Now read
[32:57] 46. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not done yet.
[32:58] I'll let you preach. Can you read 46?
[33:00] You let me read the passage.
[33:01] Okay. But no, no. prior to that if you
[33:03] look at the time you speak more than me
[33:05] which I don't mind.
[33:06] I'm trying to you said I speak I got to
[33:08] go slower for your sake for everybody's
[33:09] sake. Okay.
[33:10] So, just to be clear,
[33:11] yes,
[33:12] this is affirming that this is what was
[33:13] revealed to them and you're saying,
[33:14] "Look, we can still find an exit." To
[33:16] which I say, "Fantastic. I'm glad that
[33:18] part was maintained."
[33:19] But if you read 46, it's going to make
[33:21] right. So, we moving away. Every time we
[33:22] go to one, we have to move to the next.
[33:24] I'm just waiting for the actual
[33:24] I'm giving you the context. I want you.
[33:26] No, you're doing great. Let's go. Let's
[33:27] go for it. Allah says what? Uh, yes. 46.
[33:30] 46. And we sent following in their
[33:32] footsteps Jesus the son of Mary
[33:34] confirming that which came before him in
[33:36] the Torah.
[33:37] Give the Arabic and translate for them
[33:38] what it says.
[33:46] translate it literally for them.
[33:47] Let's go. And we uh Yeah, sure. Uh and
[33:50] we sent following in the footsteps uh
[33:53] Jesus in their footsteps, excuse me.
[33:55] Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that
[33:56] which came before him.
[33:58] That's not the translation. Translate
[34:00] literally for me.
[34:00] Okay. So, now now we're getting into it.
[34:02] Thank you. Thank you. We're getting into
[34:04] it. The word bay. Is that what you're
[34:05] getting at? No, I just want you to
[34:07] translate it because I didn't make my
[34:08] point yet. Please don't preach it. Let's
[34:09] forget the verse. Translate it
[34:11] literally. So I don't think I'm
[34:12] misrating.
[34:13] Bane means between.
[34:14] Okay.
[34:15] His hands, right?
[34:16] Means uh uh B. Well, so the the question
[34:18] is was he? But let's say between the
[34:21] hands because the thing is who's the he
[34:23] in this case the the that is a little
[34:25] bit ambiguous but anyway that's fine. So
[34:27] whatever Tori had at that time, right?
[34:29] And what's the context of this
[34:30] discussion?
[34:31] Why is Jesus been mentioned? No, no. I
[34:33] want to because the concept is in 43.
[34:35] But I want to know if you know the
[34:36] context.
[34:36] Can Can we Can we Can Can I just address
[34:38] cuz you you're making a big deal about B
[34:39] day. It's important that people
[34:40] That's not even I just want people
[34:42] You made me translate it, but now can I
[34:43] explain it?
[34:44] Well, I mean, if you want me to get to
[34:45] the point because if you keep
[34:46] explaining, we're not going to get to
[34:47] the point, but go ahead.
[34:48] Thank you. This is this is an important
[34:50] caveat here.
[34:52] Yeah.
[34:53] Technically means between the hands,
[34:54] let's say, right?
[34:55] So you that's literal. Good.
[34:57] That's the literal translation.
[34:58] Now, this is beautiful that we're
[34:59] speaking in English because in English
[35:01] there is also an ambiguity. This is an
[35:04] expression that means the word before.
[35:06] And the reason why I say that is because
[35:07] the word before has a dual meaning. I
[35:10] could I can say that this
[35:13] having you up.
[35:13] Yeah. Yeah. I I can say that this laptop
[35:15] is before me as in between my hands in
[35:17] front of me. But it can also mean uh Sam
[35:20] got to the studio before me, meaning
[35:22] prior to me. Right. Good stuff. So
[35:25] because this has the range of meaning,
[35:28] it absolutely does not uh cannot be used
[35:31] to restrict it to one meaning. And
[35:34] therefore if we affirm in this verse or
[35:37] any other verse that revelation was sent
[35:39] before
[35:40] and you're saying well wait a second is
[35:41] this before me like in front of my hands
[35:43] or before me like prior to me your
[35:46] Islamic dilemma won't work because you
[35:48] don't even know what I'm going to argue
[35:49] from this. You're already assuming I
[35:50] know what you think you're playing
[35:51] chess, but I'm going to
[35:53] be patient. Yeah, my brother.
[35:55] I just want to make sure everybody
[35:56] understands Ben means before and before
[35:57] has a dual meaning. Can't be restricted
[35:58] to one.
[35:59] Not in that Arabic text.
[36:00] Can't be restricted to one,
[36:00] but not in that text. It's like I can
[36:02] give you Muhammad Assad, but we're not
[36:03] going to go to scholars. That's my
[36:04] scholarship. Trump, your scholar. No,
[36:05] that's not what it means. But that's
[36:06] fine.
[36:07] That's not my argument in the context.
[36:09] Why is Jesus being mentioned at the time
[36:11] of Muhammad to the Jews? What's the
[36:14] context? You know the context of
[36:16] we just read it. Verse 45.
[36:17] But can you repeat it? You want to read
[36:19] the verse again? Go ahead. Just just
[36:20] make your point. I I read you asked me
[36:21] to read the context is a rebuke to the
[36:24] Jews. Don't come to Muhammad. Go to the
[36:26] Torah. Why? Because this is the Torah
[36:28] that was used by the prophets, rabbis.
[36:30] It was used by Jesus and he confirmed
[36:32] it. What Old Testament did or Torah did
[36:34] Jesus confirm?
[36:36] I'm sorry. What Torah did?
[36:39] Where are you getting any of this from
[36:39] the text?
[36:40] For verse 43, friend.
[36:42] No, you we're doing a lot of jumping.
[36:44] When we When we Where you going to land?
[36:47] Can we land?
[36:48] Which verse? Which verse is a Dream? Do
[36:50] me a favor. Which verse?
[36:51] Stop the preaching.
[36:53] I'm being I'm not Dreamian. Stop.
[36:54] Why did we come to 45 46? We're going to
[36:56] go to 43.
[36:57] Because I can follow the arguments. I'll
[36:58] help you follow along,
[36:59] please.
[36:59] Because I use 45 to show you whatever
[37:02] Torah they had has a verse that we can
[37:06] now verify to see if that verse is in my
[37:08] Torah today.
[37:09] I can see that. Yeah.
[37:09] Number one. So then I want to establish
[37:11] because you're saying I haven't. I'm
[37:13] establishing it. So my question is why
[37:16] is Jesus being mentioned
[37:18] in the context of the Torah saying that
[37:21] this is the Torah he had before him?
[37:23] What's the context? Why is the Quran
[37:25] mentioning that?
[37:26] To let us know that we sent following
[37:28] their footsteps Jesus son of Mary
[37:30] confirming that which came before him in
[37:31] the Torah. So that we know it. So that
[37:32] we learn this. If you like what?
[37:34] So that we learn about this is teaching
[37:36] us what happened in
[37:37] No, the context is 43 which you haven't
[37:39] read.
[37:39] Great. Let's go to it. I'm happy to go
[37:41] wherever you like but you're not
[37:42] 43 48. I don't know. I know you keep I'm
[37:43] not repeating. Yeah. Keep saying. I'm
[37:45] not I'm not confirming it. That's okay.
[37:47] You can live in that world of yours. But
[37:48] let's read it.
[37:49] I'm I'm very comfortable in my world and
[37:51] I am waiting for the Islamic dilemma.
[37:54] Oh, we've been I've been given it for
[37:55] the last hour, but it's okay. Keep
[37:56] going.
[37:56] If you did, then we wouldn't Okay, let's
[37:57] keep going.
[37:58] 40, my friend.
[37:59] Perfect. Now, we're getting This is This
[38:00] is This is fantastic. What about
[38:06] Now we're getting somewhere.
[38:07] Yeah.
[38:07] And how is it that they come to you for
[38:09] judgment while they have the Torah?
[38:11] Yeah. in which is the judgment of Allah.
[38:14] Yeah.
[38:15] Now, see, now we're getting somewhere.
[38:16] Keep reading.
[38:17] Okay. Uh then they turn away even after
[38:19] that. But those are not in fact the
[38:21] believers. Good.
[38:22] Okay. So, now that we read the context,
[38:24] it's telling the Jews go to the Torah.
[38:26] And then what does it present to them
[38:28] why they should go to the Torah?
[38:29] I I do you do realize that when you say
[38:31] it's talking about the context that came
[38:33] everything you just we just quoted was
[38:34] after this. So when usually when they
[38:36] say context, you're saying before this.
[38:37] My apologies. I assume that you knew the
[38:39] Islamic dilemma because you've been
[38:40] studying it, right? You've been saying
[38:42] that, right? I'm the granddaddy. So, I
[38:44] thought you knew this.
[38:44] I said, "Oh,
[38:45] forgive me. I thought you knew the
[38:47] context." But nonetheless,
[38:49] in this context, why is Jesus being
[38:51] mentioned? Then it mentions the prophets
[38:53] and rabbis. What point is the Quran
[38:55] trying to drive to the Jews?
[38:58] Would you like to answer?
[38:59] I've been waiting.
[38:59] Okay, fantastic. So in this particular
[39:01] verse, Allah is saying, "And how is it
[39:04] that they come to you for judgment while
[39:05] they have the Torah in which is the
[39:07] judgment of Allah?" This is now you've
[39:09] landed on something that the Muslims do
[39:10] scratch their heads about. You're
[39:11] perfectly fine. Now, let me offer you a
[39:14] very simple common sense analogy.
[39:16] [laughter]
[39:17] I hope you answered the question. I
[39:18] swear I've been waiting.
[39:18] Sure, sure, sure. I'm going to I'm going
[39:19] to I just want to make sure that it's
[39:20] clear to the audience
[39:22] that this is a question and so I'll give
[39:23] an analogy. Let's say if somebody is
[39:27] says, "I am undefeable when it comes to
[39:29] one-on-one basketball. Can't be beaten,
[39:30] right? I'm the best." And then you see
[39:32] him lose. So you walk up to that guy and
[39:35] you say the words, uh, "How is it that
[39:37] you just lost and you're undefeable?"
[39:39] Now listen to the wording carefully. How
[39:41] is it that you just lost and you're
[39:43] undefeable? Somebody could take that
[39:44] sentence say, see, you do agree I am
[39:47] undefeable. But it's like, no, man. I'm
[39:48] asking, how do we reconcile two ideas?
[39:51] Right? So this verse is simply asking
[39:53] the question, how do you reconcile these
[39:55] two ideas? How is it possible that
[39:59] you're you have this claim? We have the
[40:01] full Torah with us. We have God's
[40:02] judgment.
[40:02] I didn't make that claim. I asked you
[40:04] what's the context? Why are they
[40:05] appealing to the prophets and Jesus? You
[40:06] didn't answer the question.
[40:08] This is how it's been for the last hour.
[40:09] You don't answer questions. You go on
[40:10] tangent. So I'm gonna ask the question a
[40:12] fifth time.
[40:12] Sure.
[40:13] Why is the Quran mentioning the
[40:16] prophets, the rabbis, and Jesus
[40:20] appealing to the Torah for
[40:22] [clears throat]
[40:23] their decisions in the context of the
[40:26] Jews coming to Muhammad? I'm still
[40:28] waiting for that answer. You keep going
[40:29] on here and here and no, it doesn't.
[40:31] Hold on. Hold on. What's the Are Are you
[40:33] quoting this this verse?
[40:35] 43 to 48. But we you I thought you knew
[40:37] the context, but Okay, my brother, new
[40:39] humanity, don't stop at 43. Read 44 to
[40:41] 46. Good. Because I guess we got I just
[40:44] want I just want to make sure that the
[40:45] audience knows that 43 does not confirm
[40:48] the Islamic dilemma.
[40:50] It actually pulverizes your objections
[40:51] against it. But if you just answer
[40:53] questions, we haven't even gotten there
[40:54] cuz we have to go on to this analogy
[40:56] here, analogy there, and oh, hey, look
[40:58] at the birdie over there.
[41:00] Let's do this cuz it is getting like
[41:02] flated with time.
[41:04] Can you ask your question one more time
[41:06] and then answer because I haven't even
[41:08] gotten to a cintilla of the verses that
[41:10] I want to. I got too many. But I'm
[41:12] trying to walk you through it because
[41:13] you said I'm the OG. So the OG is trying
[41:14] to walk you through it. Now
[41:16] in the context that Jesus was mentioned
[41:19] and then prior to that prophets are
[41:21] mentioned. Yes. Who judged by it?
[41:23] What is the Quran's point? What is it
[41:26] trying to get to the Jews by mentioning
[41:28] the prophets and Jesus appealing to the
[41:30] Torah? The verses that we read earlier
[41:34] were emphasizing that they had
[41:36] revelation and that they judged by it
[41:39] and Allah is informing us what happened
[41:40] in the past and then telling us about
[41:42] Jesus, how he came and how he applied
[41:45] the law of God in the past.
[41:48] None of this except this one.
[41:49] You keep saying none of it. But why is
[41:52] he saying Well, no, hold on. You've been
[41:54] talking, but you got to answer.
[41:55] [laughter] Why is he saying Jesus
[41:58] appealed to the Torah? What's the point
[41:59] he's trying to make to the Jews?
[42:01] That
[42:02] not to you that's saying it doesn't
[42:03] confirm the Islamic dilemma.
[42:04] That Jesus confirmed the Torah. That's
[42:07] for what reason?
[42:08] Because it's God's law.
[42:10] And what is he trying to convince the
[42:11] Jews to do
[42:12] where
[42:13] in 43 to 48?
[42:14] 43 exactly.
[42:16] So what is the point? That's a six times
[42:18] answer. No,
[42:18] but you you you you ask like a bunch of
[42:21] questions that are sort of unrelated.
[42:22] Turn connected. No to you. They may be
[42:24] disconnected.
[42:24] I'm trying to I'm trying to get to your
[42:26] point.
[42:26] So you going to answer it?
[42:27] Yes. Sorry,
[42:28] this verse is asking a question and
[42:30] highlighting the fact that they are
[42:32] making the claim that they have the full
[42:34] Torah and yet they are going to the
[42:35] prophet as well.
[42:36] You even added to the text. They didn't
[42:37] make no claim. They said, "Why do they
[42:39] come to you for judgment? You're even
[42:41] misrepresenting the context. They went
[42:42] to Muhammad for a legal issue."
[42:45] Correct. Now, if you want to go to your
[42:47] commentators is because someone
[42:48] committed adultery.
[42:49] Okay. Okay. So, it's not saying we have
[42:51] the full Torah. They're trying to ignore
[42:53] the Torah. It's your prophet saying you
[42:55] better go to the Torah.
[42:57] No. Read it. It's a question.
[42:59] It's a question asking how is it the
[43:01] case? [laughter]
[43:02] Yeah.
[43:03] How is the case? What?
[43:04] How is it the case?
[43:05] Yes.
[43:06] That they're coming to you and they have
[43:09] the Torah that has the judgment of God.
[43:12] Thank you for confirming my point so I
[43:14] can answer the question.
[43:15] Yes.
[43:16] I did it, but I'll do it again.
[43:17] No, no, no. The question of why appeal
[43:19] to the prophets and Jesus
[43:22] to the Jews at the time Muhammad, what
[43:24] is it trying to get to? Now, if you
[43:25] don't know the answer, I'll give it to
[43:26] you and then you can try your best to
[43:27] refute it because I'm still waiting for
[43:28] the answer.
[43:29] Do you know the answer?
[43:30] Are you good?
[43:31] No, just go ahead. Do you think
[43:33] the reason why the prophets rabbis are
[43:35] Jesus mentioned is to tell the Jews if
[43:37] the Torah was good enough for them to
[43:39] judge by, it's good enough for you. So,
[43:41] I'm going to ask you something in that
[43:43] chain of transmission from Jesus to the
[43:45] prophets to the Jews. When did
[43:47] corruption take place?
[43:49] Okay. Are you good?
[43:50] You going to answer though? We're not
[43:51] going to give us a 10-minute job.
[43:52] Just cut the fluff of like, "Are you
[43:54] gonna answer? Let's just like" And then
[43:55] you're like, "Are you good? Are you
[43:57] good?" Like,
[43:57] because he cuts me off a lot. I don't
[43:59] know why you don't see him cutting me
[44:00] off.
[44:00] I just I just criticized him, too. I
[44:02] said, "Hey, like are you going to
[44:03] answer?" Okay. Do you know what my
[44:04] question is repeated? I want you to go
[44:06] on another
[44:07] Well, the thing is your question has a
[44:09] whole bunch of assertions.
[44:11] Just repeat what my question was.
[44:12] You're saying so given the fact that
[44:14] it's saying that Jesus used the Torah
[44:17] and therefore it was good enough for
[44:19] him. Look, you're just making a bunch of
[44:21] finish my question
[44:22] there. Therefore, why isn't it good
[44:23] enough for them? I'm explaining to you
[44:25] that
[44:25] that wasn't my question. So, now you I
[44:27] said, when did corruption take place?
[44:30] From the time of prophet,
[44:32] did Jeremy ask that question?
[44:33] That was his last question. Go ahead.
[44:34] That was the last question. Yeah, last
[44:35] question. After a bunch of
[44:37] after a bunch of I love you because
[44:39] you're a son of Adam.
[44:40] Allah, son of Adam. Yeah, son of Adam.
[44:43] Can you tell me? Okay, let's
[44:45] I'm following your trail now. I'm going
[44:47] to talk. I'm going to talk for a few
[44:48] seconds. Okay.
[44:49] Yeah.
[44:50] You quoted verse 45.
[44:52] Yes.
[44:52] Nobody can use that to prove that.
[44:55] Please, man.
[44:56] Nobody can use that to prove there. See,
[44:58] this is decisively concluding that
[45:00] today's Bible is is confirmed. 46. It
[45:03] didn't help you. You went to 43. That
[45:04] was your best shot. The problem is it's
[45:06] not an assertion. It's a question about
[45:08] a contradictory behavior. That's it.
[45:10] Okay. So, now
[45:11] so now there's there's nothing in this
[45:13] that's actually helping you. That's why
[45:14] you have to keep jumping and saying,
[45:15] "But you're not answering me." And you
[45:16] make assertions, but you're not
[45:17] answering this. But you make assertions
[45:18] like just find which verse you want.
[45:20] How am I jumping when I'm teaching you
[45:21] the context? You didn't know
[45:23] the cont the we read it. Everybody can
[45:25] read it. I'm I'm so happy that people
[45:27] can follow.
[45:28] You need to answer your question
[45:29] directly for me to make a point and
[45:30] you're saying I'm cutting you off
[45:32] every time.
[45:32] Yeah.
[45:33] You quote a verse. I'm hoping that
[45:34] people just read it and ask themselves,
[45:36] is this the instance that confirms
[45:38] today's?
[45:38] You didn't answer my question. Why don't
[45:39] you appeal to the masses?
[45:40] Because because I'm not going to get
[45:41] through.
[45:41] Let me repeat it again. Repeat it again,
[45:43] my friend. See? and and then again
[45:44] people can go see who's cutting off who
[45:46] because you go on tangents and I'm
[45:47] trying to run with you because I'm
[45:48] trying to lose weight so you're a good
[45:50] runner.
[45:50] So but coming to the issue I had to
[45:53] educate you what the context of my
[45:55] dawas.
[45:55] Thank you.
[45:56] I assumed you knew it.
[45:58] Forgive me for assuming that you a
[45:59] Muslim knew the Quran. Forgive me.
[46:01] I like the shots.
[46:02] Okay. So yeah it is it's got to be a
[46:03] shot because you've been taking a lot of
[46:04] shots but saying you're not getting
[46:07] so now that we know the context that's
[46:09] why I went here and here cuz I'm trying
[46:11] to keep you on track. The context of
[46:13] surah 543-48
[46:15] is to convince the Jews, judge by your
[46:18] Torah. Don't go to Muhammad for this
[46:20] decision because your Torah has a
[46:21] guidance. And then it gives Jesus and
[46:23] the prophets an example that they too
[46:25] judge by the Torah. So my question in
[46:27] light of that is from Jesus to the time
[46:30] of Muhammad, it shows they had the same
[46:32] Torah because it says he's confirming
[46:34] this Torah that you have. When did
[46:37] corruption take place from the time of
[46:39] Jesus and Muhammad? If I could jump into
[46:40] a time machine and tell you every person
[46:42] that made a textual variant, then I
[46:45] could tell you exactly why God in the
[46:46] Quran has to make textual edits or
[46:49] conscious edits, I can tell you that.
[46:50] But I don't know. I can't go into a time
[46:52] machine and show you every time somebody
[46:53] made an edit or made a mistake. What I
[46:56] can tell you is you're absolutely
[46:57] correct that is Alisam, Jesus, he was
[47:00] given inspiration, revelation of the
[47:02] Torah, which means the law, and he knew
[47:04] Jewish law better than anybody. And so
[47:07] he taught that at his time. that is
[47:09] being asserted in it was either 45 or
[47:11] 46. Fine. I grant that. That's
[47:13] fantastic.
[47:14] Now, you made the comment that doesn't
[47:16] have anything to do with today's Bible.
[47:18] I'm sorry. You want to say that no, no,
[47:20] no. Therefore, today's Bible must be
[47:22] 100% authentic because you know that
[47:24] it's impossible that anybody made an
[47:26] editor or something like this. You can
[47:27] make you can make whatever assertions
[47:28] you'd like. I'm simply saying that let's
[47:30] stick to Islamic dilemma is that the
[47:32] Quran you have to find the verse that
[47:35] actually
[47:36] You mean like the 12 verses I already
[47:37] found for you? I'm I'm I'm happy that
[47:39] you feel that way, but uh I'm saying
[47:40] realistically speaking, thus far, in my
[47:42] opinion, the one that you landed on that
[47:44] has the best shot is 543. Can you do me
[47:47] a favor? And 543 still doesn't land
[47:49] because it's a question and not a feel
[47:51] assertion.
[47:52] Can you do me a favor?
[47:52] You I'd love to do you a favor.
[47:54] Well, I want to say it respectfully. No
[47:55] one cares whether you're convinced or
[47:57] not. I'm not doing this for you.
[47:58] I know you're doing it for the audience,
[47:59] right? So, but
[47:59] and they're way they're sitting there
[48:00] like this like, okay,
[48:01] because you have omissions. You know,
[48:03] you know that. Oh, yeah. See, they're
[48:05] not convinced. Keep that rhetoric. Sure.
[48:07] For someone else, politicians who fear
[48:10] God here, I'm going to say fear [snorts]
[48:12] Allahbar.
[48:19] Okay, now come here. I'm glad you just
[48:21] committed.
[48:23] Do you know Do you know what?
[48:25] My Lord Messiah. That's
[48:27] He just committed. No.
[48:30] Okay, now let's go back to you. You
[48:32] want me to give you another word of
[48:33] Jesus? I agree. Jesus.
[48:33] Can I give you another verse?
[48:35] How long we have for this? because I'm I
[48:37] got like I'm going to have a field day.
[48:38] We can keep going.
[48:39] This is fantastic. Okay. So, uh are you
[48:41] going to next verse in one second?
[48:42] Yes.
[48:43] Any Christian that wants to take five uh
[48:45] sorry 545 46 and say, "Look, it says
[48:48] that Jesus had the Torah and that he
[48:50] knew God use it because it pulverizes
[48:53] the objections. Glory to Jesus." All
[48:55] right. Say, "I can appeal to motion
[48:56] two." Can you go to
[48:58] You're going to walk up to a Muslim and
[48:59] say, "This is 100% evidence that today's
[49:02] Bible is authentic." And the Muslim will
[49:05] say, "Actually, it just says that Jesus
[49:07] was given the inspiration to know God's
[49:09] law perfectly at that time."
[49:11] The law that the Jews have, right?
[49:12] The Torah,
[49:14] that they had, right?
[49:15] The Torah. Yes. And he confirmed that,
[49:17] right?
[49:17] That that Jesus was was was uh given
[49:19] that revelation.
[49:20] So that that he was confirming what they
[49:22] had when he went to the Jews. I
[49:23] confirmed the Torah that's between us.
[49:24] Well, actually there's a there's a
[49:25] particular verse that says that he
[49:27] confirmed what they had, but also did uh
[49:29] what's it called?
[49:31] So it's a different verse. Imran.
[49:33] So that means that he did the exact same
[49:35] thing that the Quran does.
[49:36] Yeah. But abregating previous commands
[49:37] doesn't mean it's corrupted. That
[49:39] doesn't make sense. And then you say
[49:40] your Quran is corrupted because the
[49:41] Quran abrogates itself. So we don't want
[49:42] to go there. Let's stay here. Right.
[49:44] Excellent. Well,
[49:46] right. If you're going to say abrogation
[49:47] means corruption, that means your Quran
[49:48] is corrupt because the Quran abrogates
[49:50] itself.
[49:50] No. So So let's not go there.
[49:52] When God says that he does or that he
[49:54] makes permissible,
[49:55] I I can agree with you that there's a
[49:57] range of meaning here. It could be, it
[49:58] could be, it could be that either there
[50:00] was a certain law and now it's being
[50:02] abregated. It could be that they had
[50:03] corruption. That's what it could be that
[50:04] they had corruption.
[50:06] That's not what 350 says. But
[50:07] nonetheless,
[50:08] I'm simply saying there's a range of
[50:09] meaning. So if you want to take both
[50:10] specific, but I don't want to get there.
[50:12] Let's go to surah ay 81. Read for me
[50:17] 381.
[50:18] I'm going to make my case weaker in your
[50:19] sight. So oh man, this is so weak. I'm
[50:20] going to keep you in verses. You're
[50:21] going to keep saying it's weak. Surah
[50:24] 3:81.
[50:26] And recall, oh people, the scripture,
[50:28] when Allah took the covenant of the
[50:29] prophet, saying, "Whatever I have given
[50:31] you of scripture and wisdom, and then
[50:33] there comes to you a messenger
[50:34] confirming what is with you, you must
[50:36] believe in him and support him." You
[50:38] want to keep going? And Allah, Allah
[50:40] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken
[50:41] upon that my commitment?" Let's say,
[50:44] "Yeah, yeah, exactly." Uh, yeah. Yeah.
[50:46] Yeah. What's What's the problem here?
[50:47] Yeah. God is speaking to his prophets.
[50:48] They said, "We have acknowledged it." He
[50:50] said, "Uh, then bear witness and I am
[50:53] with you among the witnesses."
[50:54] this covenant with the prophets. In
[50:56] order to know this messenger is the one
[50:57] Allah sent, he has to confirm what is
[50:59] with them, right?
[51:00] The messengers confirm each other.
[51:02] That's what being said.
[51:03] No, that's I love you. I swear I love
[51:05] you for the sake of Jesus. Okay. But now
[51:07] then don't roast. Just let's talk.
[51:08] I am trying to talk. I'm trying to
[51:10] because you're telling me I'm not doing
[51:11] this and that. So I'm trying to make it
[51:13] clear and Okay.
[51:13] Yeah.
[51:14] Here it says to the prophets.
[51:16] Prophets. Yes.
[51:17] A messenger will come.
[51:18] Yeah.
[51:18] He's going to confirm what is with you.
[51:20] Confirm.
[51:20] Yeah. What is with the prophets? Yeah.
[51:21] Absolutely.
[51:22] I'm going to get there. When was that
[51:24] covenant fulfilled?
[51:25] Oh. Uh, which which of these prophets?
[51:27] When was the covenant?
[51:28] Whichever prophet you like? I
[51:29] messenger. Who's the messenger?
[51:32] I grant you whichever prophet you like
[51:33] that all prophets
[51:34] No, I want to know what you think cuz I
[51:35] don't want my opinion cuz I can go to
[51:36] the taps.
[51:37] I say guys, read this verse and
[51:39] understand that God
[51:40] So, you don't want to answer the
[51:41] question?
[51:41] No, no. I'm I'm I'm I'm being honest
[51:42] with you. I'm reading it as a plain text
[51:44] and I'm simply saying that there was a
[51:46] covenant given to prophets and the
[51:48] covenant is you have to acknowledge all
[51:50] the prophets that this and whatever
[51:52] revelation
[51:52] particular messenger no it's one
[51:54] messenger it's not messengers when the
[51:57] messenger comes who is that
[51:59] uh
[52:00] yeah the prophet Muhammad yeah
[52:02] say it again
[52:02] the prophet Muhammad s I thought you
[52:05] talking about that's why so when it says
[52:07] I'm saying all prophets yeah
[52:08] the criterion I want to repeat it slowly
[52:11] so you don't stamman me Okay, criterion
[52:14] is this is how you know he's that
[52:16] messenger. He's going to confirm what's
[52:18] with you, Jesus.
[52:20] Read it again,
[52:21] brother. What are you saying? [laughter]
[52:22] Just guys, read the text. Just read it.
[52:23] Read it slowly.
[52:24] And recall when Allah took a covenant
[52:26] with the prophets.
[52:27] Yes. To do what?
[52:28] To do what? Whatever I give you of the
[52:30] scriptures. And let me make sure I got
[52:32] this right. Uh, whatever I give, it's
[52:35] plural, so it's not just you. It's
[52:36] whatever I give y'all. Whatever I give
[52:37] all of you prophets, right? Whenever I
[52:39] give you them this scripture,
[52:43] Then comes to you the messenger and
[52:46] you're right referring to the Muhammad
[52:48] that is confirming what was given to
[52:51] those prophets.
[52:52] Exactly. That was what I just said. You
[52:53] go and you laughed at me.
[52:55] Did I not just say that? No. Well, I
[52:57] like the way you laugh. You laugh better
[52:58] than me. But did I not just say that's
[53:00] what it said? And you said no. Read it.
[53:02] And you just read and confirm what I
[53:03] said.
[53:03] Okay. Uh well, I have to go back to clip
[53:06] and see what I thought was odd. But you
[53:08] said something. You made an assertion.
[53:09] Go ahead. But I said the messenger you
[53:11] said is Muhammad.
[53:12] Yeah.
[53:13] If he comes to Jesus, how's Jesus going
[53:15] to know it's him? He's going to confirm
[53:17] what he has, right?
[53:18] If they if the prophet Muhammad wasallam
[53:20] went back in time to the time of Jesus,
[53:21] yes, they would have the revelation this
[53:23] from one source. The revelation that's
[53:24] coming to Jesus is the same revelation
[53:26] coming to Muhammad. Yes.
[53:26] Yeah. Yeah. I know that. But so do you
[53:28] agree though? Just establish the
[53:29] principle because I can't make the point
[53:30] if you're going.
[53:31] Do you establish a princip?
[53:33] No, no, no. You're doing good. I'm just
[53:34] saying you're good. I'm just answering
[53:35] the question.
[53:36] You're doing good. So, you agree that
[53:39] the messenger, if he were to come in the
[53:41] lifetime of any of them, let's say Moses
[53:42] walking around, he shows up, he goes,
[53:44] "I'm that messenger." Well, how do I
[53:46] know that? I confirm what you have. Now,
[53:48] would Moses have corrupt scriptures
[53:50] with Of course not. And with Wait, wait,
[53:51] wait. You said it too fast.
[53:52] Would Moses have corrupt scriptures? Of
[53:53] course not. No.
[53:54] Would Jesus?
[53:55] No. Of course not. No, there must be.
[53:56] Okay. Now, the prophets passed away, but
[53:58] this passage still awaits a fulfillment,
[54:01] right?
[54:02] That Allah is saying that he took a
[54:04] covenant with the prophets. That's true.
[54:06] True. Now, did he come
[54:08] the prophet Muhammad?
[54:09] Yeah. According to the verse. Okay. But
[54:11] what we see, I want you to see where I'm
[54:12] going with this. Go
[54:13] ahead.
[54:13] Because everyone heard you. I want this
[54:14] to be clear.
[54:15] Yes.
[54:17] If he was there with Moses, he would
[54:19] confirm what Moses had. And you said,
[54:20] "Yeah, and Moses would not have had
[54:21] corrupt scriptures. Neither would
[54:23] Jesus." So my question is,
[54:24] yes.
[54:25] Did Allah fulfill that covenant?
[54:27] Did Allah send a messenger Muhammad with
[54:30] true revelation that the prophets took a
[54:32] covenant of? that all of their
[54:35] scriptures agree with the exception of
[54:36] course of Sharia can
[54:38] yeah we can change that was 48 I'm glad
[54:41] I'm glad I'm glad you by the way this is
[54:43] great I appreciate I appreciate that
[54:45] you're fair enough to say like I get
[54:46] your point that yeah Sharia can change
[54:48] but by and large the same of course they
[54:49] have the same message
[54:50] okay now but when he came there were no
[54:52] prophets
[54:53] correct
[54:54] how were the community of the prophets
[54:55] know that he's that messenger
[54:56] they're already passed away
[54:58] that's I understand but this is given
[55:00] not just for the prophets right for
[55:02] their followers so that they'll know
[55:03] This is the messenger that the prophets
[55:05] made a covenant of.
[55:05] Yes. Yes. This is a this is a this is
[55:07] how would they know?
[55:09] Yeah.
[55:09] How would they know that that's the
[55:10] messenger that our prophet said we took
[55:12] a covenant that when he comes we're
[55:14] going to help him. So if he shows up
[55:15] follow him. How would they know that
[55:16] they're followers?
[55:18] Because we believe as mentioned in 7157
[55:20] that the prophet Muhammad wasallam
[55:22] remains in the scriptures that they
[55:24] have.
[55:24] But that doesn't now let me clear. Let
[55:26] me let me make my point. this neither
[55:29] 7157 affirm a 100%
[55:33] okay we'll get there
[55:33] clear uh uh uh uh what's it called um
[55:36] preservation of the Bible till today
[55:39] so you're right you're right that we do
[55:41] assert that within the scriptures
[55:43] certain descriptions of the prophet
[55:44] Muhammad have been maintained
[55:46] can I answer now
[55:47] please thank you thank you for letting
[55:49] you forgot what you said earlier I want
[55:51] to repeat what you said you said that if
[55:53] he comes to the prophets he's going to
[55:55] confirm what they have and I said what
[55:57] did they corrupt scriptures. You
[55:59] said,
[56:00] you know, you changed the meaning and
[56:02] saying, well, now that they're gone,
[56:05] he's going to come to their communities.
[56:07] And yet the criterion was for them to
[56:09] know that this is the messenger. He has
[56:11] to confirm what the prophets had, which
[56:14] you say they didn't have. Let me just
[56:16] pivot between them or their communities.
[56:18] But then how was this fulfilled?
[56:20] Let me explain my argument because maybe
[56:22] it's um
[56:22] just don't pivot. This verse, let's
[56:24] stick to the verse. This isn't talking
[56:25] about their communities. This verse is
[56:26] talking about the prophets.
[56:27] When was it fulfilled?
[56:28] When the prophets agreed and took the
[56:30] covenant with God that they will
[56:31] practice what comes that again.
[56:34] I'm I'm I'm I'm asserting you. I'm
[56:36] asserting what you're saying. When when
[56:37] was this fulfilled? When God took a
[56:39] covenant with his messengers that a
[56:40] fulfilled fulfilled Let me say
[56:42] fulfill what is revealed to you and know
[56:44] what will come in the future of new
[56:46] prophets. None of that is a guarantee.
[56:49] You misread the verse. Do you want to
[56:51] repeat it again? You're the one that
[56:52] insert I just want to make it clear for
[56:53] the audience that you asserted the verse
[56:55] very perfectly when you said that it's
[56:56] the prophets making this uh uh assertion
[56:59] that the prophet will come that the
[57:00] prophet Muhammad will eventually come
[57:02] that was perfect and then he said if he
[57:04] went back in time would they be in
[57:05] agreement 100% but then you said oh and
[57:08] therefore
[57:09] as time went forward then therefore uh
[57:12] every community is going to be able to
[57:14] assert 100% of everything. No, no, we
[57:17] just you jump in too much. I'm going to
[57:19] repeat what you said. I'm going by what
[57:20] you're saying, but I don't know if
[57:21] you're keeping up what you're saying. I
[57:23] said, did the messenger come? You said
[57:26] yes. I go, when the prophets were
[57:28] weren't around,
[57:29] correct?
[57:29] So, let me repeat my question light of
[57:31] that.
[57:32] Since he came
[57:34] to fulfill 381, right? Are we following
[57:37] the argument?
[57:38] No. What you say?
[57:39] Did this messenger ever come?
[57:40] Let me So,
[57:41] or this is superfluous. It didn't It
[57:43] didn't happen. Allah failed to send him.
[57:45] Can I answer?
[57:46] Well, I'm waiting. It's been time.
[57:47] 381.
[57:48] Yes. It was fulfilled when God, as it
[57:51] says, took a covenant from his prophets.
[57:52] That's when it gets fulfilled.
[57:53] Control of my son. I'm listening to me.
[57:55] He thinks I'm not.
[57:56] The fulfillment is when the messenger
[57:58] comes.
[57:59] See, this is why we and he keeps going
[58:00] back to it was fulfilled when he gave
[58:02] the covenant to the prophets. No, the
[58:04] fulfillment is when he comes.
[58:05] It says,
[58:08] what is who is who are they?
[58:10] It is confirming [clears throat] of who
[58:11] is within.
[58:12] Help me Lord. Help me. I know that I
[58:15] prayed for patience and you're testing
[58:16] my patience. Thank you, Lord Jesus.
[58:18] Okay, let's come back.
[58:18] Just read. Just read it. It's
[58:19] I've been reading it. Okay, I'm going to
[58:21] go by what you just said one more time.
[58:24] Okay. He never came in the lifetime of
[58:26] the prophets, right?
[58:28] Uh, no.
[58:28] Okay. But he was still sent as Allah
[58:31] promised, right?
[58:32] Yes, sir.
[58:32] Good. So, we got that part.
[58:34] Yep.
[58:34] How were the people of the prophets to
[58:36] know this is the one that Jesus said, "I
[58:40] took a covenant with my Lord." We're
[58:42] going to go with this Muslim Jesus. I
[58:44] took a covenant with my Lord.
[58:46] I'm waiting for this messenger. Perfect.
[58:47] And when he comes, he's going to confirm
[58:49] what I have.
[58:51] But he didn't come in Jesus lifetime,
[58:52] but he would have told the apostles. Oh,
[58:54] not apostles, their fathers, right?
[58:55] Yes.
[58:55] So, how would they then know that's the
[58:58] one that Jesus told us about? What was
[59:00] the criteria given here? Not 7157, but
[59:02] go to that
[59:03] because because well, you just told me
[59:04] don't go 717.
[59:06] No, because that's going to help my
[59:06] case. I want to make it easier for you
[59:08] to defeat me.
[59:08] I'm helping you that yes, 71. You're
[59:10] saying it's helping your case. Let me
[59:11] help your case then.
[59:12] No, I want you to defeat me.
[59:13] No, no, I want to help your case. Let's
[59:15] go for it. You're I agree with you. 7157
[59:18] says that despite the fact Well, I'm
[59:21] going to put this in brackets. Despite
[59:22] the fact that there have been
[59:23] unfortunate corruptions, 715
[59:25] I didn't even say that, but that's okay.
[59:26] I know I just said in brackets. I'm just
[59:27] I'm trying giving you my perspective
[59:28] because you want my perspective here.
[59:30] So, let's put this in brackets. Despite
[59:31] the fact that corruptions have taken
[59:33] place now 7157 is saying at least they
[59:36] didn't corrupt the fact that the prophet
[59:38] Muhammad wasallam
[59:40] was is still described in your Bible.
[59:43] Yeah, that's not 381. That's why I have
[59:45] to repeat it again.
[59:46] So 381 is specifically saying that this
[59:48] was a covenant taken with prophets and
[59:50] it is confirming what was with them. And
[59:53] what did you say though?
[59:54] That means what did they have?
[59:56] They had scripture. They had revelation
[59:57] from God
[59:58] at at their time. No, of course not.
[59:59] Good. Now let's follow the logic.
[01:00:01] Yes.
[01:00:01] Cuz you went to surah 757. The
[01:00:04] prophecies
[01:00:05] timeline went forward. At least they
[01:00:07] held on to the prediction about the
[01:00:09] prophet. Does that mean everything they
[01:00:10] held on to? No.
[01:00:11] 381.
[01:00:11] That's it. 381 doesn't say confirming
[01:00:14] the predictions that are with you.
[01:00:16] No, it's it's No, it says confirming
[01:00:18] what is with you and what they have you
[01:00:21] prophets. And I don't know if I'm making
[01:00:22] it clear. Maybe it's I'm just stupid.
[01:00:24] I'm slow. I can't make my point because
[01:00:25] I don't think you're getting it. Yeah,
[01:00:26] cuz you're making my case, but you're
[01:00:27] not getting it. But it's okay. I'm going
[01:00:28] to go slow cuz I know I'm stupid. So,
[01:00:30] I'll go a little slower.
[01:00:32] What did they have with them? You said
[01:00:33] uncorrupt scriptures, right?
[01:00:35] You you asked me many times. Yes.
[01:00:36] But we're we're you're not following the
[01:00:38] logic or I'm too slow in communicating
[01:00:40] again. So, I'm going to ask you again in
[01:00:42] light of that statement. When Jesus says
[01:00:46] to his community, look, I made a
[01:00:48] covenant with my Lord, a messenger is
[01:00:50] going to come.
[01:00:51] Yes.
[01:00:51] He's going to confirm what's with me.
[01:00:53] Now, what was with Jesus? Corrupt or
[01:00:54] uncorrupt scriptures.
[01:00:55] You speak of when Jesus at his time was
[01:00:56] definitely uh authentic. Perfect.
[01:00:58] When he comes and says, I confirm what
[01:01:00] you have. I'm confirming your scriptures
[01:01:02] on corrupt. I have to follow him. But he
[01:01:06] didn't come in his lifetime. Yeah. So
[01:01:08] now if I have that understanding, this
[01:01:10] is what I'm going to assume. All right.
[01:01:12] For that messenger to be the one that
[01:01:14] Jesus told me about, he's going to
[01:01:16] confirm was given Jesus. What was given
[01:01:18] to Jesus is uncorrupt scriptures. And we
[01:01:20] claim those are the scriptures. But if
[01:01:22] he says it's corrupt, that means he's a
[01:01:24] false messenger because that's not what
[01:01:26] he's going to say according to what
[01:01:27] Allah said. He can't say my scriptures
[01:01:29] are corrupt if he's that messenger. Do
[01:01:31] you get the argument now?
[01:01:33] Yes. I guess.
[01:01:34] So how can they be corrupted? Because
[01:01:36] that will be an argument against
[01:01:37] Muhammad. Wait, wait. They're corrupted.
[01:01:38] You're not the one. Bye.
[01:01:40] Right.
[01:01:40] Now you get the argument.
[01:01:42] Uh yeah, I think so.
[01:01:42] Okay. Now refute it.
[01:01:43] Okay. Good stuff. So there's nothing
[01:01:46] wrong with making conscious just the
[01:01:48] same way Jesus made corrections to the
[01:01:50] Benny is while still confirming them and
[01:01:53] saying listen you have made mistakes. So
[01:01:56] he's confirming them while
[01:01:57] simultaneously correcting them. That
[01:01:59] correcting what?
[01:02:01] Correcting their beliefs and their ideas
[01:02:02] and
[01:02:03] that's not the scriptures man. See you
[01:02:04] attack. We know traditions can be
[01:02:06] corrupt. Do you understand the argument?
[01:02:08] Because if Muhammad comes to the Jews
[01:02:09] and Christians and say your scriptures
[01:02:11] are corrupt, saying then you're a false
[01:02:13] messenger because the messenger that
[01:02:14] we're told was to come will confirm the
[01:02:17] scriptures of the prophets and we are
[01:02:19] the inheritors. So if you say it's
[01:02:21] corrupt, you're a fake messenger out of
[01:02:23] here.
[01:02:24] Good.
[01:02:24] So now
[01:02:30] etc. What must you confirm that you have
[01:02:32] to believe in him? that you have to aid
[01:02:34] him. That this is what's being
[01:02:35] confirmed.
[01:02:36] I'm not talking about them. He has to
[01:02:37] confirm what's with them.
[01:02:38] Yes.
[01:02:39] You just said what was with them is
[01:02:40] uncrup scriptures. Why are you changing
[01:02:41] it?
[01:02:41] Okay. I I I I I'm at this point I'm not
[01:02:44] sure if you're following or not getting
[01:02:46] the
[01:02:46] I'm kind of stupid. So help me because
[01:02:48] you know
[01:02:48] I think you're very very intelligent,
[01:02:49] but I just think that it's pretty
[01:02:50] obvious what I'm saying, but I'll make
[01:02:51] it clear.
[01:02:52] Hold on. You did say their scriptures is
[01:02:55] uncorrupt and he's going to confirm
[01:02:56] they're uncorrupt, right? You said that
[01:02:57] several times. It's recorded.
[01:02:58] Let me let me say it. Let me let me let
[01:03:00] me say exactly what I'm trying to say so
[01:03:01] you don't put words in my mouth. Okay.
[01:03:02] What I'm simply saying is that this
[01:03:04] verse 381 is saying that prophets in the
[01:03:08] past, right? What did they do? They
[01:03:10] confirmed that there will be a prophet
[01:03:11] Muhammad. Okay, good. They had correct
[01:03:14] beliefs that are in conformity with the
[01:03:16] prophet Muhammad throughout time. Even
[01:03:19] if corruptions did take place, thank
[01:03:22] God. Thank God the description of the
[01:03:24] prophet Muhammad sallallam is still
[01:03:26] preserved and therefore
[01:03:29] the Christians and Jews can look at
[01:03:31] their book and say, "Oh my goodness,
[01:03:33] he is described in here."
[01:03:34] Which books?
[01:03:35] They can look in their scriptures. I'm
[01:03:37] speaking generally here.
[01:03:38] Which ones?
[01:03:38] You want me to list everything?
[01:03:39] No, I don't. So, so what I'm saying is
[01:03:41] they can look into their scriptures and
[01:03:43] when they find that the prophet Muhammad
[01:03:44] has been predicted and that he is going
[01:03:46] to do what
[01:03:48] you're aware of this. He is going to
[01:03:50] You [clears throat] don't want to go to
[01:03:50] Muhammad, do you?
[01:03:51] Uh, we can if you want to. It's fine. I
[01:03:53] don't think you want to. We can I want
[01:03:54] to be merciful to you, but I don't want
[01:03:55] you to go to
[01:03:57] uh you're I love I love the confidence.
[01:03:58] But that being said, just the same way.
[01:04:00] So Allah is affirming
[01:04:02] that this is and it is confirming
[01:04:06] partially and is also being the
[01:04:08] notice he had the word partially, right?
[01:04:09] I want you to see adds to the Quran.
[01:04:11] Oh my goodness.
[01:04:12] No, no, I just want people know because
[01:04:13] the Quran I'm just trying to let me make
[01:04:15] I'm letting you make your point. I'm
[01:04:16] saying
[01:04:16] dual function.
[01:04:17] You're doing dual function. you you're
[01:04:18] doing what 378 accused the Jews and
[01:04:20] Christians changing the text by your
[01:04:24] tongue. You kept adding to the Quran and
[01:04:28] this is a sin against your God according
[01:04:30] to chapter 378. But that's okay if you
[01:04:32] want to add sin upon sin and face your
[01:04:34] Lord in judgment. That's between you and
[01:04:35] him.
[01:04:35] Is this preaching or not?
[01:04:36] No. Well, I'm going to preach like
[01:04:38] preaching. Now come back to the issue.
[01:04:40] You don't let me talk. You're you didn't
[01:04:41] let me get through the through the good.
[01:04:43] I'll give you another 20 minutes. Go
[01:04:44] ahead.
[01:04:44] Thank you so much. I appreciate the 20
[01:04:45] minutes. And is a dual function that the
[01:04:48] Quran has. In this verse 381, God is
[01:04:51] saying, "Look, all of you messengers
[01:04:53] have taken a covenant to fulfill what is
[01:04:55] given to you and to affirm what is in
[01:04:56] the future." That was at their time.
[01:04:59] Okay,
[01:04:59] great. As time went forward,
[01:05:01] unfortunately, corruptions took place as
[01:05:02] God affirms in the Quran by talking
[01:05:04] about. We haven't got to those ay yet,
[01:05:06] but we can go to Wait, please. You said
[01:05:08] 20 minutes. It hasn't been one. Hasn't
[01:05:09] been one.
[01:05:10] I love you, my brother. Humanity finish.
[01:05:11] I'm listening. I can talk for and
[01:05:13] listening. Yeah.
[01:05:14] is proving corruption and conscious
[01:05:16] edits is proving corruption. But does
[01:05:18] that mean that they cannot find the
[01:05:20] prophet Muhammad? Yes, they can. And
[01:05:22] that is proven in this verse and it is
[01:05:24] proven in 7157 that those descriptions
[01:05:27] of the prophet Muhammad are present. So
[01:05:31] we have no problem with this.
[01:05:32] Okay. So now can I address you because
[01:05:33] you repeat the same point several times
[01:05:35] and I'm letting you talk because I know
[01:05:36] what your point is.
[01:05:37] In 381 you said I want everyone to hear
[01:05:40] it.
[01:05:40] Especially I want them hear it. Yes. You
[01:05:42] said that what he's going to confirm is
[01:05:44] what they have and what they have is
[01:05:45] uncorrupt scriptures. We established
[01:05:47] that
[01:05:47] at the time. Yes.
[01:05:47] Yes. Good. Fine.
[01:05:49] But he never came in their lifetime.
[01:05:51] Correct. So if I'm a Christian, so I
[01:05:53] want to make my point again.
[01:05:54] If you assume that there's never been a
[01:05:55] chance that anybody could corrupt
[01:05:56] anything despite the fact that you guys
[01:05:57] have multiple versions of the Bible
[01:05:58] today,
[01:05:59] just like you have multiple. Yes. We'll
[01:06:01] have a find with the and the Let's not
[01:06:03] change the top.
[01:06:03] Sure. So we we know that there's textual
[01:06:05] variance. This is very wellnown. So you
[01:06:07] can't pretend that this is like, wait a
[01:06:09] second, how is it possible? Look man, we
[01:06:10] know
[01:06:11] if radian variant readings means the
[01:06:13] book is corrupt. Retire your Quran
[01:06:15] because you have different Arabic
[01:06:17] versions of the manic text. I don't want
[01:06:19] to change the topic.
[01:06:20] You just did because you understand
[01:06:21] because you brought up textual variance.
[01:06:22] Yeah. Because
[01:06:23] theible we're talking about the Bible
[01:06:24] and whether it was you're you're
[01:06:27] pretending that it cannot be conceivable
[01:06:29] that there are scrial that Hold on.
[01:06:30] You're pretending it's inconceivable
[01:06:32] that there were scribal errors. It's
[01:06:33] conceivable that they could have
[01:06:34] corrupted their text.
[01:06:34] Well, there are scribal errors in the
[01:06:36] manuscripts of the Quran.
[01:06:37] Allahbar. I'm glad. So there you go.
[01:06:39] No, don't change the subject. Just yes
[01:06:40] or no.
[01:06:40] Aneic dilemma is about a
[01:06:42] No. No.
[01:06:42] Exactly.
[01:06:43] The Islamic dilemma. This this is this
[01:06:45] is a dodge
[01:06:46] my friend.
[01:06:46] Good stuff.
[01:06:47] What is a dodge is when you say dilemma.
[01:06:49] Just remember now remember audience how
[01:06:52] he's now dodgeball. Okay. Let's come
[01:06:54] back here.
[01:06:55] If textual variants mean the Bible's
[01:06:57] corrupt textual variant of the Quran,
[01:06:58] that means again you're only bearing the
[01:07:00] Quran because at the time of Jesus, let
[01:07:03] me make my point.
[01:07:04] There were variant readings of the Old
[01:07:06] Testament and he still confirmed the Old
[01:07:09] Testament great
[01:07:10] as being the words of God irrespective
[01:07:12] of variant readings. So the analogy I'm
[01:07:14] giving you just like you as a Muslim
[01:07:16] that's a beautiful conception.
[01:07:17] Okay, but let me finish.
[01:07:18] Thank you. Just thank you.
[01:07:19] Just like you Muslims don't say the
[01:07:21] Quran is corrupt because there are
[01:07:22] different that are not identical.
[01:07:24] Interesting.
[01:07:24] So variations doesn't mean that the
[01:07:27] words that God inspired are lost.
[01:07:28] They're preserved. Great.
[01:07:29] That's why I don't want to go into
[01:07:30] variance. Great.
[01:07:31] Now you didn't let me make my point. Let
[01:07:33] me come to my point. I'll let you talk.
[01:07:34] Okay, let's go to 381. So then I can go
[01:07:36] to 7157. It's not going to help you.
[01:07:38] And then fly 40. I want to follow your
[01:07:40] track. See, I'm trying to lose weight,
[01:07:41] so I'm jumping with you.
[01:07:42] Let's jump together.
[01:07:43] Okay, now let's go to 3 381.
[01:07:45] If you jump too high, we're going to
[01:07:45] fall in love. This is dangerous.
[01:07:47] [laughter]
[01:07:48] We know singing is haram, but I want to
[01:07:50] sing. I'm all out of Okay, let's come
[01:07:51] back here.
[01:07:52] I don't know what you're [laughter]
[01:07:52] saying, but that's okay.
[01:07:53] I said singing is haram, but anyway,
[01:07:55] coming back here.
[01:07:55] Music is haram.
[01:07:57] My singing is haram. [laughter]
[01:07:59] Can I May I This is nice, isn't it? This
[01:08:02] is nice. There we go. There we go. I
[01:08:02] told you. I swear I'm not trying to I
[01:08:04] wasn't trying to play games with you. I
[01:08:05] was never trying. And I'm not I'm not
[01:08:06] trying to play games with you.
[01:08:07] No, I know that, buddy. Believe me, I
[01:08:08] have love for you. And I mean, I'm not
[01:08:09] just saying it to say love. This is I
[01:08:12] don't want to not like you. I mean, let
[01:08:13] me put it that way. You have my point. I
[01:08:15] I want us to be fine. And I And even
[01:08:17] more important than just me and you, I
[01:08:19] want us to show people that we can be
[01:08:21] fine.
[01:08:21] I Let him ask me that question. I'll
[01:08:23] answer it here. I do see sometimes that
[01:08:24] you use derogatory language and uh
[01:08:28] you've used it towards me and and I'm
[01:08:30] not
[01:08:31] trying to make a some sort of twisted
[01:08:34] sort of ugly thing about it. I actually
[01:08:35] would like us to be on good terms and I
[01:08:38] would like for Brian to to create a
[01:08:40] platform where dialogues are very
[01:08:42] healthy and I really would love for you
[01:08:43] to address it so we could like hug it
[01:08:45] out to be perfectly honest. So go ahead.
[01:08:47] Yes. Tell them what you heard me say so
[01:08:49] I can really say it.
[01:08:50] Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I want you because
[01:08:52] Yeah. are we working on coming?
[01:08:53] Uh so unfortunately uh again not just to
[01:08:56] me but there u there has been an
[01:08:58] incident where he talks about being a
[01:09:00] son of a and uses a derogatory term
[01:09:02] basically meaning prostitute and so I
[01:09:04] addressed that online it's got lots and
[01:09:05] lots of views people uh saw that and um
[01:09:09] uh I I thought you should I mean you're
[01:09:12] you're a Christian you're a man of God
[01:09:13] you're you're a man of God and I just
[01:09:14] think you a lot of people look up to you
[01:09:16] want to set a good example
[01:09:17] and my I I don't know if you watch you
[01:09:19] didn't watch my video but I explained
[01:09:20] that I my mother's actually an extremely
[01:09:22] practicing Christian. Her being her
[01:09:23] being a Muslim shouldn't make that
[01:09:25] better. Like it's okay to insult her,
[01:09:26] but like it's even weirder when
[01:09:28] Christians are cheerleading a Christian
[01:09:30] woman being assault that way. So go
[01:09:32] ahead.
[01:09:32] I want to [clears throat] apologize.
[01:09:33] Please forgive me. I do. I know
[01:09:36] sometimes I get heated. But one thing
[01:09:38] is,
[01:09:39] and that's not justification,
[01:09:40] okay?
[01:09:40] I'm trying to I'm going to say try not
[01:09:42] to say it anymore because this one's
[01:09:43] understood.
[01:09:45] Forgive me. And I want I'm not saying to
[01:09:47] put on a show. It's because after
[01:09:48] talking with him, I have a lot of love
[01:09:50] for you,
[01:09:51] brother.
[01:09:51] Can I give him a hug?
[01:09:52] Yeah, I mean I thought maybe
[01:09:54] let's uh let's hide my love handles.
[01:09:57] [laughter]
[01:09:57] I do. I have a lot of love for you.
[01:09:59] Thank you. That's very That's very
[01:10:00] beautiful. I think we we live at a time
[01:10:02] that has a lot of unnecessary tension
[01:10:03] [clears throat] and we can we can stuff,
[01:10:05] you know.
[01:10:06] And so no excuse when I call someone a
[01:10:10] son of a I'm not referring to
[01:10:11] their mother. [laughter]
[01:10:13] I know. No, no. Honestly, Revelation 17,
[01:10:15] and I'm not going to justify it. Forgive
[01:10:17] me. I won't talk about it anymore. I
[01:10:19] won't use it because Revelation 17 says,
[01:10:20] "If you don't belong to Christ,
[01:10:22] you belong to Satan and you belong to
[01:10:24] the Babylonian system." So there it says
[01:10:26] Babylon, the great the mother of
[01:10:29] Forgive me.
[01:10:30] Thank you.
[01:10:31] I won't even call a Muslim mother a
[01:10:33] And I'm not just saying in front of you
[01:10:34] guys. I don't do that. In fact, I've
[01:10:37] been taking a lot of punches because of
[01:10:39] my stance against Israel and also
[01:10:41] speaking out for the innocent
[01:10:43] Palestinians who are being killed. God
[01:10:44] bless.
[01:10:44] I'm known for that. And I'm not saying
[01:10:46] it to try to get you to like me. You
[01:10:48] hate me. I'm a kafir. May God have mercy
[01:10:50] on me. I don't go to hell. But you
[01:10:51] understand. So forgive me.
[01:10:52] Thank you. Thank you. That's the
[01:10:53] context.
[01:10:54] And and let me say I'll say something
[01:10:55] hopefully that you might appreciate as
[01:10:57] well that um one thing that I like to
[01:10:59] talk to when I meet do interfaith
[01:11:00] dialogues and I meet with the pastors
[01:11:01] and so forth. I always say don't forget
[01:11:03] blessed be the peacemaker. Yes sir. And
[01:11:05] the term maker is not peaceer. Yeah.
[01:11:07] Right. So it's not you just hope for it.
[01:11:09] No, peacemaker means that the the
[01:11:10] Christian the real Christian those that
[01:11:12] I really see as like trying their best
[01:11:14] to, you know, actually be real
[01:11:15] Christians,
[01:11:16] they don't like to see exactly what you
[01:11:18] just said. So, thank God that there are
[01:11:20] good people represent. I'm I actually
[01:11:21] really appreciate this dialogue.
[01:11:22] Good brother.
[01:11:23] No, no, really. I actually appreciate
[01:11:24] this dialogue. I feel like the the the
[01:11:25] tension even if it gets up and down, I
[01:11:27] feel like this is much healthier. Yes.
[01:11:29] Uh and I I appreciate your generosity in
[01:11:31] in many different areas instead of
[01:11:33] trying to do sort of somewhat cheap
[01:11:35] gotcha tricks, you're actually trying to
[01:11:36] understand more contextually. So, thank
[01:11:38] you very much. But what I want to get
[01:11:40] you to follow your own line. I'm
[01:11:42] following you. 381 Muhammad is going to
[01:11:45] confirm what Jesus has and what he has
[01:11:48] is uncorrupt. Scripture, not corrupt.
[01:11:49] That's
[01:11:50] since he's not there when Muhammad
[01:11:53] comes. If I'm a Christian and then Jesus
[01:11:56] says to me, look, the messenger didn't
[01:11:58] come in my lifetime. Here's how you're
[01:12:01] going to know him and pass it on. He's
[01:12:03] going to confirm my scriptures which are
[01:12:05] entrusted to you.
[01:12:06] Can I Can I please can I please go
[01:12:08] ahead? Yeah.
[01:12:08] So what was is going to happen is that
[01:12:11] they will look into their scripture.
[01:12:13] They will find a confirmation of a
[01:12:14] prophet to come [laughter]
[01:12:15] and then that prophet will confirm so
[01:12:18] much of what
[01:12:19] so much of it.
[01:12:20] No, I'm I'm trying to repeat this. Make
[01:12:22] sure I'm getting you.
[01:12:22] We're going to keep it. We're going to
[01:12:23] No, I'm just trying to get you so much.
[01:12:25] Okay.
[01:12:26] Okay. Are you if you want percentages,
[01:12:27] I'm sorry. I'm not going to give
[01:12:27] percentages. But when you go through
[01:12:29] these texts of the Jews and Christians,
[01:12:31] yes, so much of it is in line. However,
[01:12:34] then there will be verses where the
[01:12:36] Quran is clarifying that look, you guys
[01:12:37] haven't kept this 100% since the time of
[01:12:39] Jesus. I'm sorry. There has been and
[01:12:42] there are in the Quran conscious edits
[01:12:44] to clarify and that's why the Quran is
[01:12:47] and it has a dual function of confirming
[01:12:49] what is still correct that you guys have
[01:12:51] and cor and and what's it called? Yeah.
[01:12:52] Being in authority and correcting what
[01:12:54] you guys have wrong. So there that's not
[01:12:56] a big deal what you're you're I know
[01:12:58] you're making a big deal of this, but I
[01:12:59] want to make it clear that
[01:13:00] foundationally they will be able to
[01:13:02] recognize the prophet Muhammad and then
[01:13:04] there will be certain things that will
[01:13:05] be clarified. Now wait a second. Are you
[01:13:06] saying that? Oh, you know what? I won't
[01:13:08] even let's just go. I don't want to
[01:13:09] interrupt.
[01:13:09] Let me go with I'm going to use your
[01:13:11] that would actually be all the more
[01:13:12] reason for Christians say you're an
[01:13:14] antichrist because you didn't get my No,
[01:13:15] I'm just telling you just like you call
[01:13:17] Paul an antichrist. Come on. We you
[01:13:19] think Paul corrupt. Well, you know, I
[01:13:20] don't get upset. That's your religious
[01:13:21] beliefs. You're okay. So because you're
[01:13:24] saying Allah when you say that about
[01:13:25] Paul we say but anyway coming back to
[01:13:28] the issue let's keep it here
[01:13:31] if a prophet comes and says to me yeah
[01:13:34] that part is true that part is corrupt
[01:13:35] I'll say all the more reason you're a
[01:13:37] fake prophet
[01:13:38] that's not helping your case because
[01:13:40] this is supposed to be an argument to
[01:13:42] convince the Jews and Christians
[01:13:43] so the argument I'm establishing if
[01:13:46] Jesus says to me
[01:13:47] so I'm going to make it then we're going
[01:13:49] to go to 548 because I know you want to
[01:13:50] go get there we're gonna have fun with
[01:13:51] that one mohe Wait a minute. Al,
[01:13:52] I'm already having fun.
[01:13:53] Okay, I know I'm having fun, but I'm
[01:13:55] having more fun. Okay, if Jesus says to
[01:13:57] him, look, God took a covenant with me.
[01:14:02] A messenger is going to come. He's going
[01:14:03] to confirm what I have. So then I say,
[01:14:05] Jesus, you mean he's going to do
[01:14:07] conscious edits to your scripture? No,
[01:14:09] no, no. He's going to confirm what I
[01:14:11] have. Oh, you mean he's going to say
[01:14:13] it's
[01:14:13] what I have?
[01:14:14] Okay. Well, I'm going to get there.
[01:14:15] What I have? Yeah, but if he doesn't
[01:14:18] come but he comes in your lifetime, you
[01:14:22] have to follow him. But Jesus told me
[01:14:24] the way I'm going to know that messenger
[01:14:25] is he's going to confirm the scripture
[01:14:28] of Jesus that are uncorrupt. And since
[01:14:30] now it's entrusted to his community, if
[01:14:32] he now comes and says corrupt, you're
[01:14:34] not the one that Jesus told us about
[01:14:36] because the messenger that was to come
[01:14:38] is to confirm what we have, not do
[01:14:40] conscious edits. You're not him by
[01:14:44] is the verb is the verb you're looking
[01:14:45] for. They were entrusted with their
[01:14:46] scripture.
[01:14:47] That's I'm not even talking about that.
[01:14:48] I'm talking
[01:14:48] I'm just I want to make clear I want to
[01:14:50] make clear for the audience that that
[01:14:51] you you are correct. They were entrusted
[01:14:53] with their scripture. Unfortunately,
[01:14:56] corruptions have taken place. I do
[01:14:58] believe that one second. One second. I
[01:15:00] do I do believe that uh Bible scholars
[01:15:02] will very comfortably go. Please man,
[01:15:05] you just keep on taking
[01:15:06] Am I saying something?
[01:15:08] I love you, man. Don't appeal to motion,
[01:15:10] man.
[01:15:10] Just just I'm done. I'm done.
[01:15:11] Okay. Go ahead. Thank you. What's your
[01:15:13] point? So
[01:15:14] yeah,
[01:15:14] biblical scholars will very comfortably
[01:15:16] let us know that yes, there's variance
[01:15:18] and there's difference of opinion and
[01:15:19] the canonization has a very sketchy
[01:15:21] history etc etc. But the good thing is
[01:15:23] that when it comes to the vast majority
[01:15:25] of what is still preserved, we can look
[01:15:28] at it and we can specifically find the
[01:15:30] prophet Muhammad
[01:15:31] in the Bible. So therefore, even if some
[01:15:36] corruption took place,
[01:15:37] that's okay because when Allah says,
[01:15:39] "Yes, some did take place."
[01:15:42] But the broad message, and by the way, I
[01:15:44] I know I don't want to go on this
[01:15:45] tangent, but I I also want to make it
[01:15:46] clear that it's going to clarify things
[01:15:48] so that the things that people are
[01:15:50] having trouble with, like for example,
[01:15:52] there are certain mysteries you find in
[01:15:54] the Bible that people don't can make
[01:15:55] sense of. And so they're like, "We want
[01:15:57] to hold on to the scripture, but is it
[01:15:59] corrupted? Is it the case that we can't
[01:16:00] make sense of this? How does this make
[01:16:02] sense? And so thank God that I'm going
[01:16:04] to confirm that the prophet Muhammad
[01:16:05] wasallam is authentic that you'll be
[01:16:07] able to find him in your scripture and
[01:16:09] to those issues that seem contradictory
[01:16:10] in the Bible to those issues that seem
[01:16:12] illogical in the Bible you will be able
[01:16:14] to make sense of it. This is a gift that
[01:16:16] Allah has given to humanity that the
[01:16:18] prophet will make those clarifications.
[01:16:20] Notice I didn't cut him off but he
[01:16:21] repeats the same point like five six
[01:16:23] times. So if I cut him because I got his
[01:16:25] point the first two times.
[01:16:25] If you want to circle we'll circle. No,
[01:16:26] no, I'm just saying.
[01:16:27] But you I just want you to see. I want
[01:16:29] everyone to see. I don't cut him off.
[01:16:30] But he repeats the same point six, seven
[01:16:32] times. I got it the first two times.
[01:16:34] We're wasting time. So, let's come back
[01:16:35] here.
[01:16:36] You said Bible scholars, my friend. If
[01:16:38] the Bible scholars are right, the Quran
[01:16:40] is a lie. That's the Let me explain to
[01:16:42] you why.
[01:16:42] Please show me the verse
[01:16:43] and then let's go. No, no, it's not a
[01:16:45] verse.
[01:16:45] Exactly. It's not a verse, is it?
[01:16:47] [laughter]
[01:16:47] That's the point. Islamic.
[01:16:48] You guys saw he's cutting me off, right?
[01:16:49] You're right. You're right. Go ahead.
[01:16:51] I'm not upset. I don't mind you cutting
[01:16:52] me, but you're the one who's whining,
[01:16:53] complaining about it. Okay, let's come
[01:16:55] back here. If we establish, which we
[01:16:59] are, the Quran says the scriptures have
[01:17:01] been preserved. Nothing is lost. Bible
[01:17:04] scholars say it is, that means the Quran
[01:17:05] is a lie. Muhammad would didn't know
[01:17:07] what he's talking about. So, you don't
[01:17:08] want to appeal to Bible scholars. That's
[01:17:10] why I didn't appeal to Bible scholars. I
[01:17:11] appeal to your prophet. Now, let's take
[01:17:13] your example of surah 7157. You kept
[01:17:16] saying, "Yeah, because there are
[01:17:17] prophecies there."
[01:17:19] Can you name one of those prophecies in
[01:17:20] the Gospel of John?
[01:17:22] Do you want to go to 7157 or not? That's
[01:17:24] the one that says that the Torah and
[01:17:25] because that's what you kept appealing
[01:17:26] to that they'll find the umi the
[01:17:29] unlettered prophet written in the torn
[01:17:32] gospel with them. Where do you find a
[01:17:34] prophecy of Muhammad in the gospel? What
[01:17:36] gospel?
[01:17:37] Perfect.
[01:17:37] Yeah. Just give it to me.
[01:17:38] So I'm glad you even worded the way you
[01:17:40] worded it. It said in the gospel they
[01:17:41] have with them. Yeah.
[01:17:42] That's a very important wording. I just
[01:17:44] want for the sake of the audience. I
[01:17:45] want them to understand
[01:17:46] that if for example
[01:17:48] I say to you the book of Mcabes, right,
[01:17:50] is in the Bible. I can stop right there.
[01:17:53] But if I say the book of Mcabes is in
[01:17:55] the Bible you have with you then that
[01:17:58] extra word could be suggesting that oh
[01:18:01] because he's Catholic he has that extra
[01:18:03] book whereas others don't. So it's his
[01:18:05] version. So even the wording itself I'm
[01:18:07] very glad you brought that up and you
[01:18:09] translate the way you translate it in
[01:18:10] your own wording which is excellent.
[01:18:11] It's not just the Torah and the gospel.
[01:18:13] It's the Torah and the Gospel that they
[01:18:14] have with them.
[01:18:15] Why would that why would that extra word
[01:18:17] be there? So I think you kind of hinted
[01:18:18] at it. I hope it's clear from that
[01:18:20] perspective. Good. Now the question is
[01:18:23] Allah is making a prediction and saying
[01:18:26] that even though this is the version
[01:18:28] that they have with them, you can still
[01:18:30] find the prophet Muhammad in
[01:18:31] Yeah. Would you want to answer the
[01:18:32] question though because you didn't
[01:18:33] answer where?
[01:18:34] All over
[01:18:34] because I want you to hear what you said
[01:18:36] earlier. I want everyone to hear it. You
[01:18:37] appealed to 7157 to say the way 381 is
[01:18:40] fulfilled.
[01:18:41] There is still a prophecy and there's
[01:18:43] scriptures. Muhammad, that's how you
[01:18:45] interpret 3181 by going to 7157.
[01:18:48] So I jumped with you.
[01:18:49] Thank you. Can you now show me what
[01:18:52] gospel contains a prophecy of Muhammad?
[01:18:54] Excellent. Please give me one.
[01:18:55] I 100% will not. What? Why not? Because
[01:18:59] we're talking about the Islamic dilemma.
[01:19:01] That is part of
[01:19:01] No, no, hold on. Hold on. I'm just I'm
[01:19:03] going to explain myself.
[01:19:04] So, there are two topics at hand here,
[01:19:06] right? One is let's have a debate. Is
[01:19:08] the prophet Muhammad sallallam in the
[01:19:10] Bible? That's a whole debate and it's a
[01:19:11] great topic and there's a bunch of them
[01:19:13] that we can talk about. There's the
[01:19:14] concept of and I I you know what? I'm
[01:19:16] very tempted to mention all the
[01:19:17] different verses, but then we're going
[01:19:18] to go down a whole debate.
[01:19:20] I won't I just want my point is please
[01:19:23] just let me finish my point.
[01:19:24] Yeah, go ahead.
[01:19:25] You're totally right that this is making
[01:19:26] a claim that the prophet Muhammad
[01:19:28] wasallam is in the Bible and you have
[01:19:30] the right
[01:19:30] in what?
[01:19:31] In in the scriptures that they had with
[01:19:32] you said Bible, right?
[01:19:33] Well, it says, excuse me. So, let let me
[01:19:36] let me let me be more accurate so I
[01:19:37] don't mess around.
[01:19:39] It's in the Torah and the Injil that is
[01:19:40] what that is with them.
[01:19:42] Okay. So, now that we're on the same
[01:19:43] page here,
[01:19:44] okay, so right now prophecy.
[01:19:46] Exactly. That is a great question and
[01:19:49] that is a great debate topic.
[01:19:51] We're trying to establish
[01:19:52] dodgeball. [laughter]
[01:19:54] Dodgeball.
[01:19:55] You're you're absolutely right. I am Let
[01:19:57] me explain to you why. Because today
[01:19:59] we're talking we're waiting for the
[01:20:01] unequivocal verse that demonstrates that
[01:20:03] today's Bible is corrupt. This verse
[01:20:05] doesn't help you.
[01:20:05] Besides the 20 verses I gave you,
[01:20:07] friend. You understand why I went to
[01:20:08] 7157?
[01:20:09] So So let I just want make to make sure
[01:20:11] the the the um the audience understands
[01:20:13] what I'm doing right now. I am fully
[01:20:16] avoiding going down the rabbit hole of
[01:20:18] saying let me show you this verse and
[01:20:20] this verse and this verse that is still
[01:20:21] preserved that is still original that
[01:20:24] does talk about the prophet Muhammad
[01:20:26] sallallam in the Bible you're right I am
[01:20:27] dodging that because we're going to go
[01:20:29] down a huge rabbit hole but I what I do
[01:20:31] want to confirm
[01:20:32] is that thus far you haven't given us
[01:20:34] you can keep preaching me to the office
[01:20:36] that confirms that today's Bible
[01:20:39] is authentic and therefore the Islamic
[01:20:41] dilemma which is on the table has not
[01:20:43] been established Keep on doing meat to
[01:20:45] your crowd over here. Okay. Now, let's
[01:20:46] come back here.
[01:20:47] Sure.
[01:20:48] Do you know I went to 757?
[01:20:50] Yeah. Yeah. Following your rabbit trail.
[01:20:53] Yes. Yes.
[01:20:53] Why is it when you bring a verse and I
[01:20:55] try to use it to nail you with it, you
[01:20:56] then run from it?
[01:20:57] No, no, no. Let me explain what I'm
[01:20:59] doing. I did go into the Arabic to
[01:21:01] demonstrate that based on the Arabic
[01:21:03] language and based on the conscious
[01:21:05] edits and based on so therefore
[01:21:07] contextually and specifically, this is
[01:21:09] not affirming the entirety of the Bible.
[01:21:11] It's affirming what? that the prophet
[01:21:12] Muhammad wasallam is in your book. Now
[01:21:14] you're like, "Good. Let's change a topic
[01:21:15] to the prophet Muhammad." No, that's not
[01:21:17] it. I'm not interested in that. Now, you
[01:21:18] notice I let him repeat the same point
[01:21:20] eight times and we go nowhere because he
[01:21:22] doesn't even know what I'm trying to
[01:21:23] establish.
[01:21:24] You keep making claims. You have failed
[01:21:26] to establish any of your claims. The
[01:21:27] only reason I went to 7157.
[01:21:29] Yep.
[01:21:30] Is because I want to know and I'm not
[01:21:32] going into Muhammad in the Bible. I'm
[01:21:34] going to keep it with Islamic dilemma,
[01:21:36] but you're too afraid to even give me
[01:21:37] one example.
[01:21:38] Terrified.
[01:21:39] Exactly. So, can you give me one?
[01:21:42] Yes.
[01:21:42] What is it? Just one. And I'm not even
[01:21:44] going to go into M in the Bible.
[01:21:45] Okay. Can we stick to the Islamic
[01:21:46] dilemma?
[01:21:47] Can you give me one example so I can
[01:21:48] make my case for the Islamic dilemma?
[01:21:51] [sighs]
[01:21:51] You don't want to do it?
[01:21:52] No. The Islamic dilemma is not is not
[01:21:54] proving that it's actually true.
[01:21:56] You're talking to the old G. Don't tell
[01:21:58] the old G how to establish the Islamic
[01:22:00] dilemma. Right. I'm going by your words.
[01:22:02] I know how to establish the Islamic
[01:22:03] dilemma.
[01:22:04] Can you just give me one prophecy?
[01:22:06] Okay, let me explain. I'll explain it to
[01:22:07] you.
[01:22:07] Watch. time.
[01:22:08] The sentence the sentence would have
[01:22:10] been perfectly good by saying
[01:22:13] you could have said it that way. The one
[01:22:15] who you find in the Torah and in the
[01:22:16] gospel. But Allah says
[01:22:20] this is contrasting what is
[01:22:24] this is conting
[01:22:26] this is contrasting what is
[01:22:29] when you make this it's actually in the
[01:22:32] Bible guys like I'm now I'm this is my
[01:22:34] own sort of I'm not right. Notice he
[01:22:38] said it's the Bible. Good.
[01:22:38] Let me let me let me please finish
[01:22:41] that when this is saying that you can
[01:22:44] actually find it in their scripture
[01:22:45] today. When you say the words you can
[01:22:47] actually find it, what does that imply?
[01:22:48] That unfortunately other things are
[01:22:50] missing, but you can still find them.
[01:22:52] This verse does not prove the Islamic
[01:22:53] dilemma. It does not say the Bible.
[01:22:55] Please stop repeating that mantra
[01:22:56] authentic.
[01:22:57] Okay,
[01:22:57] I need to I I want to make sure
[01:22:58] I know you're trying to convince them
[01:22:59] because you're scared they're losing
[01:23:01] faith. May Jesus save them and bring
[01:23:02] them to the truth. But let's come back
[01:23:03] to you. Listen to me.
[01:23:06] I'm still waiting for an example to make
[01:23:09] my Islamic dilemma from the verse you
[01:23:10] ran to. Yeah, you ran to it. I didn't
[01:23:13] run to it.
[01:23:13] Right. The Islamic the Islamic dilemma
[01:23:15] has to prove this claim to the
[01:23:17] Can you stop telling me how to Can you
[01:23:19] give me a verse? Just say
[01:23:20] just so because it because we're going
[01:23:22] in a circle.
[01:23:23] Yeah.
[01:23:24] Can you give one verse or No.
[01:23:26] Yeah. Yeah. We can talk about Daniel 7
[01:23:28] talks about in detail about
[01:23:29] I said gospel. You want to go to Daniel
[01:23:31] 7? That's fine.
[01:23:32] Yeah. Daniel 7.
[01:23:33] Daniel 7.
[01:23:33] So, okay. Fine. If you want to go down
[01:23:35] this road guys, uh so uh Luke 9:26 talks
[01:23:38] about the son of man that is different
[01:23:39] and distinct from let me please finish
[01:23:41] distinct from Jesus and therefore he
[01:23:43] will come in the doxa the glory of the
[01:23:46] father. So obviously if it's the glory
[01:23:48] hold on the glory of a person hold on if
[01:23:50] it's the glory of a single person
[01:23:53] uh uh then that would be very little.
[01:23:55] But if it's the glory of the father then
[01:23:56] it's going to be the most amount of dxa.
[01:23:57] The word doxa is related to the word and
[01:23:59] if it's the most of it that means it's
[01:24:01] ahmed the most praiseworthy person. This
[01:24:04] is all explained.
[01:24:04] This is not really a title.
[01:24:06] Hold on. This is all explained very
[01:24:07] beautifully in Dean responds. Upcoming
[01:24:10] book. Dean, you wanted a plug. I got you
[01:24:12] your plug, homie. So, Dean responds.
[01:24:14] He's going to explain all this in
[01:24:15] detail.
[01:24:15] Oh, right there, Dean. And I destroyed
[01:24:17] your argument on my YouTube channel.
[01:24:19] [laughter] I buried your book, homie. By
[01:24:21] the grace of Jesus Christ.
[01:24:22] So, yes, I'm sure you you said you
[01:24:24] wanted to sing, right? You want to sing?
[01:24:26] You know the song? Many people are too
[01:24:27] young to remember this song, but you're
[01:24:28] old enough to remember. It's Istanbul
[01:24:31] Constantinople. It's Istanbul not
[01:24:33] Constantinople. You know that song
[01:24:34] music.
[01:24:35] Do you remember that song? Istanbul.
[01:24:36] Istanbul not Constantinople.
[01:24:38] You remember that song?
[01:24:39] Well, I know I don't. But it's okay. I
[01:24:40] believe you. So, okay. So, what
[01:24:41] happened? What happened to
[01:24:43] Constantinople? It's now Istanbul.
[01:24:45] Okay. Is that
[01:24:45] I didn't tell you to go on a tangent.
[01:24:47] Just stick with Luke.
[01:24:48] Daniel 7, four different empires. Which
[01:24:50] one destroyed the final beast? And which
[01:24:52] one established montheism all over the
[01:24:54] world?
[01:24:54] To the gospel of the God
[01:24:59] the same Luke. So that's that's that's
[01:25:02] guys now watch. He went to Luke right
[01:25:03] now the the janaza for his argument.
[01:25:05] [laughter] You mean the same Luke that
[01:25:07] says that Jesus died on the cross and
[01:25:10] that repentance and forgiveness of sins
[01:25:12] will be preached in his name to all
[01:25:13] nations. The same Luke that said that
[01:25:15] Jesus rose from the dead. When you
[01:25:17] appeal to Luke, you destroyed Islam. You
[01:25:19] proved to me Muhammad is an antichrist.
[01:25:22] Louder.
[01:25:23] That's the Islamic dilemma. [laughter]
[01:25:25] Did you say Islamic? Oh no, no, no. Let
[01:25:27] me make my point. Why don't you preach?
[01:25:28] Go for it. Go for it. That's what I was
[01:25:29] waiting for you to do to go to my gospel
[01:25:31] because I'm going to say, "Wait, wait,
[01:25:32] wait." So that verse you're saying is
[01:25:35] Muhammad. But the entire gospel that
[01:25:37] says the Quran is a lie because it says
[01:25:40] Jesus was killed,
[01:25:42] was buried, was raising risen on the
[01:25:44] third day. And that Jesus says
[01:25:47] repentance and forgiveness will be
[01:25:48] proclaimed in my name, his name to all
[01:25:50] the nations, which contradicts the
[01:25:52] Quran. Oh no, it's corrupt. And you're
[01:25:55] going to convince us that mom is a
[01:25:57] prophet. Way to go.
[01:25:59] Thank you.
[01:25:59] Okay, good.
[01:26:00] Now, you want to go to Surah Maida for I
[01:26:02] want to I want to respond.
[01:26:03] Okay, but we're not doing Muhammad,
[01:26:04] right?
[01:26:04] See how patient I was. I didn't even I
[01:26:06] didn't I try not to even
[01:26:07] You notice I let him speak six minutes.
[01:26:08] I only get like 20 30 seconds, right?
[01:26:10] And I'm not complaining. Sorry.
[01:26:11] [laughter]
[01:26:12] Now, I'm not going to Muhammad in the
[01:26:14] Bible.
[01:26:15] No, no,
[01:26:16] Be fair. [clears throat] Be fair,
[01:26:17] buddy. I didn't go in the Do you
[01:26:18] understand my anger man?
[01:26:20] No, no, wait. No, no, no, no. Don't run
[01:26:21] because you're going to preach for 20
[01:26:22] minutes.
[01:26:23] Did you understand why I wanted you to
[01:26:25] mention the Gospel of Luke?
[01:26:27] Hey friend. Yeah,
[01:26:28] I don't know what this means.
[01:26:29] I'm letting you I'm literally not
[01:26:30] talking.
[01:26:31] Okay. Can you repeat why I went to Luke?
[01:26:33] I mean, why I use Luke? What was the
[01:26:35] point? Not Muhammad in the Bible. What
[01:26:36] was the point of me using Luke? I want
[01:26:38] to see if you got the argument.
[01:26:39] Uh, you just made a whole point. I'm
[01:26:40] going to respond to it. I'm not going to
[01:26:41] run down a rabbit hole. I'm going to
[01:26:42] respond.
[01:26:42] Okay. So, just issue. Don't go on a
[01:26:44] tangent. Daniel 7 because that's going
[01:26:46] to bury your religion. Daniel 7. But
[01:26:48] let's focus why I went to Luke to make a
[01:26:50] part of the Islamic. I want to see if
[01:26:51] you understood the argument. Go ahead.
[01:26:53] We're doing great. As long as we can
[01:26:55] take our time, we're doing good. Good
[01:26:56] stuff. No pressure.
[01:26:57] Good. Good.
[01:26:58] Fantastic. Um, now we are just
[01:27:01] officially we're changing the subject.
[01:27:03] Just just to be clear. Just to be clear.
[01:27:04] Now he wants to know. Now he wants to
[01:27:06] know. Please, let's get away from the
[01:27:08] Islamic dilemma and stop trying to
[01:27:10] confirm. Instead, what I want to do is I
[01:27:12] want to describe
[01:27:13] do do the gospels describe Jesus as
[01:27:15] being uh uh killed on the cross, which
[01:27:18] yes, you're right. They do. They also
[01:27:19] describe him praying to be saved and
[01:27:21] they also affirm that uh his name is Asa
[01:27:24] that means uh or Yeshua which means God
[01:27:26] saves and also when he talked to the
[01:27:28] devil and uh the devil said just go
[01:27:30] ahead. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on.
[01:27:32] Joadhead, jump off the uh the the the
[01:27:34] edge here and fall. He said, because you
[01:27:36] are Psalms 91, you are guaranteed to be
[01:27:40] protected. Jesus affirmed it, right? And
[01:27:43] it says what? That they won't be able to
[01:27:44] harm you. That they will thousands will
[01:27:46] fall to your right side. They won't be
[01:27:47] able to touch you. So now you have a
[01:27:49] huge contradiction. How is it that the
[01:27:51] Messiah they won't be able to touch him?
[01:27:52] They won't he will be saved. That that's
[01:27:54] actually the last word. It's actually
[01:27:56] related to yin
[01:27:58] or Yeshua. Basically, Yeshua in Hebrew,
[01:28:00] not in Arabic.
[01:28:01] That's the last word. And it says in the
[01:28:03] second last verse, that's verse 16. If
[01:28:04] you look at verse 15, what does it talk
[01:28:06] about? It talks about him being honored,
[01:28:08] not turned into a curse. Honored. So,
[01:28:10] now you have this huge contradiction.
[01:28:11] How is it that he's praying to be saved?
[01:28:13] He says in John that my prayers are
[01:28:14] always heard, that he's that he's
[01:28:16] called. So, you get my point. So, now
[01:28:18] he's right. He's right. He's I'm I'm
[01:28:20] going to I'm going to concede his point.
[01:28:21] I'm going to concede his point that you
[01:28:23] do have this huge contradiction, a bunch
[01:28:25] of verses saying that he was killed and
[01:28:26] died for the sins and so on and so
[01:28:27] forth. But then you also have all these
[01:28:28] predictions that he will not be harmed,
[01:28:31] not be touched, prayed to be saved, was
[01:28:33] saved, right? And that he will be even
[01:28:35] this Psalms 91 says he will be raised
[01:28:37] up. What do the Muslims believe? That he
[01:28:39] was saved by being taken up. So subhan
[01:28:41] Allah, you have this contradiction. How
[01:28:43] beautiful. Alhamdulillah that the Quran
[01:28:44] comes,
[01:28:45] you finish preaching so I can destroy
[01:28:46] your distortion 91. So, so the Quran now
[01:28:50] is clarifying their distortions,
[01:28:52] affirming what he wanted affirmation of
[01:28:55] the Ahmed coming. I gave it to him
[01:28:57] linguistically. I talked about how his
[01:28:59] empire will take over the the the fourth
[01:29:01] beast, the final beast, right? And
[01:29:03] destroy the Roman Empire and establish
[01:29:04] Islam everywhere. I gave him all that.
[01:29:06] But you're right. He's going to point to
[01:29:07] contradictions of that. That's the
[01:29:08] point. The Bible has a bunch of
[01:29:09] contra so I can now destroy your every
[01:29:12] And now he wanted he begged and I I
[01:29:14] tried to resist. I tried to resist
[01:29:16] talking about the prophetam in the
[01:29:17] Bible. He kept insisting. So he gave his
[01:29:20] point. I gave my point. Now you're going
[01:29:21] to give response. And now we've changed
[01:29:22] the subject. Go ahead.
[01:29:23] No, no, no. We're not going to change
[01:29:24] because I know you want me to run from
[01:29:25] Islam because it's you're burying you.
[01:29:27] I want to run from you. I'm saying give
[01:29:28] me the verse. This one doesn't help.
[01:29:29] Can you like control yourself with God
[01:29:31] logic? Control yourself, dude. You're a
[01:29:33] grown man.
[01:29:35] Please cuz I want to do shish kebab on
[01:29:37] your arguments.
[01:29:37] You quote Psalm 91 11-12. What's the
[01:29:39] verse after that?
[01:29:40] Psalms 91 11.
[01:29:42] What's the verse after that?
[01:29:43] 11 to 12 is after that's 13. What's does
[01:29:45] it say?
[01:29:47] Are you asking me about verse 13?
[01:29:48] Because you went to Psalm 91 with Jesus
[01:29:50] and saying because you don't know the
[01:29:51] Quran, let alone the Bible.
[01:29:53] What does it say? Psalm 91 112.
[01:29:56] You don't know.
[01:29:56] I know that all of 16 all of from 1 to
[01:29:59] 16 describes how he will not be touched.
[01:30:01] He will not be harmed. You won't be able
[01:30:02] to get to him. Anyway, which is the
[01:30:04] opposite of being
[01:30:07] stop [clears throat] preaching.
[01:30:07] Which is the opposite of the worst
[01:30:09] punishment anybody has ever gotten.
[01:30:10] What does 13 say?
[01:30:12] Tell me.
[01:30:13] Tell me. You have have you read it?
[01:30:14] Yeah.
[01:30:15] Okay. What does it say?
[01:30:16] I haven't memorized it.
[01:30:17] You don't know the context,
[01:30:18] my friend.
[01:30:19] Now, I'm not going to let you run to
[01:30:21] crucifixion. All I was establishing,
[01:30:24] which you then went into a 20-minute
[01:30:25] rant,
[01:30:26] if you want, set it up. Does the gospels
[01:30:28] contradict crucifixion? And does the
[01:30:30] Quran deny the crucifixion? Because I'll
[01:30:32] do a worshish kebab.
[01:30:34] Set it up. I'm telling you, let's make
[01:30:35] me hungry.
[01:30:36] Okay, but let's come back to the point.
[01:30:38] The fact that you admitted,
[01:30:40] it's all I wanted to do. It's not to
[01:30:42] convince the Muslim
[01:30:45] that [clears throat] the Quran
[01:30:48] established Islamic dilemma. What I was
[01:30:50] establishing is if you're going to do to
[01:30:52] the Christian, I'm going to remind you
[01:30:53] of your argument and say Muhammad is in
[01:30:56] your Bible.
[01:30:58] Okay, let me show you. Okay.
[01:30:59] Okay. And say which Bible? Gospel Luke.
[01:31:02] Oh, wow. The gospel that says Jesus was
[01:31:05] killed and raised and ascended and sits
[01:31:06] at the right hand of God. Does Muhammad
[01:31:08] believe that? No. Then he's an
[01:31:10] antichrist. That's all I was
[01:31:11] establishing. YOU WENT ON A 15S 91. I've
[01:31:15] addressed all of these, my friend.
[01:31:16] Beautiful.
[01:31:17] Okay. So, let's stick with the Islamic
[01:31:19] dilemma. If I follow your advice, Daniel
[01:31:22] 7 buries the Quran.
[01:31:24] That's not Islamic dilemma now.
[01:31:26] Okay. It is because
[01:31:26] the Islamic dilemma is the Quran affirms
[01:31:28] the Bible. You're talking about You're
[01:31:29] talking about Daniel.
[01:31:30] I told you I didn't want to go on this
[01:31:31] tangent.
[01:31:32] Okay. Now, I finish the point.
[01:31:33] You for me to I I'm such a nice guy.
[01:31:35] Can you Let me finish the point. Can you
[01:31:37] control yourself? I'm going to go
[01:31:38] preacher mode again as you call it.
[01:31:40] Christians are waiting for the Quranic
[01:31:42] verse that affirms the Bible. They don't
[01:31:43] want to know about Daniel, right? Okay.
[01:31:45] They don't want to go.
[01:31:46] Can you control yourself? Daniel 7 will
[01:31:49] bury the theology of Islam. But I'm not
[01:31:50] going to let you run. We can set it up
[01:31:52] and I'll take Dean's response book and I
[01:31:54] can use it for decoration. I'll bury it
[01:31:57] because it's beautiful.
[01:31:57] Okay. Yes. Now, you also lied about the
[01:32:00] word Hammed and Das because you depend
[01:32:02] on his argument.
[01:32:04] What's the Arabic word for glory? What
[01:32:06] is the Arabic word for glory? Maybe is
[01:32:09] one of them.
[01:32:09] Say it again.
[01:32:10] Perhaps.
[01:32:10] And what does it come from? What root?
[01:32:12] Sabah.
[01:32:13] So doas or doxa corresponds to not ahmed
[01:32:18] praiseworthy. So that's the first
[01:32:20] mistake because you blindly follow
[01:32:22] another guy.
[01:32:23] I'm
[01:32:24] not I'm not saying that.
[01:32:25] I don't want to change I don't want to
[01:32:26] change.
[01:32:26] Arabic is a very rich language. I want
[01:32:27] Islamic dilemma.
[01:32:28] Arabic is a very rich language. You
[01:32:29] can't just limit it to one. But go
[01:32:30] ahead.
[01:32:30] No, that's all right. I don't want to go
[01:32:32] off tangents. I'm the one keeping on
[01:32:34] Islamic DMA. You ran and you're saying
[01:32:35] I'm changing. No, I was trying to
[01:32:36] establish a point.
[01:32:37] You begged me. You begged me to change
[01:32:39] subjects. Go ahead.
[01:32:40] Go ahead. Go ahead.
[01:32:40] Okay. Now, I'm going to I'm going to
[01:32:41] prove you don't get the argument. Repeat
[01:32:43] what my argument was.
[01:32:44] That you're right and I'm wrong. Can we
[01:32:46] go on to the to the Islamic dilemma now?
[01:32:49] My we deal with we dealt with 7157.
[01:32:51] Yeah. I want Let me repeat what the
[01:32:52] point was. The moment you tell a
[01:32:54] Christian or Jew,
[01:32:56] Muhammad is in your Bible, it's the end
[01:32:58] of Islam. Oh, you mean my Bible that
[01:32:59] says he's an antichrist? Good.
[01:33:01] That's it. You can say that part is
[01:33:03] corrupt. Oh, thank you for further
[01:33:05] confirming Muhammad is exposed as a
[01:33:08] fraud because you have to say my Bible's
[01:33:09] corrupt to salvage his reputation. That
[01:33:12] was it.
[01:33:12] I made my point there. So, I don't I
[01:33:13] don't Now, let's go to surah al 548. The
[01:33:16] shish kebab.
[01:33:17] The shish kebab is coming, my friend.
[01:33:20] You guys got it all right.
[01:33:21] 547bar.
[01:33:22] Go ahead.
[01:33:24] 548.
[01:33:26] Which one? Don't you want to start with
[01:33:27] 547 first?
[01:33:28] No, I want to go with you said and I'm
[01:33:30] going with you.
[01:33:32] Yep.
[01:33:32] Okay. Moan,
[01:33:34] try to make your case for me because I
[01:33:35] know what you're going to say.
[01:33:37] Okay, sure. Uh, would you like the def
[01:33:38] the dictionary definition of the word?
[01:33:40] Would you like me to give you the
[01:33:40] commentators, too? Iban Cir and Tabari
[01:33:42] and
[01:33:43] if we want to go down the uh commentator
[01:33:45] dilemma, that would be a lot of fun. Cuz
[01:33:47] like I said, let me let me let me say
[01:33:49] this.
[01:33:49] The commentator dilemma is he brings
[01:33:51] certain comments that have opinions
[01:33:54] about Muaymon and then I bring an
[01:33:55] avalanche of verses that have other
[01:33:58] comments about this word Muay and then
[01:34:00] we go back and forth into this
[01:34:01] commentary dilemma. Tell me what it
[01:34:02] means. But but yeah, if we just go to a
[01:34:04] dictionary, I'm going to take a look at
[01:34:06] I'm going to give you the Islamic
[01:34:07] dictionary, but go ahead.
[01:34:12] He says what that.
[01:34:21] So what does this say? I know you know
[01:34:23] some Arabic, you're pretty good. So it
[01:34:24] says the Muhe gives the sense that the
[01:34:26] Quran is the controller and the
[01:34:27] criterion over what came in previous
[01:34:29] scriptures of reports and laws
[01:34:31] especially where they say it again. Say
[01:34:33] it again.
[01:34:33] Especially Repeat that part slowly.
[01:34:35] Especially where they start.
[01:34:37] Goodness gracious. Four times.
[01:34:38] Especially where they didn't even hear
[01:34:41] me.
[01:34:41] Five times.
[01:34:42] I'll do it six times. Start from the
[01:34:44] beginning.
[01:34:45] How many? Why?
[01:34:45] So because I want to catch you in your
[01:34:47] definition. Read it again. Start at the
[01:34:49] beginning.
[01:34:50] Okay.
[01:34:51] Okay. Start at the beginning. I wanted
[01:34:53] because it actually made my point.
[01:34:54] I just want to finish the quote once. I
[01:34:56] just want I want to finish the quote
[01:34:57] once. He didn't let me finish it once. I
[01:34:59] just want to be clear.
[01:35:00] Go ahead. Go ahead.
[01:35:01] Please just let me read it. Okay.
[01:35:02] Yeah.
[01:35:03] Muay gives the sense that the Quran is
[01:35:05] the controller and criterion over what
[01:35:07] came in the previous scriptures of
[01:35:09] reports and laws, especially where they
[01:35:11] differ from the Quran.
[01:35:13] Thank you.
[01:35:14] Read it one more time.
[01:35:15] Oh god, man. Really?
[01:35:17] Yes. Because you're going to make my
[01:35:18] point. Read it again.
[01:35:20] I I
[01:35:21] read one more time because I'm gonna now
[01:35:22] bring you I'm in such a generous mood.
[01:35:24] Yeah.
[01:35:25] Slowly.
[01:35:25] The word muan gives the sense that the
[01:35:28] Quran is the controller and criterion
[01:35:30] over what came in the previous
[01:35:31] scriptures of reports and laws
[01:35:34] especially where they differ from the
[01:35:35] Quran.
[01:35:36] Exactly.
[01:35:36] Thank you.
[01:35:37] Now I you say thank you but you still
[01:35:39] didn't get how it's going to bury your
[01:35:41] case. Of course. Because what's the
[01:35:42] context of surah 548
[01:35:45] without looking it up? I'm not even
[01:35:46] looking up.
[01:35:46] Just in case.
[01:35:47] No, no, no, no. You're the one who
[01:35:48] memorized the Quran. It's not my book.
[01:35:50] What's Yeah. Yeshua. [laughter]
[01:35:53] Okay. What's the context of 548?
[01:35:55] Just tell me. Just make your case. It's
[01:35:56] okay. It's okay.
[01:35:57] Wait. Wait. You quoted a verse.
[01:35:58] Yeah.
[01:35:59] You don't know what the context is?
[01:36:01] You know the context.
[01:36:02] What are we?
[01:36:03] And by the way, I'm actually trying to
[01:36:04] be quiet. He's he's
[01:36:05] No, I want you to read it.
[01:36:06] I just did.
[01:36:07] Jal, I want you to see this.
[01:36:09] Jalain Porto.
[01:36:11] I'm going to do them better. I'm going
[01:36:12] to give them as Muslim scholars. They're
[01:36:14] the best at lexar. No, because take it
[01:36:17] easy, man. Read 548. Open it up for me.
[01:36:19] 548. Open it. Read it for me. Read it.
[01:36:22] Yeah.
[01:36:30] Okay. Here's even better.
[01:36:33] Actually, you know what? Actually, you
[01:36:34] know what? Let's Let's Because you said
[01:36:35] you want context, right? Read it. Are
[01:36:36] you going to let me talk to you?
[01:36:37] 4348. Don't get animated. Control
[01:36:39] yourself.
[01:36:39] 4348. That's the context.
[01:36:41] If you say I'm waiting.
[01:36:42] Can we read it in English? Cuz
[01:36:44] No, he's trying to impress people. But
[01:36:45] I'm okay. I I want him to because I want
[01:36:47] him to get all because he's got to dole
[01:36:48] out me to his audience because he's not
[01:36:50] doing too good. So, keep going. Read it.
[01:36:52] 43 to 48.
[01:36:53] If you ask someone to give context, you
[01:36:54] do realize it's going to take a minute,
[01:36:56] right?
[01:36:57] Hold on. Did you remember? No, wait. You
[01:36:59] don't want me to talk.
[01:37:00] Okay. This guy's a pillow. It's
[01:37:01] disgusting that he has to act this way,
[01:37:03] but it's okay. I'm going to stick to his
[01:37:04] level.
[01:37:05] Did you notice that when I went to 5 46
[01:37:08] 45 I said the context was 43 and we went
[01:37:11] through it. That was like 20 minutes
[01:37:12] ago.
[01:37:13] We read the context, right? Why is he
[01:37:15] playing these games?
[01:37:16] Because now we're coming to the
[01:37:17] conclusion
[01:37:18] and I'm going to tell him what the
[01:37:19] conclusion is. If he reads it, he's
[01:37:22] going to bury his case. I'm ready for
[01:37:24] these arguments.
[01:37:25] But I still didn't establish Islamic
[01:37:27] dilemma. No, no, no, no.
[01:37:28] Can you read it now for us? 48. Let's
[01:37:30] see what the context says. Read it for
[01:37:31] us.
[01:37:32] So when you say read it, then you say
[01:37:33] the context. I'm going to go to 47.
[01:37:34] You can read 43.
[01:37:36] Good. So this is going to take a second
[01:37:37] because now you want context.
[01:37:38] Take 20 seconds.
[01:37:39] Thank you. Allah says, I'm gonna read in
[01:37:42] English. No problem.
[01:37:42] Okay. Okay. Allah says, "And let the
[01:37:45] people of the gospel judge by what Allah
[01:37:48] has revealed therein. And whoever does
[01:37:51] not judge by what Allah has revealed,
[01:37:52] then it is those who are the defiantly
[01:37:54] disobedient." Let me explain. Thank you
[01:37:57] very much. People of does it say, "Let
[01:37:59] the people of the gospel judge by the
[01:38:02] gospel." It does not say that. It
[01:38:04] specifically says, "Let the people of
[01:38:05] the gospel judge by revelation."
[01:38:09] Specifically, it changes the word. Why
[01:38:11] would it do that? Because we know that
[01:38:13] Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are
[01:38:15] reports, historical reports. Jesus
[01:38:17] wasn't sitting around receiving
[01:38:19] revelation that, oh, this is Mark's
[01:38:22] perspective of what happened today.
[01:38:23] Here's Luke's perspective of what
[01:38:25] happened today. Why would you need
[01:38:27] revelation of your own biography from
[01:38:29] the perspective of four different people
[01:38:31] that you hang around? That's clearly not
[01:38:33] what's happening. It's these are
[01:38:34] historical documents. So God is saying,
[01:38:35] hold on, let me just continue here. So
[01:38:37] God is saying, you are people of the
[01:38:39] gospel, right? Then restrict yourself to
[01:38:42] revelation. This is an impossible
[01:38:44] challenge. The Quran gives lots of
[01:38:46] impossible challenges. The Quran says
[01:38:48] produce a book like it. And then the
[01:38:50] solution is you can't since you cannot
[01:38:52] produce a book like it. Therefore, you
[01:38:53] know it's the Quran. That's one example.
[01:38:55] Here's another example of an impossible
[01:38:56] challenge. Let's go through it.
[01:38:57] You want to go through the verse and
[01:38:58] stop preaching.
[01:38:59] Now I'm going I'm going I'm going
[01:39:00] through that.
[01:39:00] Stop twisting the text with your tongue.
[01:39:02] Beautiful. Thank you. You said you'd
[01:39:03] give me some time
[01:39:03] because I want to Yeah. It's giving the
[01:39:05] impossible challenge of saying rest if
[01:39:08] your people have the gospel restrict
[01:39:09] yourself to revelation and since they
[01:39:11] cannot therefore god says what he says
[01:39:14] we have revealed to you a book in truth
[01:39:17] confirming what preceded since you don't
[01:39:19] have fully everything that's there no
[01:39:20] problem we're going to give you a book
[01:39:21] that has a dual function it confirms
[01:39:23] from the past but it also corrects the
[01:39:25] distortions and then what is the
[01:39:27] conclusion this is a beautiful part that
[01:39:28] Allah after saying this says what
[01:39:32] so therefore judge between them Muhammad
[01:39:34] wasallam using what? The Quran. So this
[01:39:37] very clearly establishing an impossible
[01:39:39] challenge and giving the solution.
[01:39:41] Keeps preaching. No, then I have to cut
[01:39:42] him off. You didn't finish the verse.
[01:39:44] We can keep going if you want. Go ahead.
[01:39:46] Read as much as you want.
[01:39:46] You preached for 10 minutes, brother.
[01:39:48] I'm going to shush kebab. I'm going to
[01:39:49] shish kebab. The argument. Keep talking.
[01:39:51] Read the entire verse and in English
[01:39:54] slow because the context is not going to
[01:39:55] bury your entire case. What you just
[01:39:56] said.
[01:39:57] Yeah. So judge
[01:39:57] everything you said that verse just
[01:39:59] buried.
[01:40:01] Now read the verse. So judge between
[01:40:02] them by what Allah has revealed and do
[01:40:04] not follow their inclinations away from
[01:40:06] what has come to you of the truth. To
[01:40:08] each of you we prescribed A LAW
[01:40:10] EMPHASIZE THAT.
[01:40:11] YES.
[01:40:13] OKAY. [laughter] All right. Emphasize
[01:40:16] that part.
[01:40:17] That Yes. The part
[01:40:18] to each of you what?
[01:40:19] Yes. Exactly what you confirmed earlier.
[01:40:20] No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
[01:40:20] No read. Read. To each of you what?
[01:40:21] Uh uh. What's it called?
[01:40:24] Haj. There you go.
[01:40:25] Okay. Translate.
[01:40:26] Yes. Law and method.
[01:40:28] You just Yep.
[01:40:29] fought against your own god. You just
[01:40:31] said, let me explain. You just said to
[01:40:33] everyone, they can't judge by the
[01:40:35] gospel. It's impossible. Your God said
[01:40:37] you're a liar because we ascribed to
[01:40:39] them their own law and path. How could
[01:40:42] they follow a law that you said is not
[01:40:44] possible? That's why they need the
[01:40:45] Quran. Read that part again. Music to my
[01:40:47] ears.
[01:40:48] I have no idea what just can you look.
[01:40:50] I'm being sincere now. Can you just make
[01:40:51] your point a little
[01:40:52] Tell me that because you went preaching
[01:40:53] for 20 minutes.
[01:40:54] I just want you to make your point a
[01:40:54] little clearer. That's all. Let me let
[01:40:56] me get the verse up for you and then
[01:40:57] we're going to see if the commentators
[01:40:58] the best Lexington agree with him.
[01:41:01] 548
[01:41:02] if you had read in context destroyed
[01:41:05] your case. But you see this why you
[01:41:06] preach into the choir here. And if you
[01:41:08] want to convince people come Muslims,
[01:41:10] you'll be one of the best apologists for
[01:41:11] Christianity. You're going to drive them
[01:41:13] to Christ. I'm just saying. And unto
[01:41:15] thee have we revealed scripture with the
[01:41:17] truth confirming whatever scripture was
[01:41:19] before it. Watch over it. So judge
[01:41:22] between them by that which Allah hath
[01:41:24] revealed and follow not their desires
[01:41:26] away from the truth which hath come unto
[01:41:27] thee. For each we have appointed a
[01:41:29] divine law. For each does that include
[01:41:33] the Christians.
[01:41:34] Uh that uh this means that yes when it
[01:41:36] comes to
[01:41:36] where's their law?
[01:41:37] Can can I can I can I answer you?
[01:41:38] No, you can't preach because I let you
[01:41:39] preach. You got to interact dialogue.
[01:41:41] Where's their law?
[01:41:42] I would like to answer you.
[01:41:43] Go ahead.
[01:41:44] uh maybe 20 to 30 minutes ago you were
[01:41:46] very charitable in saying that I
[01:41:48] understand that there's continuity in
[01:41:50] the belief system and sometimes laws can
[01:41:52] change in in small amounts and I
[01:41:54] appreciated that so much. I said, "Thank
[01:41:56] you for allowing me to explain that
[01:41:58] there's continuity while uh based on
[01:41:59] different time periods and eras, there
[01:42:02] may be differences in the Sharia."
[01:42:03] That's it. That's
[01:42:04] No, that's not what I asked you. So, you
[01:42:05] don't answer questions.
[01:42:06] Oh, come on, man.
[01:42:07] Where is the law that Allah gave to the
[01:42:09] Christians? Because you just said, you
[01:42:12] recorded. Thank God. It's going to be
[01:42:13] unedited.
[01:42:13] It's in the past.
[01:42:14] No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Let me
[01:42:16] make Let me repeat it. You said for the
[01:42:18] people here and the camera
[01:42:21] Allah is asking them to do something
[01:42:22] impossible to show them they need the
[01:42:24] Quran because they don't have the law in
[01:42:25] Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I say I
[01:42:27] hear you.
[01:42:27] No, no, I didn't say that at all.
[01:42:29] Didn't you just say
[01:42:30] No, I said, look, look, look at the
[01:42:31] wording. Just look at the wording. It's
[01:42:32] right there.
[01:42:32] No, no, not here. Earlier when you Yeah.
[01:42:35] Yeah. No, it doesn't say
[01:42:36] Remember you said that, right?
[01:42:37] It doesn't say law.
[01:42:38] It says what?
[01:42:39] What is Oh, come on, man. Give me a
[01:42:42] second because you just you just
[01:42:43] misqued. I'm just going to clarify.
[01:42:47] That's not the part we're 48.
[01:42:48] That's not That's not That's not Sharia.
[01:42:50] That's not Sharia. So you
[01:42:52] 548
[01:42:53] friend, it says Sharia that we gave to
[01:42:56] each one a Sharia. Does that include the
[01:42:58] Christians
[01:42:58] that uh they it's very likely that every
[01:43:01] single prophet he would
[01:43:02] it says here and
[01:43:03] you don't want to hear me.
[01:43:04] No, because you're going on tangents.
[01:43:06] Each we have appointed divine. Who's
[01:43:08] each?
[01:43:09] Each nation each. What? It doesn't say
[01:43:10] the word nation there.
[01:43:11] 548 for each. What's in context?
[01:43:13] He would have made you one nation. Yeah.
[01:43:14] So it's talking about nations. No, no.
[01:43:15] Earlier where it says for each we have
[01:43:17] appointed a law and a
[01:43:18] each of you prescribed a law and a
[01:43:19] method. Yes.
[01:43:20] Who's the each in the context?
[01:43:22] I'm saying based on the very next few
[01:43:24] words.
[01:43:28] It's nations. Nations.
[01:43:29] Which nation in the context?
[01:43:31] Uh talking about Jews, Christians or
[01:43:33] different nations.
[01:43:33] So what is the law given to the
[01:43:35] Christians by your God?
[01:43:36] I would love to go back in time.
[01:43:37] There we go again.
[01:43:38] Let me let me answer. I'm answering you.
[01:43:39] I would love to go back in time to the
[01:43:41] time of the
[01:43:42] time machine next time for a debate.
[01:43:43] Is that what you're going to say? What
[01:43:44] I'm what I'm saying is that um if we
[01:43:47] went back in time to see which technical
[01:43:50] differences like for example I'll give
[01:43:51] an example let me
[01:43:53] you don't need an example just
[01:43:54] I'll make it very clear I'll make it
[01:43:55] very clear I'll make it very clear at
[01:43:57] the beginning of Islam
[01:43:58] when the prophet Muhammad wasallam uh
[01:44:00] was preaching the message alcohol wasn't
[01:44:01] prohibited and then in stages it became
[01:44:03] prohibited
[01:44:04] so there can be an argument made that at
[01:44:06] the time of Jesus it wasn't prohibited
[01:44:08] got it
[01:44:08] so that could be an an element or an
[01:44:10] example of a the sharia or the law of
[01:44:13] god having a
[01:44:14] I'm very glad that you said it very
[01:44:16] clearly and it was very it was very
[01:44:17] generous of him to acknowledge that
[01:44:19] listen even if prophets come in
[01:44:20] succession and they have the same
[01:44:21] overall message that laws might differ
[01:44:24] right in in those details. So, I'm
[01:44:26] simply acknowledging to him that yes, if
[01:44:27] we went back in time, we could see
[01:44:28] exactly the laws of Moses, the laws of
[01:44:31] Abraham, what specific details were
[01:44:33] there. I have no problem acknowledging
[01:44:35] that,
[01:44:36] but now he's saying that no, I need a
[01:44:38] detailed or whatever.
[01:44:40] You hear me say that? I'm glad this is
[01:44:41] recorded.
[01:44:42] I said the the nation of the Jew, this
[01:44:44] is not edited. That's not what I said.
[01:44:45] You asked me which nation. I said
[01:44:47] various nations, including Jews and
[01:44:48] Christians.
[01:44:49] Okay,
[01:44:49] buddy. I don't know. Maybe because I'm
[01:44:51] just stupid. I need to learn how to
[01:44:52] speak better.
[01:44:53] Everything you said had nothing to do
[01:44:55] with my question.
[01:44:56] I unlike you, it's now it's going to go
[01:44:58] unedited, right? Yep.
[01:45:00] Glory to Jesus Christ. Amen.
[01:45:01] Because people are going to hear I heard
[01:45:02] everything he said. He can't address
[01:45:04] anything I said. I went with what you
[01:45:06] said earlier.
[01:45:07] You said 5:47. The wording is clear.
[01:45:09] Judge by what's in it. That means not
[01:45:11] the gospel, but there is some truth in
[01:45:13] it. But you can't then judge by the law
[01:45:15] because Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,
[01:45:16] they're not law. And the Quran is
[01:45:18] telling you, see, that's impossible. You
[01:45:19] need the Quran. Say, I heard you. That's
[01:45:21] what you said. But let me make the
[01:45:23] point.
[01:45:23] Okay. I'm I'm not asserting everything
[01:45:24] you just said right now. That's okay.
[01:45:26] 548 says everything you said is a lie
[01:45:29] because in 48 it says we gave every one
[01:45:32] of them a law to follow that's not the
[01:45:34] same. Then you went on another tangent
[01:45:37] that one Sharia can abregate another.
[01:45:39] That wasn't even my argument. I don't
[01:45:40] even care about that.
[01:45:41] That's the point.
[01:45:42] No, it wasn't the point. Can I tell you
[01:45:43] what the point is,
[01:45:44] please?
[01:45:45] What was the law that Allah gave to
[01:45:48] Christians that they're to judge by?
[01:45:50] What was the law that Allah gave to the
[01:45:52] Jews in the context of 54348? I didn't
[01:45:55] even leave the context in 54348. Sorry,
[01:45:58] what was the context? The Jews, we gave
[01:46:02] them their law. Let them judge by it.
[01:46:04] Christians, we gave them the law. Let
[01:46:05] them you, Muhammad, we gave you a law.
[01:46:09] You are to judge by it. So, I'm going to
[01:46:11] ask you, if I ask you, what is the law
[01:46:13] of Islam? You're going to say Quran and
[01:46:15] Sunnah. What is the law according to
[01:46:18] this verse that was given to the
[01:46:19] Christians at the time of Muhammad that
[01:46:21] they're supposed to follow because it's
[01:46:22] talking about his time, not time
[01:46:24] machine,
[01:46:26] you know, back to the future. What was
[01:46:28] the law they had?
[01:46:28] Okay, I'm going to answer you please.
[01:46:30] Cuz you're misrepresenting something.
[01:46:31] You do realize that the prophet Muhammad
[01:46:32] was sent to all of mankind.
[01:46:35] That includes Christians, right?
[01:46:37] Yeah. Is it? Okay, there you go.
[01:46:39] So, what is the law that was given to
[01:46:40] the Christians?
[01:46:41] Uh, we'd have to go back in time and
[01:46:42] find out exactly what details he was
[01:46:44] given. Even though in 47 it says right
[01:46:45] that's the gospel answer you don't know.
[01:46:47] Okay. Now now in the context the
[01:46:50] definition you gave of Muhamm you made
[01:46:53] my case. Muhamm in the context is saying
[01:46:55] to Muhammad
[01:46:57] your scripture will tell you which parts
[01:47:00] of the previous have been abrogated. You
[01:47:03] don't follow which parts I'm binding.
[01:47:06] That's all that muan means in the
[01:47:08] context. Muhammad means for you who
[01:47:10] believe it, you're going to use the
[01:47:12] Quran to determine whether do I still
[01:47:15] keep Sabbath? No. The Quran tells you
[01:47:17] you're free. Should I get circumcised on
[01:47:20] the 8th day? Well, there's nothing in
[01:47:21] your Quran or in the Sharia that says
[01:47:23] that on 8th day. If you want to go to
[01:47:24] hadith, we're not going to go. But my
[01:47:26] point is that's what it means. Meaning
[01:47:28] you Muslims, you follow the Sharia of
[01:47:30] Muhammad and if his Sharia says you
[01:47:33] don't need to keep Sabbath, you are
[01:47:34] free. But you Jews, that's your Sharia,
[01:47:37] you keep it. That's the context of Muim.
[01:47:39] It didn't say anything you claimed and I
[01:47:41] got your scholars to admit it. So why
[01:47:44] did you twist and add to these words?
[01:47:46] Okay. Who here just added a whole lot of
[01:47:50] words instead of sticking to the words?
[01:47:52] I stuck to the words and I stuck to the
[01:47:53] dictionary definition of these words.
[01:47:55] You brought a whole world of information
[01:47:57] that is not present. So what I'm what
[01:47:59] I'm suggesting to everybody
[01:48:00] is to read these verses yourselves. And
[01:48:04] I don't I I don't want to reiterate
[01:48:06] everything I said. You can just rewatch
[01:48:07] it and understand verse 47 saying that
[01:48:10] look if you're people of the gospel
[01:48:11] stick to revelation only not biographies
[01:48:16] and what's what's beautiful is that
[01:48:17] what does it say that not the
[01:48:19] biographies
[01:48:19] let me let me let me even I'll even
[01:48:20] appeal to your Bible okay so not from my
[01:48:23] perspective but from your perspective
[01:48:24] how nice is it that Jesus says my
[01:48:26] teachings are not my own so he's
[01:48:27] describing that he's receiving some kind
[01:48:29] of revelation
[01:48:30] where did you quote from
[01:48:32] so no I'm just saying where did you get
[01:48:33] that from
[01:48:33] from your texts
[01:48:34] so the gospel of John so you You're not
[01:48:36] letting me finish. No, no, because we're
[01:48:37] not here to preach. Friend, you've been
[01:48:39] preaching. I got
[01:48:40] Can Can I actually finish the point? Can
[01:48:41] I finish the point, please?
[01:48:42] He I've been letting him finish letting
[01:48:44] you talk.
[01:48:45] You just you went on a 20-minute rant
[01:48:48] right now and I just kept on going like
[01:48:49] this.
[01:48:49] You guys been, right?
[01:48:50] So, let me finish.
[01:48:51] You did?
[01:48:51] No, hold on, hold on, wait, wait. Let's
[01:48:52] let him finish his quick. Thank you. I'm
[01:48:54] going to
[01:48:55] point is you're confirming.
[01:48:56] No, I'm not. I just say I will. You know
[01:48:58] how he confirmed it when he goes to my
[01:49:00] gospel of John to show me that the
[01:49:03] teaching that God gave Jesus is there
[01:49:05] for me to follow. He just buried
[01:49:06] desiring but he doesn't listen.
[01:49:08] Can I you I I didn't get to finish it.
[01:49:09] Yeah.
[01:49:10] Obviously we as Muslims believe that
[01:49:12] Jesus received revelation. It just so
[01:49:14] happens that your book which I'm not
[01:49:15] affirming or denying. I'm simply saying
[01:49:17] that in your belief system he also
[01:49:18] received revelation. What he didn't
[01:49:20] receive was his own biography from four
[01:49:22] different perspectives. That's what I'm
[01:49:24] saying. So therefore, when God is
[01:49:26] saying, "No, if you're really people of
[01:49:28] the gospel, if you really care about
[01:49:29] what you know, Jesus taught, etc., then
[01:49:31] you should judge by revelation."
[01:49:33] Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John never
[01:49:34] claim to be revelation. In fact, Luke
[01:49:36] makes it extremely clear by saying, "I'm
[01:49:37] running around trying to find reports in
[01:49:39] Luke 1:es 1-4, he's talking about trying
[01:49:42] to find reports." You don't need to go
[01:49:43] get reports from different people if
[01:49:44] you're receiving revelation. So, nowhere
[01:49:46] does this confirm revelation. So,
[01:49:48] therefore, if you just go from there to
[01:49:50] the next verse, God is saying, "Now that
[01:49:51] you understand the problem, here's the
[01:49:53] solution." The Quran is, as I said, by
[01:49:56] the dictionary definition, a confirming
[01:49:58] what is true,
[01:49:59] confirming what is consistent with the
[01:50:00] past,
[01:50:01] correcting whatever distortions may have
[01:50:03] been there. Read the definition.
[01:50:04] Clarifying. Yeah. Mo, you want to read
[01:50:05] again?
[01:50:05] No, no, read the definition because you
[01:50:07] just added to your own definition of
[01:50:08] that lexicon. Read it again slowly.
[01:50:10] And I'm going to read it slowly. No,
[01:50:12] we're going to do it 10 times because it
[01:50:13] takes 10 times to get point. Read your
[01:50:14] definition again, guys. Listen. I want
[01:50:16] you to see how not only how he butchered
[01:50:18] the Quran
[01:50:19] and butchered the Bible. He's butchering
[01:50:20] the definition. Read it again slowly so
[01:50:22] we can hear. in Arabic or in English?
[01:50:25] No, that that
[01:50:26] the word the word Muhemon gives the
[01:50:28] sense that the Quran is the controller
[01:50:30] and criterion over what came in previous
[01:50:33] scriptures and of reports and laws,
[01:50:37] especially where they differ from the
[01:50:39] Quran.
[01:50:39] Did you see it anywhere it says that it
[01:50:41] shows where it's been corrupted in his
[01:50:43] definition? Did you see that? Did you
[01:50:45] guys hear it? He's not only butchering
[01:50:48] his own Quran and I have to correct him.
[01:50:49] A non-Muslim, he's butchering the Bible,
[01:50:51] I have to correct him. Even the source
[01:50:53] he quotes confirms and he butchers it.
[01:50:56] Show me where it said that it shows
[01:50:58] there's corruption in the text
[01:50:59] because it just says the word meaning
[01:51:02] these reports that have been brought
[01:51:04] down.
[01:51:04] What does it say [clears throat]
[01:51:04] corrupted?
[01:51:06] This what I'm trying to tell you. What
[01:51:07] I'm trying to tell you is when it says
[01:51:09] that these are from the reports of what
[01:51:10] has come that does not mean that they
[01:51:12] are fully authentic. Doesn't mean that
[01:51:14] they're fully corrupted. It's simply
[01:51:15] describing them as let me say
[01:51:17] no I want to repeat come for hundreds of
[01:51:19] years and we know Christian history is
[01:51:21] very clear about lots of people making
[01:51:22] lots of things up about Jesus and the
[01:51:24] church having to figure out what's right
[01:51:26] what's wrong etc right so there's a
[01:51:28] whole canonization process lots of
[01:51:30] textual variance lots of issues and
[01:51:32] thank God we have a prophet to come and
[01:51:34] to confirm what is correct and to filter
[01:51:36] out what is incorrect this is not like
[01:51:39] some crazy this is not some crazy theory
[01:51:42] that requires so much uh you know what's
[01:51:44] it called mental gymnastics. We know
[01:51:45] this.
[01:51:46] You done preaching?
[01:51:46] Okay.
[01:51:47] Because everything you said
[01:51:48] Are you not preaching?
[01:51:49] No, I know. It's okay.
[01:51:50] We're both preaching.
[01:51:51] Yeah, I believe it. But everything you
[01:51:52] said,
[01:51:52] we both from the heart.
[01:51:53] Everything you said
[01:51:55] Yes, sir.
[01:51:56] was not in any of the verses you said.
[01:51:58] No, I'm I'm using the word reports.
[01:52:00] It doesn't matter.
[01:52:02] That's all.
[01:52:03] No. No. Guys, this is unedited.
[01:52:05] If you fear Allah, you're going to see
[01:52:07] he cuts me off and speaks more than And
[01:52:09] I don't mind, but don't whine. Just
[01:52:12] don't don't whine. That's all I'm
[01:52:14] asking. You need all the time to try to
[01:52:17] now salvage the destruction you did
[01:52:20] against your case. Glory to Jesus. I
[01:52:21] pray you get saved before it's too late.
[01:52:23] May the Lord save you. Now, coming back
[01:52:25] to the issue. Coming back to the issue.
[01:52:28] Everything you said,
[01:52:30] you won't find it in any of the verses
[01:52:32] we read. Now, I'm going to read the
[01:52:33] context and I'm not going to add
[01:52:35] commentary. Guys, I want you to hear the
[01:52:36] context of 54348. Okay? They have the
[01:52:39] Torah wherein Allah had delivered
[01:52:41] judgment. Yet even after they turn away,
[01:52:44] such folk are not believers. Lo, we did
[01:52:48] reveal the Torah wherein is guidance and
[01:52:50] light by which the prophets who
[01:52:52] surrendered, judge the Jews and the
[01:52:55] rabbis and the priests, judged by such
[01:52:56] of Allah's scripture, as are bbidden to
[01:52:59] observe, there unto witnesses. So fear
[01:53:02] not mankind, but fear me, and barter not
[01:53:04] my revelations for little gain. Who so
[01:53:07] judgeth not by that which Allah hath
[01:53:09] revealed, such are disbelievers. So it's
[01:53:11] all about char. I'm sorry. Can you tell
[01:53:12] me which ayat?
[01:53:13] Five surah maida 4348. We're reading the
[01:53:16] context. So you read 48.
[01:53:18] You want to go you want you want we we
[01:53:19] we did this earlier.
[01:53:20] No, but it's okay because I want people
[01:53:22] to see how much you added to the text.
[01:53:24] Shouldn't we move on to new
[01:53:25] Can I finish the point though?
[01:53:26] Of course you can.
[01:53:27] Okay.
[01:53:27] So I want you to understand it's about
[01:53:29] Sharia. They have a Sharia. You judge by
[01:53:31] it. The Jews. No, we've already fine
[01:53:32] about because we want to talk about the
[01:53:34] Christians what their Sharia is. We
[01:53:36] prescribe [clears throat] for them
[01:53:37] therein the life for the life, the eye
[01:53:39] for the eye, and the nose for the nose,
[01:53:41] and the ear for the ear, the tooth for
[01:53:43] the tooth, wounds for retaliation. But
[01:53:45] whoever forgoes it, it shall be
[01:53:47] expeation for him. Who so judgeth not by
[01:53:51] that which Allah revealed, such a
[01:53:53] wrongdoers. Now that's you Jews. Don't
[01:53:55] go to Muhammad. You have a Sharia.
[01:53:57] That's the context. I want everyone to
[01:53:58] hear the context.
[01:53:59] Repeat the repeat the verse, please. To
[01:54:00] tell me exactly which Maida 543 to 48.
[01:54:03] And just which which verse is that? We
[01:54:04] read 43 to 45. That was 45.
[01:54:06] That's 45. Thank you very much. So you
[01:54:08] just said that it says that you have to
[01:54:09] judge by what? Which verse?
[01:54:11] Do I need to reread it again? But
[01:54:12] no, no, just you you made this big
[01:54:14] assertion. All it's saying,
[01:54:15] so he cuts me off. You can't control
[01:54:16] them, sir. I didn't finish it.
[01:54:18] Okay.
[01:54:18] How come they come to thee for judgment?
[01:54:21] 43. Why do they come to you for judgment
[01:54:24] when they have the Torah? wherein Allah
[01:54:27] hath delivered judgment. Yet even after
[01:54:29] they did turn away, lo, we did reveal
[01:54:31] the Torah, wherein is guidance and
[01:54:33] light, by which the prophets who
[01:54:35] surrendered, [clears throat] judged the
[01:54:37] Jews, so they judged by that Torah, the
[01:54:39] rabbis, the priests, by such of all the
[01:54:41] scriptures they were bidden to observe,
[01:54:43] there unto were they witnesses. So fear
[01:54:45] not mankind, but fear me. Barter not my
[01:54:48] revelations for little gain. Who so
[01:54:50] judgeth not by that which Allah
[01:54:52] revealed. You know what the context is,
[01:54:53] right? Do I have to show you that at
[01:54:54] least on about the Torah that has
[01:54:56] guidance light judge by that? We
[01:54:57] established that.
[01:54:59] Go on.
[01:54:59] Okay. We prescribe for them therein the
[01:55:02] life for the life, the eye for the eye,
[01:55:04] the nose for the nose, the ear for the
[01:55:06] ear, the tooth for the tooth, wounds
[01:55:08] retaliation. See a judge. But who so
[01:55:11] forgoeth it in the way of charity, it
[01:55:14] shall be expeation for him. Who so
[01:55:16] judgeth not by that which Allah
[01:55:19] revealed, such are wrongdoers. So Jews,
[01:55:21] that's what Allah revealed. Now the
[01:55:23] Christians, this is where I'm trying to
[01:55:24] get at. That's why I say each one has a
[01:55:25] Sharia. And we call Jesus son of Mary to
[01:55:28] follow in their footsteps,
[01:55:30] confirming that which was revealed
[01:55:32] before him in the Torah. We bestowed on
[01:55:34] him the gospel wherein is guidance
[01:55:36] light, confirming that which is before
[01:55:37] it in the Torah, a guidance admonition
[01:55:39] unto those who ward off evil. Now 47,
[01:55:43] let the people of the gospel judge by
[01:55:45] that which Allah hath revealed therein.
[01:55:48] Who so judgeth not by that which Allah
[01:55:50] hath revealed such are evil believers.
[01:55:52] Now we come to 48. The context I'm
[01:55:54] giving you context. I didn't add. Yeah.
[01:55:56] Keep you looking at me. Watch here. 20
[01:55:59] minutes, 10 minutes. Okay. And unto thee
[01:56:01] we have revealed the scripture with
[01:56:03] truth, confirming whatever scripture
[01:56:05] before it. Watch over it. So judge
[01:56:08] between them by that which all revealed.
[01:56:11] Follow not their desires away from the
[01:56:13] truth which hath come unto thee. For
[01:56:15] each, the context tells you who the each
[01:56:18] are. You Muslims, you Christians, you
[01:56:20] Jews, each one of you, we've appointed a
[01:56:22] law, a traced out way. Had Allah willed,
[01:56:26] he could have made you one community.
[01:56:28] But that he may try you by that which he
[01:56:30] hath given you. So by one other good
[01:56:33] good works, unto Allah you will return,
[01:56:35] and he will then inform you of that
[01:56:37] wherein ye differ. Do we understand the
[01:56:38] context now?
[01:56:40] Uh
[01:56:40] I didn't add anything. Do you understand
[01:56:41] the context?
[01:56:42] Let him finish and then I can talk.
[01:56:44] Okay. Because I want you to know if the
[01:56:45] context right. What's the context?
[01:56:47] Finish.
[01:56:48] All right.
[01:56:48] He's asking you a question. You got to
[01:56:49] answer. Yeah. What's the context?
[01:56:52] Can I talk without being interrupted?
[01:56:53] Oh, I don't know if you're going to go
[01:56:54] on tangents.
[01:56:54] No, I'm going to go into context. Verse
[01:56:57] 41 is even earlier than you start at 43.
[01:56:59] What does it say?
[01:57:02] That they distort their text. You want
[01:57:04] to go into context? You start at 43.
[01:57:06] Just just two verses earlier. Says they
[01:57:08] distort their text.
[01:57:10] But alhamdulillah, even a broken clock
[01:57:12] is right twice a day. And when it came
[01:57:14] to this particular verse in chapter or
[01:57:17] chapter 5 verse 43, even though God just
[01:57:20] said in verse 41 that their scriptures
[01:57:23] are not authentic, God is saying that in
[01:57:26] their book they did get the right
[01:57:27] ruling. They were supposed to do what?
[01:57:29] They were supposed to execute that man
[01:57:30] for his crime. But since they're so
[01:57:32] insincere, they tried to dodge it by
[01:57:34] going to the prophet. And so that means
[01:57:36] even when they had the correct ruling,
[01:57:38] despite they have the unfortunately a
[01:57:40] book that doesn't have everything
[01:57:41] correct, but thank God they had the
[01:57:42] right ruling this time, they still tried
[01:57:43] to dodge it. And so they go to the
[01:57:45] prophet Muhammad and they and now God is
[01:57:47] pointing out their incredible hypocrisy.
[01:57:49] And that's why when you quote chapter uh
[01:57:52] 5:44, if we're going to keep going in
[01:57:54] the context, when you say, "And whoever
[01:57:55] does not judge by what Allah has
[01:57:56] revealed, then is those who are the
[01:57:57] disbelievers," it is saying what that
[01:58:00] this is how insincere you people are.
[01:58:02] Whether it be rejecting the prophetam or
[01:58:04] whether it be that you come across a
[01:58:06] correct ruling here in your book, you
[01:58:09] still try to dodge. You have no interest
[01:58:11] in the truth whatsoever.
[01:58:13] Good.
[01:58:14] By the way, you again butchered 541.
[01:58:17] Show me where it says they changed the
[01:58:19] scripture.
[01:58:19] What does the word What does the word
[01:58:21] moder mean?
[01:58:22] No one ask you. You said scripture,
[01:58:23] right?
[01:58:23] I'll do what he did. You don't know.
[01:58:25] You don't know. No. [clears throat] I'm
[01:58:27] going to I'm going to be I'm going to be
[01:58:28] more show where it says they change.
[01:58:30] You're older than me, so I'll be more
[01:58:31] respectful. But show me where it says
[01:58:32] they change the scripture. Did you guys
[01:58:33] hear it? He said 541 says they changed
[01:58:35] the scripture. Read it. Show me where it
[01:58:37] says scripture.
[01:58:37] Do you know what the word mo there
[01:58:38] means?
[01:58:38] Open up 54.
[01:58:39] Mo there is the word there. And there it
[01:58:42] means placements.
[01:58:43] When I speak, let me tell you when I
[01:58:46] when I one second when I speak words,
[01:58:48] they go in every direction and they
[01:58:50] don't land anywhere. Right? But written
[01:58:51] words have placements.
[01:58:53] Okay? So just read the text itself.
[01:58:56] And it's saying that they mess and they
[01:58:57] do and they distort the placement of
[01:58:59] their of their words.
[01:59:01] So this is very heard that right but he
[01:59:02] said scripture earlier
[01:59:03] now
[01:59:04] burial number one he said scripture
[01:59:05] right
[01:59:06] okay so my point is that it is
[01:59:08] confirming this now I am fully agreeing
[01:59:10] with you if you want to go to the uh
[01:59:11] commentary dilemma you can say no forget
[01:59:13] the commentary just one second you can
[01:59:15] say that the commentary some of them say
[01:59:17] that this is twisting the meanings and
[01:59:19] others will say hold on and others will
[01:59:21] say it's twisting their actual
[01:59:24] scriptures in terms of written and
[01:59:26] alhamdulillah in 1400 years of
[01:59:27] commentary you'll find plenty of
[01:59:28] commentary
[01:59:29] I don't you're not having heartburn are
[01:59:31] you?
[01:59:31] No, because you just destroyed your
[01:59:32] argument because Okay, let me explain to
[01:59:34] you. No, no, no, no commentary because
[01:59:35] let me make my point. See, you don't you
[01:59:37] go on tangents, man. It's all right. I
[01:59:38] won't
[01:59:38] wasn't a tangent. I'm answering your
[01:59:40] question.
[01:59:40] Let me answer.
[01:59:41] Lord have mercy on me. I know. I prayed
[01:59:43] for patience. Okay. Do you hear it? If
[01:59:45] the Quran clearly taught the text was
[01:59:47] corrupted, you wouldn't have a
[01:59:49] difference of opinion among Muslims who
[01:59:51] know the Arabic text. You see how he
[01:59:52] doesn't listen to himself? You just said
[01:59:54] to the Muslims here, yes, there are
[01:59:57] commentators who know the Quran, Arabic,
[02:00:00] alhamdulillah.
[02:00:02] And when they read that, they don't see,
[02:00:04] oh, they change the words from the con,
[02:00:05] meaning the text, they change it with
[02:00:08] their tongues. 378. But you just gave
[02:00:11] the impression to the Muslims who may
[02:00:12] not read it. It says they changed the
[02:00:14] scripture. Why did you misinterpret it?
[02:00:17] Uh, so I am giving room for the fact
[02:00:19] that in 1400 years of commentary, you
[02:00:21] can find both positions. Now, I'm I'm
[02:00:23] I'm gonna I'm gonna assume you're I know
[02:00:25] we're getting a little warmed up, but
[02:00:26] we're gonna talk.
[02:00:27] I'm okay. No, brother. I'm excited. I'm
[02:00:29] excited.
[02:00:29] You are you are charitable enough to say
[02:00:31] that
[02:00:31] I love you.
[02:00:32] Thank you very much. You are you are you
[02:00:33] are charitable enough to say that the
[02:00:35] majority opinion in Islam is that the
[02:00:37] Bible has been corrupted. Correct.
[02:00:38] Sure.
[02:00:39] Yes. Okay. So, you obviously know that I
[02:00:41] can find an avalanche of commentaries
[02:00:43] that will agree with this point. I'm
[02:00:44] very glad that you said that. So, if you
[02:00:46] say that, well, it could be interpreted
[02:00:47] this way. I'm like, yeah, I know. And it
[02:00:48] can also be interpreted with this
[02:00:49] avalanche that says otherwise. So that's
[02:00:52] the context. So verse 41 says there's
[02:00:55] corruption.
[02:00:56] It just so happens in verse 40 43 it's
[02:00:58] saying that look even a broken clock is
[02:01:00] right twice a day. That's why it says
[02:01:01] they don't just have the Torah they have
[02:01:02] Torah.
[02:01:04] They actually have God's correct verdict
[02:01:07] in this particular case. Not not the
[02:01:09] verdicts of God. Not all of his verdicts
[02:01:10] but in this particular case they were
[02:01:12] supposed to do an execution because the
[02:01:14] guy was did did a certain crime. They
[02:01:15] didn't want to kill the guy. So they
[02:01:16] said let's go.
[02:01:17] You're going to had for that
[02:01:18] interpretation. Right.
[02:01:19] We've talked about it earlier. We talked
[02:01:20] about it earlier. Yeah. That's good. So
[02:01:21] my point is just to say that based on
[02:01:23] that fact, this is a question again, not
[02:01:25] a not you can't not make an assertion.
[02:01:27] It's a question saying how do exactly do
[02:01:28] you reconcile these two ideas that
[02:01:30] apparently you have all of God's
[02:01:31] verdicts but you're also going to the
[02:01:32] prophet. That's a question. And
[02:01:33] therefore later on when in verse 44
[02:01:36] going to the context when it says that
[02:01:38] if you're such a dis a dishonest person
[02:01:40] that you don't judge by what Allah has
[02:01:42] revealed whether it be of what you're
[02:01:43] convinced of in the Torah or whether it
[02:01:44] be by the prophet Muhammad you're always
[02:01:46] trying to play games with scripture then
[02:01:47] this is of someone who rejects the truth
[02:01:49] and is a disbeliever.
[02:01:50] Okay. Now brother [clears throat] I I
[02:01:52] want you to go back listen to yourself.
[02:01:54] Yes.
[02:01:54] Because you admitted you did twist the
[02:01:56] text indirectly. You admitted it.
[02:01:58] You didn't. Secondly forgive us. You
[02:02:00] again read into these verses what's not
[02:02:03] there. That's why I took five, six
[02:02:05] minutes to read it. I didn't even add
[02:02:07] commentary. All you've been doing is
[02:02:09] adding commentary. But I want you to go
[02:02:11] back. Listen. You just admitted. And I
[02:02:14] thank the Lord Jesus for that. Yes. The
[02:02:17] verse didn't say scripture. It says
[02:02:19] context. And yes, it can be interpreted
[02:02:22] either way.
[02:02:23] Oh, the word uh uh the word uh female
[02:02:25] wild there. You said they took the words
[02:02:28] out of context can mean either the text
[02:02:31] or but you read it.
[02:02:32] I'll clarify. I'll clarify. No problem.
[02:02:34] I'll clarify. I'm saying that based on
[02:02:36] the word placement,
[02:02:37] I'm definitely convinced that this is
[02:02:39] talking about misplacing words because
[02:02:41] that's in terms of text. But I'm I'm
[02:02:43] totally agreeing with you.
[02:02:44] Your opinion is your opinion. We're not
[02:02:46] asking. We're saying the text.
[02:02:47] I'm saying that scholarly commentary.
[02:02:49] I'm coming. You're you're you're deep in
[02:02:50] this stuff. You know, if you want to go
[02:02:52] deep into the Bible, what's going to
[02:02:53] happen? And you're going to have so many
[02:02:54] commentaries over thousands of years of
[02:02:56] different perspectives, right? And
[02:02:57] you're going to say, "Look, this is
[02:02:58] what's stronger based on the wording."
[02:03:00] This that's okay,
[02:03:00] my brother. I didn't go to commentaries.
[02:03:02] I know, but see, you're still not
[02:03:03] getting the point. This is why I'm
[02:03:04] getting frustrated.
[02:03:05] He's he's telling
[02:03:06] I didn't go to commentaries. You went to
[02:03:08] the commentaries. And I emphasize I
[02:03:10] wanted to hear. You admitted in the
[02:03:11] commentaries there's a group that says
[02:03:13] it doesn't mean text. I didn't go near
[02:03:15] commentaries. You keep accusing me of
[02:03:17] going to the commentaries.
[02:03:19] Swiss is
[02:03:19] I didn't
[02:03:20] that you said
[02:03:21] I'm meeting you where you're at.
[02:03:22] Yeah. So, thank you for admitting the
[02:03:24] verse didn't say what you said. You've
[02:03:25] been butchering the verses all day,
[02:03:28] all morning.
[02:03:29] And you say, so let's come back to the
[02:03:31] context.
[02:03:32] I I I Okay, go ahead. Uh, if anybody got
[02:03:34] the point, I'm I'm happy for you.
[02:03:36] The point is that this passage is not
[02:03:40] talking about textual corruption. Yes,
[02:03:42] the passage not about the Jews will
[02:03:44] manhandle the commands and try to
[02:03:46] misinterpret it to get away from
[02:03:48] carrying out the judgment. That's why
[02:03:51] the Quran I think that's why the Quran
[02:03:53] says no no no go to your Torah. You're
[02:03:56] going to follow the Torah. My point was
[02:03:58] if I read the context, it didn't
[02:04:01] establish anything you said. What it's
[02:04:02] establishing is you Jews, you don't
[02:04:04] believe Muhammad, right? Follow your
[02:04:06] Sharia. You Christians, you don't
[02:04:08] believe Muhammad, follow your Sharia.
[02:04:11] You do you. You want me to reread again?
[02:04:12] You're nodding your head. You want me to
[02:04:13] read it again? Cuz I thought
[02:04:14] I don't I'm not cutting you off.
[02:04:15] Okay. You Muhammad you judge them by the
[02:04:19] book we've given you and this will be
[02:04:21] Muhammad in what sense even in your
[02:04:24] lexical definition the Quran is going to
[02:04:26] tell you Muslims which part of the
[02:04:29] previous legislation is binding and
[02:04:31] which you're freed from.
[02:04:33] I I find this very bizarre because you
[02:04:34] admitted you acknowledge that the
[02:04:35] prophet Muhammad is the messenger for
[02:04:39] he's the messenger for all of mankind.
[02:04:40] No no I'm saying I'm not saying
[02:04:42] theologically I'm not saying
[02:04:43] theologically you believe that. I'm
[02:04:44] saying you acknowledge that the Quran
[02:04:46] teaches that the prophet Muhammad is a
[02:04:48] prophet for mankind.
[02:04:49] No, I'm just going by the passage. What?
[02:04:51] Oh, hold on. Hold on. So So your whole
[02:04:53] argument depends on the idea that the
[02:04:54] prophet is not for mankind?
[02:04:56] No, my whole argument depends on you
[02:04:58] thinking he is and using him against
[02:05:00] you.
[02:05:00] That I I just you doing a much better
[02:05:03] job in
[02:05:03] Can repeat it again. Go ahead.
[02:05:04] If I was sitting with Bartman, Sure.
[02:05:06] I once said, "Hey, do you know what
[02:05:07] Muhammad said?" He goes, "I don't care."
[02:05:09] Sure.
[02:05:09] Last time I checked, you're a Muslim, so
[02:05:11] I'm going to quote your prophet against
[02:05:12] you.
[02:05:13] Do whatever you want, man.
[02:05:14] But that's what it is.
[02:05:15] So anyway,
[02:05:15] you think when the Mormons come, hey
[02:05:16] Mormons, I want you to see, you got to
[02:05:18] follow what Muhammad says.
[02:05:19] No, I don't quote Muhammad for Mormons.
[02:05:22] I'm going to quote Joseph Smith since
[02:05:24] you're a Muslim.
[02:05:24] Wait, do you quote, Do you quote Joseph
[02:05:26] Smith because you believe in everything
[02:05:26] he says?
[02:05:27] No, because
[02:05:27] Oh, there you go. That So, so there you
[02:05:30] go. Thank you for that. I actually
[02:05:31] appreciate that a lot. You do quote
[02:05:33] them, but not because you believe in
[02:05:34] everything he says. That right there was
[02:05:37] just a concession that everything you've
[02:05:39] said prior kind of falls apart.
[02:05:41] Okay. Pretty good, huh?
[02:05:43] Would you have any more verses?
[02:05:44] Yeah.
[02:05:45] But I'm I'm wondering if he even got my
[02:05:47] point.
[02:05:48] Okay. If you're a Buddhist, you you
[02:05:50] think you
[02:05:50] You know, you cut me off four times
[02:05:52] already.
[02:05:52] Yeah.
[02:05:52] Did you catch it right?
[02:05:54] The guy who's whining about letting me
[02:05:55] me talk.
[02:05:56] Whine is haram.
[02:05:57] Okay. But I'm saying you get what I'm
[02:05:58] saying? You cut me off. And I just want
[02:05:59] no people because when I start cutting
[02:06:01] off, I don't want them to say, "Look,
[02:06:02] he's unfair." Your guy has been cutting
[02:06:04] me off and I'm loving it because
[02:06:05] everything he says, I use against him to
[02:06:07] hang him for the glory of Jesus.
[02:06:10] Oh. Oh. I come back. Let's come back. I
[02:06:12] apologize. Go for it.
[02:06:13] No, no, no. I'm not upset. I want people
[02:06:14] to catch it.
[02:06:15] It has happened.
[02:06:16] That's what I'm saying.
[02:06:17] Go for it.
[02:06:18] Okay. If you're a Muslim, I'm going to
[02:06:21] quote Muhammad to you.
[02:06:22] If you're Muslim
[02:06:22] because you believe in him.
[02:06:24] If he's a Buddhist, would it make sense,
[02:06:26] hey, you know what the Quran says? What
[02:06:27] are you going to tell me?
[02:06:28] I'm not.
[02:06:29] I don't care.
[02:06:30] Yeah, I'm a Muslim. So, in what world
[02:06:33] does it follow that if I quote to a
[02:06:36] Muslim his own prophet to confirm my
[02:06:38] point, that means I'm conceding he's a
[02:06:40] messenger for all the world?
[02:06:42] Okay. Uh,
[02:06:42] what world?
[02:06:43] No, no. I I agree. That's my point. So,
[02:06:46] I don't really know what you're
[02:06:47] So, I'm using your prophet to show you
[02:06:49] stop twisting his words.
[02:06:50] Yeah.
[02:06:51] You respect him. You love him, right?
[02:06:53] You've done for the last two hours
[02:06:55] you've been twisting his words, adding
[02:06:56] to his words, butchering his words. But
[02:06:59] I've gone with the context. Now you went
[02:07:01] outside the Quran, right? You went to
[02:07:03] the hadith, right?
[02:07:05] Okay. But I don't want to go to the
[02:07:06] hadith because I want to stay with the
[02:07:07] Quran because once you went out and you
[02:07:09] said what the context is, we don't want
[02:07:11] to go to Abu Dhith.
[02:07:13] Yeah.
[02:07:14] Where he looks at the copy goes I
[02:07:15] believe in you and the one who sent you
[02:07:16] not part of you some of you most of you.
[02:07:19] So we're going to stay with the Quran.
[02:07:20] Okay. We stay with the Quran. So, do you
[02:07:23] now acknowledge that the context of the
[02:07:25] Quran is saying to the Christians,
[02:07:27] follow your Sharia?
[02:07:29] Uh,
[02:07:30] 548.
[02:07:31] No, no, we already Do you want me to
[02:07:32] read it? I don't want to read it.
[02:07:33] No, but you you agree?
[02:07:34] I already
[02:07:36] I mean, it's right there. I'm very I'm
[02:07:37] very happy not to recircle and go back.
[02:07:38] I I think I made my case very well. 47
[02:07:40] is describing that you do you have
[02:07:42] biographies. You don't have uh uh uh
[02:07:44] pristine revelation if you're
[02:07:46] Where does it say biographies and you
[02:07:47] don't have where did you add? So, you
[02:07:48] added it again. It says people of the
[02:07:50] gospel judge by revelation strictly
[02:07:51] revelation.
[02:07:52] What does it say? Those biographies
[02:07:53] aren't revelation
[02:07:54] because that would mean that Jesus is
[02:07:55] receiving his own. Can you imagine he's
[02:07:57] sitting there and God is revealing to
[02:07:59] him uh today you went fishing. It's like
[02:08:01] from the perspective of Matthew. Yeah, I
[02:08:03] know I went fishing. I don't need
[02:08:04] revelation to tell me my biography. It
[02:08:06] doesn't make sense.
[02:08:07] The text says that
[02:08:08] I'm saying the text is saying stick to
[02:08:09] reve,
[02:08:12] Mark, Luke, and John are not inspired to
[02:08:14] write down what they wrote. You've
[02:08:15] assumed what you've yet to prove and I
[02:08:17] let you get away with it. So, for 2,000
[02:08:19] years, they never they they didn't write
[02:08:21] it. But, you know, can you imagine?
[02:08:23] Don't you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
[02:08:24] John might have just at some point
[02:08:26] wanted to say that this is revelation
[02:08:27] instead of talking about as a biography?
[02:08:29] Boss, do me a favor. Stop arguing from
[02:08:32] silence because now I can turn it
[02:08:33] against you saying, "Okay, you believe
[02:08:35] the entire Quran is revelation."
[02:08:37] Okay. Look, look, look, look, look.
[02:08:38] So, you're changing the topic. That's
[02:08:40] No, sure. Sure, we'll finish this one.
[02:08:41] We'll finish this one. I I just think
[02:08:43] that we I you asked me to reiterate 47
[02:08:45] to 48 and I've already done I think
[02:08:47] no you add it to biographies not your
[02:08:49] where does it say not your biographies
[02:08:51] it says it says judge by revelation
[02:08:54] and who told you that to a Christian
[02:08:56] when you tell him judge by the
[02:08:57] revelation that he does not assume
[02:08:59] Matthew Mark Luke and John is part of
[02:09:00] that revelation we're not asking you
[02:09:02] thank you for admitting assume
[02:09:03] asking that's the point
[02:09:04] okay so you assumed it
[02:09:05] no no you just said the word who why
[02:09:07] would you think that the Christian
[02:09:08] doesn't assume it you do assume it
[02:09:10] but the context is the Christians
[02:09:12] No, if the context is people of the
[02:09:13] gospel who care about the the So, you're
[02:09:16] right. Yeah, you're right. You're right.
[02:09:17] It's people of the gospel, meaning
[02:09:18] Christians. You're right.
[02:09:20] They don't have revelation. They have
[02:09:21] biographies and in it maybe statements
[02:09:23] from Jesus, which is great
[02:09:24] and we can try to extract from that the
[02:09:26] best we can. But when you have
[02:09:27] contradictions and when you have
[02:09:29] theologies that don't doesn't make
[02:09:31] sense, it makes perfect sense for God to
[02:09:33] say therefore in verse 48 this is the
[02:09:38] therefore
[02:09:40] then therefore the conclusion is what
[02:09:42] you have to judge by what Allah has
[02:09:44] revealed
[02:09:45] and in the context what oh no I'm going
[02:09:47] to turn against you first of all hold on
[02:09:48] because you keep going in circles
[02:09:50] brother you're the Christian because
[02:09:52] it's talking to you the Christian not to
[02:09:53] the Muslim
[02:09:54] if I say to you oh people of the gospel
[02:09:57] judge by what God has revealed to you
[02:09:59] as a Christian. Do you assume the entire
[02:10:01] New Testament is revelation?
[02:10:03] Yeah.
[02:10:04] So if I'm telling you not the Muslim
[02:10:06] with his commentary, judge by what God
[02:10:08] has revealed to you. Oh gee, the New
[02:10:11] Testament is revelation from my God.
[02:10:13] Thank you. I'm going to judge by it. We
[02:10:14] don't care for your opinion. We're
[02:10:15] talking about how the Christians would
[02:10:17] understand these terms and they didn't
[02:10:19] share your assumption. Secondly,
[02:10:21] secondly, you again added to 548. I'm
[02:10:25] glad I'm opening their eyes. That's what
[02:10:27] I'm trying. So, I'm hoping that you're
[02:10:28] opening your eyes and you're asking
[02:10:30] yourself, wait a second. It is true that
[02:10:31] I believe that it's revelation, but does
[02:10:34] come to the verse that Jesus was
[02:10:35] revealed his own biography. So, so I
[02:10:38] know you believe that thank God that I'm
[02:10:40] here to make you start asking, wait a
[02:10:42] second, if Jesus talks about my words
[02:10:44] are not my own and that he's actually
[02:10:45] received revelation. Now my question is
[02:10:48] why is it why is it the case that we
[02:10:50] have books that are not in their
[02:10:51] original language that do have
[02:10:52] contradictions within them and they are
[02:10:54] not ever why would they omit the fact
[02:10:56] that they're re because I want to turn
[02:10:58] it against some of the Quran.
[02:10:59] Why would they admit why would they
[02:11:00] never Can you imagine how bizarre it
[02:11:01] would be if you received revelation and
[02:11:03] you don't just even mention in your own
[02:11:04] book that by the way I receive this. In
[02:11:06] fact, instead you talk about yourself
[02:11:07] running around picking up reports,
[02:11:09] picking up reports from
[02:11:10] Can you stop preaching because I'm going
[02:11:12] to because you just you preached to him,
[02:11:14] right?
[02:11:14] Yeah. No, because
[02:11:16] Dude, if you're getting discombobulated,
[02:11:18] losing control, let me know because I
[02:11:19] can so you can
[02:11:21] focus. Let me now take every object and
[02:11:23] buried so this guy won't be nodding
[02:11:24] anymore. Okay. Now, let's come back to
[02:11:26] you. Okay. [laughter]
[02:11:26] Okay. Number one,
[02:11:29] you have assumed your definition of
[02:11:31] inspiration. That if a man is inspired,
[02:11:34] that he is free from the obligation to
[02:11:36] carefully verify that the revelation
[02:11:39] given to him is not simply his
[02:11:41] imagination or lies. But the eyewitness
[02:11:44] will confirm, yes, that's true. Stop
[02:11:46] reading your definition of revelation
[02:11:48] into Luke 1.
[02:11:49] It would be nice if you mentioned it,
[02:11:50] right?
[02:11:51] Well, I'm going to tell you who
[02:11:52] mentioned it. 1 Timothy 5:18, quoting
[02:11:54] the Gospel of Luke, calls it scripture.
[02:11:57] 1 Timothy 5:18.
[02:11:59] Stop telling us
[02:12:00] how we define inspiration.
[02:12:02] You come to us, we'll tell you. 1
[02:12:04] Timothy 5:18, it says, "For the
[02:12:06] scripture says, do not muzzle an ox
[02:12:09] while it's shredding out the grain."
[02:12:10] Deuteronomy 25:4, "For the labor is
[02:12:13] worthy of his wages." That's verbatim.
[02:12:16] Luke 10:7. And it's called scripture. So
[02:12:19] stop imposing your definition. Secondly,
[02:12:21] your Quran agrees with our view of
[02:12:23] inspiration. You know why? And I want
[02:12:25] you to nod your head. Go to Surahan and
[02:12:28] chapter 21. And I'm going to address all
[02:12:30] your points because you keep repeating
[02:12:32] them.
[02:12:32] 21 what?
[02:12:33] Right, brother? [laughter]
[02:12:34] 21105.
[02:12:35] You don't I'm not noticing
[02:12:37] I noticed this guy. I was very excited.
[02:12:38] You're Hispanic.
[02:12:40] That's right. Vlover, man.
[02:12:43] You my primo, man. All right. 21105.
[02:12:46] Sorry. I'm hold
[02:12:48] men. Okay. 105.
[02:12:49] Just I
[02:12:50] Now, guys, I want you to hear this.
[02:12:51] Okay. Whatever. The Quran is going to
[02:12:52] confirm our view of inspiration, not
[02:12:55] his. 21105.
[02:12:58] Yeah. And we have already written in the
[02:13:00] book of the Psalms.
[02:13:01] Now, what is the word book?
[02:13:03] No, it doesn't say. [clears throat]
[02:13:04] Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Means
[02:13:07] we've written
[02:13:09] it. It says
[02:13:09] in what?
[02:13:10] Zabura. Tell them what it means because
[02:13:11] they don't
[02:13:12] is usually translated as psalms. Psalms.
[02:13:14] We have we have written in the Psalms.
[02:13:16] What did he write? After what? Uh after
[02:13:18] the previous mention that the land of
[02:13:20] paradise is
[02:13:20] after what? Because after the right
[02:13:23] uh that's right.
[02:13:24] Yeah. Because so the came before it.
[02:13:26] What did we write in the Psalms?
[02:13:28] Uh that the earth will be inherited by
[02:13:33] by my righteous servants.
[02:13:34] Who wrote that in the Psalm?
[02:13:36] Who uh who wrote the Psalms?
[02:13:38] No. No. Right there. Who wrote that?
[02:13:39] This is Quran.
[02:13:40] Yeah. But who wrote
[02:13:41] How about you just make your point? Go
[02:13:41] ahead. Make your point.
[02:13:42] Allah, right? We wrote
[02:13:44] all the time. Yes. This is Quran. Yes.
[02:13:45] Yes. Go ahead.
[02:13:45] That's Psalm 37. It was written by
[02:13:47] David. So is David your Allah?
[02:13:50] No, no, no, no, no. Be serious.
[02:13:51] [laughter] No, no, no, no. Because Yeah.
[02:13:53] Psalm 37:29.
[02:13:54] Okay. This is the Islamic dilemma,
[02:13:56] ladies and gentlemen. This is the
[02:13:57] Islamic dilemma. You get the point that
[02:13:59] that Okay. So, you got the point. Do Do
[02:14:00] you understand that when God sends a
[02:14:02] messenger, the messenger delivers a
[02:14:04] message?
[02:14:05] You just made my point.
[02:14:06] When you say when you say Moses said
[02:14:08] this and it's the word of God, you're
[02:14:10] not saying Moses is God. When you say
[02:14:12] that about David or the prophet
[02:14:13] Muhammad,
[02:14:13] my friend, do you get my point? No, you
[02:14:15] were doing much better a second ago. I
[02:14:16] don't know how I'm gonna do way better
[02:14:17] than you think because you just
[02:14:19] confirmed.
[02:14:21] You just confirmed.
[02:14:23] You just confirmed.
[02:14:24] My view of inspiration. David wrote it,
[02:14:26] but Allah takes responsibility. Said, "I
[02:14:28] wrote it."
[02:14:29] You didn't get my point.
[02:14:31] Everyone got it, but you didn't get it.
[02:14:32] Let me repeat again.
[02:14:33] Yes.
[02:14:34] David wrote that verse, but Allah says,
[02:14:36] "I wrote it."
[02:14:36] Yes. Yes. He's a prophet.
[02:14:37] Which means Allah
[02:14:38] Yes. He's a prophet, not a disciple.
[02:14:40] Yes. Go ahead.
[02:14:40] Well, we're going to get to the
[02:14:41] disciples. Don't run. We're going to get
[02:14:42] there. So that means my view of
[02:14:45] inspiration is correct according to your
[02:14:46] Quran, not yours. It's not divine
[02:14:48] dictation. God had David write those
[02:14:51] words. He goes, "I wrote it."
[02:14:53] So that means the Quran is agreeing with
[02:14:54] our view of inspiration, not yours. So
[02:14:56] stop imposing your definition on our
[02:14:57] Bible.
[02:14:58] If anybody was convinced by that, I'm
[02:14:59] very happy for you. That's okay. That's
[02:15:00] fine. But uh but but simply put, yes,
[02:15:03] David being a prophet that received
[02:15:05] inspiration from God, that is very
[02:15:07] clear. Uh we have no problem with that.
[02:15:09] the psalm, sorry, not psalms, the gospel
[02:15:11] writers just reporting what they did in
[02:15:13] their lives walking around, not saying
[02:15:15] that, you know, God told me this or that
[02:15:16] God says. No, no, just simply saying
[02:15:18] this is what we did today. This is what
[02:15:19] we did today. That's all my point is.
[02:15:20] But I'm I'm super happy to move on, but
[02:15:22] let's come back here. No, no, because
[02:15:23] now I'm going to deal with the
[02:15:23] disciples, but I don't know if you got
[02:15:25] what my point was. I know you're getting
[02:15:26] frustrated. I know. There's there's a
[02:15:28] bunch of verses that I really hope to
[02:15:29] get to about the Islamic dilemma because
[02:15:32] none of this
[02:15:33] I know I've been jumping with you and
[02:15:34] I've addressed every one of your
[02:15:35] No, I'm not 21 105 definitely doesn't
[02:15:37] say that. Uh, today's Bible is
[02:15:39] authentic.
[02:15:40] That wasn't my argument.
[02:15:41] I know. That's my point.
[02:15:42] Lord, save me. Take me home. That's not
[02:15:44] my argument.
[02:15:44] I'm just saying we're not talking about
[02:15:45] the Islamic dilemma at all.
[02:15:46] No, it is Islamic. Let me make my case,
[02:15:49] brother. Right. Go for it. Allahbar.
[02:15:53] Let me make my case, brother. I'm going
[02:15:54] with you
[02:15:56] when you said Luke carefully
[02:15:59] investigating is not inspired. So, I
[02:16:01] showed you even Quranically speaking,
[02:16:03] you have a wrong definition of
[02:16:04] inspiration. What do you not follow? Uh,
[02:16:06] I got your point that
[02:16:08] So, can we stop that?
[02:16:10] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're fine.
[02:16:11] Can we stop? I know you don't believe in
[02:16:12] Luke. I want to get to that point.
[02:16:14] I mean, I believe you don't believe he's
[02:16:15] inspired.
[02:16:16] Yeah. He did his best to report.
[02:16:17] No. No. He He did bunch better than the
[02:16:19] Quran. I'll show you in a minute. No.
[02:16:20] Historically, archaeologically, it's
[02:16:21] fine.
[02:16:22] You also said I want everyone to hear
[02:16:24] it. Okay. I want you to hear it. You
[02:16:25] especially primo. I want you to nod your
[02:16:27] head with this one. Okay.
[02:16:28] I don't think he's impressed.
[02:16:30] You also said that because I love
[02:16:31] Hispanic people. I love them. What about
[02:16:33] the rest of my my fiance? If she's
[02:16:35] stupid enough to marry me, she's
[02:16:36] Hispanic. Pray God have mercy on her
[02:16:38] living with me, man. You see that? I
[02:16:42] need help, man. Pray for me. Maybe I
[02:16:43] have a jin. I need deliverance by the
[02:16:45] back.
[02:16:45] May Allah guide us all.
[02:16:46] I hope so. Now, coming back to the
[02:16:48] issue, I want everyone to hear what you
[02:16:50] said. See, I'm hearing you. You think
[02:16:52] I'm not. You said that in the Matthew,
[02:16:55] Mark, Luke, and John, you don't have the
[02:16:57] words of Jesus in the original language.
[02:16:58] It's in Greek, right?
[02:17:00] Uh, sorry. in the the message of Luke
[02:17:02] and John. Yes. Yes. Yes.
[02:17:03] So it's not in his words, right?
[02:17:04] Uh to the to what we know.
[02:17:06] No, he spoke Aramaic, right? So it
[02:17:07] wasn't Greek. So you don't even have
[02:17:08] That's what you said, right?
[02:17:09] That was the point. Yeah, I made the
[02:17:10] point.
[02:17:10] Okay. What language?
[02:17:11] It's not the Islamic dilemma, but go
[02:17:12] ahead. No, no, no. I you you you made
[02:17:14] your point. Just to be clear, he made
[02:17:16] his point. I had a response. I said, you
[02:17:17] know what? Let's drop it for the sake of
[02:17:18] Islam. Now he wants to go back to this
[02:17:21] addressing your point.
[02:17:22] Go ahead. Keep But I just hope I get to
[02:17:25] the point. I don't want you to get
[02:17:26] painted as a guy who can't even deliver
[02:17:28] the Islamic dilemma because you're not
[02:17:29] even
[02:17:29] No, he's he's a this guy's like a
[02:17:31] special
[02:17:33] you should do standup comed comedy but
[02:17:35] sitting down. You'd be great at it.
[02:17:36] Okay, let's come back to the issue. I'm
[02:17:38] addressing your point.
[02:17:40] You said I want you to hear it.
[02:17:43] We don't have Jesus's words in his
[02:17:45] mother tongue, right? [sighs]
[02:17:46] Do your thing, man.
[02:17:47] This guy doesn't want to even address
[02:17:48] Do it. Do it. Do it.
[02:17:50] What language do you have Jesus speaking
[02:17:51] in your Quran?
[02:17:52] You know, go ahead.
[02:17:52] What is it?
[02:17:54] Just make your point.
[02:17:55] What dialect? Please answer questions
[02:17:57] like I answer yours. Stop dodging.
[02:17:59] Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry.
[02:18:00] What language do you have? Moses,
[02:18:02] Abraham.
[02:18:03] What language do you have? Ishmamail,
[02:18:05] [clears throat]
[02:18:07] Isaac, Jonah, Jesus disciples speaking
[02:18:10] in the Quran. What language?
[02:18:11] So, you could just say the Quran doesn't
[02:18:13] mention the language of each prophet.
[02:18:14] What language does the Quran have them
[02:18:16] speaking in?
[02:18:17] The Quran is in Arabic and they and the
[02:18:19] Quran does not mention each language
[02:18:20] that they spoke.
[02:18:21] And then that's not my question. Do you
[02:18:22] get my question? Did I answer it?
[02:18:23] When the Quran quotes them, what
[02:18:25] language does it have them speak?
[02:18:27] I already asked. Why you say I'm not
[02:18:28] answering?
[02:18:28] What's the What's the language?
[02:18:29] Arabic. I just said it.
[02:18:31] But not just Arabic. Kureshi Arabic.
[02:18:32] Right.
[02:18:33] Sure.
[02:18:34] So, can you give us historical evidence
[02:18:35] that Jesus spoke Kureshi Arabic in the
[02:18:37] first century?
[02:18:37] This is not good. This is
[02:18:39] I know it's a burial.
[02:18:40] This is not This is not a good
[02:18:41] You guys think it was good,
[02:18:42] guys? Is any This This can't be.
[02:18:45] Can you answer the question? Yes.
[02:18:46] Answer.
[02:18:47] Okay. I'm going to be honest with you.
[02:18:48] Yeah. At this point, I am starting to
[02:18:50] feel like you don't want to talk about
[02:18:51] the Islamic dilemma because you're
[02:18:52] saying the Quran was in Arabic and when
[02:18:55] it quoted prophets, it quoted them in
[02:18:57] Arabic.
[02:18:58] Oh, this guy's going to give me a heart
[02:18:59] attack.
[02:18:59] That's like a That's like a a landslide
[02:19:01] point for you.
[02:19:02] No, that's not it. Brother, let me
[02:19:04] repeat it again, brother.
[02:19:05] Let's let's let's I think we got to take
[02:19:06] a break.
[02:19:06] Okay, we're going to go to But you
[02:19:07] understand why I brought it up, right?
[02:19:09] He brought up Let me repeat so people
[02:19:11] unedited. Thank you, Jesus. You're the
[02:19:13] one who said the crown is not confirming
[02:19:15] Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
[02:19:16] biographies. And it's not even the
[02:19:18] language of Jesus
[02:19:19] because it is inspiration from God when
[02:19:21] they never said that. They're they're
[02:19:22] disciples. They never even claimed it.
[02:19:24] Yeah,
[02:19:24] brother. If you're gonna not let me
[02:19:26] finish a point, then that means you've
[02:19:27] lost the debate.
[02:19:28] Yikes, man.
[02:19:28] I'm using your argument to show you
[02:19:31] you're inconsistent.
[02:19:33] If you demand that I have to have
[02:19:34] Jesus's words in Aramaic, not in Greek,
[02:19:37] I'm going to demand I don't care you
[02:19:38] have Jesus speaking Kuresh Arabic, a
[02:19:40] language he did not know, neither
[02:19:42] prophets. Give me his original language.
[02:19:45] When the Quran says Issa said this, give
[02:19:47] me the Aramaic. Give it to me.
[02:19:49] Okay, I'm going to answer you now,
[02:19:50] please.
[02:19:50] Can you answer? Can you give me a
[02:19:51] second? Can you give me a second?
[02:19:52] Yeah, I'm going to give you 10 seconds.
[02:19:54] The Prophet Muhammad claimed to be a
[02:19:55] prophet receiving revelation from God,
[02:19:57] and the disciples didn't make the claim
[02:19:59] that they're receiving revelation from
[02:20:01] God. It would be a good detail to
[02:20:02] mention. They just never did. Instead,
[02:20:05] what did they do?
[02:20:06] They simply described a biography. The
[02:20:08] Prophetam is talking about people from
[02:20:09] times that he could never meet. He
[02:20:10] didn't meet Abraham. He didn't meet
[02:20:11] Adam. And so clearly, when he's saying,
[02:20:13] "I'm a prophet. I'm receiving revelation
[02:20:15] and this is what has been revealed.
[02:20:16] Yeah, it's pretty clear what's going on
[02:20:17] here. So that therefore it's in the
[02:20:19] Arabic language so people the Arabs can
[02:20:20] understand it and it's a it's a eloquent
[02:20:22] language so that later on the world can
[02:20:23] study and be very clear about it. That's
[02:20:25] great. This has nothing to do with what
[02:20:27] you're talking about now. Now,
[02:20:29] okay,
[02:20:30] can I address that real quick?
[02:20:31] Yeah, of course.
[02:20:32] Okay. I All you did was establish a
[02:20:35] principle which I wanted you to do. You
[02:20:37] can have God inspire someone to take the
[02:20:41] words of a prophet in a language other
[02:20:44] than his own and it still be accurate
[02:20:46] and faithful. That's all I wanted you to
[02:20:47] admit. So, thank you for admitting it.
[02:20:49] You caught it right.
[02:20:50] I think everybody got the point.
[02:20:51] Okay. So, can we drop Hold on. Can we
[02:20:53] drop this argument? Muslims don't use
[02:20:55] this argument anymore that we don't have
[02:20:57] Jesus words in his mother tongue because
[02:20:58] you don't either. But you're going to
[02:20:59] say, "Well, we have it in the language
[02:21:01] of the prophets." So, what we're going
[02:21:02] to say to you as Christians, well, we
[02:21:04] have the words of the inspired authors.
[02:21:06] You may not think they're inspired.
[02:21:08] They don't even say they are.
[02:21:09] Uh, you want to bet?
[02:21:10] Do you want to go? You want to change
[02:21:11] it?
[02:21:11] No. I I just want you to go to the the
[02:21:13] Islamic dilemma.
[02:21:14] So, do we establish now your argument
[02:21:17] that it has to be in the original
[02:21:19] language?
[02:21:21] Yeah. I've been doing Islamish kebab for
[02:21:23] the last two hours. Okay.
[02:21:25] Did we establish now? Did we establish
[02:21:28] now your arguments are very bad because
[02:21:30] it will then bury your very
[02:21:32] [clears throat] argument for Islam.
[02:21:34] You got
[02:21:35] stop using these arguments.
[02:21:35] You got the conclusion. You're bad. Got
[02:21:36] it. That's a conclusion. Now
[02:21:38] what it is is don't use an argument that
[02:21:40] I don't have Jesus' words in his mother
[02:21:41] tongue but in Greek because you don't
[02:21:43] have any of the prophets except in the
[02:21:44] language of Muhammad. You assume he's a
[02:21:46] prophet like I assume Matthew, Mark,
[02:21:48] Luke, and John are inspired.
[02:21:49] This is reiteration, right? You
[02:21:50] understand? You saw how I was with the
[02:21:53] reiterations. Are there particular
[02:21:55] verses, and I know you're gonna say,
[02:21:56] "I've been doing this whole time." I get
[02:21:57] it. But, um, is there a couple more?
[02:21:59] Yeah. I I would like a verse that that
[02:22:01] any Christian could show to a Muslim and
[02:22:03] say, "You have to believe in your Bible
[02:22:04] today."
[02:22:05] What's the verse you're going to use?
[02:22:06] Okay. When we talk about Islamic DM, and
[02:22:08] I don't know why you call me the OG. I
[02:22:10] don't know where I got that reputation,
[02:22:11] but you said OG. I don't know.
[02:22:13] You're one of the first names when I
[02:22:14] embraced Islam like more
[02:22:16] I came up among you guys.
[02:22:17] You you you were one of the first names
[02:22:19] I've ever heard. Yeah. You're the OG,
[02:22:20] man.
[02:22:20] And God is my witness. I'm not looking
[02:22:22] for that reputation. If I could just
[02:22:24] teach the Bible and disappear, I would.
[02:22:25] But hey, you guys call me OG. I'm OG,
[02:22:28] bro. What's up?
[02:22:28] They call you the last boss.
[02:22:29] What's up?
[02:22:30] Yeah, they call me LeBron James.
[02:22:31] Yeah, they call him the last boss.
[02:22:33] They call me what?
[02:22:34] They call you the last boss.
[02:22:35] Good. Come on.
[02:22:37] Don't Don't I'm already puffed up. Don't
[02:22:38] get me [laughter] puffed up, right?
[02:22:40] Okay. Now, part of the Islamic dilemma
[02:22:41] is twofold. If you follow my arguments,
[02:22:43] it's not just what the Quran says about
[02:22:45] scriptures. It talks about the triumph
[02:22:46] of the Christians.
[02:22:48] Oh, you're going to go to 61.
[02:22:49] It does. Well, 350. Is that what you
[02:22:50] want me to do? I'll bring it up. That's
[02:22:51] what I go wherever you want.
[02:22:53] Well, it's uh 355 and 6114. 355 614.
[02:22:58] Yeah, I got you.
[02:22:59] I didn't know that you guys called me
[02:23:01] the Yeah, I don't know, man.
[02:23:04] May May I be forgotten by the grace of
[02:23:06] God? No one remember me.
[02:23:08] You'll be remembered as the best Muslim
[02:23:09] inshallah.
[02:23:11] You're really praying hard for me, man.
[02:23:12] I really I I Anyway, I I have I have
[02:23:15] conviction, but I'm crazy.
[02:23:17] Uh 355. um and mentioned when Allah
[02:23:20] said, "Oh Jesus, indeed I will take you
[02:23:21] and raise you to myself." Well, okay.
[02:23:23] Would you like to make
[02:23:24] Okay. The part of the Isla is that
[02:23:26] there's a promise in the Quran. Now,
[02:23:28] again, I appeal to it because you're a
[02:23:30] Muslim.
[02:23:30] Yeah.
[02:23:31] If I'm talking to a barter man, I don't
[02:23:32] quote the Quran. Like when the Mormons
[02:23:34] come in, we're not going to be talking.
[02:23:36] So, I say to the Let me put the
[02:23:39] Christian. If I was a Christian and a
[02:23:41] Jewish person came up to me and he
[02:23:43] attacked the New Testament, I couldn't
[02:23:45] attack the Old Testament. Why? Because
[02:23:47] as a Christian, New Testament tells me
[02:23:49] believe in the Old Testament. So I'm in
[02:23:50] a dilemma. You can call it the Christian
[02:23:52] dilemma.
[02:23:52] I get one point. Yes.
[02:23:53] Okay. So since Christianity comes after
[02:23:56] the Old Testament, we have to now submit
[02:23:58] to it because Jesus told us this is what
[02:24:01] we see is a situation Muslims that you
[02:24:03] come later. Now you're in a dilemma not
[02:24:05] just with the Old Testament, New
[02:24:06] Testament. But part of the argument, the
[02:24:10] dilemma is in 355 614 there's a promise
[02:24:14] made to Jesus. When Allah takes him, he
[02:24:16] says, "I will make those who follow you
[02:24:19] superior to those who disbelieve and
[02:24:22] they will be uppermost till the day of
[02:24:23] resurrection."
[02:24:24] Can I can I just This is easy. Uh we
[02:24:26] wouldn't believe that a trinitarian is
[02:24:28] following him. We would believe that a
[02:24:29] montheist is following him. So, I just
[02:24:31] don't think this makes your case.
[02:24:32] All right. Well, I mean, I'll get to
[02:24:33] that. I mean, I will. I promise. You can
[02:24:35] disagree with me. Like I said, I mean,
[02:24:36] that's fine. But then the Quran says he
[02:24:39] kept the promise. 61:14.
[02:24:40] Okay. Let's go there. Right. Sure. Yeah.
[02:24:42] there where it says that when Jesus came
[02:24:44] who will be my helpers for Allah
[02:24:46] and a party the children of Israel
[02:24:48] believed yeah
[02:24:48] and there was a party disbelieved and we
[02:24:50] made those who believed
[02:24:52] victorious over the disbelievers okay so
[02:24:55] now here's where remember Christian
[02:24:56] perspective
[02:24:57] if these are true statements Jesus's
[02:25:00] true followers conquered
[02:25:03] uh okay I'll I'll explain
[02:25:04] so historically
[02:25:06] we want to know who they are and what
[02:25:07] they taught now if someone then says
[02:25:10] well their message is corrupt then that
[02:25:12] means they were not victorious till the
[02:25:13] day of resurrection because it doesn't
[02:25:15] say they'll be victorious for a short
[02:25:16] time be defeated by Pauline Christians
[02:25:19] then Islam comes it says till the day of
[02:25:22] resurrection that's the dilemma
[02:25:23] you're quoting 614 it says till
[02:25:25] and 355 it says till the day of
[02:25:28] resurrection
[02:25:28] all right so you dealt with 355
[02:25:29] mentioning that true okay okay but I
[02:25:32] just want to clarify 355 is talking
[02:25:34] about true followers and we do believe
[02:25:36] that they are going to be victorious
[02:25:37] this doesn't mean that every fight they
[02:25:38] fight they're going to be like I can't I
[02:25:40] can't lose I can't get punched
[02:25:41] I always win, right? So, no, there's
[02:25:43] going to be ups and downs, but they are
[02:25:44] the superior ones because they are
[02:25:46] monotheists. And that's true from the
[02:25:48] time of Isaam Jesus all the way down to
[02:25:50] judgment day. So, that would be one
[02:25:52] interpretation of that. No problem.
[02:25:53] Now, in terms of 61:14, uh it's
[02:25:56] specifically talking about at the time
[02:25:57] of Jesus himself because it's talking
[02:25:58] about disciples, right? So, we're
[02:26:00] talking about that particular
[02:26:01] generation. And it says what?
[02:26:05] So, a part of them believed, right, from
[02:26:07] the Israelites and a party of them
[02:26:09] disbelieved. Now,
[02:26:14] God gave help to the believing party
[02:26:17] over their enemy. Now, Allah could have
[02:26:20] said their enemies. But now, this is
[02:26:23] where, and I'm going to be honest, this
[02:26:24] is a little bit of exigesus here. Go
[02:26:26] ahead. [clears throat] But yeah, when it
[02:26:27] says that he gave them victory over
[02:26:30] their enemy,
[02:26:30] yes,
[02:26:32] Allah knows best. But I think that a
[02:26:33] fair reading of this verse is that
[02:26:35] amongst
[02:26:36] the uh uh uh disciples and amongst the
[02:26:39] believers at that time that believed in
[02:26:40] Jesus,
[02:26:41] they did have a clear enemy. And that
[02:26:43] enemy was Paul because he came in. Let
[02:26:45] me explain why.
[02:26:46] No, I'm I know.
[02:26:47] I don't get upset like that. You think
[02:26:49] he's an antichrist.
[02:26:50] I didn't word. I don't know why you're
[02:26:51] getting that word.
[02:26:51] No, anti means against Christ. I'm just
[02:26:53] saying I guess linguistically, sure.
[02:26:55] Yeah. But anyways, so so what what I
[02:26:57] would say is that when it comes to Paul
[02:26:59] in particularly in particular, uh we
[02:27:01] find that how did they become
[02:27:04] so means to have victory over him and it
[02:27:08] also means to be evident. That's why the
[02:27:10] prayer is when the sun is the like the
[02:27:12] clearest, right? So means evident and
[02:27:14] also victorious. What's so beautiful,
[02:27:17] yeah,
[02:27:18] is that James was the belie was the head
[02:27:21] of the believers and James puts Paul in
[02:27:23] check in front of everybody and says,
[02:27:25] "Hey, people are making rumors about
[02:27:27] you, saying that you're against the
[02:27:28] law." And so what we're going to do is
[02:27:30] we're going to make sure you fulfill the
[02:27:31] the rights. This is in Acts, I think,
[02:27:33] like 21 or
[02:27:33] 21. I got it right. Look at that. I
[02:27:35] freestyle that one. So, uh, so Acts
[02:27:37] 21ish,
[02:27:38] whatever.
[02:27:39] 21. And what we have is now the
[02:27:42] believers recognizing James as a leader,
[02:27:45] putting him in place. And the reason
[02:27:47] it's is because a it's it's it's making
[02:27:49] him lower. It's like humbling him and uh
[02:27:52] making him in line with the actual
[02:27:53] message of Jesus. And secondly, the
[02:27:55] reason why it's because you have that
[02:27:57] text till today. So forever every single
[02:27:59] Christian can look at this and see that
[02:28:04] over their enemy that they became
[02:28:05] dominant over their enemy.
[02:28:08] Thank you. No. Well, you want to ask No,
[02:28:10] because I'm trying to engage you to
[02:28:11] assume I'm listening to you. I I do
[02:28:13] listen to you. If you guys notice, I try
[02:28:15] to hear you carefully. So, when I do my
[02:28:16] head moves, not I'm not ignoring you. I
[02:28:18] listen.
[02:28:20] [clears throat]
[02:28:20] When you went to Acts 21, so this is
[02:28:22] where I'm saying it's one thing when the
[02:28:24] Muslim hears it and they're not
[02:28:26] convinced. That's fine.
[02:28:27] But when you quote this to show it to
[02:28:29] the Christian,
[02:28:30] you refuted the argument. The Christian
[02:28:32] is going to scratch his head, say,
[02:28:33] "Wait, the same Acts where in Acts 15,
[02:28:37] James is in agreement with Paul and
[02:28:39] Peter that you're saved by the grace of
[02:28:41] the Lord Jesus Christ." That book of
[02:28:43] Acts, the same book of Acts where you
[02:28:46] have the Jewish followers of Jesus long
[02:28:48] before Paul's conver conversion teaching
[02:28:52] that Christ was killed, raised on a
[02:28:54] third day, he ascended to heaven, and he
[02:28:56] reigns as Lord over all. Acts 10:36-43.
[02:28:59] So this is where now the Christian sits
[02:29:01] back and says, "Wait, if you're going to
[02:29:03] quote James, Acts [clears throat] 21,
[02:29:05] read all of it. James is on Paul's side.
[02:29:07] Paul is on James side." Earlier in Acts
[02:29:10] 15, James is on the side of Paul and
[02:29:12] Peter. They're all preaching the same
[02:29:14] gospel. And this is the same book that
[02:29:16] says Peter before Paul showed up. Acts
[02:29:20] two, Acts 3, Acts 10 taught that Christ
[02:29:23] was killed, [clears throat]
[02:29:25] raised on a third day, ascended
[02:29:27] physically into heaven, and he reigns as
[02:29:29] Lord. Even uses the word Lord of all,
[02:29:32] and he will return to judge the living
[02:29:34] and dead. None of the book of Acts
[02:29:36] supports that they were the true
[02:29:38] followers in the Islamic sense because
[02:29:40] it's not Islam. So, if they are the
[02:29:42] victorious ones, they're not teaching
[02:29:43] Islam.
[02:29:44] Okay. So, great. What I would say is
[02:29:46] that um as you already know, we don't
[02:29:50] agree with the entirety of the book.
[02:29:51] We're trying to highlight the parts that
[02:29:53] you believe in.
[02:29:54] Now, you will say, "Hey, wait a second.
[02:29:56] There's other ideas here." Well, that's
[02:29:57] kind of our point that there are
[02:29:58] inconsistencies. You will find certain
[02:30:00] things that agree with your theology,
[02:30:01] and then there will there will be other
[02:30:03] things that create tension. Like, for
[02:30:05] example, practicing the law. It seems
[02:30:07] that James and the people around him,
[02:30:09] they definitely upheld laws and believed
[02:30:11] in a particular Sharia. I know you like
[02:30:13] that term, right? And then and then
[02:30:15] because of that what we would say is
[02:30:16] that even if not everything is the exact
[02:30:18] same as Islam that's okay at that time
[02:30:20] they may have had slight differences
[02:30:22] right but still we generally understand
[02:30:24] [clears throat and cough] they had their
[02:30:25] sharia and Paul comes along and says
[02:30:28] that no more we are you know it's dead
[02:30:30] from the law it's it's over now and we
[02:30:32] we you know we're saved by uh uh faith
[02:30:34] alone and all this stuff and this is
[02:30:35] actually funny enough I brought this up
[02:30:37] during Avery's debate and he literally
[02:30:39] just made a blank face and moved on. I
[02:30:42] don't think he doesn't know. So So so so
[02:30:45] when it was very strange. I was like, is
[02:30:47] it because he knows that Christians
[02:30:48] don't know this? But you know this.
[02:30:49] Thank God I'm talking to you. I know. I
[02:30:50] know.
[02:30:51] So he didn't address it. I I'll address
[02:30:52] it with you.
[02:30:52] Yes.
[02:30:53] When it says that people will be running
[02:30:54] up to Jesus saying, "Lord, Lord," and he
[02:30:56] says, "Get away from me because you are
[02:30:57] anomos."
[02:30:58] Yeah. Without the law. Act 7:23.
[02:31:01] This is why you got to talk to the OG,
[02:31:02] right? Okay.
[02:31:03] So doesn't Paul This is
[02:31:06] What's up, Brandon? What's up, Holmes?
[02:31:08] Uh, doesn't [laughter]
[02:31:09] Paul describe himself with the quality
[02:31:11] of anomos? Not just literally, not
[02:31:13] doesn't he just literally use that term
[02:31:14] and say, "I'm not under the law. I am
[02:31:16] anomos." So imagine Jesus literally
[02:31:18] making a prediction about the future
[02:31:20] saying, "I'm warning you guys from
[02:31:22] somebody who is in the Greek anomos."
[02:31:24] And then later on in many places, Paul's
[02:31:26] describing that look, you're free from
[02:31:27] the law and these people, I wish they
[02:31:28] would chop off the whole thing because
[02:31:30] they're circumcising. And and and
[02:31:31] there's there's many examples of saying
[02:31:33] we're done with all that, justified by
[02:31:34] faith alone, etc.
[02:31:36] And then he literally uses that term.
[02:31:39] So, okay, we're definitely not talking
[02:31:41] about the Islamic dilemma anymore.
[02:31:42] No, I don't mind.
[02:31:45] I want you to bring this up. I'm going
[02:31:46] to No, I don't care.
[02:31:50] I'll call you that. Is that okay?
[02:31:53] I'm not honest. I'm not trying to be
[02:31:54] humble. I'm not trying to be humble, but
[02:31:55] No, I already
[02:31:57] going back. Yeah. Yes.
[02:32:00] Okay. Coming back. Go for it. Number
[02:32:02] one, uh, I don't know how other
[02:32:05] Christians will understand, Paul,
[02:32:06] because I know what you're referring to.
[02:32:07] You were referring to 1 Corinthians
[02:32:09] 9:20.
[02:32:09] You're good. I don't know.
[02:32:10] But then we read 21. It says, "To those
[02:32:13] without the law, as one without the law,
[02:32:15] but I myself am not without the law. I'm
[02:32:17] under the law of Christ." That's 1
[02:32:20] Corinthians 9:21. I'm under the law of
[02:32:22] Christ. What he means is when I'm
[02:32:24] preaching, if there's a Jewish person,
[02:32:27] I won't do something to offend them by
[02:32:29] going against the law unless they use an
[02:32:31] excuse to reject Christ.
[02:32:33] He goes, "But then you have heathens who
[02:32:35] don't fear God. I'm not going to come
[02:32:36] and shove the law down their throat. I'm
[02:32:38] going to teach them there is a God. You
[02:32:40] need to believe in him. And then when
[02:32:41] they submit, I will teach them to follow
[02:32:42] the law of Christ." So in 1 Corinthians
[02:32:44] 9:21, that's what you're referring to.
[02:32:46] 9:20 without law. But then read 21. I'm
[02:32:51] under the law of Christ. So you can ask
[02:32:53] me about these. I don't mind. I don't
[02:32:54] mind. We can say you look it up. 1
[02:32:56] Corinthians 9:201.
[02:32:58] Yet I am under the law of Christ. So he
[02:33:01] doesn't say he's lawless. He's under the
[02:33:04] law of Christ, not the law of Musa, the
[02:33:06] law of Christ. And in so far as Jews are
[02:33:09] concerned, now we're going to go back to
[02:33:10] Acts 21.
[02:33:11] Well, I'm sorry. I think 1 Corinthians
[02:33:12] 9:20 to 21.
[02:33:13] I think you're I think you're saying it.
[02:33:15] Maybe I'm mistaken. Here we go.
[02:33:17] To the Jews, I became like a Jew to win
[02:33:19] the Jews. To those under the law, I
[02:33:21] became like one under the law. Though I
[02:33:23] myself am not
[02:33:25] under the law. That's right. And to win
[02:33:27] those under the law. To those who not
[02:33:29] having the law, I became like one who
[02:33:30] have the law, though I am not free of
[02:33:32] go. Well, that's in brackets. So,
[02:33:33] No, no, no. That's in the Greek. That's
[02:33:34] brackets. That's in translation. Read
[02:33:36] it. What does it say?
[02:33:37] But but I am under Christ's law.
[02:33:39] Wait, so read that 21 one more time.
[02:33:40] No, I I got you. You nailed it. You got
[02:33:42] it.
[02:33:42] Okay. So, it didn't say I'm lawless.
[02:33:45] So, my question is then why does he
[02:33:47] constantly describe not being under the
[02:33:48] law? Yeah, I'll get to that. I I promise
[02:33:50] you I'll address everything. You can ask
[02:33:51] me these. We don't that we'll make it
[02:33:53] this topic, okay? Even what you quote in
[02:33:55] Acts 21, if you read 18 or 26, read it.
[02:33:58] Don't take my word for it. I'm not
[02:33:59] saying believe it. You guys just read
[02:34:01] it.
[02:34:02] The debate wasn't whether Gentiles were
[02:34:06] not ethnically Jewish, right? Should
[02:34:09] they still keep the law of Moses? That's
[02:34:11] not the context. The debate was we Jews,
[02:34:14] ethnic Jews, do we still keep those
[02:34:16] commands that Gentiles don't have to?
[02:34:19] James says, he even says it in Acts
[02:34:21] 21:25, it's in the same chapter you
[02:34:23] refer to. He says, "As for the Gentiles,
[02:34:26] as far these are the laws we imposed on
[02:34:29] them, what it did not include was that
[02:34:31] you, a Gentile, need to get circumcised
[02:34:34] and keep kashut, what you could call
[02:34:36] halal." He goes, "We've told them, 'But
[02:34:39] we Jews," because the accusation was
[02:34:41] Paul, you're teaching Jews, don't keep
[02:34:43] the law of Moses. Nowhere will you find
[02:34:45] in the letters of Paul that he's talking
[02:34:47] to the Jews. He's talking to the
[02:34:49] Gentiles because a group of Jews were
[02:34:51] coming in saying, "Hey, you got to get
[02:34:53] circumcised because no, they don't."
[02:34:55] That James agrees with him. That's why I
[02:34:57] say when you go to Acts 21, go to Acts
[02:34:59] 15 because that was the debate. In Acts
[02:35:02] 15, you start at one. A group of Jews
[02:35:06] were debating Paul and Barnabas saying,
[02:35:07] "No, Gentiles have to get circumcised
[02:35:09] like us." They go, "No, they don't."
[02:35:12] They went to Jerusalem. James presiding,
[02:35:15] James agreed with Paul. So, there's no
[02:35:17] contradiction if we read in context.
[02:35:19] James agreed with Paul. Peter agreed
[02:35:21] with Paul. Gentiles don't have to get
[02:35:23] circumcised and keep those parts of law
[02:35:26] Moses. Here are the laws they keep. We
[02:35:28] Jews, however, to show honor to the God
[02:35:31] of Moses and sending the Messiah, we
[02:35:34] will keep those laws. And Paul never
[02:35:35] said no. He's talking to Gentiles.
[02:35:39] So, the whole thing about like uh
[02:35:41] removing uh what's it called? Jews or or
[02:35:44] what's it called? Uh
[02:35:45] Galatians 2, Galatians 5.
[02:35:46] So, why did why did he circumcise
[02:35:48] Timothy?
[02:35:49] Because he's Jewish. That's Acts. Yeah.
[02:35:51] Actually, that's because he's Greek. His
[02:35:52] father's Greek.
[02:35:53] It says mother's Jewish. Acts 16 1-3.
[02:35:55] Open it up.
[02:35:56] No, I'll take your word for it. It says
[02:35:58] because his mother was Jewish, he got
[02:35:59] circumcised. But in Galatians 2 verse
[02:36:00] three, Titus who was a Greek had no
[02:36:02] Jewish blood. He refused to get
[02:36:04] circumcised.
[02:36:05] Interesting. Okay. Good stuff. So where
[02:36:06] did all the rumors come from that James
[02:36:08] had to clarify?
[02:36:08] I don't know. You're asking me? I don't
[02:36:10] know. [laughter] No. So that's the cont.
[02:36:12] So Acts does not support that Paul was
[02:36:16] lawless because they all agree we follow
[02:36:18] the law of Christ. But the law of
[02:36:20] Christ, remember this goes back to why I
[02:36:21] said I don't have a problem with
[02:36:22] abrogation. Now you're going to see why
[02:36:24] I'm consistent. Just like I was telling
[02:36:27] you that Muhe means
[02:36:30] you the Quran is your Sharia. So if the
[02:36:33] Quran tells you get circumcised, which
[02:36:35] was the Sharia of MSA, you get
[02:36:36] circumcised. But if the Quran tells you
[02:36:38] you don't keep Sabbath, then you're
[02:36:40] free. That's what we believe. If we're
[02:36:43] informed Christians, if you have a
[02:36:45] Christian who knows his dean, if he I'm
[02:36:49] not trying to attack anybody. I'm just
[02:36:50] saying. I don't know.
[02:36:51] I guess. So if he knows his dean, he's
[02:36:54] going to tell you, "Yes,
[02:36:56] the law of Moses we follow in so far
[02:36:58] that Jesus tells us this is what you
[02:37:00] follow." Or his disciples said, "This is
[02:37:01] what you follow." But when they say
[02:37:03] you're freed from that, we don't follow
[02:37:05] it. For example, even with dietary
[02:37:06] restrictions in the law Moses, you
[02:37:08] couldn't eat camel and you couldn't
[02:37:10] sacrifice camel. In your Sharia, you
[02:37:11] can.
[02:37:12] Okay?
[02:37:13] So we don't say that's not an argument.
[02:37:14] I don't use that against Muslims. I
[02:37:16] don't say, "Oh, you see?" No, because
[02:37:17] then I'd be inconsistent. You get it?
[02:37:20] Well, you you were earlier saying that
[02:37:22] any if if uh the Quran is saying that's
[02:37:25] being affirmed by the previous prophets
[02:37:28] and they disagree with those previous
[02:37:30] prophets in any way, then we're going to
[02:37:31] throw it throw throw throw it out.
[02:37:33] The theology. No, I was talking about
[02:37:35] the theology taught by those prophets,
[02:37:38] not the Sharia and diets. That wasn't my
[02:37:41] point. What I was saying is if I read
[02:37:43] the Quran and it has a different view of
[02:37:45] what the Bible says about God and his
[02:37:47] nature of Christ, that's when we say,
[02:37:49] "Sorry, we can't follow you."
[02:37:51] Well, okay. Well, then I think I'm on
[02:37:52] solid ground because I think, you know,
[02:37:54] the Jews would do the same thing with
[02:37:55] you guys. So,
[02:37:55] yeah, I know that.
[02:37:56] Yeah.
[02:37:56] I told you we have a dilemma. So, what
[02:37:58] we got to do for the Jews? Yeah.
[02:37:59] As a Christian, you know what we do? I
[02:38:01] can't say, "Hey, your Torah is corrupt
[02:38:03] cuz he's going to nail me." You know,
[02:38:04] he's going to nail me.
[02:38:05] No, no. I'm talking about I'm talking
[02:38:06] about I'm talking about creed. So the
[02:38:08] Jews are going to look at us and be
[02:38:09] like, "Thank you Muslims for at least
[02:38:11] holding on to Monis properly." So if if
[02:38:13] you're going to say it's restricted to
[02:38:14] to to then I would say that we're we're
[02:38:16] chilling. Uh
[02:38:17] no. Yeah. [laughter] So my my point with
[02:38:19] the Jews,
[02:38:19] you're in some hot water.
[02:38:20] No, I know that. I know the Jews and
[02:38:22] this is a fact for you don't know. They
[02:38:24] have a concept called aod. Christians
[02:38:27] are considered idolatrous, but Muslims
[02:38:28] consider worship same God. I know this.
[02:38:30] So they they I saw a beautiful clip of a
[02:38:32] bunch of Jews. You're happy, huh?
[02:38:33] What's up? [laughter]
[02:38:35] What happened? Huh? You're huh? So, how
[02:38:37] come you can't tell? You can't be
[02:38:38] naughty. I'm just kidding.
[02:38:40] Okay. Okay. You know what? I could I was
[02:38:41] about to
[02:38:42] talk. No, no. Talk.
[02:38:43] I was about to go further, but I really
[02:38:44] want to go to the assignment dilemma.
[02:38:45] Okay.
[02:38:45] Give me your So, you talked about what's
[02:38:47] it called? Uh 355 and you talk about
[02:38:50] 6114 and we dealt I I've given my answer
[02:38:53] and whatever. Whoever feels that that's
[02:38:55] uh good or not, that's fine. Let's go to
[02:38:56] another one.
[02:38:57] Okay. You want me to skip that? You
[02:38:58] don't want me to address it more fully?
[02:39:00] Well, I mean, it was brief. That's up to
[02:39:01] you, man.
[02:39:02] Please tell me I'm not skipping it right
[02:39:04] now. It's not skipping it but to
[02:39:05] elaborate but if you want I'll go
[02:39:06] somewhere else. It's up to you.
[02:39:07] I genuinely thought you elaborated very
[02:39:09] well and I thought I'll respect that.
[02:39:11] All right. We'll do that. Okay. Other
[02:39:12] passages beside [clears throat]
[02:39:13] that one. Okay. We can skip that because
[02:39:15] you said Paul was lawless. Yeah. One
[02:39:17] nonetheless not a corny. Yeah.
[02:39:18] Uh uh uh. Okay. I I don't want I don't
[02:39:21] want to keep going. I made my case and
[02:39:23] inshallah people online can can figure
[02:39:24] out if there is some sort of a theology
[02:39:26] of Jesus and the theology of Paul if
[02:39:28] there's some differences there. I know
[02:39:29] that Muslims make a big case about this
[02:39:30] and I think that people can do their own
[02:39:32] research. Let's go for the next one. the
[02:39:33] other verses you you you're familiar
[02:39:35] with them. It's all going to be in surah
[02:39:37] bakra, but we're not going to read all
[02:39:39] of them.
[02:39:39] Well, we can unless you want to.
[02:39:40] I can do a bunch.
[02:39:41] Okay. I'm happy. Do you want to Well, we
[02:39:42] can go to bakra 240 to 44 or
[02:39:45] nicely done.
[02:39:46] We can go to surah bakra ay 89. Which
[02:39:49] one do you want to start with?
[02:39:50] Uh I think you mean Oh. Oh, yeah. 89.
[02:39:52] Yeah, we can do all of them. Okay, let's
[02:39:53] go for
[02:39:54] because 40 to 44 is a little lengthy
[02:39:56] because your time is running out, too.
[02:39:57] So, you want
[02:39:57] No, I'll make this I'll make this quick.
[02:39:58] Uh
[02:39:59] Bakr 2 verse 89. No, no, you said 40 to
[02:40:03] you.
[02:40:03] Oh, but you want to read that lengthy
[02:40:04] one? That's fine. 40 to 44.
[02:40:06] Yes, of course, man. That's what I'm
[02:40:07] here for.
[02:40:07] No, it's up to you because I didn't.
[02:40:10] Uh, oh children of Israel, remember my
[02:40:12] favor which I have bestowed upon you and
[02:40:13] fulfill my covenant upon you that I will
[02:40:15] fulfill your covenant from me and be
[02:40:18] afraid of uh only me of me only. Okay,
[02:40:20] then. So, that's pretty straightforward.
[02:40:22] That doesn't Okay, now this is the this
[02:40:24] is the one that you want.
[02:40:24] Yes. Yeah.
[02:40:28] and believe in what I have sent down
[02:40:30] confirming that which is already with
[02:40:33] you
[02:40:35] mentioned three times in the Quran. Now
[02:40:37] uh uh this answer that I'm giving is the
[02:40:39] same answer that I would give for 447
[02:40:41] for 447 not for the uh 381 because we've
[02:40:43] already talked about that
[02:40:45] because 289 says the same thing at all
[02:40:46] these 289 91 97 101 they so this is
[02:40:51] [clears throat] and the three that
[02:40:52] you're mentioning is
[02:40:54] so 89 91 101 those are different I got
[02:40:56] them all ready that's right that's what
[02:40:58] I wanted to do to be honest okay let's
[02:40:59] go so this is pretty straightforward
[02:41:01] stuff
[02:41:02] and believe in what I have sent down
[02:41:05] that is confirming what is with you.
[02:41:08] Yep.
[02:41:09] Okay.
[02:41:09] That's right. Yeah.
[02:41:10] So, is this a reference to the entirety
[02:41:13] of what Allah is sending down? No. There
[02:41:14] could be that Allah is sending down some
[02:41:16] revelation that disagrees with you. It
[02:41:18] could be sometimes Allah is sending
[02:41:19] revelation that agrees with what you
[02:41:21] have and Allah is saying. So, the word
[02:41:23] is it's a so anything that I send down
[02:41:27] that is in the state of agreeing with
[02:41:29] what you already believe, don't throw it
[02:41:32] under the bus because it's in your own
[02:41:33] belief system. So, let's give a simple
[02:41:35] example. I'm very happy that I think
[02:41:36] you're gonna agree with me on this one.
[02:41:37] Okay, let's see.
[02:41:38] So, is it the case that there are
[02:41:40] Christians that say, "I can't believe in
[02:41:42] Mohammad because Mohammad went to war
[02:41:45] and Jesus never went to war." I know
[02:41:47] you're educated men. You would say to
[02:41:48] them, you would say to them, "Uh, excuse
[02:41:50] me. You just threw every single prophet
[02:41:52] under the bus cuz clearly prophets go to
[02:41:54] war." That's a bad argument, right? So,
[02:41:56] Christians do this all the time. They do
[02:41:57] this with polygamy, right? It's in your
[02:41:59] book. It talks about polygamy saying if
[02:42:00] you want to be a marry a second make
[02:42:03] sure you treat the first one with get
[02:42:04] give her her clothes give her her her
[02:42:06] food. This is in the Bible. Christians
[02:42:08] throw this stuff under the bus
[02:42:09] regularly. Meanwhile, why to attack
[02:42:12] Islam? So this verse is saying
[02:42:15] don't be the first one to reject what's
[02:42:16] in your own book. This is not a
[02:42:19] confirmation of everything that is with
[02:42:20] them. This is a confirmation of saying
[02:42:22] what? When you have a belief system and
[02:42:24] you see that a prophet is receiving this
[02:42:26] revelation, he's like, "I'm gonna reject
[02:42:27] this prophet and I'm gonna attack those
[02:42:29] ideas." That's in your own book.
[02:42:31] Yeah.
[02:42:31] Go ahead.
[02:42:32] Well, I know, but like I said,
[02:42:34] we both are going to accuse the other of
[02:42:36] reading into it. You said all that.
[02:42:39] Yes.
[02:42:39] But if you look at 41, it didn't say
[02:42:41] anything you said.
[02:42:43] No, [laughter] because we didn't finish
[02:42:44] the 44. I'm going to get there.
[02:42:47] Because it says confirming with you, it
[02:42:49] didn't qualify it the way you did. But
[02:42:52] would you like me to show you from I can
[02:42:53] like show you Arabic grammar. I'm not
[02:42:55] I'm not going into we've we've also
[02:42:58] dissected it. I understand
[02:42:59] the word ma means what? Yes. Okay. And
[02:43:01] so believe in what I have revealed. What
[02:43:04] I have revealed that is what I have
[02:43:07] revealed that is confirming with what
[02:43:08] you have.
[02:43:09] Yeah. What they have exactly.
[02:43:11] So that means if God sends a verse of
[02:43:13] Quran to his prophet and that says give
[02:43:16] charity, is that confirming what you
[02:43:17] have? Of course it is. Right. So, it' be
[02:43:19] kind of weird if you say, "Why are you
[02:43:20] giving that guy charity, man? You're
[02:43:21] wasting your money." I'd say, "Brother,
[02:43:23] don't you have a book that says you
[02:43:24] should give charity?" Oh, you're
[02:43:26] confirming everything in my book. I
[02:43:27] didn't say I'm confirming everything.
[02:43:28] God is saying when God sends you
[02:43:30] revelation and in it what of what he I
[02:43:35] send that is confirming in the had in
[02:43:37] the state of confirming what is with
[02:43:38] you, don't be the first to disbelieve in
[02:43:40] it. Please.
[02:43:41] Again, I appreciate you gave me an
[02:43:43] example. Had the Quran given such an
[02:43:45] example, then you could have made your
[02:43:46] case. No, no, no. Yeah, I know. I I love
[02:43:48] you. I swear we're at peace right now.
[02:43:50] You filled my heart with [laughter] so
[02:43:51] much love and joy,
[02:43:53] honestly. Okay. It didn't make the
[02:43:55] qualification you did. It says
[02:43:56] confirming what is with you. No
[02:43:59] qualification like you did.
[02:44:01] You qualified it. You said, see, if I
[02:44:03] say, brother, give charity. And I say,
[02:44:06] why should I? Well, here isn't it in
[02:44:07] your book. And I agree. The Quran didn't
[02:44:10] make that qualification. In point of
[02:44:11] fact, well, I'll get there. I promise
[02:44:13] you. Read all the way to 44. You stop at
[02:44:16] 41. Read 42.4. 43.
[02:44:17] Let's go to 42. I've heard I've seen
[02:44:19] your response to this. Let's go. 42.
[02:44:23] [clears throat] Do not mix truth with
[02:44:24] falsehood or conceal the truth while you
[02:44:26] know it. What is your point there?
[02:44:26] Okay. Well, keep reading on 44. I'll
[02:44:28] give you a point here. I I have a
[02:44:30] response. I want to hear also you drop
[02:44:32] because you teach the book, right? You
[02:44:33] read the book.
[02:44:34] Okay. Okay. Well, anyway. Okay. We'll
[02:44:36] drop that one. But I have a good
[02:44:37] response. Okay.
[02:44:38] I know you have a response stuff, man.
[02:44:39] I man hopefully, bro. Shoot. Then all of
[02:44:42] you will come to my church then. I don't
[02:44:43] want see but you're
[02:44:44] okay you want you want to drop that
[02:44:46] but anyway coming back. No. No. Okay.
[02:44:47] Well, well, that that one that that
[02:44:48] one's an easy one, but you're not you
[02:44:49] don't want to make
[02:44:50] The question is it says, "Though you are
[02:44:52] a reader of the book, 44, right?"
[02:44:54] We'll go to 44.
[02:44:56] No, but I want to tie in with what you
[02:44:57] said. You have the truth. Don't conceal
[02:44:59] it.
[02:44:59] Can I Can I read 44?
[02:45:00] Go ahead. Yeah.
[02:45:01] Because you mentioned it.
[02:45:02] Uh, do you order righteousness of the
[02:45:03] people and forget yourselves while you
[02:45:05] recite the scripture? Then will you not
[02:45:07] reason? Excellent. What?
[02:45:08] So, they have the truth,
[02:45:10] right?
[02:45:11] Don't mix it with falsehood.
[02:45:12] Perfect.
[02:45:13] The scripture. So in the context
[02:45:15] confirming what what is with them.
[02:45:17] Okay. So now thank you. You did make the
[02:45:19] case. There you go. So verse 42 says
[02:45:20] what
[02:45:22] I understand your point. You're saying
[02:45:24] when you say don't mix truth with
[02:45:25] falsehood that's a confirmation that
[02:45:27] they have the entirety of the truth. Now
[02:45:30] allow me to show you why that's not a
[02:45:31] very sound argument. The reason it's not
[02:45:33] a sound argument is because I could be
[02:45:34] talking to an atheist who has no
[02:45:36] scripture, nothing. And he could be a
[02:45:40] what's it called? a dishonest engage
[02:45:41] with me in a you know bad faith bad
[02:45:42] faith conversation right
[02:45:44] interlocking
[02:45:44] so when that person is speaking in bad
[02:45:46] faith and kind of twisting things and
[02:45:47] dodging things just whatever right I
[02:45:49] could say bro stop twisting truth with
[02:45:51] falsehood
[02:45:52] imagine if he turned around and and then
[02:45:54] said to me ah you agree I have access to
[02:45:56] all truth don't you I'd be like buddy
[02:45:57] that is such a stretch so that's it no
[02:45:59] you want to move to the next one
[02:46:00] no let me now address you because number
[02:46:02] one you again gave an example
[02:46:04] in order to explain what you think the
[02:46:07] verse doesn't mean but the passage
[02:46:08] didn't say what you
[02:46:10] If you read it, confirm what is with
[02:46:12] you. No qualification. Number one, I'm
[02:46:15] just let
[02:46:18] Arabic knows what I'm talking about.
[02:46:19] Okay. But even was used in 546.
[02:46:24] It's used in 548. It's used in chapter
[02:46:28] 3:3. It's used the same.
[02:46:29] Let's stick let's take this.
[02:46:30] Okay. That's because you keep
[02:46:31] mentioning.
[02:46:33] Okay. Go ahead.
[02:46:34] Yeah. But we get because it's also used
[02:46:35] of Isa in the Quran which we spent two
[02:46:37] hours ago. But now coming back here.
[02:46:38] Yeah. It says confirming what is with
[02:46:41] you. So the question is what is with
[02:46:44] them? We didn't establish that yet.
[02:46:45] That's why I say look at 44. What is
[02:46:48] with them? The scripture. So the
[02:46:51] contextual reading if I read it in
[02:46:53] context.
[02:46:55] It's saying this Quran confirms what's
[02:46:57] with you meaning your scripture. So the
[02:46:59] first point I'm trying to establish is I
[02:47:02] have to know the identity of the
[02:47:03] scripture at the time of Muhammad before
[02:47:06] I can move to the second point. So, what
[02:47:08] was the scripture that the Quran
[02:47:09] confirmed?
[02:47:10] May I respond?
[02:47:11] Good stuff. Thank you. So, I'm going to
[02:47:14] I'm going to answer you. So, God says,
[02:47:15] "Do you guys command to goodness?"
[02:47:17] Just to be clear, you agree, I agree. I
[02:47:19] think we both agree that goodness is
[02:47:21] something that is innate in the soul,
[02:47:22] right?
[02:47:22] So, whether you're born in this family
[02:47:24] or that family, there's certain good
[02:47:25] things, you know, not to like, I don't
[02:47:26] know, torture animals or something. You
[02:47:27] know how charity is good, truth is good,
[02:47:29] things like this, right?
[02:47:29] Yes.
[02:47:30] So, yes, decency and goodness is a
[02:47:33] universal. Now it's saying, "Do you
[02:47:34] order righteousness of the people and
[02:47:36] forget yourselves while you recite the
[02:47:38] scripture?" Yep.
[02:47:38] Now you're saying, "Look, it's very
[02:47:40] obviously saying that you have to accept
[02:47:42] the entirety of the scripture." Right?
[02:47:44] Now, let's imagine, hey, we got Mormons
[02:47:46] with us, right? We got some. Okay. So,
[02:47:48] to the Mormons,
[02:47:48] let's say mean you both don't believe in
[02:47:50] their book. Right?
[02:47:51] Couldn't I make the case? Couldn't I
[02:47:52] make the statement to a Mormon? He gets
[02:47:54] up on what what's their day of the week?
[02:47:56] What's the What's their speech day?
[02:47:57] Seventh. Seventh.
[02:47:58] What is it?
[02:47:59] Is it Saturday or Sunday? Sunday.
[02:48:00] Sunday. So, I'm sorry. I literally don't
[02:48:02] know. It's very embarrassing. I
[02:48:03] apologize. So on Sunday,
[02:48:05] uh let's say he gets up Mormon preacher
[02:48:07] and he preaches charity or any other any
[02:48:10] other decency or goodness,
[02:48:11] right? And I say to this guy, do you
[02:48:13] seriously command your congregation to
[02:48:15] be righteous and forget about yourself
[02:48:18] while you read the scripture? This could
[02:48:19] be a reference to Mormon scripture.
[02:48:22] Don't you use your reason? Now imagine
[02:48:23] if he turns around to me and says, "Ah,
[02:48:25] you just confirmed my entire scripture.
[02:48:26] So you're a Mormon, then
[02:48:28] come on."
[02:48:28] No. Then he would, if [clears throat] he
[02:48:30] said that, then I'd then have to then
[02:48:32] explain and qualify. No, that's not what
[02:48:34] I mean. The qualification you're giving
[02:48:36] me, it's not in the verses. That's is my
[02:48:38] point I'm trying to get at. Don't nod
[02:48:40] your head, bro. You're showing your
[02:48:41] bias. [laughter]
[02:48:42] I caught that. You see, that's Yeah.
[02:48:44] Don't nod your head, bro.
[02:48:45] I'm telling you, inshallah. Inshallah, I
[02:48:48] think there's an honesty with you. And
[02:48:49] inshallah, Allah, guides our hearts.
[02:48:50] Honestly, I'm being honest.
[02:48:52] Listen, don't be offended. We think
[02:48:53] Christianity is true. So, we pray for
[02:48:54] all of you. Is that okay? Because we
[02:48:55] think so. You're not going to be
[02:48:56] offended. Not trying to be mean, but I
[02:48:58] with with certain other people who I
[02:48:59] don't have to mention, I definitely
[02:49:00] didn't get that impression at all.
[02:49:01] But my point, [laughter]
[02:49:02] I'm just being honest. You
[02:49:04] even though I got the worst reputation
[02:49:05] of all the apologists, I'm the one.
[02:49:07] Right.
[02:49:07] So, I think I think
[02:49:08] is that what I
[02:49:09] love this guy. Abd Rahman, I love you,
[02:49:11] man.
[02:49:11] I think the temper I think the temper
[02:49:12] comes out and that's fine. That's one
[02:49:14] thing. But,
[02:49:14] I was born angry, bro. I came out of my
[02:49:16] mother's stomach angry, bro.
[02:49:17] Thank you for being an honest guy.
[02:49:18] You know what? You know, the last time I
[02:49:20] was 120 pounds, I was a month old.
[02:49:22] Yeah. I came out 120 lbs. I've been
[02:49:25] struggling with wait, bro. Shoot. But
[02:49:27] anyway, coming back time. You got 15
[02:49:29] minutes.
[02:49:30] The [clears throat] qualification you're
[02:49:31] making,
[02:49:33] that's how I know you're not going to
[02:49:34] confirm the Book of Mormon. If a guy
[02:49:36] says, "Oh, so you're saying my scriptur
[02:49:38] is truth." No, no, no, no. I'm saying
[02:49:41] what you quoted from that part of
[02:49:42] scripture is true. That qualification is
[02:49:45] necessary in order for you to show to
[02:49:48] the Mormon. You don't mean you confirm
[02:49:50] the entire book. So what I'm coming back
[02:49:53] here is showing you that in the verses
[02:49:55] that we're citing that qualification is
[02:49:58] not there.
[02:49:58] Well, that's why I went through each of
[02:49:59] them.
[02:49:59] Yeah, but it's there even in 289 to
[02:50:02] where it doesn't talk about.
[02:50:03] Let's go. Thank you. Let's go. Let's go
[02:50:04] to the next one. So we're
[02:50:06] I want to show you also verses where the
[02:50:08] word sodak is used. I want to ask for
[02:50:09] your interpretation, but go to 289.
[02:50:11] Okay. So we're going to go through three
[02:50:12] of them. It's 289 2911.
[02:50:15] They all say they all say the same
[02:50:18] thing, right? Okay. Perfect.
[02:50:19] Now I'm going to make a case. Go ahead.
[02:50:21] And it's not based on it's just based on
[02:50:22] the actual context. Let's let's let's
[02:50:24] bring it up. So let's start with 279.
[02:50:28] God in the Quran. Yeah. Hold on one
[02:50:29] second. So God says in the Quran that
[02:50:31] they changed the word with their they
[02:50:32] changed the scripture. Excuse me. They
[02:50:33] changed a scripture.
[02:50:34] Wrote a book with their own hand and
[02:50:35] said it's from what the verse says. It
[02:50:37] says they wrote a book with their own
[02:50:39] hand. Not changed. They wrote a book
[02:50:40] with their own hand. Just want to say
[02:50:42] I'm helping you.
[02:50:43] So So okay, just everybody read it
[02:50:46] yourselves. Yes. Okay. Read it
[02:50:48] yourselves. I am saying and you don't
[02:50:49] have to believe me. I'm saying that 279
[02:50:51] is demonstrating that clearly they mess
[02:50:53] with scripture. This is my
[02:50:54] interpretation. You can agree or
[02:50:55] disagree if you'd like.
[02:50:56] I'm saying that they mess with scripture
[02:50:58] in 279. So therefore, when it comes to
[02:51:00] scripture, we're not fully agreeing or
[02:51:02] fully denying, right? We don't fully
[02:51:04] agree. We don't fully deny. That's
[02:51:06] that's that's being established right
[02:51:07] here. Cool.
[02:51:08] Okay.
[02:51:08] We move a little bit forward. So we're
[02:51:10] now we have a book this your old
[02:51:11] scriptures that we're we're asking
[02:51:13] ourselves how much is true, how much is
[02:51:14] false, we're not sure. Now, in verses 83
[02:51:16] and 84, God describes a mak, a covenant.
[02:51:21] That's right.
[02:51:21] It has five commands and two
[02:51:24] prohibitions. And God says what? That in
[02:51:26] this m I'd love for you guys to pull it
[02:51:28] up so you can see. In this covenant, and
[02:51:30] I can read you what the covenant is.
[02:51:31] Yeah.
[02:51:31] In this covenant, this is what was
[02:51:33] authentic from the past prophets.
[02:51:35] And now, what's beautiful is that now
[02:51:37] when you move on to 89, 91, and 101,
[02:51:42] when it says confirming what is with
[02:51:44] you, what is this? What is it? The
[02:51:45] entirety of the scripture? Well, no, cuz
[02:51:46] we just said 79. You can't trust all of
[02:51:48] it. Is it just contextually right
[02:51:51] before? Is it this basic covenant of
[02:51:54] what makes a decent believer? Yes. And
[02:51:56] this is exactly the point that God is
[02:51:57] saying, I sent you a messenger. And he
[02:51:59] confirms the covenant that not only was
[02:52:01] sent to you in the past, but you have it
[02:52:03] with you now. And I just described it.
[02:52:06] And yet you still do what? Verse 89, you
[02:52:08] still disbelieve in it. Verse 91, you
[02:52:10] still disbelieve. So you know it's the
[02:52:12] truth. and verse 101, you throw it
[02:52:14] behind your backs. Do the Jews and
[02:52:15] Christians do that with this covenant? I
[02:52:17] would say point number one of the
[02:52:18] covenant is monotheism. Yes.
[02:52:20] Unfortunately, it's all over your book.
[02:52:21] It's all over my book and you're still
[02:52:22] trinitarian, which is heartbreaking.
[02:52:24] Then hold on.
[02:52:26] When it comes to the Jews, when it comes
[02:52:28] to the Jews, yeah,
[02:52:29] it mentions in the last two in verses in
[02:52:31] verse 84, it talks about what? It talks
[02:52:33] about killing people and exiling people.
[02:52:34] And God confirms in the very next verse
[02:52:36] 85 that they do kill and exile people.
[02:52:38] They have done that. And as you said a
[02:52:40] second ago, turn on the news. What do
[02:52:42] you see? Killing and exiling people
[02:52:43] every day, paid for by the Christian,
[02:52:46] unfortunately. But I know you disagree
[02:52:47] with it. Thank God. So my point is that
[02:52:49] when God So do you see that the
[02:52:51] continuity?
[02:52:51] You know, by the way, you're going to
[02:52:52] get us censored. You know that, right?
[02:52:54] Okay. Uh
[02:52:54] I know. No, I'm saying on on uh we're
[02:52:57] going to get censored if we talk about
[02:52:58] Zionism. You know that, right?
[02:52:59] Speaking the truth, my friend. So I'm
[02:53:02] glad we're on the same page.
[02:53:04] We all We all got to We all got to die
[02:53:05] some. We all
[02:53:06] No, we're gonna get Yeah. [laughter] So
[02:53:08] if you if you don't see this video
[02:53:10] online because you know why because
[02:53:12] we're
[02:53:12] going to keep this, right?
[02:53:13] Yeah. It's being honest, right? Are we
[02:53:14] lying? I'm not doing Yeah.
[02:53:15] Just some of the words.
[02:53:16] Just let you know because when
[02:53:17] you just blank it out. Can't blank out
[02:53:18] that word
[02:53:18] because you're not Yeah. You may get
[02:53:19] censored. I'm just letting you know.
[02:53:20] Please keep it and blank the word.
[02:53:22] Okay. So coming [clears throat] back to
[02:53:23] 279.
[02:53:25] Again, don't take my word for if you
[02:53:26] open up. It says, "Woe to those who
[02:53:28] write the book with their own their own
[02:53:30] hand and say this is from Allah to gain
[02:53:32] a poultry miserable." Yeah. Yeah.
[02:53:34] But if you read the context, number one,
[02:53:36] it talks about a party of them. Not all
[02:53:38] of them. I know the verse. If you look
[02:53:40] at a party of them, but the same Quran
[02:53:42] tells us in
[02:53:44] chapter 3 ayat 11314.
[02:53:48] Not all of them are alike because
[02:53:50] there's a party of them that do what is
[02:53:52] righteous.
[02:53:53] Yeah.
[02:53:53] Okay. So, you took a verse that talks
[02:53:55] about one group at a specific place at a
[02:53:59] specific time. No one denies because
[02:54:02] even the Quran itself talks about the
[02:54:04] Quran being tampered with in the
[02:54:07] lifetime of your prophet.
[02:54:08] But you said it says 279.
[02:54:10] No, no, 279 doesn't say.
[02:54:12] No, read 279 first.
[02:54:13] Yeah. So, woe to those who write the
[02:54:14] scripture with their own hand and say
[02:54:16] this is from Allah in order to exchange
[02:54:17] for it a small price. Woe to them for
[02:54:18] what their hands have written and woe to
[02:54:20] them for what they have earned. Never
[02:54:21] says a party.
[02:54:21] 75 to 79 friend. I know. I thought maybe
[02:54:23] we but you can read 7579. So you can see
[02:54:27] 7579. You see it's a party
[02:54:28] 275 right? That's the context. Starts at
[02:54:30] 75.
[02:54:31] Sure thing. 75. Uh, yes. Do you covet uh
[02:54:35] what part of them you said?
[02:54:36] 75. If you're giving the words of Allah
[02:54:37] and destroy. Yes. This is different
[02:54:38] talking about a different thing.
[02:54:39] But just keep reading.
[02:54:39] Yeah, sure. I'll read it. Do you covet?
[02:54:41] Do you covet the hope believers that
[02:54:44] they would believe for you uh for you?
[02:54:46] Uh yeah. While a party of them used to
[02:54:49] hear the word of Allah and then distort
[02:54:51] the Torah after they had understood it
[02:54:53] while they were knowing. That's
[02:54:54] perfectly fine.
[02:54:54] Well, keep reading. I'm just I agree
[02:54:56] with you.
[02:54:57] Okay. And I'm going to show you from
[02:54:58] 31314.
[02:55:00] Can I just make a quick comment here?
[02:55:02] You do understand that in taps or in the
[02:55:04] scholarly commentary there are some
[02:55:06] scholars that take your position, but
[02:55:07] again there's an avalanche of scholars
[02:55:09] that take my position.
[02:55:10] That's why I'm sticking with the Quran.
[02:55:11] I didn't go to scholars.
[02:55:12] Fair enough.
[02:55:13] Uh so uh uh so we said strike the slain
[02:55:16] man with a party of it. Oh no, sorry.
[02:55:18] Where where
[02:55:19] 7576?
[02:55:21] Um yeah, 74. Uh then your hearts uh
[02:55:25] became hard after that being like stones
[02:55:27] were even harder. Yes, this is talking
[02:55:28] about a hypoc 75 79. You start at 75 76
[02:55:33] 778 79.
[02:55:34] My bad. My bad. My bad. That was my
[02:55:35] fault. Uh and when they meet those who
[02:55:37] believe, they say we have believed. But
[02:55:38] when they are alone with the ones uh
[02:55:40] they uh with with one another. They say,
[02:55:44] "Do you talk to them about what Allah
[02:55:46] has revealed to you so they can argue
[02:55:48] with you about it before your Lord? Then
[02:55:49] will they not reason? But do they not
[02:55:51] know that Allah knows what they can say
[02:55:52] and what they can declare and among uh
[02:55:54] and among them
[02:55:55] among them
[02:55:56] yeah are unlettered ones who do not know
[02:55:58] the scripture except in wishful
[02:56:00] thinking. Yes.
[02:56:01] Okay. So the entire context is not
[02:56:03] talking about all of them.
[02:56:04] Even 79 is connected with a context
[02:56:06] speaking of a group to confirm my
[02:56:08] interpretation using just the Quran.
[02:56:10] So I'm not using taps.
[02:56:11] If you go to chapter 3
[02:56:13] but that doesn't help you at all. If if
[02:56:15] you have a party of people that are
[02:56:17] playing with scripture and another party
[02:56:19] of people that are not playing with
[02:56:20] scripture. So now you have a bunch of
[02:56:21] different scriptures running around. It
[02:56:22] kind of confirms what history tells us
[02:56:24] that that's why there are so many
[02:56:26] different variant texts.
[02:56:28] And so you're saying are you follow like
[02:56:31] you get my point?
[02:56:31] No, I understand what you're saying. But
[02:56:32] that's my point. That's uh no one says
[02:56:35] that no one at any point in history
[02:56:38] hasn't corrupted any text. That's true
[02:56:40] of the Quran. That's true of the Bible.
[02:56:41] The point being
[02:56:44] because you have hundreds of thousands
[02:56:47] of people all over the world with their
[02:56:49] copies, you can detect corruption in
[02:56:51] manuscripts and still restore the
[02:56:53] original. That's how textual criticism
[02:56:57] [clears throat] works across the board.
[02:56:58] It's not just true of the Bible. It's
[02:56:59] true of the Quran. But that's why I want
[02:57:01] to put textual criticism aside. The fact
[02:57:04] that I'm right that it's only a party of
[02:57:06] them. Surah chapter 3 11314 and chapter
[02:57:10] 3 verse 189. Can you read that for me?
[02:57:12] I I I'm I'm Yeah, sure. But do you This
[02:57:16] isn't helping.
[02:57:16] It's going to help if I finish the
[02:57:17] point. [laughter] I'm just
[02:57:19] No, we'll do it. We'll do it. What did
[02:57:20] you say? Three. What?
[02:57:21] 311314.
[02:57:23] Sure.
[02:57:24] Yeah.
[02:57:25] Yeah. They're not all the same. Yeah.
[02:57:26] Yeah. Yeah. So, they are not all the
[02:57:28] same among the people of the scripture
[02:57:29] as a community standing. Read it out
[02:57:31] loud. They are not all the same among
[02:57:32] the people of the scripture as a
[02:57:33] community standing in obedience reciting
[02:57:35] the verses of Allah during period during
[02:57:36] periods of the night and prospering.
[02:57:37] Yes, there are sincere Christians
[02:57:38] definitely. but that do recite the
[02:57:41] verses the way they're supposed to be
[02:57:42] recited, right?
[02:57:43] Uh
[02:57:47] yes. Yes. Yes.
[02:57:48] And then 3199 confirms it.
[02:57:50] 3199.
[02:57:51] Yes. That they're not all.
[02:57:52] So look, let me let me let me clarify
[02:57:54] this.
[02:57:54] That uh do they recite uh scripture?
[02:57:57] Yes. There's nothing wrong. We do not we
[02:57:59] do not deny.
[02:58:00] But if you finish that, they won't sell
[02:58:01] it. That group in 279 wrote a book so
[02:58:04] they can sell and profit it. Yeah. This
[02:58:06] group would not sell the signs of Allah.
[02:58:08] That's great.
[02:58:09] Yeah. Right.
[02:58:10] So now what we have what we have is a
[02:58:12] long Christian history of people that
[02:58:15] sometimes have scripture and are sincere
[02:58:18] and pray and worship and they try to
[02:58:20] hold on to the truth.
[02:58:21] We acknowledge that.
[02:58:22] And then there's a different group that
[02:58:24] are twisting scripture, adding things.
[02:58:26] And then when you take a look at that
[02:58:28] and contrast it with history, yeah, what
[02:58:30] you have are so many gospels, some of
[02:58:32] which made it into the canon, some of
[02:58:34] which didn't make it into the canon.
[02:58:35] Some copy copiest. I mean, there are
[02:58:37] Bibles that you can literally say, "Oh,
[02:58:38] this one, this one's been edited out.
[02:58:40] This one's been removed. This one we
[02:58:41] agree with. This one we don't agree
[02:58:42] with." Then there's like people talk
[02:58:43] about uh uh what's it called? Oh, no.
[02:58:45] When we look at the ancient, what's it
[02:58:46] called? The uh
[02:58:46] which one?
[02:58:47] I don't know. Maseretic texts and they
[02:58:48] talk and they also talk about what's
[02:58:51] called Exactly. Right. There's so many
[02:58:53] commentary like this is confirming what
[02:58:54] I'm saying that there are sincere
[02:58:55] amongst us. So it's nice that Muslims
[02:58:57] don't paint people with one brush that
[02:58:58] we recognize that there is truth that
[02:59:00] some people hold on to the best they can
[02:59:02] and other people that mess with it and
[02:59:04] unfortunately because of this
[02:59:06] bit of a mishmash throughout history the
[02:59:08] prophet Muhammad came to do what I know
[02:59:10] you don't like it but
[02:59:12] clarify all the distortions
[02:59:13] yeah but again now coming back to the
[02:59:15] issue
[02:59:15] yeah [clears throat]
[02:59:17] you keep reading into the passages what
[02:59:20] you're assuming to be
[02:59:21] I just agreed with you no not you didn't
[02:59:23] agree with me and you saying that oh
[02:59:25] yeah there are corrupt manus manuscripts
[02:59:26] and that's why we don't know what the
[02:59:27] original Bible says. That's not the
[02:59:28] argument of the Quran. Nor is that the
[02:59:30] argument of textual criticism. That's
[02:59:32] why I'm trying to establish a point. I'm
[02:59:33] letting you talk so you don't think I'm
[02:59:35] cutting you off. If I read the Quran as
[02:59:37] a whole in context, there's only one
[02:59:40] specific group that's tampering with the
[02:59:42] scriptures. But the rest because even in
[02:59:44] 27579,
[02:59:47] who is the audience? Who are these
[02:59:49] people that heard the word of Allah and
[02:59:50] twisted it? We're talking Bakar is Ben
[02:59:53] Israel is
[02:59:54] so not so at best what you're telling me
[02:59:57] is there's Jews who are corrupting the
[02:59:59] scriptures but those same scriptures are
[03:00:01] in the pres presence of Christians all
[03:00:03] over the world they won't change the
[03:00:05] scriptures to agree with the Jews so you
[03:00:07] haven't proven that the Quran is saying
[03:00:08] this isn't giving the time period you
[03:00:10] you keep on restricting it to a very
[03:00:11] particular time period
[03:00:11] surah it says that they did the same
[03:00:14] thing time of your prophet surah 444 to
[03:00:18] 46
[03:00:20] 246.
[03:00:21] No, not two. Surah Danisa chapter 4.
[03:00:23] I said I meant 44. 246. I got you.
[03:00:26] Read it right there.
[03:00:27] Have you not seen those who were given
[03:00:28] the portion of the scripture purchasing
[03:00:29] errors in exchange wishing and Allah's
[03:00:31] knowing of your enemies? Look.
[03:00:33] Yes.
[03:00:33] Okay. So, it's a time Muhammad, right?
[03:00:35] This one is
[03:00:36] what about Bakra? Because if I go to
[03:00:39] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That
[03:00:40] I'm I'm actually really glad that you
[03:00:42] follow what I'm saying. Thank you very
[03:00:44] much. [clears throat]
[03:00:44] Yes, you did find a spot that is saying
[03:00:46] that people try to mess with scripture
[03:00:48] at a particular time period. That's
[03:00:49] richer. The words that we're hearing
[03:00:50] from your prophet. That's the context of
[03:00:53] 444 to 46. So would you say when they
[03:00:56] heard his words in twist that they were
[03:00:58] corrupting the Quran?
[03:00:59] They were trying to.
[03:01:00] But did they succeed?
[03:01:02] I would say no.
[03:01:02] But were they changing the text or the
[03:01:04] interpretation what they were hearing?
[03:01:06] Either way.
[03:01:06] No, but interpretation. They were trying
[03:01:08] to.
[03:01:09] So all you've established is that there
[03:01:10] were people when they heard the word
[03:01:12] they misinterpreted it and even Yeah,
[03:01:15] I'm getting there. And all if you want
[03:01:16] me to go outside of the Quran, go ahead.
[03:01:17] Now you've made your you made your case
[03:01:18] and I understand it now. Thank you. Now
[03:01:20] I for a second there I was wondering
[03:01:21] where you're going. Now I get your
[03:01:22] point. Yes,
[03:01:23] it's clear. It's good.
[03:01:24] So this is contextual. Previously it was
[03:01:26] not. You're restricting it to a time
[03:01:28] period that's not that's not granted. Go
[03:01:29] ahead.
[03:01:30] I'll go outside of the Quran to tell you
[03:01:31] that they say this was at the time of
[03:01:33] MS.
[03:01:34] So what do you want me to do?
[03:01:36] Because if I go to the commentaries
[03:01:38] they go that surah bakra 275 means at
[03:01:41] the time of MS when they heard it they
[03:01:43] twisted it.
[03:01:43] Sure. But like you just said, because
[03:01:45] I'm following you, just because in surah
[03:01:49] 4:44-46,
[03:01:51] it says they heard the words of your
[03:01:53] prophet and twisted it, that doesn't
[03:01:55] mean they corrupted the text of the
[03:01:57] Quran. They were hearing it orally and
[03:02:00] misinterpreting it. Similarly, according
[03:02:03] to those commentators, because you
[03:02:04] wanted the historical context situated,
[03:02:06] they go that when some of the ban is
[03:02:08] heard Moses,
[03:02:11] you do realize that this doesn't say
[03:02:12] anything about writing with their hands,
[03:02:13] right?
[03:02:13] I know that. I'm going to get
[03:02:14] 444 to 46.
[03:02:16] I'm so you're you're you're trying to
[03:02:18] make a parallel that doesn't really
[03:02:19] There is a parallel because
[03:02:20] there's a parallel in a degree, but it's
[03:02:22] to mess with the scripture, but it
[03:02:23] doesn't actually it doesn't specifically
[03:02:25] say uh uh scribes. Go ahead.
[03:02:27] I love this guy, man. That's why I can't
[03:02:28] be mean, cuz I love this guy. All right.
[03:02:30] That's very sweet of you. We're coming
[03:02:31] coming to Albakra. What I'm trying to is
[03:02:32] I'm following your logic. You admit it
[03:02:35] was the Jews. So yeah, you said it's
[03:02:38] Jews. So we establish it's the Jews.
[03:02:40] It's not every Jew everywhere because
[03:02:43] you admit there's historical context. So
[03:02:45] maybe these Jews were corrupt, but the
[03:02:47] rest of the Jews and all the Christians
[03:02:49] were not corrupt like these Jews. So we
[03:02:51] establish it's still a group. Secondly,
[03:02:54] it is a particular group that's writing
[03:02:56] the book with their hand. And in the
[03:02:58] context, you admit it's the Jews. What
[03:03:00] has that got to do with the scriptures
[03:03:01] in the hands of the Christians that also
[03:03:03] had the Old Testament and New Testament
[03:03:04] and would not fall prey for a book
[03:03:07] concocted by Jews in order to make
[03:03:09] money? How does that prove wholesale
[03:03:11] corruption? That's what the Quran is
[03:03:12] teaching.
[03:03:12] So when when just to be clear when we
[03:03:14] talk about toadam I don't know of Muslim
[03:03:18] when we're talking about the Tawra that
[03:03:20] isam had that Jesus had I don't know
[03:03:22] that Muslims are walking around or
[03:03:23] believing that Isa that Jesus was
[03:03:25] walking around with his own copy version
[03:03:27] something like this. No, but he was
[03:03:28] given and inspired with the Torah,
[03:03:30] meaning the law. That means he knew
[03:03:32] God's law better than anybody,
[03:03:33] completely uncorrupted, completely
[03:03:34] authentic, and could prove it to the
[03:03:36] Pharisees and would argue with the
[03:03:37] Pharisees and would thwart them and beat
[03:03:39] them in argumentation to prove that he
[03:03:41] had the correct perspective,
[03:03:42] understanding, etc.
[03:03:44] You want me to address that?
[03:03:45] So, so, so, so what I'm saying is that
[03:03:48] everything you're saying, and I'm not
[03:03:50] trying to be rude, I'm not really seeing
[03:03:51] how it's helping you because you're
[03:03:53] right. There's
[03:03:54] your head, man. Oh, you're nodding for
[03:03:55] him.
[03:03:55] You're not for me now. Hey, I'll take
[03:03:56] it. I wasn't doing all the time.
[03:03:58] You got a knot for me then. [laughter]
[03:04:00] So, so what I'm saying is that
[03:04:03] we don't have the printing press back
[03:04:04] then. Yes. You have small groups of
[03:04:06] scribes here and there. And so when
[03:04:08] small groups of scribes,
[03:04:09] one party of them is trying to be
[03:04:11] faithful. Other parties are trying to
[03:04:12] mess around. What you're going to have
[03:04:13] is now copies going around that are, you
[03:04:16] know, making issues.
[03:04:17] And so when you have that, there's
[03:04:19] nothing wrong with the Muslim then
[03:04:20] saying that. Yeah. And by the way, this
[03:04:22] is corroborated in history. Again, I I
[03:04:23] don't want to be
[03:04:24] so you can wear I'm just waiting for
[03:04:25] I don't want to be repetitive, but like
[03:04:27] yeah,
[03:04:27] I even talked about the Catholic
[03:04:28] version, Protestant version, etc. And I
[03:04:30] know you're going to say, well, they're
[03:04:31] different uh not necessarily uh writing
[03:04:33] errors, but there are different books
[03:04:34] and this is a big deal. So, what I'm
[03:04:36] trying to say
[03:04:36] I can address that, but your time is
[03:04:38] almost up, but go ahead.
[03:04:39] Oh, snap. Subhan Allah. No, but I want
[03:04:40] to address that.
[03:04:41] Thank you very much, by the way. This
[03:04:42] has been great. Uh but yes, I do hope
[03:04:44] that you uh see my point that you're
[03:04:47] you're trying to
[03:04:48] We have to be honest. We can't pretend
[03:04:50] we know everything that was happening.
[03:04:52] Like, no, no, I know 2,000 years ago. I
[03:04:54] knew I knew all the copious by name and
[03:04:56] I know the group that was bad and how
[03:04:57] they lost their perver their perverted
[03:04:59] version and I know the good ones and how
[03:05:01] they were. We don't know any of this
[03:05:02] stuff, right? So, it's a little bit of a
[03:05:04] stretch. I think I am am in a much safer
[03:05:06] position to say look since we're things
[03:05:08] are ambiguous and things have come to us
[03:05:10] from the past
[03:05:10] and that there's a lot of textual
[03:05:12] variance and issues and people are not
[03:05:14] sure what books to include, what books
[03:05:15] to not include when God describes some
[03:05:17] people being faithful, some people being
[03:05:18] unfaithful to the scripture. Yeah. Yeah.
[03:05:20] It seems perfectly in line. Go ahead.
[03:05:22] Okay. To say that Jesus learned the
[03:05:24] Torah so that [clears throat] he had the
[03:05:26] correct understanding but not
[03:05:27] necessarily the scriptures at that time.
[03:05:30] That's why we spent
[03:05:31] I'm sorry. You said that we've been for
[03:05:33] a long time. My brain. Yeah. Go ahead.
[03:05:35] The Torah that Jesus confirmed was what
[03:05:36] was taught to him.
[03:05:39] Revelation. Yes.
[03:05:41] Not so much the scriptures, but he had
[03:05:43] the Torah because it was inspired to him
[03:05:45] and he could tell the Jews this is what
[03:05:46] it means.
[03:05:47] Yes.
[03:05:47] The problem [clears throat] with your
[03:05:48] interpretation, we spent two hours on
[03:05:50] it. That's why we we keep spinning
[03:05:52] wheels. But it's fine because we you
[03:05:54] know in that that statement in surah al
[03:05:57] maida 543 to 48.
[03:06:00] The Torah that Jesus confirms is in the
[03:06:02] context of exorting the Jews at the time
[03:06:04] Muhammad. See this Torah you have that
[03:06:07] Torah Jesus confirmed. In other words,
[03:06:10] it's not simply what Allah revealed to
[03:06:12] Jesus.
[03:06:12] I'm sorry to say I think you're kind of
[03:06:13] reading.
[03:06:13] Well, let me let me cut you off. No, but
[03:06:15] actually that's a contextual meaning.
[03:06:16] Anyone can read it because that's the
[03:06:17] context. Why do you Jews come to
[03:06:21] Muhammad when you have the Torah? And
[03:06:22] then it says, "The prophets judged by
[03:06:24] it. Jesus also confirmed it." It makes
[03:06:27] no sense in that context to tell the
[03:06:30] Jews, "Look, Jesus confirmed this Torah,
[03:06:34] the Torah I'm telling you to judge by,
[03:06:36] if it's not simply [clears throat] what
[03:06:39] you're saying, what he was inspired to
[03:06:41] know, as opposed to confirming their
[03:06:44] copies."
[03:06:44] So, can I clarify this? So yeah, we're
[03:06:47] going to have to close. But basically,
[03:06:48] the reason why I would say my position
[03:06:50] is actually strong is because of uh 350
[03:06:53] where Allah does talk about Jesus having
[03:06:55] the same dual function when he says
[03:07:03] exactly
[03:07:04] right. Exactly. So we have come
[03:07:06] confirming what was before me,
[03:07:09] what was before me of the Torah. So I'm
[03:07:10] confirming that and to make lawful for
[03:07:12] you some of what was forbidden to you.
[03:07:14] But it goes back to the original
[03:07:15] argument. So it doesn't say that that
[03:07:17] Allah forbid for them. It's just this
[03:07:19] was forbidden for you. So it's using the
[03:07:21] maj it's using the the the the passive
[03:07:23] in order to say that look
[03:07:25] was this forbidden by God or was this
[03:07:27] forbidden because of tradition. So
[03:07:29] basically what's saying that there has
[03:07:31] been some kind of distortion that has
[03:07:32] been made. Jesus came to affirm what is
[03:07:34] right
[03:07:35] and clarify what is wrong. So when you
[03:07:37] see that Jesus had that function with
[03:07:39] the Israelites, it's fair to say that
[03:07:41] the prophet Muhammad had that same and
[03:07:43] this is the whole concept of prophets
[03:07:45] coming. If everybody has the truth and
[03:07:46] everything's fine, you don't need new
[03:07:47] prophets. The whole concept of God
[03:07:49] sending new prophets is that yes, some
[03:07:51] of the truth may have come across but
[03:07:52] you guys are messing around too much and
[03:07:54] this is a beautiful consistency that we
[03:07:56] see. But go ahead.
[03:07:57] Okay. Now coming back to your issue if I
[03:07:58] take the interpretation it's tradition
[03:08:01] that still doesn't mean this the
[03:08:03] [clears throat] text is corrupt.
[03:08:04] Tradition is one thing the text is
[03:08:05] another. So I'm going with your
[03:08:06] interpretation.
[03:08:07] No, that's not my inter my
[03:08:08] interpretation. My interpretation is
[03:08:09] that there there's range of meaning here
[03:08:10] that they could have
[03:08:11] I'm going to take all of it.
[03:08:12] Perfect. Cuz they could have definitely
[03:08:14] messed with the text. Okay. What? Number
[03:08:15] one, we go with what you said.
[03:08:17] Sure.
[03:08:17] If it's making lawful what their
[03:08:19] tradition made unlawful,
[03:08:21] that has nothing to do with the text.
[03:08:22] But if it's making lawful
[03:08:25] what Allah made unlawful, that doesn't
[03:08:27] mean
[03:08:27] No, no, no. Say the second. That's what
[03:08:29] you said.
[03:08:29] The second the second one would be it's
[03:08:31] making lawful what they had made made
[03:08:33] what they messed up with the text.
[03:08:34] But you said I'm going I'm listening
[03:08:35] very carefully. You said maybe I'm not.
[03:08:37] Sorry.
[03:08:38] You said it's passive. It can mean what
[03:08:39] Allah made unlawful or tradition.
[03:08:43] That's what you said.
[03:08:44] Sorry, I think you might have missed me.
[03:08:46] It could be that Jesus is clarifying
[03:08:48] their tradition, like what they just
[03:08:50] passed on, like their ideas about the
[03:08:51] text or what they messed with the text.
[03:08:54] Yeah, but it doesn't say mess with the
[03:08:55] text.
[03:08:55] That's my point.
[03:08:56] But I'm going to make the my point for
[03:08:57] you. Just like when the Quran abregates
[03:09:00] the Quran,
[03:09:02] it doesn't mean the text is corrupted,
[03:09:04] right?
[03:09:04] I understand that's one interpretation.
[03:09:06] Yeah, but that's not only my
[03:09:07] interpretation. What I'm trying to get
[03:09:08] at I know you're trying to process. What
[03:09:10] I'm trying to get at, even if you go
[03:09:11] outside, my commentator, whatever you're
[03:09:13] saying,
[03:09:14] you go read the commentaries, don't take
[03:09:16] my word for it. They say
[03:09:18] he was sent what the legislation to free
[03:09:21] his people from the things that Allah
[03:09:23] and the Torah made haram or their
[03:09:26] traditions, but none of them said that's
[03:09:29] because the text was corrupted.
[03:09:30] So, let me I guess we we'll come full
[03:09:32] circle. Thank you for your point. But
[03:09:34] what I'm saying is that alhamdulillah
[03:09:35] what since we see that in the Quran
[03:09:38] Allah does make and I'm going to go back
[03:09:39] to this original point that I should
[03:09:41] have stuck with and I did stick with it
[03:09:42] to a certain degree that there are uh uh
[03:09:44] conscious edits being made we can't
[03:09:47] adjust where time is up so but there are
[03:09:49] conscious edits being made. So it's very
[03:09:51] reasonable to see that when the Jews for
[03:09:53] example they say the hand of Moses it
[03:09:56] came out lepous and then the Quran
[03:09:58] specifically says that his hand came out
[03:10:00] white shining and not lepous clearly
[03:10:04] this is saying what that there was
[03:10:05] somebody messing with the text. So now
[03:10:07] we understand that from now if we say
[03:10:09] okay well if that's true then yeah 279
[03:10:12] all the scholars that affirm my
[03:10:13] perspective they're justified and when
[03:10:15] we're looking at what was it the 350
[03:10:17] it's very fair to say that yes if uh uh
[03:10:21] uh Jews earlier had messed with their
[03:10:23] text and Jesus is clarifying it could be
[03:10:25] just their interpretation or it could be
[03:10:26] the words themselves both are valid hope
[03:10:29] that's clear
[03:10:29] what do you want me to do because the
[03:10:30] time is up
[03:10:31] close you want me to say something all
[03:10:32] right yeah because you brought up
[03:10:33] conscious edits again
[03:10:35] this is again why we talk past each
[03:10:38] other because you're assuming that if
[03:10:39] the Quran says something different from
[03:10:41] what's in the Torah that it's editing
[03:10:42] [clears throat] it as opposed to what
[03:10:45] we're trying to get at. I know you
[03:10:47] believe he's a prophet,
[03:10:48] but since we don't accept him as a
[03:10:50] prophet, when we see this these
[03:10:52] mistakes, then we are saying that's all
[03:10:54] the more reason why we don't follow him.
[03:10:56] Because he's confirming the scriptures,
[03:10:59] not doing conscious edits because he
[03:11:00] never says, "I'm correcting the
[03:11:02] scriptures because you see
[03:11:04] contradictions." You're thinking the
[03:11:06] problems with the Bible. We're saying
[03:11:07] no, that's exactly the dilemma, the
[03:11:09] problems with the Quran. That's why we
[03:11:10] can't follow him.
[03:11:11] Perfect. And the problem with that is
[03:11:13] that the issue the issue the issue with
[03:11:15] that is that
[03:11:16] you're now assuming you're imposing on
[03:11:18] the text. Okay. That
[03:11:19] say
[03:11:20] it agrees with everything in the Bible.
[03:11:21] And you're like, what about here where
[03:11:22] it doesn't? Oh, that was a mistake. He
[03:11:23] meant to agree with the Bible, but he
[03:11:24] actually said the words what
[03:11:26] this hand is. They said lepous. It's
[03:11:30] actually white shining and not lepous.
[03:11:33] Oh, that was a mistake. No, it's a
[03:11:34] conscious edit. So for you to say, well,
[03:11:37] he's agreeing with the whole Bible and
[03:11:38] when he consciously changes it, that's
[03:11:40] his mistake. Like, do you see how like
[03:11:41] this is getting
[03:11:42] there's only a problem with that
[03:11:43] assumption that we're saying conscious
[03:11:44] edit. I know we're going to go over
[03:11:45] there. Number one, apart from the Hebrew
[03:11:48] scriptures, how do you know anything
[03:11:51] about Moses?
[03:11:52] Do you want
[03:11:53] No, because we're going back to because
[03:11:54] not only prior to because prior to
[03:11:57] Muhammad,
[03:11:58] all the prophets that the Quran mentions
[03:12:01] were confirming that Torah that had that
[03:12:03] story, even Jesus. So if you're saying
[03:12:06] this is a conscience edit, that means
[03:12:08] according to you, if I follow your
[03:12:09] logic, God allowed all the prophets and
[03:12:12] Jesus to confirm his hand was lepous
[03:12:15] knowing it's a mistake, didn't correct
[03:12:17] them or tell them to correct it until
[03:12:19] Muhammad came. That's your dilemma. No,
[03:12:21] I would say to in response with that
[03:12:22] that Jesus at the end of uh what's it
[03:12:24] called the end of John even?
[03:12:25] Oh, even John. Yeah, even at the end of
[03:12:26] John.
[03:12:26] But I thought it's a biography. I'm
[03:12:28] telling you. I'm telling you. Even I
[03:12:29] thought it's a biography. Listen, not
[03:12:31] every time I quote something means
[03:12:32] that's my whole belief system. It's I'm
[03:12:33] saying according to you.
[03:12:34] And at the end of John, it says that he
[03:12:36] had done so many things. If we were to
[03:12:38] fill up all the what he did, it would
[03:12:39] fill up the whole world. Right? So from
[03:12:41] this perspective, is it possible that
[03:12:43] there were instances where he made
[03:12:44] corrections and explanations and things
[03:12:45] like this? So this is my point that
[03:12:47] but no, I can't tell you why. Because
[03:12:49] the same John John 5:45-47 John 5:39-4
[03:12:53] he says you diligently study scriptures
[03:12:55] thinking by them you have eternal life
[03:12:56] but these are the scriptures that bear
[03:12:58] witness of me but you refuse to come to
[03:13:00] me that I may give you life do not think
[03:13:02] I'll accuse you before the father
[03:13:03] there's one who's your accuser Moses
[03:13:05] because if you believe Moses you'd
[03:13:07] believe me because he wrote about me
[03:13:08] nothing about corruption
[03:13:10] amen there we [laughter] and God have
[03:13:12] mercy on all of us